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Over at The New Atlantis Stephen L. Talbott has a great discussion of the vacuity of the idea of “fitness” as used in Darwinian theory. As we all know, Darwinian theory “predicts” that the “fittest” organisms will survive and leave more offspring. And what makes an organism “fit” under the theory? Why, the fact that it survived and left offspring. There is an obvious circularity here:

This is the long-running and much-debated claim that natural selection, as an explanation of the evolutionary origin of species, is tautological — it cannot be falsified because it attempts no real explanation. It tells us: the kinds of organisms that survive and reproduce are the kinds of organisms that survive and reproduce.

Darwinists counter the tautology charge by attempting to demonstrate that there are independent criteria (so-called “engineering criteria”) that explain reproductive success. For example, if a wolf runs faster, it will be more fit, and therefore the trait that gives the wolf the extra speed (longer legs perhaps) explains its fitness, not merely the fact that it did survive and reproduce.

However, the appeal to engineering criteria in the abstract does not by itself get us very far. As philosopher Ronald Brady reminded us when discussing this dispute in an essay entitled “Dogma and Doubt,” what matters for judging a proposed scientific explanation is not only the specification of non-tautological criteria for testing it, but also our ability to apply the test meaningfully. If we have no practical way to sum up and assess the fitness or adaptive value of the traits of an organism apart from measurements of survival rates (evolutionary success), then on what basis can we use the idea of survival of the fittest (natural selection) to explain evolutionary success — as opposed to using it merely as a blank check for freely inventing explanations of the sort commonly derided as “just-so stories.”

Here is the key sentence:

If we have no practical way to sum up and assess the fitness or adaptive value of the traits of an organism apart from measurements of survival rates . . .

What are you talking about Barry. Isn’t it obvious that a trait like the longer legs that help our wolf run faster will necessarily be beneficial in terms of fitness? Actually, no, it is not obvious. Ask any engineer and he will tell you there are always tradeoffs associated with engineering decisions. You want a faster car? Make it lighter. Is it a “better” car? Well, if by “better” you mean “faster,” of course it is. But if by “better” you mean “safer” maybe not, because a lighter car might not be as structurally sound as a heavier car. The same is true for engineering traits in animals. Talbott quotes two of the most famous Darwinists in history:

George Gaylord Simpson opined that ‘the fallibility of personal judgment as to the adaptive value of particular characters, most especially when these occur in animals quite unlike any now living, is notorious.” And in 1975, the geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky wrote that no biologist ‘can judge reliably which ‘characters’ are useful, neutral, or harmful in a given species.’

Talbott continues:

One evident reason for this pessimism is that we cannot isolate traits — or the mutations producing them — as if they were independent causal elements. Organism-environment relations present us with so much complexity, so many possible parameters to track, that, apart from obviously disabling cases, there is no way to pronounce on the significance of a mutation for an organism, let alone for a population or for the future of the species.

None other than the famous Richard Lewontin (he of the “divine foot in the door” quotation) has illustrated the point:

A zebra having longer leg bones that enable it to run faster than other zebras will leave more offspring only if escape from predators is really the problem to be solved, if a slightly greater speed will really decrease the chance of being taken and if longer leg bones do not interfere with some other limiting physiological process. Lions may prey chiefly on old or injured zebras likely in any case to die soon, and it is not even clear that it is speed that limits the ability of lions to catch zebras. Greater speed may cost the zebra something in feeding efficiency, and if food rather than predation is limiting, a net selective disadvantage might result from solving the wrong problem. Finally, a longer bone might break more easily, or require greater developmental resources and metabolic energy to produce and maintain, or change the efficiency of the contraction of the attached muscles.

In summary, because all engineering decisions involve tradeoffs, there is no way to tell whether a particular engineering trait, in isolation, caused an organism to be more fit. And this drives us back to where we started. The only way to measure “fitness” is by reproductive success, which is obviously tautological if “fitness” is defined as “reproductively successful.”

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tintinnid Are you going to respond the questions a few folks asked you in the thread pointed to by the following link? https://uncommondescent.com/evolution/tale-of-the-transmission/#comment-519640Dionisio
October 16, 2014
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How do you get design without a designer? Apparently by denying the design exists...Joe
October 16, 2014
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How do you get design without a designer? Darwin was obviously a mental midget. It is no surprise that we now have a latter mental midget (tintinid) arguing that there is no design. It's the new normal among the dirt worshippers. It's not even shocking anymore. PS. You're wasting your time, Joe, although I realize that you're just having fun with the moron.Mapou
October 16, 2014
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tintinnid:
Natural selection does not create design because there is no design.
Natural selection cannot account for the diversity of life regardless if you think there is no design. Strange that Darwin went through great pains to formulate a designer mimic to explain the design of living organisms. Why do you think he did that?Joe
October 16, 2014
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tintinnid, you have what? Darwin's whole point was that natural selection could produce the design observed in living organisms. So obviously you haven't read his book nor google the phrase I gave you. And how do you know that only god could produce a son of humans that has gills? Didn't you watch "Water World"? Natural selection is insignificant. It doesn't do anything beyond changing allele frequencies. It cannot get a eukaryote from populations of prokaryotes- that is a given.Joe
October 16, 2014
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Joe. I have. Natural selection does not create design because there is no design. What it does is limit (or delay) the direction in which changes can take place. If you have lungs, your son is not going to return to the use of gills. Only god can do that. Has he?tintinnid
October 16, 2014
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LoL!@ tintinnid- The whole purpose of natural selection was to provide a mechanism for design without a designer. Perhaps you should read "On the Origins of Species by Means of Natural Selection". Heck just google "natural selection design without a designer". BTW natural selection can't account for vertebrates nor mammals.Joe
October 16, 2014
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"Natural selection is not a mechanism of design." Nobody has said otherwise. It simply allows some phenotypes to out survive others. But in doing so, it locks some lineages into a basic morphology that is very difficult to break out of. There are very few vertebrates that do not have four limbs. Mammals are stuck with lungs (at least for the foreseeable future). It doesn't mean that these won't change, just that the road would be longer.tintinnid
October 16, 2014
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The Harlem Globetrotters are more fit than their opponents because they always win. And we can measure this fitness and use it to scientifically predict that the Harlem Globetrotters will never lose. Therefore, fitness is a scientific concept and not tautological. It follows, of course, that "natural selection" is scientific and not tautological.Mung
October 16, 2014
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REC:
In physics, massless particles aren’t imaginary (photons, and neutrinos (almost). I wouldn’t consider them magic. And indeed, if I miss, no force is imparted on the object.
So?Mung
October 10, 2014
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Natural selection may not be a tautology (debatable) but it is definitely useless as it doesn't do anything beyond eliminating the few who couldn't cut it. It does not make organisms better adapted. Natural selection is not a mechanism of design. It cannot bring about the appearance of design. Natural selection is just one way of changing allele frequencies within a population. And it isn't the most prevalent way at doing that rather simple task.Joe
October 10, 2014
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Darwinism offers emotionally appealing slogans and stories to the materialist/atheist/naturalist, nothing more. None of that has anything to do with conducting science.William J Murray
October 10, 2014
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WD @ 7
Neil makes a good point If “survival of the fittest” were merely descriptive, you might have a point. But it is methodological. It tells biologists what to study. It gives meaning to “fitness”.
WD @ 22:
Well, it’s staggering to me that anyone could spend years arguing about evolution and end up thinking “Survival of the fittest” was a central idea in “Darwinism”, rather than a slightly silly slogan.
So when Neil uses the phrase "survival of the fittest" he makes a good point, because the phrase gives meaning to fitness. But when Barry uses the phrase, it is just a silly slogan. Pathetic.Barry Arrington
October 9, 2014
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"If you hit a (massless) baseball with what? An imaginary (massless) bat? What if you miss? They magically have no mass?" Are you arguing against classic physics, in support of your parody of Barry? Well Played! But maybe you could firm this up a bit. In physics, massless particles aren't imaginary (photons, and neutrinos (almost). I wouldn't consider them magic. And indeed, if I miss, no force is imparted on the object. Also, a massless bat would impart ~0 force on the ball.REC
October 9, 2014
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REC:
If I hit a baseball (force) it accelerates. No?
If you hit a (massless) baseball with what? An imaginary (massless) bat? What if you miss? They magically have no mass?Mung
October 9, 2014
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"But that leads us to the logical absurdity that force causes acceleration and that acceleration causes force" Lol. Absurdity? If I hit a baseball (force) it accelerates. No? In you car, when you accelerate, don't you feel a force pushing you back into your seat? You've brilliantly undermined and parodied Barry's original post (I suspect without meaning to, but beware the ban hammer...the court jester here, may strike a nerve). Of course, any discussion could easily parody the OP. Why MUST scientists use "general relativity" as shorthand, instead of the parameters they explicitly measure? And for goodness sakes, how can spacetime tell matter how to move while matter tells spacetime how to curve. What a silly tautology these definitions make!REC
October 9, 2014
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wd400:
Neil makes a good point If “survival of the fittest” were merely descriptive, you might have a point. But it is methodological. It tells biologists what to study. It gives meaning to “fitness”.
How does "survival of the fittest" give meaning to "fitness"? wd400:
Neil makes a good point To which I’d add the importnat thing to grasp is that evolutionary biolgists are interested in variance in fitness, and the degree with which that variance is down to variance in heritable traits.
To speak of "variance in fitness" is to presumably say something meaningful about fitness. Given that you agree with Neil, the meaning of fitness is based upon "survival of the fittest." The question of the vacuity of fitness has not been resolved.Mung
October 9, 2014
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Force causes acceleration. How do we measure force? By measuring acceleration. Does it follow that Newton’s laws are vacuous?
Does Neil only manage to find time to post moronic statements at UD, but none to defend them. If F=ma is true, then it is also true that ma=F. Using Neil's logic, acceleration causes force, or maybe it's mass that causes force, or perhaps force causes mass. We'll just forget all about the role of mass in all this, thank you very much. But that leads us to the logical absurdity that force causes acceleration and that acceleration causes force (and that mass is irrelevant). Perhaps mathematicians ought to avoid Newtonian physics.Mung
October 9, 2014
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I remember reading once that fitness/adaptation/non-randomness confers only about a 3% advantage, and that luck plays a much larger role. Like when one of my classmates in Junior High put a shrimpy little male lab mouse in the female cage by mistake. We discovered the mistake the next morning, but almost all the females later turned out to be pregnant. -QQuerius
October 9, 2014
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It therefore seems to me absurd to argue that the theory is tautological, though I readily admit that it is often formulated tautologically. - Maynard Smith, J. On Evolution
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October 9, 2014
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Joe @41: There is an important nuance here. We need to keep in mind that "leaving more offspring" is not the criterion. Having more offspring is relevant only if those offspring happen to survive their early life and happen to get to reproductive age and happen to actually reproduce. So it is not leaving more offspring itself, but "reproductive success" in the sense of growing the population over time that matters. And what causes the population to have this reproductive success? Initial reproduction, to be sure, but also whatever traits happen to aid that particular organism at that particular time in the environment it happens to be in with the predators that happen to be on the scene, and if it happens to avoid disease, floods, fires, hurricanes, droughts, freezing weather, and all the various vagaries and hazards of nature that happen to come along -- in other words if the organism happens to survive. Again, as I mentioned @43, in those extremely rare cases when we know what actually caused the differential survival, we can point to the actual cause without ever invoking a label of "natural selection" to help explain the process. And in those cases in which we don't know what actually caused the differential survival, attaching a label of "natural selection" does not help us get any closer to an explanation. Indeed, more often than not it obscures. This is the key: The label "natural selection" can operate properly in the English language as a shorthand convenience term to describe the various random processes and vagaries and hazards of nature that, somehow, resulted in the differential survival of a particular population of organisms. In contrast, when the term is put forward as an explanation for that survival, our internal logic alarm should ring loudly and, if we look closely, we will nearly always see that the so-called explanation of natural selection is operating as a tautology, incorporating as its premise the very conclusion it is trying to reach.Eric Anderson
October 9, 2014
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wd400 @34:
I’m saying the non-random survival . . .
No. It is pretty much randomness all the way down. How did the particular particle interact with the copying mechanism to cause a mutation? How did that particular mutation end up interacting in the organism to produce an effect? What result did that have in that particular organism, as opposed to another? How did that particular mutation get spread in the population? What environmental factor happened to come along after the mutation that resulted in it making a difference? Which organism happened to be on a high rock when the flood came, or under protection when the hail fell, or hidden from sight when the predator arrived? And on and on. Everything that goes on within a lineage to get an organism to where it is today; everything that went on in the predator's lineage to get them where they are today; all the vagaries and hazards of nature. It is essentially randomness all the way down. Natural selection is not any kind of force. It is simply an after the fact label attached to the results of processes that are seldom understood, rarely identified, and that (as a practical matter) are essentially random. Natural selection doesn't impart any "non-random" directionality to evolution. It is simply a label attached to the outcome, and attaching a label to the result of what is essentially a random process does not make the process non-random.
It’s not simply that survivors survive, but those individuals that are best adapted to their environment survive, and so over time lineages become better adapted.
And how, pray tell, do we know that a particular organism was "best adapted to its environment"? Because it survived. Look, if someone wants to use the two words "natural selection" as a shorthand way to avoid having to say: "Organisms are more likely to survive if they happen to be in a lineage that happens to have conferred a (generally unidentified) mutation that (in some typically unknown way) happened to provide a characteristic that happened to be helpful in the particular environment in which they happened to be living at the time, as compared to other organisms that were less lucky." -- If someone wants to use "natural selection" as a shorthand expression so that they don't have to say all that, then fine. The problem arises, as it does so frequently, when natural selection is put forward as an explanation for an organism's survival. In that case it almost always falls back on survivability as the (often unspoken) definition. In that case it is a useless tautology. Worse, it gives people the false impression that some kind of "scientific" explanation has been proffered, when it is really just a confession of ignorance about the real underlying processes. Think of it this way: If we can identify, with particularity, what actually caused an organism to survive -- the specific trait, particular molecular machines, identifiable proteins and DNA sequences, the particular environmental factors, predation, weather, flood, drought, and so on -- if we can identify precisely what caused the "differential survival" in the population, then we can talk about the real, physical, concrete, underlying, specific cause just fine, thank you very much, without ever invoking the label of "natural selection". It is only when we don't know what the actual forces and causes were at work that "natural selection" need be invoked. Unfortunately, in that case, it functions as little more than an observation that those that survived, survived.Eric Anderson
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Joe, I think you give the theory too much credit. A faster wolf is only useful if that is the trait it has. If a shrub is not fast, apparently that is equally useful. There is no more useful or less useful. If it is useful for a fish at the bottom of the ocean to be blind, then this is what is useful, blindness. There is no other criteria for stating what is useful.phoodoo
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Barry:
The only way to measure “fitness” is by reproductive success, which is obviously tautological if “fitness” is defined as “reproductively successful.”
To be fair it is said that it is NOT tautological because those who leave more offspring tend to have a trait or traits that allowed them to do so. And it is due to that trait or traits that reproductive success would then be based on. However no one can say what that trait or traits are. It is all after-the-fact assessment A faster wolf is useless if it is weak, or has poor eyesight or poor hearing, etc.Joe
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wd400, You just reiterated that it is "It’s not simply that survivors survive, but those individuals that are best adapted to their environment survive." Those are your exact words, not mine. So what does best adapted mean? Does it not mean those that survive? If that is not the criteria, what is? I think you are confused if you are saying that Barry thinks it is a problem for evolutionary theory that its hard to predict which which variants will be fit. The problem is that the definition of being most fit is survival! Hence, Survival of the Fittest!! Do you think it was creationists who made up the term? Pray tell, what else could "best adapted" (your words) mean, if it doesn't mean those that survive?phoodoo
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wd400:
Here’s Doug Futyma, literally the textbook orthodox Darwinian, pointing out some of the problems with the term:
When it comes to natural selection, Doug Futuyma lies.Joe
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Neil Rickert:
If “survival of the fittest” were merely descriptive, you might have a point. But it is methodological. It tells biologists what to study. It gives meaning to “fitness”.
What a load of crap. What is this alleged "methodology"? Neil never says. Look, whatever is good enough survives. And fitness wrt biology is still an after-the-fact assessment.Joe
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wd400:
I’m saying the non-random survival of heritable variants makes populations adapt to their environment.
That's the propaganda anyway.
It’s not simply that survivors survive, but those individuals that are best adapted to their environment survive, and so over time lineages become better adapted.
It is whatever doesn't die and that can be any of a number of traits. It is NOT whatever is best adapted. It is whatever is good enough. Biological fitness is an after-the-fact assessment.
If there is a central idea in Darwinism it is not “Survival of the fittest”, it’s non-random reproductive success of hertible variants.
It is non-random in a meaningless way. Non-random in this sense just means not every individual has the same probability of being eliminated.Joe
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As to
"all engineering decisions involve tradeoffs"
The fact that engineering decisions involve 'tradeoffs' is admitted here:
“This is the issue I have with neo-Darwinists: They teach that what is generating novelty is the accumulation of random mutations in DNA, in a direction set by natural selection. If you want bigger eggs, you keep selecting the hens that are laying the biggest eggs, and you get bigger and bigger eggs. But you also get hens with defective feathers and wobbly legs. Natural selection eliminates and maybe maintains, but it doesn’t create…. (Quoted in “Discover Interview: Lynn Margulis Says She’s Not Controversial, She’s Right,” Discover Magazine, p. 68 (April, 2011).) GMO Bulls Now A Reality - January 11, 2014 Excerpt: "Due to genetic selection and experiments, the Belgian Blue is a humongous species of Bull, packed with muscles and meat. ...There is a gene that regulates the growth of muscles in cattle, These cows have been selectively bred from animals that contain a copy of this gene that doesn't work, as a result their muscles grow far larger than normal [They have a deletion mutation that prevents control of muscular growth = loss of genetic material]. ..Their uninhibited muscle growth presents a lot of health hazards, calves can develop enlarged tongues and stiff legs which make it difficult for them to eat and move, leading to an early and painful death." http://naturalhealthwarriors.com/gmo-bulls-now-a-reality/ "The real number of variations is lesser than expected,,. There are no blue-eyed Drosophila, no viviparous birds or turtles, no hexapod mammals, etc. Such observations provoke non-Darwinian evolutionary concepts. Darwin tried rather unsuccessfully to solve the problem of the contradictions between his model of random variability and the existence of constraints. He tried to hide this complication citing abundant facts on other phenomena. The authors of the modern versions of Darwinism followed this strategy, allowing the question to persist. ...However, he was forced to admit some cases where creating anything humans may wish for was impossible. For example, when the English farmers decided to get cows with thick hams, they soon abandoned this attempt since they perished too frequently during delivery. Evidently such cases provoked an idea on the limitations to variability... [ If you have the time, read all of the paper, which concludes] The problem of the constraints on variation was not solved neither within the framework of the proper Darwin’s theory, nor within the framework of modern Darwinism." (IGOR POPOV, THE PROBLEM OF CONSTRAINTS ON VARIATION, FROM DARWIN TO THE PRESENT, 2009, http://www.ludusvitalis.org/textos/32/32-11_popov.pdf
The problem of 'engineering tradeoffs' is more clearly illustrated here:
K´necting The Dots: Modeling Functional Integration In Biological Systems - June 11, 2010 Excerpt: “If an engineer modifies the length of the piston rods in an internal combustion engine, but does not modify the crankshaft accordingly, the engine won’t start. Similarly, processes of development are so tightly integrated temporally and spatially that one change early in development will require a host of other coordinated changes in separate but functionally interrelated developmental processes downstream” (1) https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/k%C2%B4necting-the-dots-modeling-functional-integration-in-biological-systems/
In the preceding article, although he compared life to an internal combustion engine to get his point across, the problem of constraints due to 'engineering tradeoffs' is actually, due to the unfathomed integrated complexity being dealt with in life, orders of magnitude worse in life than it is in man-made machines, especially during embryological development:
HOW BIOLOGISTS LOST SIGHT OF THE MEANING OF LIFE — AND ARE NOW STARING IT IN THE FACE - Stephen L. Talbott - May 2012 Excerpt: “If you think air traffic controllers have a tough job guiding planes into major airports or across a crowded continental airspace, consider the challenge facing a human cell trying to position its proteins”. A given cell, he notes, may make more than 10,000 different proteins, and typically contains more than a billion protein molecules at any one time. “Somehow a cell must get all its proteins to their correct destinations — and equally important, keep these molecules out of the wrong places”. And further: “It’s almost as if every mRNA [an intermediate between a gene and a corresponding protein] coming out of the nucleus knows where it’s going” (Travis 2011),,, Further, the billion protein molecules in a cell are virtually all capable of interacting with each other to one degree or another; they are subject to getting misfolded or “all balled up with one another”; they are critically modified through the attachment or detachment of molecular subunits, often in rapid order and with immediate implications for changing function; they can wind up inside large-capacity “transport vehicles” headed in any number of directions; they can be sidetracked by diverse processes of degradation and recycling... and so on without end. Yet the coherence of the whole is maintained. The question is indeed, then, “How does the organism meaningfully dispose of all its molecules, getting them to the right places and into the right interactions?” The same sort of question can be asked of cells, for example in the growing embryo, where literal streams of cells are flowing to their appointed places, differentiating themselves into different types as they go, and adjusting themselves to all sorts of unpredictable perturbations — even to the degree of responding appropriately when a lab technician excises a clump of them from one location in a young embryo and puts them in another, where they may proceed to adapt themselves in an entirely different and proper way to the new environment. It is hard to quibble with the immediate impression that form (which is more idea-like than thing-like) is primary, and the material particulars subsidiary. Two systems biologists, one from the Max Delbrück Center for Molecular Medicine in Germany and one from Harvard Medical School, frame one part of the problem this way: "The human body is formed by trillions of individual cells. These cells work together with remarkable precision, first forming an adult organism out of a single fertilized egg, and then keeping the organism alive and functional for decades. To achieve this precision, one would assume that each individual cell reacts in a reliable, reproducible way to a given input, faithfully executing the required task. However, a growing number of studies investigating cellular processes on the level of single cells revealed large heterogeneity even among genetically identical cells of the same cell type. (Loewer and Lahav 2011)",,, And then we hear that all this meaningful activity is, somehow, meaningless or a product of meaninglessness. This, I believe, is the real issue troubling the majority of the American populace when they are asked about their belief in evolution. They see one thing and then are told, more or less directly, that they are really seeing its denial. Yet no one has ever explained to them how you get meaning from meaninglessness — a difficult enough task once you realize that we cannot articulate any knowledge of the world at all except in the language of meaning.,,, http://www.netfuture.org/2012/May1012_184.html#2 Stephen Meyer - Responding to Critics: Marshall, Part 2 (developmental Gene Regulatory Networks) - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg8Mhn2EKvQ A Listener's Guide to the Meyer-Marshall Debate: Focus on the Origin of Information Question -Casey Luskin - December 4, 2013 Excerpt: "There is always an observable consequence if a dGRN (developmental gene regulatory network) subcircuit is interrupted. Since these consequences are always catastrophically bad, flexibility is minimal, and since the subcircuits are all interconnected, the whole network partakes of the quality that there is only one way for things to work. And indeed the embryos of each species develop in only one way." - Eric Davidson http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/12/a_listeners_gui079811.html Darwin or Design? - Paul Nelson at Saddleback Church - Nov. 2012 - ontogenetic depth (excellent update) - video Text from one of the Saddleback slides: 1. Animal body plans are built in each generation by a stepwise process, from the fertilized egg to the many cells of the adult. The earliest stages in this process determine what follows. 2. Thus, to change -- that is, to evolve -- any body plan, mutations expressed early in development must occur, be viable, and be stably transmitted to offspring. 3. But such early-acting mutations of global effect are those least likely to be tolerated by the embryo. Losses of structures are the only exception to this otherwise universal generalization about animal development and evolution. Many species will tolerate phenotypic losses if their local (environmental) circumstances are favorable. Hence island or cave fauna often lose (for instance) wings or eyes. http://www.saddleback.com/mc/m/7ece8/
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"Complexity Brake" Defies Evolution - August 8, 2012 Excerpt: "(living) systems are characterized by large numbers of highly heterogeneous components, be they genes, proteins, or cells. These components interact causally in myriad ways across a very large spectrum of space-time, from nanometers to meters and from microseconds to years. A complete understanding of these systems demands that a large fraction of these interactions be experimentally or computationally probed. This is very difficult.,," "This is bad news. Consider a neuronal synapse -- the presynaptic terminal has an estimated 1000 distinct proteins. Fully analyzing their possible interactions would take about 2000 years. Or consider the task of fully characterizing the visual cortex of the mouse -- about 2 million neurons. Under the extreme assumption that the neurons in these systems can all interact with each other, analyzing the various combinations will take about 10 million years..., even though it is assumed that the underlying technology speeds up by an order of magnitude each year." Even with shortcuts like averaging, "any possible technological advance is overwhelmed by the relentless growth of interactions among all components of the system," Koch said. "It is not feasible to understand evolved organisms by exhaustively cataloging all interactions in a comprehensive, bottom-up manner." He described the concept of the Complexity Brake,,, Why can't we use the same principles that describe technological systems? Koch explained that in an airplane or computer, the parts are "purposefully built in such a manner to limit the interactions among the parts to a small number." The limited interactome of human-designed systems avoids the complexity brake. "None of this is true for nervous systems." http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/08/complexity_brak062961.html
Verse and Music:
Psalm 139:15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Phillips, Craig & Dean - Great I Am (Lyrics) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_VR-zwp2KA
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WD400 So what about survival of the sickest? http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-murder-and-the-meaning-life/201208/survival-the-sickest They have not adapted best to their environment yet they survived and had offspring!Andre
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