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The comment threads to several recent posts have contained spirited discussions of faith, reason and the relationship between the two. This issue comes up quite often on this blog, so I decided it was time to devote a post to it. Many of the comments assume a dichotomy, namely that materialists operate solely within the sphere of reason, and theists operate solely within the sphere of faith. In this post I will demonstrate that this dichotomy is not only false, but obviously false. I will show that everyone operates in varying degrees in both spheres. I will then show that far from being a bastion of pure reason, materialism actually requires greater faith commitments than theism.

Everyone Has Faith.

Materialists can be insufferably smug when it comes to the faith/reason debate. They claim their knowledge is superior because they refuse to believe anything that cannot be confirmed by evidence. Therefore, the claim goes, their beliefs are more reliable than the beliefs of theists, whom, they say, base their beliefs on “leap in the dark” faith that is not confirmed by the evidence or, even worse flies in the face of the evidence. Just a moment’s thought will show, however, that not only is the materialist’s smug self-satisfaction unwarranted, his claim of epistemological superiority is obviously false. Materialists make leaps of faith just like the rest of us.

Materialist believe that a real world exists outside of themselves and that they have trustworthy perceptions of this real world from their senses. Surprise. Those two beliefs are not based upon any evidence. Materialists hold the beliefs based on pure faith, a frequently unacknowledged faith to be sure, but faith nevertheless. You might say, “That’s crazy talk Barry. Everyone knows the outside world exists and that we can perceive it through our senses.” Do we?

Philosophers have known for hundreds of years that data provided to us by sense impressions cannot be the basis of absolute knowledge. Renee Descartes, for example, famously demonstrated this with his “evil demon” thought experiment. In this experiment Descartes posited an evil demon “as clever and deceitful as he is powerful, who has directed his entire effort to misleading me.” The evil demon is so powerful he is capable of presenting an illusion of the entire world, including Descartes’ sense impressions of his own body, to Descartes’ mind. If such an evil demon actually existed, Descartes’ sense impressions would be misleading him, and the outside world, including Descartes’ own body, would not in fact exist even though Descartes’ sense impressions confirmed unequivocally that they did.

Here’s the fascinating part of the experiment. How do we know the evil demon does not exist? Answer. By definition, the data presented to our minds by our senses cannot demonstrate his non-existence. In fact, we cannot know with absolute certainty he does not exist. We take his non-existence purely as a matter of faith.

Or consider the movie “The Matrix.” Early on in the movie we learn the vast majority of humans live in containers filled with clear viscous goo, and all of their sense impressions of the world are fed directly to their brains by a massively powerful computer program. How do we know we do not actually live in the Matrix? Answer, just as we cannot prove the non-existence of Descartes’ evil demon, we cannot prove we are not in the Matrix.

Then there is the concept of the “Boltzman Brain,” which is a hypothetical brain that randomly forms out of the chaos of the universe with false memories of a life and false impressions of the world. Again, as a matter of pure logic, I cannot prove that I am not at this moment a Boltzman Brain.

All of these concepts are closely related and are perhaps epitomized by Bishop Berkeley’s idealism. Berkeley argued that we cannot really “know” an object outside of our mind, that the only reality we can really experience is our perception of things. Boswell records Dr. Johnson’s response to Berkeley:

After we came out of the church, we stood and spoke some time together of Bishop Berkeley’ sophistry to prove the nonexistence of matter, and that every thing in the universe is merely ideal. I observed, that though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute it. I never shall forget the alacrity with which Johnson answered, striking his foot with mighty force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it – ‘I refute it thus.’

This is is an amusing anecdote. We can imagine Johnson kicking the rock outside the church so hard that he bounced off of it. But consider this. Johnson most certainly did NOT refute Berkeley as a matter of pure logic. Boswell was correct. It is impossible to refute Berkeley’s idealism, just as it is impossible to refute Descartes’ demon, or the existence of the Matrix, or that at this moment I am a Boltzman Brain. The internal logic of these systems is seamless and flawless.

But in another very important sense Johnson did refute Berkeley. He refuted him as a practical matter. The point of Johnson’s exercise is that our senses are all we have. We have nothing else with which to perceive the universe, and, as a practical matter, we must rely on our senses or give up all hope of having any knowledge, even knowledge as basic as whether the large stone in front of me (and the foot I’m kicking it with) exists. We all have faith that the data related to us by our senses corresponds to an outside world that really exists and that can be apprehended by our senses.

In short, we are all rock kickers. Every materialist believes that when he kicks a large rock he has an actual foot with which he is kicking an actual rock. But as we have seen, the materialist must accept this conclusion as a matter of faith, not as a matter of pure reason based upon evidence.

Materialists’ faith commitments do not stop there. Consider the following statement: “The universe is subject to rationale inquiry.” This statement is a “rock kicking” statement. All scientific inquiry is based on the assumption that it is true. Nevertheless, the truth of the statement cannot be established to a logical certainty or confirmed absolutely by examination of physical evidence.

Finally, consider the very definitional presupposition of materialism, which can be reduced to the following statement: “The universe consists of space, matter and energy and nothing else.” Has this assertion been proven true? Not only has it not been proven to be true; it is incapable of such proof. The statement is what Karl Popper called a “universal statement,” of which he wrote in The Logic of Scientific Inquiry:

This is the reason why strictly existential statements are not falsifiable. We cannot search the whole world in order to establish that something does not exist [in our case, a non-material phenomenon], has never existed, and will never exist. It is for precisely the same reason that strictly universal statements are not verifiable. Again, we cannot search the whole world in order to make sure that nothing exists which the law forbids.

Do you mean to tell me that materialism is not in fact physical but metaphysical at its very foundation, and that the entire materialist enterprise rests on a faith commitment? Yes, that’s exactly what I mean to tell you, and we thus conclude that the materialist conceit that all of materialist knowledge is confirmed by evidence is not only false, but obviously false.

Reason has a limit, and at the end of reason are first principles, and first principles must be accepted on faith; they cannot be demonstrated. This is what C.S. Lewis meant when he wrote in The Abolition of Man:

But you cannot go on ‘explaining away’ for ever: you will find that you have explained explanation itself away. You cannot go on seeing through things for ever. The whole point of seeing through something is to see something through it. It is good that the window should be transparent, because the street or garden beyond it is opaque. How if you saw through the garden too? It is no use trying to ‘see through’ first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To ‘see through’ all things is the same as not to see.

Authentic Faith, For Both the Theist and the Materialist, is Consistent With Reason

Not only is the first materialist conceit – that they are immune to faith commitments –false, but their second conceit – that theists are immune to reason – is also false. Usually when a materialist argues against the epistemic status of faith, he does not argue against faith as most theists understand it and practice it. Instead, he erects the straw man of “fideism” and knocks it over, all the while pretending to have knocked over the real thing. “Fideism” is the blind leap in the dark even in the face of all of the evidence type of faith that the materialist so rightly deplores. But fideism is not the type of faith practiced by most theists. It is certainly not the faith of historic Christianity.

Authentic Christian faith is in fact faith; it is belief in something that cannot be proven absolutely by evidence. But it is not blind-leap-in-the-dark-in-the-face-of-the evidence fideism. Far from being a blind leap, authentic Christian faith is a reasoned faith. It does not fly in the face of the evidence; rather it goes one step further than the evidence. For example, Christians, by definition, believe in the existence of God. Is this belief a blind “the moon is made of green cheese” leap? Certainly not, because, in a manner of speaking, God’s existence has been proved.

Before I go on let me say a brief word about what it means to “prove” something. People mean many things when they use that word. There are many different “standards of proof.” One standard of proof is an “apodictic proof.” A is greater than B and B is greater than C. Therefore, A is greater than C. This conclusion is necessarily true as a matter of logical certainty. But there are other standards of proof, and unusually when we talk about something having been proved we mean some lesser standard than apodictic.

I am a lawyer, and when I take a case to trial my job is to “prove” my case to the jury. At the end of the evidence the judge will instruct the jury concerning the applicable burden of proof. In a civil case he will usually say I must have proved my case “by a preponderance of the evidence.” He will then tell the jury that to prove something by a preponderance of the evidence means to “prove that it is more probably true than not.” If it is a criminal case the judge will tell the jury the prosecution must have proved its case “beyond a reasonable doubt.” He will then explain that “reasonable doubt means a doubt based upon reason and common sense which arises from a fair and rational consideration of all of the evidence, or the lack of evidence, in the case. It is a doubt which is not a vague, speculative or imaginary doubt, but such a doubt as would cause reasonable people to hesitate to act in matters of importance to themselves.”

Certainly the existence of God has not been proven in the apodictic sense of the word, but it has been proven in every fair sense of the word “proven.” Wikipedia has a pretty good summary of the proofs of the existence of God (the cosmological proof, the ontological proof, the teleological proof, the moral proof, etc.) here.

Consider just one of these many proofs, the cosmological proof. We know that every finite thing has a cause. No finite thing can cause itself. The chain of cause and effect cannot be infinitely long. Therefore, an uncaused first cause must exist, and that uncaused first cause is God.

Is the cosmological proof an example of blind leap in the dark faith? Look at each step in the chain of reasoning.

1. Every effect has a cause. Who could argue with that?
2. No effect causes itself. This seems inarguable as a logical matter.
3. The chain of cause and effect is not infinite. This seems consistent with what we know about the universe; big bang theory especially supports this conclusion.
4. Therefore, there must have been an uncaused first cause. The conclusion follows inexorably from perfectly reasonable premises.

Remember, the cosmological proof is only one of many reasonable proofs of the existence of God. I encourage you to examine it and the others in more detail. If you do, I believe you will find that God’s existence has been proved. By this I mean that the existence of God has been proved beyond any “doubt based upon reason and common sense which arises from a fair and rational consideration of all of the evidence,” i.e., beyond a reasonable doubt. Certainly the evidence preponderates toward the existence of God.

This is not to say that there is no room for some doubt. When I go to trial my opponent puts on his evidence to counter mine. Similarly, many people believe that such things as the existence of evil or the suffering of innocents counts as evidence against the existence of God. It is beyond the scope of this post to answer these objections, but they have been answered.

More to the point of this post, the fact that many people believe there is evidence that points away from the existence of God does not undermine my original conclusion. Authentic Christian faith is not a leap in the dark. It is a rational faith based upon a reasoned consideration of the evidence.

Materialists often make the mistake of engaging in what I call “selective evidentialism.” Selective evidentialism is the practice of saying “unless I can touch it, see it, taste it, hear it or smell it, it must be the product of faith (the evidentialism part), but if it suits me I will accept its existence on faith (the selective part). Consider dark matter. The standard cosmological model rests on the assumption that 90% of the matter in the universe is “dark matter.” Yet no scientist has ever directly observed a single iota of the stuff. The existence of dark matter is rather inferred from certain gravitational effects on visible matter.

Isn’t this astounding! Scientists have so much faith (I use that word advisedly) in their observations, calculations and assumptions that they say that, for now at least, the existence of 90% of the matter in the universe must be accepted as a matter of faith based upon inferences. This is a reasoned faith, probably even a reasonable faith, but it is faith nevertheless. Moreover, there are competing explanations for the data that do not require dark matter. If these explanations turn out to be true, dark matter, like the ether of nineteenth century cosmology, will vanish in an instant.

What is so different about the materialist’s faith in the existence of dark matter and the Christian’s faith in the existence of God? Both beliefs are based upon a reasoned analysis of the evidence. Both beliefs are extensions from the known to the unknown. Both may be true or false.

The Materialists’ Faith Commitments Are More of a Leap in the Dark than the Theists’

In one of his debates with William Provine, Phil Johnson said, “I would love to be a Darwinist. I just can’t manage the faith commitments.”

Consider two instances of the materialist faith dilemma. First, how does the materialist answer the question: “Why is there something instead of nothing?” For the theist this is an easy question. God, the uncaused first cause, created all things that exist. But the materialist finds himself between the Scylla of an eternal universe and the Charybdis of a self-created universe. The eternal universe flies in the face of all we now know about the cosmos. There is practically universal agreement among cosmologists that the universe had a beginning. The self-created universe is a logical absurdity.

Secondly, consider biological origins. By definition the materialist must believe that particles of matter, starting as the detritus of the nuclear furnaces at the center of long burned out stars, organized themselves with absolutely no plan or guidance into first elements and then planets and then organic compounds and then into animals and plants and humans and computers and space stations. The phrase “mud to mind” does not even begin to encompass the absurdity of the proposition.

I call materialists’ belief in these two propositions “materialist fideism.” It really is amusing to listen to materialists blast leap-in-the-dark faith, when their faith commitments dwarf those of even the most fundamentalist believer.

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Tom NH, I think you are missing my point. The point is NOT that we should be more skeptical of our sense data input in certain contexts (scientific tests) and less skeptical in other contexts (walking through the living room). The point is that we have no reason to believe -- other than pure faith -- that ANY of our sense data is reliable and actually corresponds with the real world.BarryA
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Gil, you made a major mistake that basically negates your whole point. The belief of so-called materialists that the world exists is an axiom, a working postulate. The belief in a specific man-god is faith. You confuse an axiom with a faith-based belief. They are two very different things. Plus, it always seemed to me that theists are proclaiming "well, we know believing something on faith is bad, but they do it too!" I would think theists would be proud of their faith.Joejoe17
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BarryA
"your stronger examples of materialist faith commitments . . . are also held by theists (and therefore can’t really be said to be characteristic of materialists per se)” Well, yes, that is the whole point of the post – that faith commitments are not characteristic solely of either camp. Both materialists and theists have them.
No. Your ellipses leave out the crux of pubdef's point here. I'll restore the missing material:
your stronger examples of materialist faith commitments (e.g., “that a real world exists outside of themselves and that they have trustworthy perceptions of this real world from their senses”) are also held by theists (and therefore can’t really be said to be characteristic of materialists per se).
Even a biblical scholar must rely on his senses (and his intellect). And any decent scientist (or scholar, biblical or otherwise) would be sceptical of the trustworthiness of their senses alone. Nonetheless, we all abandon that skepticism when navigating amongst the living room furniture.Tom MH
July 14, 2008
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-----pubdef: “It remains to be established whether the universe is an ‘effect.’” There are two self evident truths, not one. [A] We have rational minds, we live in a rational universe, and there is a correspondence between the two. (the phenomenon of cause and effect is just one of many elements in a rational universe.) [B] If [A] isn’t true, then there can be no science, no reason logic, or no rational discourse of any kind. Even if one goes to the extreme of narcissistic solipsism and rejects [A], there is no getting around [B]. -----“Theists attribute many properties to “God” that are not at all necessary for an uncaused first cause.” True enough. The five proofs are about God’s existence, they say nothing about his attributes. -----“Is the Christian’s faith in the existence of God similarly subject to revision based on new data?” The Christian’s faith in the existence of God is of a different texture than his belief in Christ, though they are obviously related. In the first instance, (God in general) we are talking about philosophy and the principles of right reason. One can infer the existence of God by simply observing the effects of his creation. It’s a very strong argument unless you deny the principle of causation or deny your minds ability to apprehend it. I don’t know how that would be subject to change. In the second instance, (Christ as God) we are talking about history and empirical data. (1) 459 Old Testament prophecies, all of which constitute independent statistical events, became fulfilled in time/space/history. (unlikely to have occurred by chance). (2) Christ lived, performed miracles, and rose from the dead. (all events reported by eyewitnesses). This too is very powerful evidence and justifies a “leap of faith” into a Christian faith commitment, by which I mean offering an assent of the intellect to revealed truths that cannot, in themselves, be empirically verified and submitting to the will of a Divine person, whose claims about Divinity can be justified by his miraculous actions. If it can be shown that the Old Testament prophecies were put in after the fact (a difficult task since some of them predate the New Testament reports by over a thousand years), or, if it turns out that the New Testament writers lied or stacked the deck, or if Christ’s body was found, then that would be that. Christianity would be out of business, but God, in general would still be on the table.StephenB
July 14, 2008
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Great essay BarryA Also, let's not forget Hume's observation about causality -- or Kant's need to save science from Hume, and so forth. Knowledge, knowing, etc. are loaded with presuppostions, each or which has it's own pitfalls. That the likes Myers or Dawkins miss the last 200 years of philosophy is understandable -- but to hear them build their "case" out of that same ignorance with a little conceit for a binder? Not only do they want to mercilessly hump Hume's leg, they then want to pretend no one's spoken on the issue since. Fools rush in... There's just no reason to take these guys as anything other then reactionaries who know how to make a quick buck off the ignorant. Say something outrageous, get a treat. Publish something outrageous, get a treat. Say something outrageous, get more web traffic. Say something outrageous, get a mention on CNN. Say something outrageous, get invited to Bill Mahr's show. Say something outrageous, get a treat. Say something outrageous, get a treat. Say something outrageous, get a treat.wnelson
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Of course, one of the best examples of a blind leap of faith in the face of contrary evidence and logic is the belief that matter, energy, chance and time wrote the computer program and built the machinery that runs life.GilDodgen
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BTW, it's a great post. I've been making a similar argument for years on various boards. A further cognitive dissonance of lay-atheists is that they purport that their beliefs are based on scientific evidence and facts, but in fact they are not; they have faith in venues of media that represent the research and conclusions of scientists, and they have faith in those scientists that their research was conducted appropriately and in an unbiased, honest way. The lay-atheists themselves have little or no scientific understanding themselves, so their faith in scientists and the media representing them is equivalent to the faith of many of the religious who rely on the word of clergy or scriptures to represent the spiritual to them in an unbiased an honest way. When your average atheist claims, "I only believe what can be scietifically proven", what they actually mean is "I only belive what my figures of authority tell me to believe." I fail to see how that makes them any different from their oversimplified, condescending view of the religious.William J. Murray
July 14, 2008
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Apparently I forgot to close my blockquote -- oddly it showed up properly in the preview. Apologies to the moderators.johnny
July 14, 2008
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Authentic Christian faith is in fact faith; it is belief in something that cannot be proven absolutely by evidence. But it is not blind-leap-in-the-dark-in-the-face-of-the evidence fideism. Far from being a blind leap, authentic Christian faith is a reasoned faith. It does not fly in the face of the evidence; rather it goes one step further than the evidence. For example, Christians, by definition, believe in the existence of God. Is this belief a blind “the moon is made of green cheese” leap? Certainly not, because, in a manner of speaking, God’s existence has been proved. you reconcile this faith in a "proved" thing with the Biblical definition of faith which "is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen"?johnny
July 14, 2008
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We can conclude god exists from the overwhelming evidence; what can be debated are the particular characteristics and other aspects - intentions, etc. If Christ's body was found it might disprove your particlar conclusions about the attributes or characteristics of god, but it would hardly disprove god. Also, the spirtual world has been similarly proven to exist; just because someone encounters conclusive evidence that their particular view of that other realm isn't true, doesn't automatically erase all the evidence that exists for that realm. We might not like to believe that we could be wrong about what we consder to be very important particulars when it comes to god or the spiritual realms, but disproving any particular notion hardly makes materialists right. Sorry, I felt strongly about it and wanted to elaborate a bit on my first post.William J. Murray
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BarryA said: Quote: Paul(the apostle, not Maier) writes that if Christ has not been raised, our faith is in vain. If Jesus body were found, I would succumb to despair, because at that point I would know that materialists’ assertion that our existence is pointless would be true. End quote. No, you would only know that your faith wasn't true. You wouldn't know that materialists are right. There are other spiritual and religious faiths in the world.William J. Murray
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pubdef writes: “It remains to be established whether the universe is an ‘effect.’” Interesting statement. I wonder what you mean be it. It seems to me the options are three-fold: 1. The universe is an effect of a staggeringly powerful cause. 2. The universe is self-existent. Logically incomprehensible. 3. Some third option our minds have not yet conceived. Hawkings “singularity” argument was a candidate for this category for many years, but I understand that even he has given up on it. “Theists attribute many properties to “God” that are not at all necessary for an uncaused first cause.” That is true. I never suggested that one can develop a full blown theology from the cosmological argument. But once one is satisfied in the existence of God, the next step is to investigate His other attributes. That is beyond the scope of this post. “Is the Christian’s faith in the existence of God similarly subject to revision based on new data?” Yes. An excellent read on this topic is “The Skeleton in God’s Closet” by Paul Maier, which explores this question: “What would happen to Christianity if we suddenly received irrefutable proof that Jesus’ body had been found?" Paul (the apostle, not Maier) writes that if Christ has not been raised, our faith is in vain. If Jesus body were found, I would succumb to despair, because at that point I would know that materialists' assertion that our existence is pointless would be true. “your stronger examples of materialist faith commitments . . . are also held by theists (and therefore can’t really be said to be characteristic of materialists per se)” Well, yes, that is the whole point of the post – that faith commitments are not characteristic solely of either camp. Both materialists and theists have them.BarryA
July 14, 2008
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Barry, great read. Very carefully worded and thought out. You are truly a soft-spoken, logically razor-sharp asset to UD.Atom
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BarryA, Thank you for addressing this. I think a lot of theists and atheists misunderstand this. Christians (and others) let atheists define them as irrational. I try to explain that even making a dentist appointment takes a little bit of faith because you must believe and act on the belief that you will be alive then among other things. You must have faith that the sun will come up tomorrow. One atheist responded to me, "that's not faith, there's just no reason not to believe the sun will come up tomorrow." What a fatuous argument, because, though he's right, his argument points to faith not away from it.Collin
July 14, 2008
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Two very quick points. First, regarding the cosmological argument, two subpoints:
1. Every effect has a cause. Who could argue with that?
No one could argue with that, because it is circular. If something is an effect, then it has a cause by definition. It remains to be established whether the universe is an "effect;" this may be a reasonable enough proposition, but it is not self-evident. Second subpoint: the cosmological argument for an uncaused first cause (which I actually think is a pretty good argument as far as it goes) doesn't establish anything about that "first cause." Theists attribute many properties to "God" that are not at all necessary for an uncaused first cause. Second point:
What is so different about the materialist’s faith in the existence of dark matter and the Christian’s faith in the existence of God? Both beliefs are based upon a reasoned analysis of the evidence. Both beliefs are extensions from the known to the unknown. Both may be true or false.re's a difference: the possibility of refutation. You say yourself:
Moreover, there are competing explanations for the data that do not require dark matter. If these explanations turn out to be true, dark matter, like the ether of nineteenth century cosmology, will vanish in an instant.
Is the Christian's faith in the existence of God similarly subject to revision based on new data? And one closing comment: I haven't spent enough time examining your post to be sure, but I suspect that your stronger examples of materialist faith commitments (e.g., "that a real world exists outside of themselves and that they have trustworthy perceptions of this real world from their senses") are also held by theists (and therefore can't really be said to be characteristic of materialists per se).pubdef
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Thank you Stephen and GEM.BarryA
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BarryA: I second StephenB's motion! Excellent work, please keep it up! GEM of TKI PS: Onlookers -- and would-be objectors -- may find my discussion on selective hyper-skepticism here, of interest.kairosfocus
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Barry A, congratulations on another outstanding post. You have explained and dramatized a little known fact: theists must take a leap of faith, but materialists must do a pole vault.StephenB
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