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A retired surgeon offers some thoughts about John West’s Darwin Day in America (2014, second edition):

At first glance, it might seem that whether we believe in evolution as a purely material, unguided process should make no difference to values or morality. Yet, in his 2007 book Darwin Day in America: How Politics and Culture Have Been Dehumanized in the Name of Science, Discovery Institute’s John West looks at the question more deeply and shows otherwise. In a nearly encyclopedic manner, he documents the numerous impacts Darwinism has had in the public square. It has had a distinctively destructive effect on our society. Dr. West provides a plethora of examples in each chapter of how Darwinism has changed the courts, the schools, the medical establishment, the conduct of the scientific community, and, indeed, the man on the street.

A War of Worldviews

As the book shows, Darwinism is a Weltanschauung at war with the Judeo-Christian theistic system on which Western civilization and scientific inquiry are based. Many of Dr. West’s examples were unknown to me, and will be news to many other readers. In a skillful and scholarly fashion, he unearths the contest between faith and “science,” while providing references for any claims that he makes. The book is divided into sections, with each oriented around a specific theme. I’ll be as brief as possible in this two-part review.

Kenneth Feucht, “Darwinism and the “So What?” Question: John West’s Darwin Day in America” at Evolution News and Science Today (March 25, 2022)

See, some of us go well back into the 1950s. Darwinism was conveyed in the culture in a way that reinforced racism (like, there were three human “races,” did you know?). As it happened, most of us had little contact with the other two.

For reasons familiar to anyone who follows human psychology, our group was supposed to be the smartest. We were told to be nice to the others anyway. They couldn’t help their stupidity, nor could we.

That was the view smart people had. Stupid Fundamentalists, by contrast, still believed in Adam and Eve…

Most of the legal issues around “race” that we addressed in those days were complicated by Indigenous status or women’s rights (or lack thereof), which is not the same thing as “race.” It was a legal issue in Canada who was or wasn’t entitled to be considered a “registered” Indigenous person and what benefits that such a status did or did not confer. It really didn’t affect our overall assumptions about “race” in general. The implicit assumptions around such ideas were conveyed in the culture.

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Querius
Notice that resorting to vacuous ad hominem attacks such as the one quoted reveals that they’ve lost the argument and have no cogent rebuttal.
I always look for that signal. Once the insults begin, we know they have nothing to say for themselves and we can just hope they can reflect on it some time later and let the point sink in.Silver Asiatic
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All,
Good one. Hehe. That’s the funniest and stupidest thing I’ve seen on UD in a while. Thanks for the laff!
Notice that resorting to vacuous ad hominem attacks such as the one quoted reveals that they've lost the argument and have no cogent rebuttal. -QQuerius
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I’m sorry, I had no idea your Bible had been confiscated and you were posting from prison. You should have said something.
I'm sorry you misunderstood. I was referring to the 100 million Christians being persecuted by atheists in China, North Korea, Cuba and North Vietnam. I know it's easy to ignore them, but there were actually that many and more that have been forced to surrender Bibles and their very lives over the past 70 years of atheistic tyranny in the world. If you didn't know that, I'm not surprised - and I'm glad for the opportunity to tell you about it.Silver Asiatic
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Chuckdarwin @35, Actually, I've read several books on African history in college, studied (ba)ganda music, the major African empires, some minor ones in West Africa, and the Hausa city states, but I did have to look up several sources for information about Eswatini, which I didn't previously know about. Yes, I noticed that the Europeans did tend to buy land there at prices that were a "steal" from Nguni tribes . . . who previously had seized the land from the earlier non-Bantu Khoe-san hunter-gatherers, slaughtering entire villages in the process. I also noticed that you chose to evade my question regarding clades. -QQuerius
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Querius @24 Good one. Hehe. That's the funniest and stupidest thing I've seen on UD in a while. Thanks for the laff! --RAMram
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Seversky #37,
What I find ironic is when Christians say atheists have no basis for morality when their doctrine means that they are unable to work out for themselves what is moral or immoral, they have to wait for their God to tell them.
Actually, I think all people do have a morality (along with rationalizations). Their basis' might differ, sometimes radically. This is what the Bible indicates as well. The problem is that we all fall short of even our own morality. The Bible addresses this problem in several places, but that's a subject for a different forum. -QQuerius
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Silver Asiatic/33
It is a comedy indeed – but also a tragedy. Especially for the old boomers. Laughing at God all the way to the grave. Does the questions ever arise: “What if what Jesus said is true? What if the believers are right?”
What I find ironic is when Christians say atheists have no basis for morality when their doctrine means that they are unable to work out for themselves what is moral or immoral, they have to wait for their God to tell them.Seversky
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Silver Asiatic/32
when the white man came we had the land and he had the Bible and now he has the land and we have the Bible?
Then the atheists and socialists came along and took away our Bibles … and put us in jail for even having them.
I'm sorry, I had no idea your Bible had been confiscated and you were posting from prison. You should have said something.Seversky
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Querius @ 31 Thanks for the "fascinating" Wiki-tour of Swaziland--someday I'll have to visit....chuckdarwin
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Silver Asiatic It is a comedy indeed – but also a tragedy. Especially for the old boomers. Laughing at God all the way to the grave.
"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things [stumbling blocks, temptations]must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!"(Mathew 18) Darwinism (for sure)is one of the stumbling blocks Jesus talked about that they must come. Some will use such a stumbling block as a stepping stone to sky , others will be crushed by the same stumbling block. Depends on one's positioning.Lieutenant Commander Data
April 20, 2022
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Sandy It is a comedy indeed - but also a tragedy. Especially for the old boomers. Laughing at God all the way to the grave. Does the questions ever arise: "What if what Jesus said is true? What if the believers are right?" I hope so.Silver Asiatic
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when the white man came we had the land and he had the Bible and now he has the land and we have the Bible?
Then the atheists and socialists came along and took away our Bibles ... and put us in jail for even having them.Silver Asiatic
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Asauber @29, The history of Eswatini, starting with the Nguni tribal migration from Central and East Africa under "the fighting kings" who seized the Eswatini land from the non-Bantu Khoe-san hunter-gatherers, their country's founding by constitution in 1968, and their religious composition and history is fascinating --as is the history of the empires in the rest of Africa! Too bad that not many people have enriched their knowledge with this history, settling for anti-Christian smears instead. -QQuerius
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Chuckdarwin @25, Funny, but most geneticists recognize the value of clades in tracing ancestry, lineages, migrations, and extinctions. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100817122405.htm
The most robust statistical examination to date of our species' genetic links to "mitochondrial Eve" -- the maternal ancestor of all living humans -- confirms that she lived about 200,000 years ago. The study was based on a side-by-side comparison of 10 human genetic models that each aim to determine when Eve lived using a very different set of assumptions about the way humans migrated, expanded and spread across Earth.
How did you come to the conclusion that all this is false and what have you theorized that explains successive variation in DNA? -QQuerius
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"When I was in the Peace Corps in Eswatini in the mid 70s" CD, Sure you were in the Peace Corps in Eswatini in the mid 70's... and maybe you just daydreamed you were in the Peace Corps in Eswatini in the mid 70's... maybe you just made it all up just now. Andrewasauber
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Atheists talking about morality it's like watching a comedy. The funniest part is they don't even realize the irony.Sandy
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When I was in the Peace Corps in Eswatini in the mid 70s, I'd get this question over and over: How come it is that when the white man came we had the land and he had the Bible and now he has the land and we have the Bible?chuckdarwin
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"Maybe we should ask the indigenous peoples throughout the globe what had the most racist influence in their lives, Darwin or the Church." Maybe we should ask them who has influenced assistance with food, clothing, shelter, education, comfort, etc., and yes, spiritual direction... the Church or Darwin? Andrewasauber
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Querius @ 23 https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.270.5244.1930?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D77803873496182031783641193776671073811%7CMCORGID%3D242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1650476161chuckdarwin
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Ram @21,
Just like there’s no reason not to believe in talking snakes.
So apparently you cannot bring yourself to believe in the possibility of non-human sentient beings? For example, corvids may actually be smarter than most primates. And yet you've found the possibility of reptilian sentience absurd while believing that the avian and reptilian classes are closely related? And what does Torah actually assert? That there once was a kind of now-extinct animals, male and female, then called "serpent" that apparently once had legs and was sentient. Perhaps serpent might have been jealous that some stupid and gullible primates should be responsible for the ecological care of the earth (I think that I appreciate why serpent might have thought so, especially now) . . . -QQuerius
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JHolo @11,
Maybe we should ask the indigenous peoples throughout the globe what had the most racist influence in their lives, Darwin or the Church.
If you haven’t seen it already . . . the movie, The Mission, describes the difference between the state-sanctioned church in Portugal compared to the state-sanctioned church in Spain. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091530/ Also compare the state-sanctioned church with the radical teachings of the apostle Paul in his letter to believers in Galatia (Turkey) within the context of the rabidly ethnocentric, socioeconomically stratified, and pervasively misogynistic Greco-Roman and Jewish cultures of that time:
Galatians 3:27-28 . . . . . . for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (NIV translation)
Chuckdarwin @16,
Intractable problems re racism aside, one thing holds, Fundamentalists, stupid or not, still believe in Adam and Eve….
Racism is only intractable for people who don't really believe that God created all humans as equals. Certainly eugenicists don't believe this. So, now you no longer believe in a mitochondrial Eve or a Y-chromosomal Adam? -QQuerius
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Darwinism is a hoax . Imbelievable as it is , Darwin himself wrote about the fatal issues of darwinism IN HIS OWN BOOKS. :lol:Sandy
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Jerry: There is no reason to not believe in Adam and Eve. Just like there's no reason not to believe in talking snakes. --RAMram
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;SA: Statues of people who were less racist than Darwin are being torn down and their good-names are abolished from education. They are considered evil.
I have no problem with removing statues of confederate generals. We don't see any statues commemorating German WWII generals. That doesn't mean that they are not taught in schools, they are just not commemorated. Confederate leaders were on the wrong side of history. And many of these statues were erected long after the civil war. There is no fear of the history of the civil war being erased. All that is happening is that we are no longer comfortable with commemorating those responsible for trying to maintain slavery.JHolo
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Orthodox Jews still believe in Adam and Eve and we know how stupid and evil they are. Maybe someone could suggest a way of getting rid of them? Somebody who was influenced by Mr. Darwin and his belief in the supremacy of certain races? At the very least, it's a good idea to ridicule Jews because of their stupid religion - isn't that true progressive leftists? A little religious hatred won't hurt anyone.Silver Asiatic
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Fundamentalists, stupid or not, still believe in Adam and Eve
Still batting zero! There is no reason to not believe in Adam and Eve.jerry
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Would you Adam-and-Eve it?Seversky
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Intractable problems re racism aside, one thing holds, Fundamentalists, stupid or not, still believe in Adam and Eve….chuckdarwin
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Seversky
Darwin was inescapably a man of his time as we all are. He shared at least some of the prejudices of his generation concerning women and racism but he was very far from being the worst and certainly not the only one to think in those terms.
Statues of people who were less racist than Darwin are being torn down and their good-names are abolished from education. They are considered evil. So what does that tell us about the people who are working to have "Darwin Day" as an international holiday, or the people who wear Darwin T-Shirts as a sign of their progressivism?Silver Asiatic
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We should also be aware that to attack the theory of evolution on the grounds that it was enlisted by racists to support their agendas is to commit the logical fallacy of argumentum ad consequentiam or appeal to consequences. It says nothing about the scientific merits of the theory
When have you ever provided the scientific merits? Does Seversky not find it ironic that he has never defended Darwinian processes in Evolution other to occasionally assert them. When pressed, he deflects to religion but not to science. Here he uses an appeal to logic. How about P=> Q But also Not Q => not P Where P= Darwinian processes and Q= examples/fossils.jerry
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