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Ascertaining Non-Function

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One of the main arguments to support evolution appeals to shared non-functional structures between organisms. Since design entails design for function, shared non-functional structures would suggest common ancestry in the absence of common design. But how can we tell whether something is truly non-functional? Here are some insights from a colleague that address this point:

As a programmer, sometimes I spend a lot of time designing error-detection and/or error-correction algorithms (especially for dealing with user input). Some of these functions may never, ever be used in a real-life situation. There are also various subroutines and functions that provide either exotic or minor capabilities that, likewise, maybe be used very seldom if at all. But they are there for a reason. Good programming practice requires considerable extra design and implementation of features that may only rarely, if ever, be used.

If someone were to cut out and eliminate these sections of code, repairing what’s left so that the program still functions, the program may work perfectly well for just about all situations. But there are some situations that, without the snipped code, would create havoc if the program tried to call on a function that was no longer there or that was replaced by some different function that tried to take its place. (Ask yourself what percent of the functionality of your spreadsheet or word processor program you use, and then ask if you would even notice if some of the lesser-known functionality were removed.)

I think biological life is like that. It seems to me that if some DNA code can be successfully removed with no apparent effects, one possibility is that the removed portion is rarely used, or the impact of it not being there has effects that are masked or otherwise hidden.

Perhaps redundancy is what was removed, meaning the organism will now not be quite as robust in all situations as before. I can give a kidney to someone else and suffer no ill effect whatsoever… until my remaining kidney fails and cannot be helped by the redundant one that I gave up (which situation may never, ever really occur due to my general good health).

P.S. Being able to snip something with no apparent ill effect may in fact provide support for ID by showing that the system was so well engineered that it could automatically adjust to a certain degree, and in most cases completely (apparently). It would be interesting to see some ID research into some of the evo cases that are being used to support the various flavors of junk DNA, to see what REALLY happens long term with the new variety now missing something snipped.

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Mr Mishap, There have been experiments like this, of course. Mice with a million bases of junk DNA knocked out.Nakashima
August 16, 2009
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I think that you are misunderstanding the post there Megan. The research being cited is evolutionary research based on fitness. The avenue for ID research is investigating functions for structures that evolutionists have ruled out because it can be snipped with no discernable affect on fitness.tragic mishap
August 16, 2009
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OP: "Being able to snip something with no apparent ill effect may in fact provide support for ID by showing that the system was so well engineered that it could automatically adjust to a certain degree, and in most cases completely (apparently)." This sounds like a good avenue for ID research; randomly remove an organ (or part thereof) -if the subject dies or suffers greatly, then said organ has no redundant capacity and is irreducibly complex (designed) if the subject lives or enjoys enhanced functionality then the organ shall be deemed to exhibit redundancy (also designed).MeganC
August 16, 2009
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Great post Dr. Dembski and this I believe is going to be an area of research where ID will excel. All that matters in evolutionary theory is fitness. ID will go beyond that. Perhaps in order to get published we might need to keep the words "intelligent design" out of the papers for now. ;)tragic mishap
August 16, 2009
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Being able to snip something with no apparent ill effect may in fact provide support for ID
Oh, those evolutionists, constantly bringing in just-so stories so they can claim that any and all data support their hypothesis!Lenoxus
August 16, 2009
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As a software developer, let me point out additional pheomena of non-function within intelligenty designed works. When I develop code, I incorporate a bunch of standard libraries. These libraries contains code that most programmers no longer use, sprintf(), for instance. Even when I am using relatively new code, I will create or purchase a code library that contains a bunch of functionality that a particular project does not use. Therefore shared, unused technology does not by any means prove common ancestry. Though it does not prove common ancestry, it does imply it. If presumed ancetral organisms have a functioning part, and their presumed progeny have non-functioning vestigial parts, this is certainly very consistant with common ancestry. However, Dr. Dembsky, when you say, "Since design entails design for function, shared non-functional structures would suggest common ancestry in the absence of common design" it must be emphasized that common ancestry hardly rules out ID.bFast
August 16, 2009
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http://www.livescience.com/health/090727-one-eye-vision.html Here is a person living just fine with only left side of her brain yet I doubt anyone would claim this proves the right side is "junk" or unimportant. This example shows how tough is it to determine how important each part of the DNA really is. Who know if some "junk DNA" was involved in rewiring this girl brain. It seems that scientist have learn more about our spleen as it plays a more important role than they first thought. Even though you can live without your spleen you better hold on to it as long as possible. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/science/04angier.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rssSmidlee
August 16, 2009
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Dr. Dembski qoutes an un-named colleague as writing " It would be interesting to see some ID research into some of the evo cases..." It would indeed be interesting to see some ID research of any sort, particularly if the term "intelligent design" appeared in the article, and if the article appeared in an actual science journal.PaulBurnett
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Let me put in my impression on how this might be interpreted in an ID framework- though I am just speculating- Perhaps the designer designed this junk DNA to serve a function in the past and it either degraded over time or modern environments don't correlate with what it was originally intended to do. So to analogise it to software you can have what seems like junk code but it is really just left over code from the original engine - and although it is not useful now accept to serve as support for the rest of the functional system- it was at one time very adequate and tailored to past environments. This could of course also be true for an evolutionary story line- which is why a very interesting problem for the controversy itself. That is, computer software done indeed evolve from the time it was originally being entered and sketched out to the finished product. The only questions really are is the junk really junk or does it confer advantage even it only in the past? And then as far as UCA is concerned does the past function of the junk coincide with human structure or a lesser creature? OF course there is very much the possibility that the junk might actually be serving hidden or unknown modern* purposes. Fascinating.Frost122585
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Bill this is an excellent post and question. I read about this at the end of Steve Meyer's new book. I think it is a fascinating subject that calls for more research and theroizing and shows how ID is very much a sceintific theory and project.Frost122585
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