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Four fallacies evolutionists make when arguing about biological function (part 1)

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First of all, I want to apologize for shamelessly copying the title and structure of a recent post by VJ Torley. VJ, I hope you will pardon me: imitators, after all, are an undeniable mark of true success! 🙂

That said, let’s go to the subject of this post. I have discussed a little bit about biological function in my previous posts, and I have received many comments about that topic, some of them from very good interlocutors (I would like to publicly thank here Piotr and wd400, in particular). From my general experience in this blog during the last few years, I would like to sum up some of the more questionable attitudes and arguments which I have witnessed most frequently from the “other side” about this concept. Indeed, my purpose here is to catch not so much the specific arguments, but rather the general perspectives which are behind them, and which I believe to be wrong (that’s why I call them “fallacies” in the title).

So, here we go. First the whole list, then we analyze each individual point.

1. The fallacy of denying the objectivity of function.

2.  The fallacy of overemphasizing the role of generic function.

3. The fallacy of downplaying the role of specific function.

4. The fallacy of completely ignoring the highest form of function: the procedures.

I will deal with the first three issue in this post, and with the fourth in a later post.

1. The fallacy of denying the objectivity of function.

This attitude takes the form of an obstinate resistance to the concept itself of function, as though it were something which does not exist. So it happens that, as soon as we IDists start talking about functional specification, there is always someone on the other side ready to question: “Yes, but how do you define function?”. Or to argue that function is just a subjective concept, and that it has no role in science.

Many times I have simply answered: “Hey, just look at some protein database, like Uniprot. You will easily find, for each protein listed there, the voice: “Molecular function”. And usually there is one or more functions listed there. Is that bad science? Are you going to write to the people who run Uniprot asking them what do they mean by that word?”

rusty-185531_640The truth is that practically everybody understands perfectly what function means, and the attitude of denying the concept is just that: simple denial, motivated by the (correct) conviction that the concept itself of function is definitely ID friendly. .

However, the more sophisticated among our interlocutors will not deny function in such a gross way, but they will probably try to argue that the concept is obscure, vague, ill defined, and therefore not reliable. Here we find objections such as: “What do you mean exactly with the word?” or “To what kind of function do you refer?” or “Function can change according to how we define the context”. There is some truth in these thoughts, but in no way such objections are a real problem if we treat the concept of function correctly.

For example, in my previous post “Functional information defined” I have given the following definitions:

I will try to begin introducing two slightly different, but connected, concepts:

a) A function (for an object)

b) A functionality (in a material object)

I define a function for an object as follows:

a) If a conscious observer connects some observed object to some possible desired result which can be obtained using the object in a context, then we say that the conscious observer conceives of a function for that object.

b) If an object can objectively be used by a conscious observer to obtain some specific desired result in a certain context, according to the conceived function, then we say that the object has objective functionality, referred to the specific conceived function.

I will stick to those definitions.

So, function can be objectively defined, even if some reference to a conscious observer conceiving and recognizing it is always necessary.

It is perfectly true that different functions can be defined for the same object. There is no problem there. It is also true that functions can be stratified at different levels. Uniprot correctly lists “molecular functions”. So, for example, hexokinase has the molecular function of binding ATP and phosphorylating glucose or other hexoses, That is what I call the “local function”, the immediate biochemical effect of the molecule. But we can also say that the role of hexokinase is to start the glycolysis process and therefore contribute to the extraction of energy from food in the form of ATP, a role which would not be immediately obvious from the local function (which, instead, consumes ATP). This is a meta-function, because it describes the role of the enzyme in a wider context. We can say that the local function contributes to the meta-function.

In ID theory, local functions are specially interesting when we try to compute the functional complexity of a single protein. For that, we must refer to its immediate biochemical effect. But the meta-function is specially interesting too, when we try to analyze the complexity of a whole system of molecules, such as a protein cascades. In this kind of analysis, the concept of irreducible complexity is very important.

The important point is: denying function, or denying that it can be treated objectively in a scientific context, is a fallacy.

2.  The fallacy of overemphasizing the role of generic function.

This is generally what I call the concept of “any possible function”, which is so often invoked by darwinists as a reason to believe in the power of natural selection and of the neo-darwinian RV + NS algorithm.

The reasoning is more or less the following: as NS is not looking for anything particular, it will detect everything possible which is “useful”. IOWs, NS has no prejudices, and therefore it is very powerful, much more powerful of old good intelligent design, which is confined to intelligent options. That was one of Petrushka’s favourite arguments, but in different ways it has been proposed by many darwinist commentators here.

Now, I hate quoting myself again, but if you look at the above definscrapyardition of “function”, you will see that everything can be functional in some context. Function is not a rare thing, because, as already said:

If a conscious observer connects some observed object to some possible desired result which can be obtained using the object in a context, then we say that the conscious observer conceives of a function for that object.”

Now, as we can conceive of a lot of desires (that is certainly a very human prerogative), functions are very easy to get. In any context, we can use practically anything to obtain some result. That’s why I rarely throw away anything because, you know, “it could be useful, sooner or later”.

Does that reinforce the darwinist concept that “any possible function” is relevant?

Not at all. Quite the contrary. Just because possible functions are everywhere, it is easy to see that only some specific functions are really relevant in a specific context.

home-office-336377_640So, if I go to my attic, I can maybe find some use for any kind of junk that I may find there. But, if I happen to find a forgotten working computer there, I can certainly use it in a very specific way.

So, I would say that there is a great difference between finding some piece of wood which could perhaps be adapted to some use, and finding a working computer. The piece of wood is an example of “any possible function”, while the computer is an example of specific, complex function.

And, as anyone should understand, even if I find 1000 pieces of wood in my attic, that will not give me a working computer. IOWs, simple generic functions do not naturally add to a complex specific function.

So, why am I saying that darwinists tend to overemphasize the role of generic function?  The reason is simple: generic function is all they have, all they can deal with. Their only “engine of variation”, which is RV, can only, at best, generate simple generic function, nothing more. So, what do we do when we have only such and such?   We overemphasize the importance of such and such. Not because it is important, but because it is the only thing we have. An old fallacy, but always a common one.

3. The fallacy of downplaying the role of specific function.

The simple truth is that, especially in a system which is already complex, functional changes usually require complex interventions. Indeed, the addition of a truly new function to an existing complex system requires not only the complexity implicit in the function itself, but also the complexity necessary to integrate the new function in the existing system.

As already said, in the biological context there are two different ways to look at functions: what I call the “local function”, IOWs, the immediate biochemical activity of the molecule, and the “meta-functions”, IOWs, the general results of the activity of that molecule in the whole system.

Let’s take a molecule as an example: ATP synthase. A classic.

It is a very good example, because:

a) It is a very old molecule, already present in LUCA, before the archaea-bacteria divergence, almost 4 billion years ago.

b) It is a very complex molecule: it is made of two different parts, F0 and F1, each of them made of many subunits, and each subunit is a complex protein.

c) It is a very functional protein, indeed a wonderful molecular machine which transforms a proton gradient into stored biochemical energy in the form of ATP, working very much like a mill.old-windmill-96688_640

d) It is a very conserved protein. Let’s take only the subunits alpha and beta, which make most of the F1 part. a multiple alignment between: the human protein, the archaea protein (methanosarcina barkeri) and the bacterial protein (E. coli) showed 176 identities for the alpha subunit and 202 identities for the beta subunit. A total of 378 perfectly conserved aminoacid positions in just two of the many subunits of the molecule, along the whole tree of life.

e) Its local function is very clear: it synthesizes ATP from the energy derived from a proton gradient, transforming the flow of H+ ions into a mechanical rotation which in turn couples the phosphate molecule to ADP.

f) Its meta-function is equally clear: it generates the energy substrate which makes all cellular life possible: ATP.

Now, 378 identities after about 4 billion years during which all possible neutral mutations had time to happen mean just one thing: those 378 AAs must be there, and they must be what they are for the molecule to work.

This is a very good example of a very specific and complex function. In a complex context (cellular life), where the function is useful because there are a lot of individual processes whic h depend on ATP to exist. It is not the piece of wood in the attic. It is a supercomputer, an amazing molecular machine.

Well, are darwinists  curious, concerned or worried because of such specific complex functions which can be found in the old attic of OOL? Not at all. They are confident that they can be readily dealt with. There is an appropriate tool, usually called “the just so story”. For a good example, just read the Wikipedia section about ATP synthase, the part under “Evolution of ATP synthase”. Have fun.

The problem is: complex functional proteins simply cannot be explained. So, why should we think that they must be explained? After all, we can find so many generic functions in our attic: small variations in a gene which can give antibiotic resistance through one or two AA mutations, small changes in the affinity of an existing esterase which confer a nylonase activity through a couple of mutations, the selective spread in specific populations of the heterozigote state of drepanocytosis (one mutation) which gives some resistance to malaria. With all those good pieces of wood which can be used to fix some old chair, who cares about those stunning supercomputers which crowd our attic? They are just there, let’s not be fastidious about the details.

Well, that’s enough for the moment. We will discuss the “procedures” fallacy in next post.

 

 

 

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Piotr: Welcome to the discussion to you too. You ask:
Just out of curiosity: shown by whom, where, and how? Care to share some references?
Sure. After my discussions with Zachriel, a few years ago, I decided to understand better the issue of nylonase, which continued to occasionally surface in the debate as an example of a new proteins originated by the "blind jump" of a frameshift mutation, according to Ono's old theory (1984). I was really a surprise to find, in Wikipedia, a very simple statement which said: "A 2007 paper that described a series of studies by a team led by Seiji Negoro of the University of Hyogo, Japan, suggested that in fact no frameshift mutation was involved in the evolution of the 6-aminohexanoic acid hydrolase." The paper is the following: "Nylon-oligomer Degrading Enzyme/Substrate Complex: Catalytic Mechanism of 6-Aminohexanoate-dimer Hydrolase" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022283607005347 From the abstract: "Amino acid substitutions reducing the enzyme/Ald interaction at positions 181 or 170 drastically decreased the Ald-hydrolytic activity, but had very little effect on esterolytic activity, suggesting that esterolytic reaction proceeds regardless of conversion. Present models illustrate why new activity against the nylon oligomer has evolved in an esterase with ?-lactamase folds, while retaining the original esterolytic functions." There are amny other more recent papers from the same tema, for example this one of 2010: "X-ray crystallographic analysis of the 6-aminohexanoate cyclic dimer hydrolase: catalytic mechanism and evolution of an enzyme responsible for nylon-6 byproduct degradation." http://www.jbc.org/content/285/2/1239.full.pdf Some passages:
NylA is classified as an amidase signature (AS) superfamily protein, characterized by the presence of a conserved stretch of ?130 amino acid residues (AS sequence) (8,–,21). AS superfamily enzymes are widely distributed among microorganisms, animals, and plants; they are involved in various biological functions, including transamidation of misacylated Glu-tRNAGln (8, 9), formation of the plant hormone indoleacetic acid (10, 11), and hydrolysis of malonamide (12, 13), fatty acid amides (14, 15), and peptide amides (16, 17). In addition, amidases from Rhodococcus rhodochrous and Sulfolobus solfataricus possess nitrilase activity, catalyzing the cleavage of the carbon-nitrogen triple bond in a nitrile (18, 19). Recently, NylA from Arthrobacter was also shown to exhibit 98% homology to ?-laurolactam hydrolase from Rhodococcus (dbj|BAG70960.1|), Cupriavidus (dbj|BAH09869.1|), and Sphingomonas (dbj|BAH09872.1|), which are potentially used for production of 12-aminolauryl acid (material for nyon-12 production) (20). Moreover, NylA is closely related to an aryl acylamidase from Nocardia farcinica, which cleaves the amide bond in a polyamide model compound (adipic acid bishexylamide) and the ester bond in bis(benzoyloxyethyl)terephthalate and increases the hydrophilicity of polyamide 6 (21). Thus, from fundamental, industrial, and environmental points of view, it would be interesting to know the structural factors that determine the unique substrate specificity of NylA recognizing a cyclic amide compound having 6-aminohexanoate as a monomeric unit.
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Present x-ray crystallographic analysis revealed that NylA is classified as a member of the AS superfamily and utilizes the distinct catalytic triad Ser-cis-Ser-Lys. Although NylA possesses broad specificity for carboxylesters, we estimate that the unique substrate specificity of NylA recognizing the nylon-6 byproduct should be achieved by incorporating amino acid residues responsible for Acd-binding while utilizing the common Ser-cis-Ser-Lys catalytic triad conserved in the AS superfamily. Thus, the new enzyme acting on the nylon-6 byproduct seems to diverge from ancestral proteins to create families composed of highly specialized enzymes. In malonamidase E2 (MAE2, an AS family enzyme), the catalytic activity is drastically decreased by R158E and R158Q mutations, and the kcat value of the R158K mutant is similar to that of wild type with a Km value increased by 100-fold (13). In Hyb-24DN, Asp181-COO? is responsible for electrostatic stabilization of Ald-NH3+, and D181K and D181H substitutions decreased the activity by >10,000-fold (37, 38). In contrast to the drastic effect by electrostatic stabilization, D370Y substitution in NylB?-type carboxylesterase (Hyb-24) increased the Ald hydrolytic activity by 8.2-fold, concomitant with formation of a hydrogen bond with substrate Ald. Thus, we roughly estimate that the energetic contribution of a hydrogen bond contributes a ?10-fold difference in binding affinity (39,–,41). However, the “improvements” in NylA activity caused by substitution at position 316 are extremely modest. We suggest that that the effects of amino acid substitution at the Acd-binding sites in NylA are summarized as follows: (i) Even if the hydrogen bond at Acd-N7 is eliminated, close contact with the substrate and inner surface of the protein molecule still stably holds the substrate inside the globular protein. (ii) Because of the inflexible compact structure of Acd trapped in the catalytic cleft, amino acid substitutions interacting at the uncleaved site (Acd-N7) affect the suitable positioning of the cleaved site (Acd-C1/Acd-N14) against the catalytic residues, resulting in the decrease in kcat. (iii) Substitution of Cys316 to a bulky/polar residue (Glu, Asp, Asn, and Lys), located at the entrance of the catalytic cleft, has a negative effect on the incorporation of the substrate into the catalytic cleft, resulting in a decrease in enzyme activity. In particular, replacement to acidic residues (Glu and Asp) significantly decreases the activity, probably because of an electrostatic effect. Finally, it should be noted that plasmid-encoded NylA from Arthrobacter and Pseudomonas and ?-laurolactam hydrolase from Rhodococcus, Cupriavidus, and Sphingomonas exhibit 98–99% overall homology, although these strains have been isolated independently and classified as different genera. These results may imply that the nylA-related genes have been recently distributed among microorganisms in the course of evolution, probably by plasmid-mediated gene transfer (4,–,7, 35, 36).
A few years ago, after a friendly solicitation from Paul Giem, I made myself some analysis of the old Ono paper. I reconstructed the sequence which Ono believed to be the "ancestor protein" transformed into nylonase by a frameshift event, and blasted it, finding that that sequence had no homology to any known protein. IOWs, the "ancestral protein" hypothesized by Ono never existed. On the contrary, nylonase is derived from well known ancestral proteins with similar biochemical activity, by simple AA substitutions. It is a very good case of adaptation of substrate specificity driven by the plasmidic system, but certainly not the frameshift miracle event that still some darwinist propaganda claims, in spite of all that is known today.gpuccio
June 30, 2014
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Gpuccio:
That is the fallacy of “”overemphasizing the role of generic function”. Don’t tell me that the importance of nylonase has not been “overemphasized” by darwinists. I still remember Zachriel trying to convince me that it was a result of a frameshift mutation, according to Ono’s fanciful theory, years after it had been already shown that it was not true. And Zachriel is one of the best.
Just out of curiosity: shown by whom, where, and how? Care to share some references?Piotr
June 29, 2014
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Hi Mark, It's great to discuss with you again! Thank you for giving me the chance to clarify better what I think. 1) Regarding the definition of function, you ask:
Who is doing the desiring and isn’t their desire subjective?
You can find a more complete discussion about my concept of functional information in my previous post: "Functional information defined" https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/functional-information-defined/ My point is that function arises in consciousness, so it is an objective content of a subjective consciousness. A true function is a functionality in a designed object, an objective arrangement generated by an agent to satisfy a subjective purpose. The objectivity of the functionality in the object is in the simple fact that the object can really be used to satisfy that objective desire. The problem, in the design inference, is simply to distinguish between objects which were really designed to satisfy a desire, and objects which could satisfy a desire, but were never designed for that. To be more clear, a stone can satisfy the desire for a paperweight, but was not designed for that. A glass paperweight, manufactured for that purpose, is an example of true designed functionality. So, to infer design, we have to distinguish between functionality which was not designed (the stone) and functionality which was designed (the glass paperweight). As you certainly know, only one added parameter can allow that distinction, and make the design inference safe: that parameter is functional complexity, the complexity necessary to implement the defined function. Complex functional objects are always designed, and dFSCI has 100% specificity in recognizing true design. We have discussed that many times, and you should be familiar with the concepts, even if I know well that you don't agree. However, thank you for offering a confirmation of the attitude I described: "However, the more sophisticated among our interlocutors will not deny function in such a gross way, but they will probably try to argue that the concept is obscure, vague, ill defined, and therefore not reliable." 2) Regarding "overemphasizing the role of generic function", you say:
It might help if you gave a specific example of someone committing that fallacy. I think we all recognise that a function can be described in very specific or broader terms. But what does it mean to overemphasize one or the other?
I am afraid Iyou have misunderstood, but it is probably my fault, for choosing to use the words "generic" and "specific" instead of "simple" and "complex". However, the context should be clear. By "generic function" I mean the vague concept of "any possible function which can randomly arise", and that necessarily means "simple function". The example of the piece of wood should be clear. As we can find some simple use for practically anything, so darwinist can easily hypothesize that random mutations can be of some functional utility, even in the complex context of conferring some reproductive advantage, a context defined by the theory of NS. We know that those "useful" mutations are rare, but yes, they do exist. I have also given some examples: antibiotic resistance (the simple type), sickle cell disease and malaria, and the famous nylonase, recently revived here. Now, the fallacy is not in affirming that these cases of "molecular microevolution" exist. They do exist. The fallacy is in giving them a role that they cannot have: the role of demonstrating that complex function can arise in a stepwise path, utilizing those simple cases as "bridges". That is the fallacy of ""overemphasizing the role of generic function". Don't tell me that the importance of nylonase has not been "overemphasized" by darwinists. I still remember Zachriel trying to convince me that it was a result of a frameshift mutation, according to Ono's fanciful theory, years after it had been already shown that it was not true. And Zachriel is one of the best. :) And do you remember the long denial, on your side, of my arguments about the complete absence of functional intermediates for the generation of basic protein domains, with you and all your friends denying in one way or another that there was any reason to expect that those intermediates should have left any trace of their existence? You will not agree, as you did not agree then, but i am just trying to show you what the fallacy is, in my humble opinion. 3) Regarding "downplaying the role of specific function", you ask if that is different from the previous fallacy. It is. Here, the problem is simply that you (darwinists) ignore a problem which is as big as the whole universe. You want an example? I have given an example. ATP synthase. I could have given thousands of other examples. Obviously, I have chosen one of the best, but the others would be good too. So, what do darwinists, so ready to celebrate the two mutations which probably gave rise to nylonase, think of the (at least) 378 precise mutations necessary to give rise to ATP synthase (indeed, to part of it)? They think nothing. They just ignore the problem. I have ashed recently that question to Piotr (another one of the best). I ask it to you (another one of the best). Do you agree that we must try to answer those 2000 big problems which are the protein superfamilies, instead of just accepting that a failed theory which cannot explain them should, sooner or later, make the miracle? Two different fallacies: giving a lot of importance to simple events which cannot mean what you would like them to mean, and giving no importance to complex events which do mean what you definitely don't like them to mean. OK, the two fallacies are connected by a common denominator, the commitment to a wrong ideology, but still they are different and separate.gpuccio
June 29, 2014
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Querius: Thank you for the thoughts. Great stuff! :)gpuccio
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Gpuccio   Your posts are usually interesting so I read this with some care. I have to say that at the end I am genuinely confused as to what the fallacies are.    I just about get “denying the objectivity of function” – although it is weird to insist function is objective and then define it  
If a conscious observer connects some observed object to some possible desired result which can be obtained using the object in a context, then we say that the conscious observer conceives of a function for that object
Who is doing the desiring and isn’t their  desire subjective? Nevertheless I accept that in living things we can often identify one or more functions of some part that contribute to the well-being of the organism and which are objectively accepted as doing so in practice. I struggle to understand the fallacy of overemphasizing the role of generic function. It might help if you gave a specific example of someone committing that fallacy. I think we all recognise that a function can be described in very specific or broader terms. But what does it mean to overemphasize one or the other? How does the fallacy of downplaying the role of specific function differ from the fallacy of overemphasizing the role of generic function? I struggle to understand both but they sound like very much the same thing. It would really help to give actual examples of someone committing these fallacies.Mark Frank
June 29, 2014
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I really appreciated the proximity of the photos of the junk yard with the laptop. You might ask hardware and software engineers how one can get from the junk to a functioning laptop by a series of small steps, each step performing a valuable function for the Darwinian sales environment. The first step might be a doorstop, the second a place to hold papers between the hinged halves, a light to illuminate a room at night comes next, and pretty soon you get the internet. Engineers would roll their eyes at the suggestion (not to mention the marketing and sales folks), adding the comment that the darwinian theorist has absolutely no idea just how much the theorist is underestimating the technology, intricacy, and design incorporated into functioning laptop (not to mention the challenge of finishing one that's incomplete or broken). Nevertheless, the darwinian theorist strikes back with deep time, chance, competition and death. Absolutely any and every function can appear given billions of years, chance formation and recombination, competition, and death. The hardware and software could even heal itself in time under randomizing forces such as radiation, collision, and heat if tied into a system that provides competitive filtering or ratcheting---the merciless extinction of the weak. Anything could be explained through these forces. The Greek philosophers might have concocted a mythical argument in which Chronos, Tyche, Agon, and Hades argue that they alone should receive worship, and that Athena should be excluded from Olympus. To defeat Athena, they create a monster so powerful that it defeats and devours all others, but Athena hides from it. Finding no more food, the monster devours its offspring and starves to death. Athena then comes out of hiding and designs a balanced and stable ecosystem, a nearly impossible task. The other gods mock Athena, criticizing her work, but Athena's design endures. -QQuerius
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JDH, In your comment # 1, the first paragraph seems to conclude with a paraphrasing of Proverbs 26:11Dionisio
June 29, 2014
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Dionisio: It's beautiful to find the good friends here! Writing is unfortunately time consuming, and it is not always easy to find the time... However, it is really fun! :)gpuccio
June 29, 2014
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So glad to see a new article from GPuccio! Eccellente mio caro Dottore! Mile grazie! Excellent way to end June on a high note. Now, let's chew and digest this interesting material Dr. GP has written here.Dionisio
June 29, 2014
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JDH: Thank you for your comments. I hope there can be some discussion about these issues, which are rather basic. I agree with you that ID is naturally the strongest position (it has the remarkable advantage that it corresponds to truth :) ). So, in a sense I feel bad for our interlocutors: I would never want to be in their shoes!gpuccio
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I admit my bias completely. I believe God created the heavens and the earth. But I just don't see any holes in this argument. gpuccio - IMHO what you have shown is that the anti-IDists not only engage in fallacious arguments, but they continue to come back to them again and again. Thanks for your clear explanations. I really am interested in seeing a response from your critics ( wd400 and Piotr in particular ). I don't see how they can respond without resorting back to these fallacies. Based on my understanding, their continual reliance on fallacious arguments, and their continual return to them, is a good indication they are not arguing from a strong position. They have chosen the position that there is no evidence for ID, and they dare not "... let a divine foot in the door."JDH
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