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Intelligent Design in Biology is a Scientific Fact

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IMO, an entailment of the scientific theory of ID as it pertains to biological evolution, is that at least one of the following occurs: (1) directed variation, and/or  (2) artificial selection/maintenance, and that such processes produce outcomes that are detectable as the product of directed/artificial input.  (Note: these are posited as entailments of ID theory as it relates to biological evoloution, not origin-of-life or cosmological fine-tuning.  If ID is involved in biological evolution, it seems to me it must be involved in either the variation or selection process in some way; otherwise, we’re talking about the origin of a life form.)

Directed variation may include the insertion of extra-species genes or other systemic instructions, the application of a system to control variation parameters while taking advantage of random variation ( a directed variation process); genetic recombination, etc.; artificial selection (selective breeding) might also include maintaining an environment that can support artificially selected organisms.

It is a fact that humans have been selectively breeding animals and plants for thousands of years.

It is a fact that recently humans have been directly manipulating the genetic structure of organisms.

Artificial selection and/or directed variation are known intelligently designed evolutionary processes that factually exist.

We know there exist ID processes and mechanisms in evolution – humans have been utilizing them in biology for thousands of years.   We also know that human ID evolutionary tactics have produced outcomes that would not exist without their involvement and maintenance. The only question is if there is evidence of ID in biology not known to be associated with humans. ID advocates claim there is such evidence, such as irreducibly complex structures, semiotic systems and complex, specified, functional objects and systems such as protein key/lock mechanisms, that are beyond the capacity of Darwinian (RM&NS) evolutionary forces to produce and which require intelligence to construct and maintain through a design, assembly and possibly testing process.  ID advocates argue that the generation of such biological artifacts cannot be accomplished, even in principle, by any non-intelligent process, and that the only current, viable explanation we have for such features is ID, which in humans can produce similar artifacts. Humans, however, are not known to have been present during the timeframe where these features originated.

One can dismiss that this evidence supports ID; one can argue that Darwinian forces best explain the evidence; but the evidence factually exists.

So, ID factually exists. That ID has been manipulating biology for thousands of years is a scientific fact.  Evidence for human ID insertions/manipulations of evolution factually exists.  ID evolutionary mechanisms are known to exist.  The only debate is about the evidence for intelligently designed insertions into the evolutionary process outside of what humans are believed to be responsible for.  That evidence factually exists, whether one concludes it supports ID or not.

All of the above is recognizable to any semi-objective person as trivially true and reasonable. As long as anti-ID advocates zealously avoid admitting the trivially true in their pathological need to avoid the term “intelligent design” at all costs for fear of allowing a divine foot in the door (and the inevitable resulting return to the “dark” ages under theocratic rule), meaningful debate is impossible.

[Edited for clarity.]

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William J. Murray, "Then why attempt to equivocate terms that have mutually exclusive meanings?" 'Seems that Charles Darwin did. Mark Frank, "are you claiming that artificial selection has lead to outcomes which are distinctive marks of design?" I am asking this question. If our society fell away, with all of its literature, could future scientists tease out the difference between varieties due to artificial selection from varieties due to natural selection? Is there a paleontological difference?bFast
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Synthetic Biology adding to the Tree of Life. Intelligent Design right there on Tree of Life. Gasp. https://synthetickingdom.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/redesigning-the-tree-of-life/ppolish
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Bare assertion does not a fact makeCHartsil
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Metaphysically I agree, ppolish, but it's kind of a distraction from the argument here.William J Murray
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I am not interested in a semantic debate about the difference between artificial and natural selection.
Then why attempt to equivocate terms that have mutually exclusive meanings?
I am interested though – are you claiming that artificial selection has lead to outcomes which are distinctive marks of design?
I think it has produced set sof organisms that have aspects to them which are discernible as the likely product of ID interventions.William J Murray
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I think that this post gets close to a really interesting question. The interesting question is, if our society and technology disappeared, all that was left was the archaeology (no boots etc) what would future biologists find. Would they see GMO products as events of natural horizontal gene transfer, or would they conclude that we had genetic engineering technology, and that they could detect it?bFast
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WJM, I see the "hand" of God everywhere. Law? God. Chance? God. Teleology? God. "The Buddha, the Godhead, resides quite as comfortably in the circuits of a digital computer or the gears of a cycle transmission as he does at the top of the mountain, or in the petals of a flower. To think otherwise is to demean the Buddha - which is to demean oneself." Robert Pirsig.ppolish
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WJM I am not interested in a semantic debate about the difference between artificial and natural selection. I am interested though - are you claiming that artificial selection has lead to outcomes which are distinctive marks of design?Mark Frank
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ppolish: While humans and human intelligent design might be, ultimately, "natural" in some metaphysical sense, that simply avoids the issue. Let's say nature is everything, and it is comprised of three basic categories of causation: law, chance, and teleology. Let's say that in common usage, law and chance are referred to as "natural", and telelology is referred to as "artificial". Saying they both are "natural" in the metaphysical sense is simply avoiding the issue; whatever artificial "is", it is a distinct category of causation necessary to explain some things that actually exist - like computers and pekingese. Teleology may be a natural causal category in the metaphysical sense, but it is defined as distinct from law and chance because it produces distinctive phenomena that law and chance apparently cannot generate, even in principle.William J Murray
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MF said:
In fact artificial selection can be seen as special case of natural selection – where the environment for the selected species is us. So any distinctive feature of such a process cannot be evidence against Darwinian processes.
You can make the case that artificial selection is a special case of natural selection if you wish to equivocate the meaning of dichotomous terms that by definition have mutually exclusive meaning in order to simply not admit what is trivially apparent and true: artificial selection is not a Darwinian evolutionary process. You might as well make the case that a person using a high-powered water stream to sculpt a rock is a special case of natural water erosion. It's a laughable attempt to equivocate in order to avoid serious debate.William J Murray
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Mark Frank says "Humans have been intelligently directing variation in the last 50 years or so. I am not aware of the result producing any distinctive feature that clearly could not be achieved through Darwinian processes." I agree. All of the designs of man are designs of Nature. How could it be otherwise?ppolish
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WJM - I think you are making three points although it is not entirely clear. (1) Humans have been intelligently directing evolution for thousands of years via breeding. Darwin of course used artificial selection as a key argument. In fact artificial selection can be seen as special case of natural selection - where the environment for the selected species is us. So any distinctive feature of such a process cannot be evidence against Darwinian processes. (2) Humans have been intelligently directing variation in the last 50 years or so. I am not aware of the result producing any distinctive feature that clearly could not be achieved through Darwinian processes. So really human design throws little light on whether there is evidence for non-human design. So your OP really just amounts to: (3)
irreducibly complex structures, semiotic systems and complex, specified, functional objects and systems such as protein key/lock mechanisms, that are beyond the capacity of Darwinian (RM&NS) evolutionary forces to produce and which require intelligence to construct and maintain through a design, assembly and possibly testing process.
which is the same old debate. You may think that (3) is recognizable to any semi-objective person as trivially true and reasonable. Others disagree.Mark Frank
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Sapien is not above Nature. Sapien is 100% Natural. The Intelligent Designs of Sapien are Natural Designs. "Blind Watchmaker" can assemble a Rolex? I don't think so. Purposeless "Atoms and Void" can assemble a Interplanetary Spaceship? I don't think so. Natural Intellgent Design is real and it's spectacular.ppolish
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Surreal, isn't it? You ID believers are supposed to be arguing with quite intellectual people. How contrastingly easy your task would be if the present, hegemonic world-view were to be replaced by the rational one, i.e. the theistic world-view. All of a sudden Atheists Inc would suddenly find it surprisingly easy to go along with it. 'My! Look at that 'foot in the door...' What smart shoes!'Axel
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