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What do Americans think matters in life?

Americans with high levels of household income and educational attainment are more likely to mention friendship, good health, stability and travel. A quarter of Americans who earn at least $75,000 a year mention their friends when asked to describe, in their own words, what makes life meaningful, compared with 14% of Americans who earn less than $30,000 each year. Similarly, 23% of higher-income U.S. adults mention being in good health, compared with 10% of lower-income Americans. And among those with a college degree, 11% mention travel and a sense of security as things that make their lives fulfilling, compared with 3% and 2%, respectively, who name these sources of meaning among those with a high school degree or less.

Many evangelicals find meaning in faith, while atheists often find it in activities and finances. Spirituality and religious faith are particularly meaningful for evangelical Protestants, 43% of whom mention religion-related topics in the open-ended question. Among members of the historically black Protestant tradition, 32% mention faith and spirituality, as do 18% of mainline Protestants and 16% of Catholics. Evangelical Protestants’ focus on religious faith also emerges in the closed-ended survey: 65% say it provides “a great deal” of meaning in their lives, compared with 36% for the full sample. At the other end of the spectrum, atheists are more likely than Christians to mention finances (37%), and activities and hobbies (32%), including travel (13%), as things that make their lives meaningful. Atheists tend to have relatively high levels of education and income, but these patterns hold even when controlling for socioeconomic status.

Politically conservative Americans are more likely than liberals to find meaning in religion, while liberals find more meaning in creativity and causes than do conservatives. Spirituality and faith are commonly mentioned by very conservative Americans as imbuing their lives with meaning and fulfillment; 38% cite it in response to the open-ended question, compared with just 8% of very liberal Americans – a difference that holds even when controlling for religious affiliation. By contrast, the closed-ended question finds that very liberal Americans are especially likely to derive “a great deal” of meaning from arts or crafts (34%) and social and political causes (30%), compared with rates of 20% and 12% among very conservative Americans. “Where Americans Find Meaning in Life” at Pew Forum

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See also: Skeptic asks, why do people who abandon religion embrace superstition? Belief in God is declining and belief in ghosts and witches is rising (keeping it real about what people really believe… )

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Ed George, IMHO, you are a democrat pretending to be a conservative. You can lie to others, and perhaps even to yourself, but I am not buying it. Especially since you precisely echoed leftist fake news talking points. CNN and MSNBC would have said exactly what you said.,, Conservative my foot! You could host Morning Joe for crying out loud. Pushing socialized medicine on top of all that! A quick note,,,
The Living Nightmare of Socialized Medicine https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-living-nightmare-of-socialized-medicine The Ugly Realities Of Socialized Medicine Are Not Going Away https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/12/19/the-ugly-realities-of-socialized-medicine-are-not-going-away-3/#2bdf69703f2f A Hard Lesson About Socialized Medicine https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/hard-lesson-about-socialized-medicine etc.. etc..
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BA77@28, if you think that it is leftist ideology to point out that the US spends more per capita on health care than all other OECD countries, with one of the worst health care outcomes, then you don’t know the difference between liberal and conservative. I view these facts as an affront to my conservative ideology. My conservative ideology is not so blind as to exclude the possibility of universal health care. A system that has been shown to provide the best health outcome at the lowest per capita cost. However, if you feel that it is better to pay more for your health care in return for: —> higher infant mortality rates, —> lower life expectancy, —> higher mortality rates amenable to treatment, —> higher disease burden, —> higher hospitalization rates for preventable diseases, —> higher rates of medical, medication and lab errors, —> higher mortality rates for respiratory disease, —> higher mortality rates for endocrine, nutritional and metabolic diseases. —> slower access to medical and nursing care, That is your choice. But don’t get me wrong, universal health care is not without its own serious challenges. Wait times for elective procedures are unacceptable. You may not get a private room in a hospital. But I will trade that for the fact that I will never lose my house over medical bills.
And if I recall correctly, you are not even an American.
Wrong again. I am sixth generation American. And proud of it.Ed George
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Ed George, you really need a history lesson:
The Inconvenient Truth About the Democratic Party https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_a7dQXilCo Did you know that the Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War, founded the KKK, and fought against every major civil rights act in U.S. history? Watch as Carol Swain, professor of political science at Vanderbilt University, shares the inconvenient history of the Democratic Party.
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Seversky, not only is meaning for your life illusory if Darwinian evolution is true, you yourself are a neuronal illusion of your brain. Moreover, "you" have no 'real' free will. Simply put, if God is not real then nothing else, including meaning for our lives, can be real for us. PERIOD! Moreover, this is more than just a philosophical argument. Advances in quantum mechanics, i.e. Leggett's Inequality, have falsified what has been termed "realism", which is the belief that reality exists 'out there' independent of conscious observation. As to the rest of your post, well like I did for Ed's hyperbole, I'll let readers decide for themselves who is being disingenuous and who is being forthright.bornagain77
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"Could you enlighten me on the leftist ideology I champion?" https://uncommondescent.com/off-topic/democracies-fail-without-adult-supervision/#comment-668627 https://uncommondescent.com/off-topic/democracies-fail-without-adult-supervision/#comment-668628 As to the rest of your exaggerated hyperbole, especially concerning Trump, I'll let readers decide for themselves who is parroting the over the top fake news talking points of the left.bornagain77
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EDTA@24, I cant argue with anything you have said. But my question is, who determines when a culture is headed in the wrong direction? I know that I am not qualified to make that judgment. Is it when we allow abortion? Same sex marriage? Legalize recreational cannabis? Repeal prohibition. Grant women the vote? Abolish slavery? I look at life as a grand experiment. My current ideology is basically conservative in many respects, including fiscal, but more liberal with respect to things like health care and sex. Society is replete with examples of failed experiments, but just as replete with examples of experiments that have stood the test of time. Does anyone really want to return to the times when indentured servants and the equivalent of the Indian caste system was the norm? Or to a time when women were not permitted to disagree with their husbands? Or a time when it was illegal for a black man to marry I white woman? Or a Jew to marry a Christian? Or to a time when child labour was acceptable? All of these changes were the result of people questioning and challenging their traditional (I.e., “conservative”) views. It is my opinion that it is important that we always be willing to fairly examine arguments against what we have always felt to be beyond questioning. Not being willing to do so will only lead to more division and, possibly, violent disagreement.Ed George
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Although atheists, in forsaking God, may try to invent illusory meaning, purpose and value for their lives, (as Dr. Craig has pointed out), the fact of the matter is that, without God and eternal life, their lives are completely meaningless
Why don't you or Dr Craig explain why the meaning God invents is any less illusory than those that human beings might invent?
The Absurdity of Life without God – William Lane Craig Excerpt: Meaning of Life First, the area of meaning. We saw that without God, life has no meaning.
No, we didn't. See above.
Without God, there can be no objective meaning in life. Sartre’s program is actually an exercise in self-delusion. Sartre is really saying, “Let’s pretend the universe has meaning.” And this is just fooling ourselves.
Craig still hasn't shown why God's meaning is objective. Craig says earlier that Sartre argued that someone may create a meaning for their own life which in Sartre's case was Marxism. The he attempts an unwarranted inference to Sartre actually claiming that the Universe has meaning. That looks like a straightforward misrepresentation.
The point is this: if God does not exist, then life is objectively meaningless; but man cannot live consistently and happily knowing that life is meaningless
Why not? If this life is the only one we will ever have then we might as well make the best of it while we have it since existence is mostly better than non-existence.
Moreover this denial, by atheists, of any objective meaning and purpose for life is reflected in their (mal)practice of science. In fact, the denial of meaning and purpose is, in fact, the primary reason why much of modern science is in such a mess.
If scientific mess gives us keyhole surgery, antimicrobial drugs, MRI scanners, ever more powerful computers, iPhones, materials light and stronger than steel from which to build aircraft, pesticide-resistant crops, images of Mars, space probes that image the outermost planets and beyond then I'll take it over any alternative that hasn't shown itself to be nearly as fruitful.
Again simply put, science is impossible without presupposing teleology, i.e. end directed purpose, on some deep fundamental level.
No, science must recognize that there is an ordered Universe to be observed and explained, that's all. There is a profound mystery about the ultimate origins of it all but there is no need to assume it was the product of some advanced alien intelligence. It's quite possible to do science without such a presupposition even though it offends Egnor's belief that (his) religion is fundamental.Seversky
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BA77
Moreover, I find it extremely hypocritical of you to claim to be a conservative and yet basically championing leftists ideology, a leftist supreme court, and even bashing Trump.
Could you enlighten me on the leftist ideology I champion? Could it be my opposition to abortion? By opposition to big government? My opposition to deficit budgets? My opposition to undermining the judicial branch of government? Are you seriously arguing that opposing Trump, a repeat adulterer, a repeat contract breaker, a repeat liar, a person who has raised the deficit to an all time high, a person who labels Mexicans as rapists and murderers, a person who condones the Saudi killing of a US reporter, a person who thinks Kim Jung Un is a good guy, is somehow anti-conservative? Sorry, but if being a conservative means that I have to overlook all of his reprehensible behaviour, then your idea of conservative and mine are incompatible.Ed George
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Less government is needed when people are more able to govern themselves, and do so in a uniform manner, which requires a relatively common moral standard they adhere to. Also, the higher the moral standard people are able to attain, the fewer laws and law enforcement that will be needed. Hence, no contradiction. The problem arises in a culture that is headed in the wrong direction, where conservatives find themselves surrounded by things they believe to be harmful (both to themselves and others), and where government's size has passed the tipping point where it can be controlled, etc.EDTA
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Ed George, "Is that how you normally deal with anyone who disagrees with you?" No, it is how I deal with trolls, as you are revealing yourself more and more to be.bornagain77
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“checks and balances” LOL,,, Yeah right. The left knows that they could never get their radical agenda through congress,,, that is why they have relied so heavily on 'legislation from the bench' (i.e. which is, again, an unconstitutional practice). And that is exactly why they falsely and vehemently accused Brett Kavanaugh, who is a 'constitutional originalist', of all manner of sexual crimes. The left did not want a 'constitutional originalist' on the supreme court precisely because they knew that they can no longer short circuit the legislative branch, with a leftist supreme court, to get their radical agenda through. Moreover, I find it extremely hypocritical of you to claim to be a conservative and yet basically championing leftists ideology, a leftist supreme court, and even bashing Trump. And if I recall correctly, you are not even an American.bornagain77
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No, I quoted you directly.
And misrepresented what I said.
My mother has passed away. If you keep up such insults about my mother and me I will ask to have you banned for trolling.
Is that how you normally deal with anyone who disagrees with you?Ed George
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Moreover, do you know that much of what you listed was enacted via judicial fiat of the left, not by legislative action?
Your “judicial fiat” is what the constitution calls “checks and balances”. There is nothing stopping the legislative branch from re-drafting legislation that doesn’t contradict the constitution. But, so far, they haven’t. I look forward to when they revoke Roe v Wade.Ed George
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No, I quoted you directly. My mother has passed away. If you keep up such insults about my mother and me I will ask to have you banned for trolling.bornagain77
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The lack of understanding is on you.
The fact that you have repeatedly misrepresented what I have said suggests otherwise. But if you insist that I spend time with you in your mother’s basement to disabuse myself of these conclusions, I must say that I am disinclined to acquiesce to your demands. :)Ed George
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The lack of understanding is on you. Not to mention inconsistency in logic. Moreover, do you know that much of what you listed was enacted via judicial fiat of the left, not by legislative action? i.e. Legislation from the bench, which I view to be unconstitutional. The rulings should have been kicked back down to the legislative branch, maybe even back down to the state legislatures, instead of the Justices deviating from the 'original intent' of the constitution to basically write brand new laws themselves.bornagain77
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So you want no laws?
How the H E double hockey sticks did you get that from what I said? All I said was that when we advocate for something that we have to address or accept the contradictions that are inherent in our views. Is that really so hard to understand?Ed George
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In 13 Ed George stated that,
For the record, I believe in God, oppose abortion, believe in minimal laws and small government, and am a fiscal conservative.
Funny, Ed G was defending European style socialism just the other day: https://uncommondescent.com/off-topic/democracies-fail-without-adult-supervision/#comment-668627bornagain77
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So you want no laws? ,,, Trump has certainly cut the massive over regulation of the left that was choking off the American economy,bornagain77
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The right to life is a ‘minimal law’.
So what? How does that impact on my observation that it is a deeply held religious belief that is supported by a political ideology that advocates for fewer laws? This involves a contradiction. I am comfortable with this contradiction but to pretend that it doesn’t exist is hypocritical.Ed George
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The right to life is a 'minimal law'.bornagain77
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BA77 and Andrew, you guys really should read for context and content. At no point did I say that I supported abortion, or opposed laws banning it. What I expressed was the contradiction I see between stated conservative goals of less government and fewer laws, and their propensity to advocate for laws that are based on deeply held religious beliefs. I used abortion as an example, but there are many others. For the record, I believe in God, oppose abortion, believe in minimal laws and small government, and am a fiscal conservative. If we can’t realize that there are some contradictions in our ideology, and either address them or accept them, then we are just deceiving ourselves. And, also for the record, liberal ideology also suffers from contradictions. Different but contradictions none-the-less.Ed George
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"the willingness to use laws to impose strongly held religious views on others" Dismembering/dissolving a someone in the womb is probably up there on the list of the worst forms of imposing one's view on someone. You can fight stupidity, but it's persistent. Andrewasauber
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Well Ed, so I take it that your answer is "no" to my invitation to you to join me in my basement? :) ,,, You are just disagreeing to be disagreeable, in one instance you stated that you,,
"find it more difficult to rationalize the conservative drive for smaller government, fewer laws and greater personal freedom with the willingness to use laws to impose strongly held religious views on others. Whether it be abortion,..."
And yet when pushed on the matter you stated,,,
where have I stated that I am not a pro-life advocate?
You are either in favor of laws protecting life are you are not. You cannot rail against the conservative's desire to have pro-life laws in one instance, and in the next instance say that you yourself are a pro-life advocate. I have better things to do than try to force you to be logically consistent in your position. Of note: I have a low tolerance for such argumentationbornagain77
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Ed George, if you don’t think that “pro-life is a strongly held religious belief...”
I have repeatedly stated that pro-life is a deeply held religious belief. I don't see what you are disagreeing with.
...that should be given the full protection of the law perhaps you would like to debate the details of the matter a little more personally in my basement so as to give me the chance to convince you that you yourself are a deeply ‘religious’ pro-life advocate?
Again, where have I stated that I am not a pro-life advocate?Ed George
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Ed George, if you don't think that "pro-life is a strongly held religious belief" that should be given the full protection of the law perhaps you would like to debate the details of the matter a little more personally in my basement so as to give me the chance to convince you that you yourself are a deeply 'religious' pro-life advocate? Far more so than you think.
Cruel Logic: (The Original Short Film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noP4it-QLBE
bornagain77
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EG
Has anyone suggested that there is not a strong link between pro-life and Christianity? Have I missed a claim that someone has made?
BA77 quoting EG
"...the willingness to use laws to impose strongly held religious views on others. Whether it be abortion,,,,”
This clearly claims that pro-life is a strongly held religious belief.
moreover, “greater personal freedom” and larger socialistic governments are mutually exclusive.
Again, who is advocating for larger socialistic governments? Certainly not me.Ed George
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"the willingness to use laws to impose strongly held religious views on others. Whether it be abortion,,,," Without the "minimal" right to life guaranteed, eventually all other rights and freedoms fall by the wayside. ,,, moreover, "greater personal freedom" and larger socialistic governments are mutually exclusive. etc.. etc... Since I know you love European socialism, and detest American conservatism,,
Why Socialism Is Still Awful Despite Its European Image Makeover - 2017 While conservatives have been busy repudiating outdated communist ideas, the American left has succeeded in selling a new fantasy: the democratic-socialist utopia. Excerpt: Owning a small business in Europe can also be incredibly challenging. When conducting research for my Radio Free Hillsdale mini-series, The Vienna Tapes, I spoke with an Austrian hair salon owner who told me that due to the taxes he pays, his business needs to be open for six months each year before he can even start to earn money from it.,,, “The situation looks good, but behind, it’s a swamp. More and more people don’t want to work, more and more people live on social care,” Schulak said. “The whole thing is a kind of fake scenery, because most of the people live on the cost of the minority who work and work and eventually have heart attacks.” http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/13/socialism-still-awful-despite-european-image-makeover/ Socialism’s Empty Seduction - Charles Calomiris - November 16, 2018 Excerpt: Calomiris: "Socialism has never conquered poverty. It has never competed with capitalism as a means of effectively allocating resources and promoting sustainable growth. Over the past half century, scores of economic historians have sought to explain the factors that produced the economic progress that Europe and some of its offshoots enjoyed in the 18th-20th centuries. This group of scholars, which includes Angus Maddison, Joel Mokyr, Eric Jones, David Landes, Deirdre McCloskey and Douglass North, tend to hold quite diverse political preferences, but they universally agree on the facts: Government policies that safeguard a combination of personal economic freedom, secure property rights, and the ability of individuals to gain personally by participating in markets have promoted the effort and innovation that conquered poverty and promoted growth through the ages." https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/charles-calomiris/socialisms-empty-seduction Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian Excerpt: "My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship." https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
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There is not really much one can say to someone who cannot see a link between being pro-life and being a Christian.
Has anyone suggested that there is not a strong link between pro-life and Christianity? Have I missed a claim that someone has made?Ed George
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There is not really much one can say to someone who cannot see a link between being pro-life and being a Christian.
,,, Of course the grisly reality that we live in a world of zombies is never more clear than with respect to the wanton destruction of the unborn. We live in a land where every year over 1.2 million moms, usually accompanied by husbands, boyfriends or fathers, murder their own unborn children. More than one out of four (28%) women in America aged 15-64 have killed their own babies. Among women 40-55, four out of ten American women (40%) have at least once intentionally killed their own baby. Because, however, it is done in secret, in the shady part of town, because we don’t talk about it, we miss what we are, even though God tells us in His Word. Because we willfully prefer to live in a make-believe world of sterile denial we do not believe what God has told us. We are haters of God, and lovers of death. That’s not poetry, but cold, sober-minded calculation. https://www.ligonier.org/blog/all-who-hate-me-love-death/
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