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In my last post I pointed to Walter Meyers’ destruction of Barbara Forest’s three-step argument from (1) the success of science to (2) the superiority of methodological naturalism as a way of knowing about the physical world to (3) the superiority of metaphysical naturalism generally.

To which Bob O’H responded:

Weird. I find Myers’ argument really weak – it’s simply an argument from ignorance.

What makes it weird is that Forrest’s argument is inductive, so there are better ways of constructing a counter-argument. Even weirder, Forrest’s argument for why methodological naturalism isn’t compatible with supernaturalism seems really weak: essentially she suggests that one would need more than one methodology and epistemology, and these should be compatible with each other. I can see why this might be difficult, but I’m not sure why it’s impossible.

To which William J. Murray aptly replied:

Bob O’H

Myers is pointing out that methodological naturalism has not, ultimately, offered an explanation for anything we experience. Also, methodological naturalism is itself limited to describing only that which can be described as the effects of the very forces, laws and constants Myers (and Arrington) is talking about. Methodological naturalism cannot explain or address that which produces the set of effects that M/N describes. It would be a category error to think it could.

That’s not an “argument from ignorance”; that’s pointing out the glaring flaw in Forest’s reasoning. Not only has M/N not provided any explanations (only providing descriptions), it is categorically unable to tackle that which is causing the set of effects it can only describe. Thus, concluding that Metaphysical Naturalism logically follows the “success” of Methodological Naturalism is a rather obvious mistake when Methodological Naturalism requires explanatory forces to exist outside of its descriptive range.

Methodological Naturalism has, if anything, disproved Metaphysical Naturalism and has tacitly agreed it cannot be true ever since it accepted Phenomenalism and began using phenomenalist models as “causes”.

Bob does not seem to understand the underlying point of Meyers’ argument.  Metaphysical naturalism offers no explanation whatsoever – zero, nada, nil, zilch – for why things are the way they are or behave the way they behave.  It is true that methodological naturalism has achieved a great deal of success in building mathematical models that describe the way things behave.  But a description of an observed regularity is not an explanation for why that regularity exists in the first place.

Let me repeat that, because it is the whole point of the matter that seems to elude Bob:  A description of an observed regularity is not an explanation for why that regularity exists in the first place.  I don’t know why this is so difficult for many people to grasp.  Bob is surely not alone; this rather obvious point has eluded Barbara Forest as well.  Nevertheless, my point is both glaringly obvious and not that difficult conceptually.  Methodological naturalism sees no need to explain why phenomena are the way they are.  It is content to simply accept that things ARE the way they are and build models that describe how those things behave.  Therefore, as WJM goes on to point out, it is a (I would think obvious) category error to leap from success in describing observed regularities (methodological naturalism) to support for a metaphysical position that purports to explain the ultimate nature of those regularities and why they obtain in the first place (metaphysical naturalism).

Another way to put it is this:  for both methodological naturalism and metaphysical naturalism, the physical universe and all the phenomena within it are BRUTE FACTS that are accepted as givens.  Neither makes any attempt to explain the ultimate reason why those brute facts exist.  Indeed, at a very basic conceptual level, both are unable to offer any such explanation.

In contrast I have often offered The Ethics of Elfland as an explanation.  Chesterton writes:

The only words that ever satisfied me as describing Nature are the terms used in the fairy books, ‘charm,’ ‘spell,’ ‘enchantment.’ They express the arbitrariness of the fact and its mystery. A tree grows fruit because it is a MAGIC tree. Water runs downhill because it is bewitched.

Of course, Chesterton does not really believe water is bewitched.  He is saying in a tongue-in-cheek way that the explanation “water runs downhill because it is bewitched” is a superior explanation to “water runs downhill because of gravity.”  There cannot be the slightest doubt that Chesterton is correct, because “bewitchment” whether it is correct or wrong, is at least an attempt to explain.  Whereas, “gravity” merely describes what water does.  It makes no attempt to explain why water does it.

You might ask:  OK, Barry, if you are so smart, why do you think water runs downhill?  Good question, in response to which I give you atheist Fred Hoyle:

From 1953 onward, Willy Fowler and I have always been intrigued by the remarkable relation of the 7.65 MeV energy level in the nucleus of 12 C to the 7.12 MeV level in 16 O. If you wanted to produce carbon and oxygen in roughly equal quantities by stellar nucleosynthesis, these are the two levels you would have to fix, and your fixing would have to be just where these levels are actually found to be.  Another put-up job? . . . I am inclined to think so. A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has “monkeyed” with the physics as well as the chemistry and biology, and there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature.

Hoyle, Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics, 20 (1982): 16

If Hoyle were speaking in the vernacular of Elfland, he might have said the reason water runs downhill is because “a super intellect has “bewitched” the physics.”  I agree with Hoyle.  A commonsense explanation for why phenomena are the way they are is that a super-intellect has willed them to be that way.  And while this is an explanation that our friends who subscribe to metaphysical naturalism will likely not find salutary, it is at least an explanation – as opposed to the mere description masked as an explanation which they have offered.

 

 

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Bob, you start your comment off with: "I find Myers’ argument really weak – it’s simply an argument from ignorance." Myers' argument was that Forest was wrong for the reasons we have explained. And the argument that Forest advanced and Myers destroyed was that one can extrapolate from the success of science to the acceptance of metaphysical naturalism. That is the argument you said was weak. I responded by explaining why the argument is not weak. If you want to respond by pretending you did not say that, well, OK. But I don't see how that advances the ball.Barry Arrington
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Barry, as well as mis-spelling Walter Myers III's name (could be worse - you could have called him PZ Myers III), you also mis-represented my argument. I'll repeat my response to William:
You write that “methodological naturalism has not, ultimately, offered an explanation for anything we experience”. Well, no. But that’s not the point of MN. Methodological naturalism is an assumption that underlays scientific explanations: it is the science that does the explaining. Thus, you seem to be guilty of a category error, as MN does not itself seek to explain anything.
The reason "[m]etaphysical naturalism offers no explanation whatsoever – zero, nada, nil, zilch – for why things are the way they are or behave the way they behave." is that it isn't intended to. So when you write
It is true that methodological naturalism has achieved a great deal of success in building mathematical models that describe the way things behave.
you mistake MN for Science (which is built using MN, of course). So, are you (and William?) confusing science for methodological naturalism? They are clearly different beasts - MN is just an epistemic assumption.Bob O'H
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The philosophical naturalist has deluded himself into thinking he has a trump card which bolsters his hand… science. The problem is that there are no trump cards in the high stakes world view ontological game. This is because in order to even begin to play the game you must establish the ground of being. You must begin by asking some basic questions. For example, you must ask, why does anything at all exist? Or, what is the nature of existence? How do we know? How can we be sure of what we know? Can we really know the truth about anything? However these are metaphysical questions, not questions that can be answered by science itself. Einstein said that scientists are poor philosophers. That perhaps explains why there are some scientists who believe that science can actually serve as a basis for a world view that can answer some of our biggest questions—at least those that are worthwhile. The late American astronomer Carl Sagan, for example, proclaimed that “the Cosmos is all that there is or ever was or ever will be.” (That is a claim that is not scientifically provable.) And, Nobel Prize winner Steven Weinberg opines that while “the worldview of science is rather chilling” there is, nevertheless, he goes on to say, “a grim satisfaction, in facing up to our condition without despair and without wishful thinking--with good humor… without God.” And then there is Harvard professor of psychology Steven Pinker who takes a scientifically based world view just about to its absolute limit. Pinker writes that,
the findings of science entail that the belief systems of all the world’s traditional religions and cultures—their theories of the origins of life, humans, and societies—are factually mistaken. We know, but our ancestors did not, that humans belong to a single species of African primate that developed agriculture, government, and writing late in its history. We know that our species is a tiny twig of a genealogical tree that embraces all living things and that emerged from prebiotic chemicals almost four billion years ago. We know that we live on a planet that revolves around one of a hundred billion stars in our galaxy, which is one of a hundred billion galaxies in a 13.8-billion-year-old universe, possibly one of a vast number of universes. We know that our intuitions about space, time, matter, and causation are incommensurable with the nature of reality on scales that are very large and very small. We know that the laws governing the physical world (including accidents, disease, and other misfortunes) have no goals that pertain to human well-being. There is no such thing as fate, providence, karma, spells, curses, augury, divine retribution, or answered prayers—though the discrepancy between the laws of probability and the workings of cognition may explain why people believe there are. And we know that we did not always know these things, that the beloved convictions of every time and culture may be decisively falsified, doubtless including some we hold today. In other words, the worldview that guides the moral and spiritual values of an educated person today is the worldview given to us by science.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114127/science-not-enemy-humanities On the other hand, there are other scientists, including some who are non-religious, even agnostic or atheistic, who see the folly of this kind of thinking. For example, Sir Peter Medawar, also a Nobel laureate, was one scientist who spoke out against this so called scientism. He wrote in his book, Advice to a Young Scientist:
“There is no quicker way for a scientist to bring discredit upon himself and upon his profession than roundly to declare – particularly when no declaration of any kind is called for – that science knows, or soon will know, the answers to all questions worth asking, and that questions which do not admit a scientific answer are in some way non-questions or ‘pseudo-questions’ that only simpletons ask and only the gullible profess to be able to answer. … The existence of a limit to science is, however, made clear by its inability to answer childlike elementary questions having to do with first and last things – questions such as ‘How did everything begin?'; ‘What are we all here for?';’What is the point of living?'” Advice to a Young Scientist, London, Harper and Row, 1979 p.31
Also, Erwin Schrödinger, one of the early theorists of quantum physics, said something similar: “Science puts everything in a consistent order but is ghastly silent about everything that really matters to us: beauty, color, taste, pain or delight, origins, God and eternity.”john_a_designer
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Another question: how is it that mathematics and logic - abstract concepts - are the reasons why such models are so successful when it comes to prediction? Can you point out mathematics and logic in the natural world? Can you tell me where they reside? Do they reside in the things being described? IOW, methodological natural models not only do not explain the things they describe, those models are only successful because they use abstract concepts not found anywhere in the material world for their accuracy. Not to mention, such models fundamentally rely on the free will capacity of scientists and engineers to acquire and assess valid information and coerce their physical brains and bodies into conformity with such facts and truths in order to be confident about their measurements, descriptions and predictions. The only "methodologically natural" part of the whole process is just the stuff one is observing and measuring; everything else - including the phenomenalist model causes, the mental tools and necessary assumptions about the nature of one's existence in order to even consider such efforts worth trying - are all metaphysical.William J Murray
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"Bob does not seem to understand the underlying point of Meyers’ argument." Agreed. Also, an OT comment for rvb8 (I know you're reading). How's that "penny drop" idea working out for you? We are only getting stronger. See below: http://Cvent.comTruth Will Set You Free
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