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May 13, 2022

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U/D, May 15: How to contact UD and how to see weak argument corrections:

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F/N, May 14: It being now an obvious tactic to sidetrack non technical UD threads into ID debates (even where there is a thread that is live on the topic with relevant information, graphics and video) I will augment basic correction below by adding here a chart showing tRNA as a Drexler style molecular nanotech position-arm device:

We may expand our view of the Ribosome’s action:

The Ribosome, assembling a protein step by step based on the instructions in the mRNA “control tape”

As a comparison, here is punched paper tape used formerly to store digital information:

In Yockey’s communication system framework, we now can see the loading [blue dotted box] and how tRNA is involved in translation, as the AA chain towards protein formation is created, step by step — algorithm — under control of the mRNA chain of three base codons that match successive tRNA anticodons, the matching, of course is by key-lock fitting of G-C or C-G and A-T or T-A, a 4-state, prong height digital code:

Yockey’s analysis of protein synthesis as a code-based communication process

Further to this, DNA has been extended with other similar monomers, and DNA has been used as a general purpose information storage medium for digital codes, apparently even including for movie files.

The point of this is, for record, to expose and correct how hyperskeptical objectors have inappropriately tried to deny that D/RNA acts as a string based digital information storage unit, that it holds algorithmic code used in protein synthesis, and latterly that tRNA acts in this process in the role of a position-arm nanotech robot device with a CCA tool tip, CCA being a universal joint that attaches to the COOH end of an AA.

Speaking of which, AA structure, with side branches [R] and chaining links, i.e. NH2-alpha Carbon + R – COOH:

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Q quotes:'
You both get muddy and the pig likes it.
Right up until the time the pig gets gutted.ET_{May 15, 2022
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F/N: History of the yard https://www.sizes.com/units/yard.htm Compare, the toise, roughly, French version fathom, 6 french feet long: https://www.sizes.com/units/toise_local.htm --> See why the metre?kairosfocus_{May 15, 2022
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FH, yes, there are several dynamics at work. So, I will pause even as I mourn the sudden loss of a young lady I watched grow up, taken by Covid last night in the latest wave here. Okay . . . First, we can see a contrast of encyclopedias, which speaks loudly already, but opens the gateway to deeper analysis (bearing in mind the postulational summary of ID as theory I added to L & FP 55 just a day or two ago):
[NWE:] Intelligent design (ID) is the view that it is possible to infer from empirical evidence that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection" [1] Intelligent design cannot be inferred from complexity alone, since complex patterns often happen by chance. ID focuses on just those sorts of complex patterns that in human experience are produced by a mind that conceives and executes a plan. According to adherents, intelligent design can be detected in the natural laws and structure of the cosmos; it also can be detected in at least some features of living things . . . . ID also is not considered by its theorists to be an "argument from ignorance"; that is, intelligent design is not to be inferred simply on the basis that the cause of something is unknown (any more than a person accused of willful intent can be convicted without evidence). According to various adherents, ID does not claim that design must be optimal; something may be intelligently designed even if it is flawed (as are many objects made by humans). [Wiki:] Intelligent design (ID) is a pseudoscientific argument for the existence of God, presented by its proponents as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins".[1][2][3][4][5] Proponents claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[6] ID is a form of creationism that lacks empirical support and offers no testable or tenable hypotheses, and is therefore not science.[7][8][9] The leading proponents of ID are associated with the Discovery Institute, a Christian, politically conservative think tank based in the United States.
In fact, this site has a certain degree of significance regarding what ID is, and Wikipedia's malicious twisting and gaslighting towards slander and ideological agendas, turning on untruth, are plain. Save to those locked into what I have termed crooked yardstick thinking, complete with two crooked yardstick effects:
CYE 1: If one makes a crooked yardstick his standard for straight, accurate, upright then automatically, what is truly such cannot match crookedness and will be rejected and resisted by those under the spell of a crooked yardstick. (This can include dismissing a self evidently naturally straight and upright plumb line.) CYE 2: As there is but one way to be straight but there are infinitely many ways to be bent or twisted, those locked into one crooked yardstick standard will also be polarised from those who adhere to different brands of crookedness.
The predictable result is intractable conflict and despairing of the possibility of straightness, much less, of confident knowledge of what is straight. Eventually, those pointing to a plumb line will be seen as rude, condescending, arrogant, oppressive, fascists etc. Until, things crash. So, I draw attention:
The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds [–> key, evidence backed postulate, cf those of Newtonian dynamics and special then general relativity, thermodynamics and statistical thermodynamics, postulational cores can be brief but sweeping in impact] that [First, Evidence-backed Programmatic Postulate:] certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained [–> explicit reference to logic of abductive reasoning] by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. [2nd, Operational Postulate:] Intelligent Design is simply the science of design detection — how to recognize patterns arranged by an intelligent cause for a purpose. [3rd, Empirical Warrant/Point of test or potential falsification postulate:] An inference that certain biological information may be the product of an intelligent cause can be tested or evaluated in the same manner as scientists daily test for design in other sciences. [Evidence Corollary:] Positive evidence of design in living systems consists of the semantic, meaningful or functional nature of biological information, the lack of any known law that can explain the sequence of symbols that carry the “messages,” and statistical and experimental evidence that tends to rule out chance as a plausible explanation. Other evidence challenges the adequacy of natural or material causes to explain both the origin and diversity of life. [4th, Designs and Signs Postulate:] as we ourselves instantiate [thus exemplify as opposed to “exhaust”], intelligent designers act into the world, and create artifacts. When such agents act, there are certain characteristics that commonly appear, and that – per massive experience — reliably mark such artifacts. It it therefore a reasonable and useful scientific project to study such signs and identify how we may credibly reliably infer from empirical sign to the signified causal factor: purposefully directed contingency or intelligent design. [–> definition of design, note, abductive inference from observed sign to signified cause.]
These are actually taken from the WAC's, as is:
[Supplement, on evidence:] [a] FSCI — function-specifying complex information [e.g. blog posts in English text that take in more than 143 ASCII characters, and/or — as was highlighted by Yockey and Wickens by the mid-1980s — as a distinguishing marker of the macromolecules in the heart of cell-based life forms], or more broadly [b] CSI — complex, independently specified information [e.g. Mt Rushmore vs New Hampshire’s former Old Man of the mountain, or — as was highlighted by Orgel in 1973 — a distinguishing feature of the cell’s information-rich organized aperiodic macromolecules that are neither simply orderly like crystals nor random like chance-polymerized peptide chains], or [c] IC — multi-part functionality that relies on an irreducible core of mutually co-adapted, interacting components. [e.g. the hardware parts of a PC or more simply of a mousetrap; or – as was highlighted by Behe in the mid 1990’s — the bacterial flagellum and many other cell-based bodily features and functions.], or [d] “Oracular” active information – in some cases, e.g. many Genetic Algorithms, successful performance of a system traces to built-in information or organisation that guides algorithmicsearch processes and/or performance so that the system significantly outperforms random search. Such guidance may include oracles that, step by step, inform a search process that the iterations are “warmer/ colder” relative to a performance target zone. (A classic example is the Weasel phrase search program.) Also, [e] Complex, algorithmically active, coded information – the complex information used in systems and processes is symbolically coded in ways that are not preset by underlying physical or chemical forces, but by encoding and decoding dynamically inert but algorithmically active information that guides step by step execution sequences, i.e. algorithms. (For instance, in hard disk drives, the stored information in bits is coded based a conventional, symbolic assignment of the N/S poles, forces and fields involved, and is impressed and used algorithmically. The physics of forces and fields does not determine or control the bit-pattern of the information – or, the drive would be useless. Similarly, in DNA, the polymer chaining chemistry is effectively unrelated to the information stored in the sequence and reading frames of the A/ G/ C/ T side-groups. It is the coded genetic information in the successive three-letter D/RNA codons that is used by the cell’s molecular nano- machines in the step by step creation of proteins. Such DNA sets from observed living organisms starts at 100,000 – 500,000 four-state elements [200 k – 1 M bits], abundantly meriting the description: function- specifying, complex information, or FSCI.) [(f) evidence of the fine tuned cosmos.] . . . .
So, are you and others willing to accord minimal fairness to design thinkers, by recognising that they may have serious reasons for what they hold? Or will we continue to see the Dawkins slander: ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked? KFkairosfocus_{May 15, 2022
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Much of the recent back forth here would have been clarified had objectors been willing to read and take seriously the WAC;s but predictably that is not the way of selective hyperskepticism.
I think that is very optimistic.Fred Hickson_{May 15, 2022
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Kairosfocus @83, Thanks, I'll try this out shortly and see what happens. I think my futility needs a little more exercise. (smile). -QQuerius_{May 15, 2022
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Q, within the WAC page, there is actually a table of contents with in page links. Much of the recent back forth here would have been clarified had objectors been willing to read and take seriously the WAC;s but predictably that is not the way of selective hyperskepticism.As for Canaanites etc, there are other places with resources. KFkairosfocus_{May 15, 2022
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Kairosfocus @78, Thank you for adding the instructions for contacting WP. I also was reminded of the link to Frequently Raised But Weak Arguments Against Intelligent Design. It might be helpful if we could simply paste links to each one rather than wasting energy repeatedly writing our own versions. But what about the Canaanites? LOL -QQuerius_{May 15, 2022
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ET @77, Why would you think that any further correspondence with JHolo will produce anything worthwhile. Are you familiar with the old aphorism that goes like this:
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get muddy and the pig likes it.
Nuff said. -QQuerius_{May 15, 2022
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JVL @74, It just seemed to me that you've been harassing Kairosfocus for something not under his control. In my experience there are many online organizations that rarely respond to inquiries. Often they're simply not staffed to do so. More popular sites and services might simply be flooded with inquiries. Yes, it can be infuriating, but one shouldn't be quick to assume malice. I started using a cut-and-paste method, after a number of experiences where I spent a lot of time composing a reply only to be locked out and my message erased. One thing that worked for me on a couple of occasions is logging out of my account, closing my browser, and later logging back in. Not always though. Not having a Windows machine certainly reduces the number of possible sources of the problem, but the frequency that you're reporting this problem might mean that WF is triggered by your non-Windows browser or the document processing app you're using. Perhaps the text/character encoding might be involved: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10088473/why-are-there-different-encoding-types -QQuerius_{May 15, 2022
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Why does the recent comments list often not show most recent comments?
It's a glitch in this wordpress template. The only fix would be to wait for (and request) an update from the template-designer, or move the site to a new template.Silver Asiatic_{May 15, 2022
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I have added a chart showing how to contact UD. KFkairosfocus_{May 15, 2022
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JHolo:
ET’s and LCD’s comments are often little more than sound and fury, signifying nothing
And yours are little more than lies and ignorance. My fury is aimed at liars like yourself. So stop lying and spewing BS. You are just upset because I keep exposing you as a clueless loser.ET_{May 15, 2022
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And why is there a long delay between pressing "post comment" and the comment registering? I have to stop myself clicking twice and getting a duplicate-detected message.Fred Hickson_{May 15, 2022
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If anyone is interested in fixing some of this site's other glitches, Why does the recent comments list often not show most recent comments?Fred Hickson_{May 15, 2022
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Querius: There are many possible attacks that can be generated by infected computers including the infamous hidden backspace characters. Also, some malware is designed to be intermittent. I can see why the scanning process has been left without more detail, which would only help the creators of the malware evade the scans. I don't have any malware; I'm not using a Windows machine. If he doubts your honesty, then he should take it upon himself to contact WP directly to confirm the veracity of your statements. I don't doubt Kairosfocus's honesty, and I've said so. I want to speak with one of the site admins to find out what it is I'm doing that is causing the problem AS IS ADVISED by the people who created the WordPress plug-in, WordFence, that is locking me out. I have looked at WordFence's website to see what it does and what it is capable of doing. By this, I’m NOT suggesting that they’re intentional, although that’s not out of the realm of possibilities. Thank you very much for your trust. All I want to do now is speak with one of the site admins AS IS SUGGESTED BY THE MESSAGE I GET FROM WORDFENCE but no one will even tell me who I need to contact. Why will no one speak with me?JVL_{May 14, 2022
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Kairosfocus, I've been following your investigation of the comment lockout problem. WordFence indicates that it
• Checks your content safety by scanning file contents, posts and comments for dangerous URLs and suspicious content. • [Premium] Checks to see if your site or IP have been blacklisted for malicious activity, generating spam or other security issue.
There are many possible attacks that can be generated by infected computers including the infamous hidden backspace characters. Also, some malware is designed to be intermittent. I can see why the scanning process has been left without more detail, which would only help the creators of the malware evade the scans. I think your advice to "compose and clean up in Notepad etc then copy paste and post comment" is a good one. I also think JVL's continued complaints after your multiple assurances that you're most certainly NOT able to lock anyone out from specific posts is simply harassment at this point. If he doubts your honesty, then he should take it upon himself to contact WP directly to confirm the veracity of your statements. I think you've done more than enough at this point. JVL should also look into the possibility of threats originating from his own computer. By this, I'm NOT suggesting that they're intentional, although that's not out of the realm of possibilities. Thank you for your efforts and patience. -QQuerius_{May 14, 2022
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JVL, edit remains a live link for owner of a thread, apparently permanently. I saw a typo, tried to fix, but got caught. Further attempts just repeated the problem. I suspect, idle for some time and sudden pick up. KFkairosfocus_{May 14, 2022
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Querius: I appreciate it when you provide relevant additional information and insights in your recent posts. They’re as lights in a storm of troll-bot tales: full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
I couldn’t agree more. ET’s and LCD’s comments are often little more than sound and fury, signifying nothing. I was beginning to think that I was the only one who noticed this.JHolo_{May 14, 2022
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ET and Lieutenant Commander Data, I appreciate it when you provide relevant additional information and insights in your recent posts. They're as lights in a storm of troll-bot tales: full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Science must follow paths of evidence led by hypotheses. However, when speculations under the magical cloak of millions of years do not lead us to supporting evidence, then science ceases to be science and becomes simply science fiction. -QQuerius_{May 14, 2022
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JHolo:
In the same manner, and to the same degree, that mountain formation and much of cosmology are untestable.
Not really. Mountain formation is easily simulated. The alleged evolution of the flagellum via blind and mindless processes is not. Cosmology makes testable predictions. The only predictions borne from evolution by means of blind and mindless processes are genetic diseases and deformities. Intelligent Design is not anti-evolution. So please stop equivocating.ET_{May 14, 2022
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ET: JHolo 55- thank you for admitting that the claims of evolution by means of blind and mindless processes are untestable and therefore not scientific.
In the same manner, and to the same degree, that mountain formation and much of cosmology are untestable. That puts evolution in good company.JHolo_{May 14, 2022
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JHolo 55- thank you for admitting that the claims of evolution by means of blind and mindless processes are untestable and therefore not scientific.
No, my comment is that evolution has resources that are many orders of magnitude greater than all of the scientists ever to be born will have available to them.
How do you know? Without an origin of life there won't be any evolution. And your comment proved that evolution by means of blind and mindless processes is untestable trope.ET_{May 14, 2022
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chuckdarwin- what I said @ 40 is verifiable and a fact.ET_{May 14, 2022
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JVL is a clown.Lieutenant Commander Data_{May 14, 2022
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Kairosfocus: We can guess from your particular comment on what WF said to you. Why not write them if the general note is not enough: avoid key words, do not post too frequently etc. Write to WordFence? To ask them about how a particular client has configured their plug-in? Really? Clearly you can't tell me what, exactly, I'm doing wrong. Nor can you or will you tell me who at Uncommon Descent can answer my queries. Why not just say: I don't know and I'm not going to tell you who to contact. I would guess within a minute or two Is that an informed guess or just something you came up with? As thread owner EDIT was still open and I saw the typo. Nope, suspicious, then lockout. Wait . . . just a minute . . . I think you need to clarify this comment. You're saying YOU THINK the plug-in rapped your fingers because you left the edit window open too long? How long was that? Would the same rules apply to you (who have thread posting privileges) as to those of us who are allowed to comment only? WF and other security features will have automatic filters. It is likely, rapid repeat edits trigger, suspicious. Again, well intentions guesses aren't actual answers. Such a plague of spam is a good sign of inadequate security. This is a case where silence speaks. Might speak of restricted access because some unknown and unstated conditions are triggered. I don't know why it's so hard to find out what the security conditions for the site are and what we can do to avoid them. I would think it would benefit the site as well as the commenters.JVL_{May 14, 2022
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JHolo if A scientist had 400 trillion gallons of water, trillions of tons of other earth-like elements and chemicals, and a few hundred million years at his/her disposal, it might be possible to demonstrate that something like a flagellum, or something equally complex could develop.
:lol: Another one who admits that s/he is just a believer in a fairytale ,but he promises that fairytale is true ...just can be verified, but is true . :)Lieutenant Commander Data_{May 14, 2022
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JHolo I can’t help but feel that’s slightly dishonest or do you actually believe science as a whole operates under a wide reaching consensus?BobSinclair_{May 14, 2022
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BS: If you feel you need to label people or assign them to ‘camps’ by all means knock yourself out.
It is a trick I have learned from the ID proponents here at UD, who have mastered this tactic. :)JHolo_{May 14, 2022
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JHolo If you feel you need to label people or assign them to ‘camps’ by all means knock yourself out.BobSinclair_{May 14, 2022
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BS: And with no way to test suck claims we have simple meaningless rhetoric
So, I will put you down in the “plate tectonics are not responsible for mountain formation” camp.JHolo_{May 14, 2022
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