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ID and Common Descent

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Many, many people seem to misunderstand the relationship between Intelligent Design and Common Descent. Some view ID as being equivalent to Progressive Creationism (sometimes called Old-Earth Creationism), others seeing it as being equivalent to Young-Earth Creationism. I have argued before that the core of ID is not about a specific theory of origins. In fact, many ID’ers hold a variety of views including Progressive Creationism and Young-Earth Creationism.

But another category that is often overlooked are those who hold to both ID and Common Descent, where the descent was purely naturalistic. This view is often considered inconsistent. My goal is to show how this is a consistent proposition.

I should start by noting that I do not myself hold to the Common Descent proposition. Nonetheless, I think that the relationship of ID to Common Descent has been misunderstood enough as to warrant some defense.

The issue is that most people understand common descent entirely from a Darwinian perspective. That is, they assume that the notion of natural selection and gradualism follow along closely to the notion of common descent. However, there is nothing that logically ties these together, especially if you allow for design.

In Darwinism, each feature is a selected accident. Therefore, Darwinian phylogenetic trees often use parsimony as a guide, meaning that it tries to construct a tree so that complex features don’t have to evolve more than once.

The ID version of common descent, however, doesn’t have to play by these rules. The ID version of common descent includes a concept known as frontloading – where the designer designed the original organism so that it would have sufficient information for its later evolution. If one allows for design, there is no reason to assume that the original organism must have been simple. It may in fact have been more complex than any existing organism. There are maximalist versions of this hypothesis, where the original organism had a superhuge genome, and minimalist versions of this hypothesis (such as from Mike Gene) where only the basic outlines of common patterns of pathways were present. Some have objected to the idea of a superhuge genome, on the basis that it isn’t biologically tenable. However, the amoeba has 100x the number of base pairs that a human has, so the carrying capacity of genetic information for a single-cell organism is quite large. I’m going to focus on views that tend towards the maximalist.

Therefore, because of this initial deposit, it makes sense that phylogenetic change would be sudden instead of gradual. If the genetic information already existed, or at least largely existed in the original organism, then time wouldn’t be the barrier for it to come about. It also means that multiple lineages could lead to the same result. There is no reason to think that there was one lineage that lead to tetrapods, for instance. If there were multiple lineages which all were carrying basically the same information, there is no reason why there weren’t multiple tetrapod lineages. It also explains why we find chimeras much more often than we find organs in transition. If the information was already in the genome, then the organ could come into existence all-at-once. It didn’t need to evolve, except to switch on.

Take the flagellum, for instance. Many people criticize Behe for thinking that the flagellum just popped into existence sometime in history, based on irreducible complexity. That is not the argument Behe is making. Behe’s point is that the flagellum, whenever it arose, didn’t arise through a Darwinian mechanism. Instead, it arose through a non-Darwinian mechanism. Perhaps all the components were there, waiting to be turned on. Perhaps there is a meta-language guided the piecing together of complex parts in the cell. There are numerous non-Darwinian evolutionary mechanisms which are possible, several of which have been experimentally demonstrated. [[NOTE – (I would define a mechanism as being non-Darwinian when the mechanism of mutation biases the mutational probability towards mutations which are potentially useful to the organism)]]

Behe’s actual view, as I understand it, actually pushes the origin of information back further. Behe believes that the information came from the original arrangement of matter in the Big Bang. Interestingly, that seems to comport well with the original conception of the Big Bang by LeMaitre, who described the universe’s original configuration as a “cosmic egg”. We think of eggs in terms of ontogeny – a child grows in a systematic fashion (guided by information) to become an adult. The IDists who hold to Common Descent often view the universe that way – it grew, through the original input of information, into an adult form. John A. Davison wrote a few papers on this possibility.

Thus the common ID claim of “sudden appearance” and “fully-formed features” are entirely consistent both with common descent (even fully materialistic) and non-common-descent versions of the theory, because the evolution is guided by information.

There are also interesting mixes of these theories, such as Scherer’s Basic Type Biology. Here, a limited form of common descent is taken, along with the idea that information is available to guide the further diversification of the basic type along specific lines (somewhat akin to Vavilov’s Law). Interestingly, there can also be a common descent interpretation of Basic Type Biology as well, but I’ll leave that alone for now.

Now, you might be saying that the ID form of common descent only involves the origin of life, and therefore has nothing to do with evolution. As I have argued before, abiogenesis actually has a lot to do with the implicit assumptions guiding evolutionary thought. And, as hopefully has been evident from this post, the mode of evolution from an information-rich starting point (ID) is quite different from that of an information-poor starting point (neo-Darwinism). And, if you take common descent to be true, I would argue that ID makes much better sense of what we see (the transitions seem to happen with some information about where they should go next).

Now, you might wonder why I disagree with the notion of common descent. There are several, but I’ll leave you with one I have been contemplating recently. I think that agency is a distinct form of causation from chance and law. That is, things can be done with intention and creativity which could not be done in complete absence of those two. In addition, I think that there are different forms of agency in operation throughout the spectrum of life (I am undecided about whether the lower forms of life such as plants and bacteria have anything which could be considered agency, but I think that, say, most land animals do). In any case, humans seem to engage in a kind of agency that is distinct from other creatures. Therefore, we are left with the question of the origin of such agency. While common descent in combination with ID can sufficiently answer the origin of information, I don’t think it can sufficiently answer the origin of the different kinds of agency.

Comments
Joseph:
In its most basic form, all ID says is that some things are designed. Of course that is not incompatible with common descent. That is not incompatible with anything. That’s why people say it’s not scientific. ID is incompatible with the current theory of evolution.
Once you posit an intelligent designer, all things become possible. It is possible (and theistic evolutionists do this) to imagine a world where the designer starts things and then allows them run their natural course exactly if the designer wasn't involved. It is also possible to have a designer design things to deliberately look random. There may (or may not) be an "Edge to Evolution" - there is no edge to ID.mikev6
January 13, 2010
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Walter:
In its most basic form, all ID says is that some things are designed. Of course that is not incompatible with common descent. That is not incompatible with anything. That’s why people say it’s not scientific.
ID is incompatible with the current theory of evolution. Just read Mayr's "What Evolution Is"- no teleology allowed.Joseph
January 13, 2010
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Lenoxus:
Bio-ID says the universe we know is inimical to life appearing, phys-ID the opposite.
Do you have a reference for that or are you just talking out of you arse as usual? But anyways if you don't like the design inference all you have to do is to actually strat supporting the claims of your position. To date the best "explanation" your position has to offer for the laws that govern this physical realm is- "They just are (the way they are)"- Steve Hawking in "A Briefer History of Time" And your only "evidence" for your position is the refusal to accept the design inference no matter what.Joseph
January 13, 2010
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Nice contribution. I' ve always been a great supporter of John Davison, it is fine that his work is mentioned. I've find also Siegfred Scherer's work very interesting. Basic mammalian bauplans may have arisen de novo, polyphyleticaly. His arguments sound quite convincing. Scherer departed from Discovery Institute and his career in Germany seems quite impressive. Anyway he follows ID movement with great sympathy as he wrote in an interview 2 year ago. Some of his interviews can be found at his home page, for those who can read German: http://www.siegfriedscherer.de/presse.htmlVMartin
January 13, 2010
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Lenoxous - You are confusing the laws with the arrangements of matter. The arrangement of matter is the information. "Here we get into that classic conflict between two different arguments for design — the fine-tuned universe and abiogenesis." I don't think that those are in conflict. A microcomputer is fine-tuned for holding a program, but it doesn't itself generate the code for the programs that are run on it. How is there at all a conflict between these two propositions? "Bio-ID says the universe we know is inimical to life appearing, phys-ID the opposite." Incorrect. Phys-ID is about the universe creating a safe place for life to exist. Bio-ID is about the life itself. "If Behe is correct, and all the information needed for evolution was packed into the Big Bang, then how is biological ID necessary?" As mentioned before, this is a confusion between the laws of physics (Phys-ID) and the information content (Bio-ID). Behe's view is that _both_ the laws of physics _and_ the specific arrangement of matter were made to bring about a specific life. The laws are not sufficient in and of themselves, it requires pre-specified information. "Normally, all DNA that does not provide immediate function is distorted by mutations, so (it seems) a designer or similar non-natural phenomenon would still be required to shield those genes until they were needed." That is a Darwinian assumption, but hasn't really played out all that well. Even if it were true, Yockey showed that Shannon's laws proved that it could easily be accounted for (I think it was in his paper "Origin of life on earth and Shannon's theory of communication").johnnyb
January 12, 2010
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Here we get into that classic conflict between two different arguments for design — the fine-tuned universe and abiogenesis. If the universe's laws were designed exactly with life in mind, then why should the chemistry derived from those laws be inadequate to result in life, requiring a second instance of design? Bio-ID says the universe we know is inimical to life appearing, phys-ID the opposite. If Behe is correct, and all the information needed for evolution was packed into the Big Bang, then how is biological ID necessary? That the designer was responsible for the "extra information" would not make that information "invisible" to non-IDers, would it? Also, I'm wondering if any IDer has done studies into the possibility of genome-programmed saltation, or indeed, any genome-programming at all. Normally, all DNA that does not provide immediate function is distorted by mutations, so (it seems) a designer or similar non-natural phenomenon would still be required to shield those genes until they were needed. Unless, perhaps, the designing is so good that it can anticipate exactly what every organism and its descendants will encounter at every moment in life, and therefore exactly which mutations will occur where and when. Whoa, I think I've just invented ID's Molinism! :)Lenoxus
January 12, 2010
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In its most basic form, all ID says is that some things are designed. Noooo. What ID says is that things that are designed have unique characteristics; these characteristics are quantifiable; and because these characteristics are quantifiable some things can conclusively be shown to have been designed.tribune7
January 12, 2010
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I don't see why there is any conflict between ID and common descent, and I don't think front-loading is a necessary way to reconcile the two. For instance, the designer could have manipulated genes at the moment of conception (or at the moment asexual reproducing organisms split into two), either periodically or always, throughout history from the beginning of life in order to steer births in the direction of the desired evolved change. So I don't see any reason why common descent is in conflict with ID.Aleta
January 12, 2010
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In its most basic form, all ID says is that some things are designed. Of course that is not incompatible with common descent. That is not incompatible with anything. That's why people say it's not scientific.Walter Kloover
January 12, 2010
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This is a very helpful post.Collin
January 12, 2010
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As Dr Behe sated:
Scott refers to me as an intelligent design "creationist," even though I clearly write in my book Darwin's Black Box (which Scott cites) that I am not a creationist and have no reason to doubt common descent. In fact, my own views fit quite comfortably with the 40% of scientists that Scott acknowledges think "evolution occurred, but was guided by God." Where I and others run afoul of Scott and the National Center for Science Education (NCSE) is simply in arguing that intelligent design in biology is not invisible, it is empirically detectable. The biological literature is replete with statements like David DeRosier's in the journal Cell: "More so than other motors, the flagellum resembles a machine designed by a human" (1). Exactly why is it a thought-crime to make the case that such observations may be on to something objectively correct? Scott blames "frontier," "nonhierarchical" religions for the controversy in biology education in the United States. As a member of the decidedly hierarchical, mainstream Roman Catholic Church, I think a better candidate for blame is the policing of orthodoxy by the NCSE and others--abetting lawsuits to suppress discussion of truly open questions and decrying academic advocates of intelligent design for "organiz[ing] conferences" and "writ[ing] op-ed pieces and books." Among a lot of religious citizens, who aren't quite the yahoos evolutionists often seem to think they are, such activities raise doubts that the issues are being fairly presented, which might then cause some people to doubt the veracity of scientists in other areas too. Ironically, the activity of Scott and the NCSE might itself be promoting the mistrust of science they deplore. 1. David J. DeRosier, Cell 93, 17 (1998).
See also: biological evolution- what is being debatedJoseph
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