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Big Science: Questioning the lab leak theory of COVID-19 is “divisive”


Oh sure.

“Allegations that COVID escaped from a Chinese lab make it harder for nations to collaborate on ending the pandemic — and fuel online bullying, some scientists say”:

Calls to investigate Chinese laboratories have reached a fever pitch in the United States, as Republican leaders allege that the coronavirus causing the pandemic was leaked from one, and as some scientists argue that this ‘lab leak’ hypothesis requires a thorough, independent inquiry. But for many researchers, the tone of the growing demands is unsettling. They say the volatility of the debate could thwart efforts to study the virus’s origins.

Global-health researchers also warn that the growing demands are exacerbating tensions between the United States and China ahead of crucial meetings at which world leaders will make high-level decisions about how to curb the pandemic and prepare for future health emergencies.

Amy Maxmen, “Divisive COVID ‘lab leak’ debate prompts dire warnings from researchers” at Nature

Reality check: Millions of people have died in this debacle. That’s nothing new for the Chinese Communist Party. But it’s a bit of a kick in the head for the rest of us. If distinguishing between truth and lies is “divisive,” so be it. The Nature article is a shameful display.

Not only should the Wuhan lab be thoroughly investigated by a serious impartial body but any lab working at that level with viruses worldwide should likewise be investigated.

If we don’t think that just anyone with a cause should have nuclear warheads, we should also not think that just anybody who owns a lab coat should be working with deadly viruses.

Let’s hope the pressure increases. Yes, indeed, Big Brother, this is all doubleplusungood. Allthewaydown.

See also: The COVID-19 saga is getting people talking about bogus scientific consensus For some months there has been a bogus consensus that the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan was a crackpot conspiracy theory. Then the dam broke. People may understand the concept better now.

How Big Tech manufactured a science “consensus” against a lab leak of COVID-19. It’s one thing to trust Darwinblither, just to take an example, when nothing immediate is at stake. But if we agree that COVID-19 is a problem, let’s evaluate more carefully what we have been told on the Authority of Science. And take in the fact that Big Tech backed up the Authority of Science when it was obviously way off base.

Is Fauci a better pitcher than doctor? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvFDufpVkDI jerry
From an article in 2012.
Fauci once argued for risky viral experiments — even if they can lead to pandemic The nation’s chief medical advisor wrote in the American Society for Microbiology in October 2012 of the public health benefit to gain-of-function viral experiments — which center on manipulating viruses and making them stronger — as long as there is significant oversight.
What’s the over/under before Fauci resigns? https://nypost.com/2021/05/28/fauci-once-argued-viral-experiments-worth-the-risk-of-pandemic/ jerry
Few people understand how the virus kills. It essentially kills in two ways, 1) massively reproducing due to immune system weakness which leads to large numbers of virus particles after the immune system is finally able to kill it. This huge number of virus remnants send the immune system into overdrive and this is what ends up killing most people. This is called the cytokine storm. 2) part of the spike protein attaches to the ACE2 receptor nullifying its normal function which leads to breakages in the cell walls (endothelial cells) of the cardio vascular system that then releases clotting mechanisms which cause cardio vascular issues. Obviously simplified but based on several lectures at MedCram and the website at EVMS. (Eastern Virginia Medical School) So are the variants just virons with different spike proteins or are they from other parts of the virus genome? If the variants' spike proteins are not much different then the vaccines which are essentially the spike proteins, the vaccine should be able to generate the immune system to handle variants. Aside1: The above points to the obvious hypocrisy for criticizing HCQ as being ineffective which was mainly put forward as a virus killer. Most of the deaths took place after the virus was dead in a person and was due to the immune system over reacting to dead virus particles. HCQ would not be expected to be effective in such a scenario. This was another of Fauci's lies. Aside2: apparently there are a relatively high number but still very small number of young people getting cardio vascular problems after administration of the vaccine. Are they taking something that will attach to the ACE2 receptors after administration? jerry
Thanks. There is so much we don't about how this will all play out, but it's interesting to follow the various ideas and bits of data that come in. Viola Lee
VL, Thanks for your thoughts. I'm not trying to be antagonistic with this question (because I am that way a significant portion of the time). Just exploring the possibilities. I'm just thinking that the effective vaccine would be providing the theoretical Evolutionary Pressure to push new strains, but I think your points are valid also. Andrew asauber
That would be true if the vaccine was that targeted, although I think some evidence supports the hypothesis that the vaccines affects are general enough to target multiple variants. However it is true that natural selection would be at play here, and a variant that wasn't as affected as much by a vaccine would prosper. Another factor here is that the more people remain unvaccinated, the larger the pool of viruses is in which evolution of new variants can happen. Our best protection is to get as many people vaccinated as possible to reduce the number of people who are both providing a home for more evolution and being a source for infecting other people. Viola Lee
VL, Well, if the vaccine suppresses COVID strain A, then mutated variant B that it doesn't suppress could do better. Andrew asauber
Do you have a line of reasoning that would perhaps support that hypothesis? Viola Lee
I have a question: I am I right in thinking that an effective COVID-19 vaccine would promote rather than hinder COVID-19 variants? Thanks in advance for your input. I just started thinking about this yesterday, but hadn't seen any discussion about it in my normal circles. Andrew asauber
RDW, it dependeth not, on who votes but on who counts. Which is rapidly delegitimising civil government in the US. There is only a limited window to turn back from fatal disaffection. Regrettably, some manifestly imagine that breaking US hyperpower would be a good thing. Let us hope we don't have to learn by way of shipwreck, the sort of chaos that is checked by especially the US Navy, substituting for what the Royal Navy once did, post 1805. KF kairosfocus
If it wasn't for COVID, the hyper-strong economy would have reelected Trump in an unstealable landslide, and both houses of Congress too. That would have been quite unfavorable for China and for the domestic bureaucracy which indirectly provided some funding for research in Wuhan. Of course all this could just be a coincidence. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-admin-wuhan-lab-grant/ Ralph Dave Westfall
Quite literally Eastasia/Eurasia. No metaphor at all. China has always been at peacChina has always been at waChina has always been at peacChina has always been.... Science is what the Inner Party says RIGHT NOW, not one millisecond ago. Every web-connected app is constantly updated to forget (t-1). polistra

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