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Eric Holloway: Why engineering can’t be reduced to the laws of physics

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When we reduce the engineer’s mind to a computer, the source of innovation disappears:

The fundamental problem of modern science is the problem of innovation. Where does novelty come from? This problem shows up in physics, biology, artificial intelligence, and economics…

The source of this information puzzles the respective fields. The puzzle is due to the fact that, while each field can describe the target precisely, using its axioms, none of the fields can describe how the target came to be hit…

The one area where we do not encounter this mystery is engineering. In engineering, the cause of purposeful arrangements of parts is well known. This cause is engineering innovation. Engineers create the technical inventions that run our economy. However, once we get into the engineer’s mind, the mystery reemerges.

Eric Holloway, “Why engineering can’t be reduced to the laws of physics” at Mind Matters News

He argues that the problem how to account for innovation cannot be solved by anything built upon the laws of physics.

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Truthfreedom: Your retarded opinion means nothing. Then why are you responding? What is wron with ’embarrassment’? Why should it be ‘avoided’? Your life, your call. If I thought I were another ‘gender’, you would lick my a**. You should really stop now. JVL the hypocrite. The coward SJW. Time for you to call it a day. Or night. Or whatever. Is ‘lying down’ ‘objective’? You really should stop now. DLM Drunkard Lives Matter JVL the coward SJW is a ‘drunkard-phobe’. You know what? I've got much better and more important things to do than to give you more cause to embarrass yourself online. Keep ranting by all means if you wish but I shan't be responding again for quite a while.JVL
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DLM Drunkard Lives Matter JVL the coward SJW is a 'drunkard-phobe'.Truthfreedom
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Is 'lying down' 'objective'?Truthfreedom
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Lololol. Your retarded opinion means nothing. What is wrong with 'embarrassment'? Why should it be 'avoided'? If I thought I were another 'gender', you would lick my a**. JVL the hypocrite. The coward SJW.Truthfreedom
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Truthfreedom: Drunkard Lives Matter. Go lie down, watch a movie.JVL
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#Safespace. Drunkard Lives Matter.Truthfreedom
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Truthfreedom: Are you a drunkard-‘phobe’? Not at all. I just don't really want you to embarrass yourself. As long as I am ‘happy’… Who cares? Who are you to ‘judge’? Don't worry, be happy. But consider stopping embarrassing yourself. What is ‘wrong’ with being ’embarrassed’? It's your call. You're a grown up.JVL
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As long as I am 'happy'... Who cares? Who are you to 'judge'?Truthfreedom
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JVL Are you a drunkard-'phobe'?Truthfreedom
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Truthfreedom: JVL, you are retarded. Sorry, but you ARE. I'll tell my physician and my family. You can not ‘ignore’ someone while you talk to that person. I did ignore a lot of your weird posts. What is objectively wrong with ‘drunkenness’? Who set that standard? And why? I didn't say there was anything 'wrong' with it. But it can make you incoherent. What if I ‘perceive’ me as ‘not drunk’? Who are you to ‘judge’? Are you a ‘bigot’? I just think you're not really at the top of your game. I think you are embarrassing yourself. It's your call.JVL
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What if I 'perceive' me as 'not drunk'? Who are you to 'judge'? Are you a 'bigot'?Truthfreedom
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ET: Being abusive to abusive losers. Get your facts straight or shut up. Like I said: being abusive. And, please explain, why did that get you banned? JVL thinks that lying, equivocating and bluffing are all OK. That is a definition of a loser. You really are flailing about a lot today. Are you feeling okay? You haven't caught COVID-19 have you?JVL
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JVL, you are retarded. Sorry, but you ARE. You can not 'ignore' someone while you talk to that person. What is objectively wrong with 'drunkenness'? Who set that standard? And why?Truthfreedom
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LoL! @ JVL:
But, you got banned for being abusive.
Being abusive to abusive losers. Get your facts straight or shut up. JVL thinks that lying, equivocating and bluffing are all OK. That is a definition of a loser.ET
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Truthfreedom: I am ignoring you for a reason. You sound like you are stoned or drunk; clearly not really at your best.JVL
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Lol. As if 'getting banned' were something objectively 'bad'. Lolololol! 'Only atoms and the void exist' (and the mental weakness of 'materialism', of course).Truthfreedom
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ET: Wow. You are the serial offender, JVL. You lie, equivocate and bluff. That is the truth of you. And yes, I have exposed many liars, equivocators and bluffers. I am proud of that. And I am sure you are proud of your lying, equivocating and bluffing. But, you got banned for being abusive. That is the truth. You have to be daft to think there can be a civilized conversation with people who lie, equivocate and bluff. You have to be daft to think that calling out the liars, equivocators and bluffers means that you are immature for doing so. Enter the daft twins, JVL and Mac & cheese It's not my fault you got banned for being abusive. That's down to you. JVL can’t even respond to that. That is very telling I don't see much that I seriously need to consider responding to. In fact, I find your ranting quite amusing. I hope you don't damage your keyboard.JVL
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Wow. You are the serial offender, JVL. You lie, equivocate and bluff. That is the truth of you. And yes, I have exposed many liars, equivocators and bluffers. I am proud of that. And I am sure you are proud of your lying, equivocating and bluffing. You have to be daft to think there can be a civilized conversation with people who lie, equivocate and bluff. You have to be daft to think that calling out the liars, equivocators and bluffers means that you are immature for doing so. Enter the daft twins, JVL and Mac & cheese JVL can't even respond to that. That is very tellingET
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@47 ET 'Civilization' is dead. 'Woke-tards' have raped, killed, desecrated and dismembered it. Alhamdulillah (Darwin is great). 72 'genres' await you in 'heaven'.Truthfreedom
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ET: You have to be daft to think there can be a civilized conversation with people who lie, equivocate and bluff. You have to be daft to think that calling out the liars, equivocators and bluffers means that you are immature for doing so. Enter the daft twins, JVL and Mac & cheese Take it up with the people who banned you from UD. How many times has it been? Twice? Three times? You're a serial offender. The truth remains that I get banned for exposing liars, cowardly equivocators and bluffing losers. And I am more than OK with that. Evos get banned for being liars, cowardly equivocators and pathological liars. Again, I am more than OK with that. What a weird site: you get banned for lying and you get banned for exposing lies. Very strange.JVL
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You have to be daft to think there can be a civilized conversation with people who lie, equivocate and bluff. You have to be daft to think that calling out the liars, equivocators and bluffers means that you are immature for doing so. Enter the daft twins, JVL and Mac & cheeseET
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Lol. A 'materialist' complaining about 'unfairness'. Is 'unfairness' objective? Does it have size? Does it have weight? Because, if it does not have any of them, it 'does not exist'/ it is an 'illusion'. (I know, that sounds retarded. But materialism is the tomb where logic gets buried). I, of course, AM NOT a materialist.Truthfreedom
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LoL! @ JVL- What I said are the facts. YOU are one of the liars, equivocators and bluffers. The truth remains that I get banned for exposing liars, cowardly equivocators and bluffing losers. And I am more than OK with that. Evos get banned for being liars, cowardly equivocators and pathological liars. Again, I am more than OK with that. Figures JVL would have an issue with the truthET
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ET: So both mac and cheese and JVL support lying, equivocating and bluffing. It isn’t as if there was any doubt, though. ??? I know the current style here is to let you run rampant on the threads but you really should try harder to focus. People who lie, equivocate and bluff are immature. So according to mac-cheeseman and JVL, all evolutionists are immature. Please try harder to make sense. THe truth remains that I get banned for exposing liars, cowardly equivocators and bluffing losers. And I am more than OK with that. Evos get banned for being liars, cowardly equivocators and pathological liars. Again, I am more than OK with that. You got banned for being very, very abusive. You stopped even trying to carry on a civilised conversation. Your anger got the better of you.JVL
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But if everything is 'material' (has size/ weight), it logically follows that 'behaviors' can be measured. Unless: - materialism is false (everyone knows it) - you want to go the 'emergentist' route (which equals 'magic'/ non-sense) - you want to go the 'eliminativist' route (behaviors 'does not exist'. More non-sense.) Anyway, materialists lose.Truthfreedom
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So both mac and cheese and JVL support lying, equivocating and bluffing. It isn't as if there was any doubt, though. People who lie, equivocate and bluff are immature. So according to mac-cheeseman and JVL, all evolutionists are immature. THe truth remains that I get banned for exposing liars, cowardly equivocators and bluffing losers. And I am more than OK with that. Evos get banned for being liars, cowardly equivocators and pathological liars. Again, I am more than OK with that.ET
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TF
What is the objective standard for ‘being mature’? Its size? Its weight? Anyone?
With respect to behavior I believe that it is a cultural/societal standard rather than an objective one.Mac McTavish
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'Immatureness' is a 'social construct'. Wow. Some people are not 'woke' yet. No one cares about 'opinions'. What is the objective standard for 'being mature'? Its size? Its weight? Anyone?Truthfreedom
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Mac McTavish, the one true Scotsman: Thanks JVL, I wasn’t aware of ET’s history. I take some comfort from the fact that this site does occasionally act on this type of behavior. After all, continuing to allow this type of immature schoolyard behavior detracts from those who try to have serious discussions. If I remember correctly he had to get much more abusive to get banned the last time. Might have involved some swearing . . .JVL
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