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Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language.

Ludwig Wittgenstein, 1953, aphorism 109

My recent exchanges with Jeffrey Shallit illustrate this aphorism. Our disagreement is not over the substance of the matter. Instead, our disagreement hinges on Shallit’s abuse of language to make a trivial point. Shallit and I disagreed over whether an excerpt from Hamlet’s soliloquy could be considered “random” in any meaningful sense of that word. In the course of that exchange Shallit said this:

Barry, and all ID advocates, need to understand one basic point. It’s one that Wesley Elsberry and I have been harping about for years. Here it is: the opposite of ‘random’ is not ‘designed’.

The problem with Shallit’s assertion is that neither he nor Wesley Elsberry get to decide what “random” means. In linguistic theory words acquire meaning in a language by convention among the speakers of that language, not by diktat, and as I will demonstrate below, in the English language “random” does in fact mean the opposite of “design.”

In order to determine whether “random” is the opposite of “design” we must first establish what those two words mean. Wikipedia defines “random” as follows:

Randomness means lack of pattern or predictability in events. Randomness suggests a non-order or non-coherence in a sequence of symbols or steps, such that there is no intelligible pattern or combination.

Thus, a random string of text is one in which there is no intelligible order, coherence, or pattern.

Webster’s Dictionary defines “design” as follows:

1. to prepare the preliminary sketch or the plans for (a work to be executed), especially to plan the form and structure of;
2. to plan and fashion artistically or skillfully;
3. to intend for a definite purpose;

Any string of text that results from “design” will definitely have an intelligible order or pattern.

Therefore, Shallit is wrong. “Random” is in fact the opposite of “designed.”

Shallit insists, however, that Hamlet is in fact “random” as that term is used in algorithmic information theory. For what he means by this, Wikipedia again:

Algorithmic information theory studies, among other topics, what constitutes a random sequence. The central idea is that a string of bits is random if and only if it is shorter than any computer program that can produce that string (Kolmogorov randomness)—this means that random strings are those that cannot be compressed.

In his first post Shallit ran both a string of keyboard banging gibberish and Hamlet through a computer program,

If we want to test this [i.e. randomness] in a quantitative sense, we can use a lossless compression scheme such as gzip, an implementation of Lempel-Ziv. A truly random file will not be significantly compressible, with very very high probability. So a good test of randomness is simply to attempt to compress the file and see if it is roughly the same size as the original. The larger the produced file, the more random the original string was.

Here are the results. String #1 is of length 502, using the ‘wc’ program. (This also counts characters like the carriage returns separating the lines.) String #2 is of length 545.

Using gzip on Darwin OS on my Mac, I get the following results: string #1 compresses to a file of size 308 and string #2 compresses to a file of size 367. String #2’s compressed version is bigger and therefore more random than string #1: exactly the opposite of what Arrington implied!

What is going on here? Despite the facetious title of my third post Shallit is not barking mad. Nor is he stupid. Why on earth would an obviously intelligent person write a sentence like “[Hamlet’s] compressed version is bigger and therefore more random than [gibberish]”?

Please see the Wittgenstein quotation above. The simple and obvious fact of the matter is that the string from Hamlet does not conform to the English word “random” to even the slightest degree. The string was carefully designed. Therefore, it has zero randomness. Hence, it cannot be “more random” than any string of text that displays any randomness whatsoever. Certainly it cannot be “more random” than a string of gibberish. But in his eagerness to discredit my analysis, Shallit lost sight of that fact. In short, he lost the battle against the bewitchment of his intelligence by means of language.

Sure, the compressed version of Hamlet is bigger than the compressed version of gibberish. And if one insists on defining relative randomness in terms of relative compressibility Hamlet is “more random.” Here’s the problem with that approach. It is glaringly obvious that Hamlet is not in any degree “random” whatsoever as that word is used by English speakers. Therefore, by its very nature it is not subject to a relative randomness analysis except to the extent one observes that it is totally non-random and any string that is even partially random is therefore more random. So what did Shallit accomplish when he insisted that under his esoteric definition of “random” Hamlet is “more random” than gibberish? He made a trivial mathematical point, and in the process made himself look foolish.

My advice to Shallit. Next time you are fighting Wittgenstein’s battle against the bewitchment of your intelligence by means of language, fight harder.

Comments
E.Seigner:
Funny how ID is supposed to be science, but as soon as something gets actually measured, ID theorists are horrified. Let them dig their hole deeper. I’ve been laughing for weeks already.
You're projecting again.Mung
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BA:
The issue of ciphers vis-a-vis design detection has been addressed dozens of times on these pages. You can go back and read those or one of Dembski’s books where he addresses it.
Many things have been discussed, but only few issues have been settled. So, what's your take: is "4ad9;SdaodDajdjad9;Sdjfijdvsdjf;dHJ;sjvaD5pf;jf;od’jvsd2a98;odvDdjf;d3vDVdjadsJgg;o..." gibberish or is it Hamlet - or something else?DiEb
October 9, 2014
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DiEb @ 50. The issue of ciphers vis-a-vis design detection has been addressed dozens of times on these pages. You can go back and read those or one of Dembski's books where he addresses it.Barry Arrington
October 9, 2014
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Ignore my gibberish above :-) How do you decide which strings are gibberish, and which may be not?DiEb
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@Silver Asiatic So, how do you conclude that Barry's first string is gibberish? The term "asd" appears 16 times in it, the terms "vioja" three times (ignoring capitalization). How do you conclude that there is no "rule-base method of encryption", which maps this string onto something which is obviously not gibberish? How do you decided which strings are gibberish, and which should may be not?DiEb
October 9, 2014
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DiEb 50 The term Sdjads appears 4 times in the text. Sure, you can try to obscure the underlying message but if you had a rule-based method for encryption, then with enough work it could be re-mapped to Shakespeare.Silver Asiatic
October 9, 2014
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What is the probability that the sequence of characters "sleep" will appear in a random text of 523 characters? X = length of a search string N = size of the alphabet in symbols Y = length of the random string X = 5 N = 32 (26 letters plus punctuation) Y = 523 =((1/N)^X)^(Y - X + 1) =((1/32)^5)^519 Which is about 1 in 3 million chances. The text "sleep" appeared 5 times in text #2 and zero times in text #1. But apparently, some people think that text #2 is more random than the gibberish. ... and we're looking for repetition of pattern, not a single unique string.
A pattern represents a discernible regularity in the world or in manmade designs. In the prescriptive point of view, a pattern is a template from which instances can be created; while in the descriptive point of view, the elements of a pattern that repeat in a predictable manner can be observed and recognised. Cyberpatterns: Towards a Pattern Oriented Study of Cyberspace http://www.amazon.com/Cyberpatterns-Unifying-Design-Patterns-Security/dp/331904446X
... identifying patterns (design) of network attacks, scientists look for correlation between known patterns and sample data.
Detection technologies have matured over time, and greater depth and breadth of information is available for analysis, typically enriched with metadata and contextual information. Examples of such datasets include: attack events (honeynet logs), network traces, and web crawler logs.
Silver Asiatic
October 9, 2014
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#59 Tim
I accept that your admission that my interpretation of the PI is rather controversial is the closest you will come to admitting it is true.
Unless you produce some evidence to support your case - you bet it is the closest I will come to admitting it is true.Mark Frank
October 9, 2014
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DiEB: Put another way, do you not recognize that your...
4ad9;SdaodDajdjad9;Sdjfijdvsdjf;dHJ;sjvaD5 pf;jf;od’jvsd2a98;odvDdjf;d3vDVdjadsJgg;o 4f;d68vDLsdiDVdkooaZsdagdaJjoiL;aJsdXaojJD;S 7odjadji0;dko3sdiLivDsjdid6;idagdjoaJ98;sS kDVd9OdaFFasvDLSd;DVdjf;3Kd4adVv;Sdjads8;;F5 2ad3ao;IdiDVd9Odids8;;FSdjadsiOdZ;d;DV 4f;d:;iojPiAf;SdiDVdjf;djfaJsiDVd2ijJoi8dsfaA0s 4fijdX8;sfdvsdf;vodjaKdw4vsdidAaDsJ33ijvaD n;eaJj8Odjad9;dZvsf;Vud4adVv;Sdjads8;;FS 4ads8;;FSdF;oAfiDA;djadno;i3IdkO;Sdjf;o;’sdjf;doJ9S XaodvDdjfijds8;;FdagdV;ijfSdZfijdVo;i3sd3iOdAa3;S pf;DdZ;dfie;dsfJgg8;Vdaggdjfvsd3aoji8dAav8S
...has the same specificity as Shakespeare's...
To be, or not to be, that is the question— Whether ’tis Nobler in the mind to suffer The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune, Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles, And by opposing, end them? To die, to sleep— No more; and by a sleep, to say we end The Heart-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks That Flesh is heir to? ‘Tis a consummation Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep, To sleep, perchance to Dream; Aye, there’s the rub, For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come, When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Both are extremely fragile to change in that random variations will destroy their ability to continue to function as either poetic soliloquy or encoded poetic soliloquy. Even more, neither are likely to have been produced by Tim's or any other TYPE GIBBERISH program over the known history of the universe.Phinehas
October 9, 2014
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DiEB
Looks a lot like your first string – so is it gibberish?
Of course not. Encoded Hamlet is still Hamlet. You've merely layered more design onto it by creating a code that, by design, superficially obscures the original.Phinehas
October 9, 2014
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@Tim, it is easy to enumerate all strings up to length ca. 500 in alphabetical order. Virtually all of them will be less complex than B. Arrington's string #1 (see my comment at #22). So, that would be a very short code which produces "gibberish" with a probability of nearly 1. So, what is your point. @BA, could you answer my questions in my comment #50? Thanks!DiEb
October 9, 2014
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E Seigner:
And all the posts are about the meaning of random,
Well that is the issue. Duh
re-defining it so as to make the strings unmeasurable,
Is that what you think? Really?
whereas in the original context we were precisely talking about measuring them – and Shallit actually did the measuring.
And he proved what can happen when someone on an agenda has at a problem. The Hamlet snippet was definitely planned and as such not random. And any methodology that says it is more random than haphazard typing is obviously being misapplied. And what is sad is that you can't grasp any of that.Joe
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MF@47, Thank you. I accept that your admission that my interpretation of the PI is rather controversial is the closest you will come to admitting it is true. I will not be extending this rabbit trail any further. E.Seigner@48, Your attempt to sidetrack the conversation through carefully worded statements will not help your cause.
During my months here, no ID theorist has measured anything here, despite constant claims that FSCO/I can be measured. The only one who measured anything is Shallit.
While the first part of the statement is putatively true (i.e. we don’t measure things here on this site, the second part is demonstrably false. Shallit is not the only person who has measured anything (esp. code related to ID claims and KC.) . . . not to mention the notion (which you refuse to address!) that his measurement was wrongheaded! I don’t know how to write code efficiently, but I know that computer scientists, if they wanted to, could write a code that punched up a string of gibberish equal in length with the soliloquy that compresses far more than that of the code for the soliloquy. Do you deny this? I find it undeniable, but that’s just me. Why do you continue to push this? DiEB@50 Thank you so much for supporting my point about the smuggling of specificity. Now all we have to do is write a sufficiently short code that produces gibberish, and wait for it to produce the soliloquy or its coded form! I'll get the code started if you promise to round up the monkeys and typewriters!Tim
October 9, 2014
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E.Seigner Do you believe that “[Hamlet is . . .] more random than [gibberish]”? If so, there is no point in attempting to reason with you.Barry Arrington
October 9, 2014
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RObb,
that would betray a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between mathematics and reality.
Like when Shallit did some math and said “[Hamlet is . . .] more random than [gibberish]”?Barry Arrington
October 9, 2014
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Barry:
Hamlet was not created by means of a stochastic process.
Actually, stochastic processes are useful models for natural language production. (See here, for example.) And I trust that you won't reply with "Modeling Shakespeare as a stochastic process doesn't mean that he actually is a stochastic process," as that would betray a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between mathematics and reality.R0bb
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Silver Asiatic
Non-ID scientists are measuring data to detect design. LOL. Let’s hear you claim that what they’re doing is impossible.
They measured randomness. You said they did it wrong. Meanwhile, you measure nothing at all, neither correcting nor refuting them. See Barry. What is this, fifth or so post against Shallit? And all the posts are about the meaning of random, re-defining it so as to make the strings unmeasurable, whereas in the original context we were precisely talking about measuring them - and Shallit actually did the measuring. If he did it wrong, where is the correction? I cannot say if he did it right or wrong and if all his conclusions are justified, but I can surely see who is actually backing up their claims.E.Seigner
October 9, 2014
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E Seigner:
After my few months here I am beginning to get the impression that the claims about FSCO/I measurements could be empty…
Your few months here have proven that you are empty. Strange that functionally specific information has been measured wrt biology and in peer-review.Joe
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It’s always the non-IDists doing any actual science here.
Non-ID scientists are measuring data to detect design. LOL. Let's hear you claim that what they're doing is impossible.Silver Asiatic
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If Shallit measured wrong,
Talk about laughing … if you haven't embarrassed yourself enough by now, I guess you never will. "If" he measured wrong? He concluded that Hamlet was more random than the other string. I guess you're uncertain about that.
then go ahead and do it better
You might try reading some of the comments on this topic. Mark Frank used historical-science to indicate that the Hamlet text was not the product of one author. Anti-ID commenter DiEb offered this measurement showing the design characteristics of string 1: DiEb #10
I don’t think so – codebreaker love that stuff: it can be valuable knowledge that in a string which is claimed to be random, “;as” is always followed by “d”, that the letters b,q,t,y,z won’t appear, that capital letters and numbers come in groups, or that the most common letter (“d/D”) – 13% of the text! – is preceded in more than 50% of all occurrences by (“s/S”)…
Silver Asiatic
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Exactly, Silver Asiatic. It's always the non-IDists doing any actual science here. Noted yet again.E.Seigner
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BA: Have a look at this string:
4ad9;SdaodDajdjad9;Sdjfijdvsdjf;dHJ;sjvaD5 pf;jf;od’jvsd2a98;odvDdjf;d3vDVdjadsJgg;o 4f;d68vDLsdiDVdkooaZsdagdaJjoiL;aJsdXaojJD;S 7odjadji0;dko3sdiLivDsjdid6;idagdjoaJ98;sS kDVd9OdaFFasvDLSd;DVdjf;3Kd4adVv;Sdjads8;;F5 2ad3ao;IdiDVd9Odids8;;FSdjadsiOdZ;d;DV 4f;d:;iojPiAf;SdiDVdjf;djfaJsiDVd2ijJoi8dsfaA0s 4fijdX8;sfdvsdf;vodjaKdw4vsdidAaDsJ33ijvaD n;eaJj8Odjad9;dZvsf;Vud4adVv;Sdjads8;;FS 4ads8;;FSdF;oAfiDA;djadno;i3IdkO;Sdjf;o;’sdjf;doJ9S XaodvDdjfijds8;;FdagdV;ijfSdZfijdVo;i3sd3iOdAa3;S pf;DdZ;dfie;dsfJgg8;Vdaggdjfvsd3aoji8dAav8S
Looks a lot like your first string - so is it gibberish? OTOH, it's the quote from Hamlet, only that I encoded it using a substitution cypher (" "->"d", "e"->";","o"->"a"). As I replaced the most common letter of #2 by the most common letter of #1, the second most common of #2 by the second most common of #1 etc., the string appears to be similar to string #1. So, is this string more or less random (or more or less complex) than your string #2? What information does it contain? How does it compare to string #1?DiEb
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If Shallit measured wrong,</blockquote. Talk about laughing ... if you haven't embarrassed yourself enough by now, I guess you never will. "If" he measured wrong? He concluded that Hamlet was more random than the other string. I guess you're uncertain about that.
then go ahead and do it better
You might try reading some of the comments on this topic. Mark Frank used historical-science to indicate that the Hamlet text was not the product of one author. Anti-ID commenter DiEb offered this measurement showing the design characteristics of string 1: DiEb #10
I don’t think so – codebreaker love that stuff: it can be valuable knowledge that in a string which is claimed to be random, “;as” is always followed by “d”, that the letters b,q,t,y,z won’t appear, that capital letters and numbers come in groups, or that the most common letter (“d/D”) – 13% of the text! – is preceded in more than 50% of all occurrences by (“s/S”)…
Silver Asiatic
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Tim
Now, I am don’t blame E.S for not pointing out that the measurements are wrong; it is not really his job. So I will go ahead and do it. The measurements were wrong. Mere assertion? I don’t think so. First, although E.S characterized BA’s defense as “whining”, it was not. BA merely pointed out that the form of the measurement does not correspond to reality. Second, as I’ve alluded to in a couple of posts, one in a previous OP and once here @7, measurements of strings for randomness is NOT THE SAME as measurements of the (most compressed) codes that could have produced them. Ok, although I do not blame E.S for not describing the problems with the measurements himself, I now ask him to address the issue of compressibility — not of the strings, but of the sources that could have produce them.
Now, I don't blame Tim for not knowing the original context where the strings first came up. Instead, I will helpfully tell him. The strings came up specifically in the context where we were arguing about how to measure the designedness of things. During my months here, no ID theorist has measured anything here, despite constant claims that FSCO/I can be measured. The only one who measured anything is Shallit. If Shallit measured wrong, then go ahead and do it better, but all Barry has done is quibble about the meaning of "random". He has had weeks of time to actually measure the strings. It's been claimed all along ID theory scientifically measures such cases, so why not actually do it in practice for a change? After my few months here I am beginning to get the impression that the claims about FSCO/I measurements could be empty...E.Seigner
October 9, 2014
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#37 Tim I meant every word I wrote. Your interpretation of the PI is rather controversial - perhaps you could provide a few quotes to substantiate it?Mark Frank
October 9, 2014
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MF @ 45. The use of the quotation marks around "the" was intended to make it equivalent to "the only." But if it makes you feel better to score cheap rhetorical points, by all means be my guest.Barry Arrington
October 9, 2014
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Barry from the OP:
as I will demonstrate below, in the English language “random” does in fact mean the opposite of “design.”
Barry from his subsequent comment:
I never said that “designed” is “the” opposite of “random.”
Mark Frank
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Tim #7
When Barry sat down to type out the gibberish, he didn’t really have to land on the gibberish that we all saw in the previous OP, so why did Shallit run that particular string for K’s compressibility?
Great point and yet another chance for us to marvel at the incredible stupidity of the anti-ID position in this case.
Shouldn’t he [Shallit] have produced a code for writing gibberish of a similar length as the soliloquy then checked that new code’s (compressed) length against that of the soliloquy?
Exactly. Mr. Shallit's game-playing and obfuscation is made clear with this. It he running in fear, as many have suggested (and as we have seen with others who play the same game)? Shallit's point: "Barry's gibberish is not really random". Wow - there's a powerfully idiotic response that adds nothing. Did he win some points for himself? All Shallit had to do next was create a "truly random" string and match it against Hamlet. Some people call this kind of tactic "lying" and I always hesitated to use that term before since it is loaded with moral connotations ... but we're looking for a minimum of sincerity or honesty in ones work (and hopefully in our own). But hey, if ID-opponents what to expose themselves like this it is certainly amusing and educational.Silver Asiatic
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DiEb
It is the right tool for some purposes, e.g., it tells us that one shouldn’t take parts of Hamlet as a password, and neither generate a password the way B. Arrington did create his string.
I think this has been answered already but just to restate ... sure, it's the right tool for some things, but it clearly gave the wrong answer, so it's not the right tool to evaluate the important differences in those two strings.Silver Asiatic
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Phinehas@40, Thanks, and yes, I thought I was clear, and while posting @41, didn't see your post.Tim
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