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Did Neanderthals sail to Crete?

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Location of Crete If not, why this?

On Crete, for example, tools such as quartz hand-axes, picks and cleavers are associated with deposits that may date to 170,000 years ago. Previously, this island, as well as Cyprus, was thought to have first been colonized about 9,000 years ago by late Neolithic agriculturalists with domesticated resources.

Excavations at an Akrotiri site on Cyprus have turned up ancient thumbnail scrapers and other tools dating to beyond 9,000 years ago. There is also a huge assembly of fossils for a dwarf pygmy hippopotamus, which might have been good eats for the earlier islanders. It’s possible they hunted the small, plump animal to extinction.

“Conventional wisdom used to be that none of these islands had too much settlement prior to the Neolithic because the islands were too impoverished to have supported permanent occupation,” Simmons said. “This likely is untrue. Hunters and gatherers can be pretty creative.”

See also: Neanderthal jewelry? (Who was it said Neanderthals didn’t do this kind of thing?)

And Online exhibit of Neanderthal culture (Researchers: Neanderthals believed in life after death. … food and tools buried with the corpse.)

See also: Neanderthal Man: The long-lost relative turns up again, this time with documents

A deep and abiding need for Neanderthals to be stupid. Why?

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The Science Fictions series at your fingertips (human evolution)

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8 Replies to “Did Neanderthals sail to Crete?

  1. 1
    Mung says:

    Did Neanderthals sail to Crete?

    Of course they did, and they settled there. Even Paul knew this!

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    Mapou says:

    Does this mean that all Neanderthals were cretins and liars?

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    Acartia_bogart says:

    “Neanderthals believed in life after death. … food and tools buried with the corpse.)”

    I buried my dad with a bottle of beer and a fishing rod. It was symbolic, but not because I believe in life after death.

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    Robert Byers says:

    Good point. sailing to crete in large or any numbers is no small matter.
    They wee in fact just regular people.

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    bornagain77 says:

    Acartia_bogart you state:

    I buried my dad with a bottle of beer and a fishing rod. It was symbolic, but not because I believe in life after death

    But why do you not believe in life after death? Do you not believe in life after death for empirical of for philosophical reasons. Empirically, the evidence for life after death is very robust:

    Dr. Jeffrey Long: Just how strong is the evidence for a afterlife? – video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mptGAc3XWPs

    Near death, explained? – Mario Beauregard – Apr 21, 2012
    Excerpt: The scientific NDE (Near Death Experience) studies performed over the past decades indicate that heightened mental functions can be experienced independently of the body at a time when brain activity is greatly impaired or seemingly absent (such as during cardiac arrest). Some of these studies demonstrate that blind people can have veridical perceptions during OBEs associated with an NDE. Other investigations show that NDEs often result in deep psychological and spiritual changes.
    These findings strongly challenge the mainstream neuroscientific view that mind and consciousness result solely from brain activity. As we have seen, such a view fails to account for how NDErs can experience—while their hearts are stopped—vivid and complex thoughts and acquire veridical information about objects or events remote from their bodies.
    NDE studies also suggest that after physical death, mind and consciousness may continue in a transcendent level of reality that normally is not accessible to our senses and awareness. Needless to say, this view is utterly incompatible with the belief of many materialists that the material world is the only reality.
    http://www.salon.com/2012/04/2.....socialflow

    In fact, the ‘observational’ evidence for a afterlife is far stronger than the observational evidence for neo-Darwinian evolution is. Millions of people have had near death experiences whereas no one has seen Darwinian evolution produce a single protein, molecular machine, a species, much less demonstrate the origin of life itself:

    Facts about NDEs – video clip on the site
    Excerpt: In 1982 a Gallup poll estimated that 8 million Americans have had a near-death experience and a more recent study, a US News & World Report in March of 1997, found that 15 million have had the experience.
    http://www.ndelight.org/index......;Itemid=63

    Near-Death Experiences: Putting a Darwinist’s Evidentiary Standards to the Test – Dr. Michael Egnor – October 15, 2012
    Excerpt: Indeed, about 20 percent of NDE’s are corroborated, which means that there are independent ways of checking about the veracity of the experience. The patients knew of things that they could not have known except by extraordinary perception — such as describing details of surgery that they watched while their heart was stopped, etc. Additionally, many NDE’s have a vividness and a sense of intense reality that one does not generally encounter in dreams or hallucinations.,,,
    The most “parsimonious” explanation — the simplest scientific explanation — is that the (Near Death) experience was real. Tens of millions of people have had such experiences. That is tens of millions of more times than we have observed the origin of species (or origin of life), which is never.,,,
    The materialist reaction, in short, is unscientific and close-minded. NDE’s show fellows like Coyne at their sneering unscientific irrational worst. Somebody finds a crushed fragment of a fossil and it’s earth-shaking evidence. Tens of million of people have life-changing spiritual experiences and it’s all a big yawn.
    Note: Dr. Egnor is professor and vice-chairman of neurosurgery at the State University of New York at Stony Brook.
    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....65301.html

    “A recent analysis of several hundred cases showed that 48% of near-death experiencers reported seeing their physical bodies from a different visual perspective. Many of them also reported witnessing events going on in the vicinity of their body, such as the attempts of medical personnel to resuscitate them (Kelly et al., 2007).”
    Kelly, E. W., Greyson, B., & Kelly, E. F. (2007). Unusual experiences near death and related phenomena. In E. F. Kelly, E. W. Kelly, A. Crabtree, A. Gauld, M. Grosso, & B. Greyson, Irreducible mind (pp. 367-421). Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield.

    Michaela’s Amazing NEAR death experience – video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTcHWz6UMZ8

    “It (my body) looked like pretty much what it was. As in void of life.”
    The NDE of Pam Reynolds – video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k

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    bornagain77 says:

    bogart, There simply is no empirical evidence that you can appeal to that will allow you to say, “AHA, there is only this temporal life and nothing more.”

    As an example of the philosophical bias driving the atheistic belief in no life after death, an atheistic researcher set up a a fairly clever test to try to prove that all these Near Death Experiences were merely illusory instead of real. What he found was, by far, not what he expected:

    Afterlife’ feels ‘even more real than real,’ researcher says – Wed April 10, 2013
    Excerpt: “If you use this questionnaire … if the memory is real, it’s richer, and if the memory is recent, it’s richer,” he said.
    The coma scientists weren’t expecting what the tests revealed.
    “To our surprise, NDEs were much richer than any imagined event or any real event of these coma survivors,” Laureys reported.
    The memories of these experiences beat all other memories, hands down, for their vivid sense of reality. “The difference was so vast,” he said with a sense of astonishment.
    Even if the patient had the experience a long time ago, its memory was as rich “as though it was yesterday,” Laureys said.
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/.....periences/

    A Doctor’s Near Death Experience Inspires a New Life – video
    Quote: “It’s not like a dream. It’s like the world we are living in is a dream and it’s kind of like waking up from that.”
    – Dr. Magrisso
    http://www.nbcchicago.com/on-a.....31791.html

    Moreover, recent findings of quantum mechanical principles in molecular biology support belief in life after death and do not support the materialistic belief of no life after death:

    Does Quantum Biology Support A Quantum Soul? – Stuart Hameroff – video (notes in description)
    http://vimeo.com/29895068

    Moreover, there is evidence from physics,,,, but save that for another time.

    Verse and Music:

    2 Corinthians 12:2-4
    I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven.
    And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth),
    how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

    Alison Krauss-Gillian Welch – I’ll Fly Away – music video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdRdqp4N3Jw

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    Both Crete and Cyprus may have been accessible by land when the Ice Ages lowered the sea level by 300 feet…

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    Robert Byers says:

    Robert Sheldon
    first this YEC would say the whole med sea was dry land after the flood. Then with a rush it was filled in a few centuries later. in fact catching creatures and fossilizing them by evidence on the islands.
    So other creatures were trapped on the isles and shrunk.
    its possible the sea lowered in the ‘ice age’ there and allowed creaturs and man to immigrate. however i doubt it as man was migrating already in those areas.
    The ice age was very short in YEC timelines also.

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