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_{Barry Arrington

February 6, 2018

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“Everybody knows there’s something wrong with them.” Rust Cohle, True Detective, Season 1.

True or False: Powerful evidence that materialism is false.

Explain your answer.

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Bob @ 13, Pretty much everyone else who commented was able to figure out what Cohle was getting at and address it. You say you can't. OK. I believe you. Is it true you are a teacher?Barry Arrington_{February 7, 2018
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Barry @ 10 - had you bothered to ask, you would have found that I do believe fiction can illuminate truth. In this case, the quote you gave is so contextless that it's meaningless as evidence of anything: we have a fictional character making a sweeping generalisation about what (fictional) people think about some other fictional people. There is no context to explain what the quote is about.Bob O'H_{February 7, 2018
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My apologies Barry. I meant a follow up to prove your point even given the attempted distraction. The mere fact that there is a fictional character named Rust Cohle is strong evidence against materialism. Our existence is strong evidence against materialism. So yes, clearly our ability to contemplate ourselves and that existence is strong evidence against materialism. Why? Because materialism cannot begin to account for any of it. As Dr Behe once wrote (DBB):
Nonetheless, we can say that if there is such a process, no one has a clue how it would work. Further, it would go against all human experience, like postulating that a natural process might explain computers.
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If materialism is true there's nothing "wrong" with anyone. What could it mean, given the truth of materialism, to say that there's something wrong with someone?Dick_{February 6, 2018
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Bob O'H
A fictional character saying something about some undefined people isn’t really strong evidence for very much.
You don't think fiction ever illuminates truth? Shakespeare, Milton, Dante, Cervantes, just words on a page? What a stunningly anti-intellectual Philistine you are Bob. Wait, didn't you say you are a teacher? God help us. Wow. A-Mats are incurious folks.Barry Arrington_{February 6, 2018
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I took it that the OP was riffing off of Rust Cohle's philosopy of life (materialism) and wanted examples that falsified it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oX2xFo7JA4 This is what I get with trying to read people's minds";^) UD: Rust Cohle is one of the most intellectually challenging and profound characters to appear on the screen in the last 10 years. And Matthew McConaughey's portrait of him andhis journey from nihilism to hope was tour de force. But to answer your question, nope. We are talking about something else. Latemarch_{February 6, 2018
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@7 Don't worry I won't...I'll just imagine doing it instead.outside_observer_{February 6, 2018
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outside_observer - don't tell my imaginary girlfriend that.Bob O'H_{February 6, 2018
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@5 I construed it as it's own sort of analogy. But yes, playing off the OP is what Bob probably intended with his original post. My apologies.outside_observer_{February 6, 2018
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To expand on Bob's answer- False, as the fictional character, Rust Cohle, from True Detective, Season 1, isn't really strong evidence for very much, with the exception of human imagination.ET_{February 6, 2018
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@3 Bob O'H I didn't know you were fictional!outside_observer_{February 6, 2018
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False. A fictional character saying something about some undefined people isn't really strong evidence for very much. FWIW, I think Them is a great book.Bob O'H_{February 6, 2018
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True. If a jug of water had a hole and all the water leaked out, then we would probably say that there was something wrong with the jug. But all the atoms and energy involved in the process were simply conforming to the natural laws of the universe. So if we are just the products of material forces, how can there be anything "wrong" when those material forces follow their course? Our atoms were just following the material laws of nature. The fact that we even realize that something is actually "wrong" hinges upon immaterial thought about immaterial things (e.g. what actually constitutes good/bad, etc.).outside_observer_{February 6, 2018
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True Beauty. I don't mean only the beauty of a woman which the evolutionist will claim has a foundation in sexual selection. I include the beauty of a flower. Beauty of the stars whether seen from the Hubble or with nothing more than the naked eye. Beauty of a sunset or sunrise. There is no materialist explanation for the concept of beauty.....and yes that's a challenge.Latemarch_{February 6, 2018
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