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The Inconsistencies of Materialism

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Materialism — the belief that everything that happens is the result of the action of the basic laws of physics on the basic particles of physics — leads its adherents to some conclusions that most do not really believe but are obliged to assert. 

For example, they often claim there is no real free will, that everything we do is determined by the laws of physics.   But if they really believed this, why would they bother trying to convince the rest of us?  Whether or not we will accept their conclusion is completely beyond our control.   Certainly our behavior is influenced, maybe to a large degree, by our heredity and environment but no one would possibly conclude that he has no control over his own behavior if he were not forced to this conclusion by materialist philosophy.

Materialists are also forced—if they are consistent — to believe that there is no real good or evil, for how can some actions be “good” and others “evil,” if everything we do is beyond our control and determined by the laws of physics?   While there is substantial disagreement among humans over the details of moral codes even atheists know in their hearts that there is a difference between good and evil.  Have you ever known an atheist who did not appeal to morality to justify his actions, or to criticize those who disagree with him?

Materialists are also forced to believe that human brains are just advanced computing machines, and this leads to one of the most interesting inconsistencies of materialism.   The current ID debate can be reduced to the question:  is everything we see today simply the result of unintelligent causes or is an intelligent cause required to explain some things?   (Even though the big bang theory has shown us that the laws of physics and the particles of physics are themselves the result of some cause beyond our universe, the debate is still over whether this first cause is intelligent or unintelligent. And even though quantum mechanics tells us that there is a “supernatural” component — forever beyond the ability of science to explain or predict — to all natural phenomena, the debate is still over whether or not this supernatural component is entirely random, i.e., unintelligent.)

But what does “intelligent” mean?   Since humans are the only known intelligent beings in the universe, when we argue that a cause is intelligent, we can only mean “like humans.”  But if you really believe that human intelligence, like everything else in the universe, is just matter in motion what difference does it make if a cause is like humans or like rocks?  Both are just matter in motion.   A consistent materialist would have to conclude that the ID debate is over a trivial distinction.  But we all — including materialists — know that humans are not like rocks and so the debate is significant.

Please see my videos Why Evolution is Different and A Summary of the Evidence for Intelligent Design.

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CD, we all know the story, with von Neumann '48 as just prior context. Go, look up Crick's Mar 19, 1953 letter to his son, then follow the elucidation over the next couple of decades. We all know that machine code is working at machine level, the online vids on protein synthesis are there for those who find reading a challenge, and Lehninger et al are quite clear. If all you can do is to try to follow Alinsky tactic personalise-polarise, that tells us beyond reasonable doubt that you know you do not have a substantial answer. Of course, Darwin did not address this, it was a century in the future, though he might have found it thought provoking to address Paley's self replicating time keeping watch in Ch 2, which foreshadows what von Neumann brought out. KF PS, just to refresh memory:
"The information in DNA is encoded in its linear (one-dimensional) sequence of deoxyribonucleotide subunits . . . . A linear sequence of deoxyribonucleotides in DNA codes (through an intermediary, RNA) for the production of a protein with a corresponding linear sequence of amino acids . . . Although the final shape of the folded protein is dictated by its amino acid sequence, the folding of many proteins is aided by “molecular chaperones” . . . The precise three-dimensional structure, or native conformation, of the protein is crucial to its function." [Principles of Biochemistry, 8th Edn, 2021, pp 194 – 5. Now authored by Nelson, Cox et al, Lehninger having passed on in 1986. Attempts to rhetorically pretend on claimed superior knowledge of Biochemistry, that D/RNA does not contain coded information expressing algorithms using string data structures, collapse. We now have to address the implications of language, goal directed stepwise processes and underlying sophisticated polymer chemistry and molecular nanotech in the heart of cellular metabolism and replication.]
See https://uncommondescent.com/darwinist-debaterhetorical-tactics/protein-synthesis-what-frequent-objector-af-cannot-acknowledge/kairosfocus
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The Pounce! ChuckDarwin believes he has found something and makes a big deal of it. Longer than his usual wise-ass remark. Just to let you know, the hypothesis referenced has nothing to do with ID. It may be true or not true. Aside: The really amazing thing is ChuckDarwin is up early. Getting ready for church, Chuck?
to whom it may concern, this blog has been timing out and slowing to a snail’s pace early during the day–just a heads up to the site administrator
it’s called weeding out the unfit. It generated a lot of time for myself that would have been spent reading inane comments. Look at it as a plus.jerry
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KF/217
Likewise the clear case of coded, complex alphanumeric code in D/RNA tells us language is antecedent to cell based life on earth.
Really? And exactly how does that work? Is this "complex alphanumeric code" just floating around in the ether somewhere? In the interstices between being and non-being? And where does the primordial biological cell come from into which this "language" gets deposited or inserted or installed or whatever it gets? Is there like a transcendental service department that does the installation? When are you IDers gonna take five minutes out of your 24/7 Darwin-bashing schedule to figure this stuff out and explain to us hoi polloi just how this works? We're waiting. We've been waiting for quite some time....... BTW, to whom it may concern, this blog has been timing out and slowing to a snail's pace early during the day--just a heads up to the site administrator....chuckdarwin
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F/N. gave a lot of trouble. And 2^[3.27*10^150]kairosfocus
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Q, pi is determined by definition [ circle, take c/D ~ 22/7 or 3.14159 . . . ] and is a transcendental with no repeating block, it is irrational. The value of pi and the decimal, place value system [separately defined] are uncorrelated, so the clash of the two is one way to generate a pseudorandom decimal digit sequence commonly thought to encompass every arbitrary [short] bit string, for example I just searched 000, 0000, 00000 and 000000 in the first million digits, unsurprisingly the six member chain does not appear. For example, too, 000 first appears after 601 digits. Within reason, we here have a poor man's random number table. However, that illustrates the search resources problem commonly overlooked by those trying to use a paint the target after you shoot objection: 10*57 atoms in the sol system for 10^17 s cannot search the config space of a similar number of 500 coin trays, each atom serving as an observer and running at say 10^13 searches per second: 57 + 17 + 13 = 87 and 10^87 is a negligible fraction of 3.27 * 10 ^ 150. Search for a golden search, being search among possible subsets, comes from the power set of the later set of possible configs from 0000 . . . 0 to 1111 . . . 1, 2 * [3.27^10^150] possibilities, so that is even worse, raising questions of higher level design if poof, magic, we see a golden search. Design by the self moved reflexively acting agent [whether limited as we are or ultimate as God is] has far greater power, to create a desired bit string. But more directly, if we are not rational, responsible, significantly free creatures the credibility of our claimed reasoning (including that of objectors) becomes suspect, self referentially self discrediting. We simply need to recognise that whatever else obtains, we must be going concern responsible agents capable of serious reasoning. This then constrains our logic of being and that of the world we inhabit, there must be adequate root of reality for such a world. Brains as blindly programmed computational substrates with equally blind architectures does not cut it. Likewise the clear case of coded, complex alphanumeric code in D/RNA tells us language is antecedent to cell based life on earth. But, we have powerful factions at work, determined not to go where such things clearly point. KFkairosfocus
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Kairosfocus @213,
Q, yes, a single die resting 3 uppermost is indistinguishable after the fact as to chance or choice. However, 6^n > 10^150, leads to n = 193. A string of that many dice expressing a coded message becomes readily distinguishable from a chance outcome.
Yes, I agree. However it's not so clear with substrings. For example, with the infinite number of decimals in Pi, one can find any specified string somewhere in it, including my telephone number and yours. Yes, this is a mathematical version of "the Texas sharpshooter fallacy." -QQuerius
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StephenB
In your judgement, does this process begin with the agent having no free will, or does it begin with the agent having limited free will? (...) It seems to me that everything turns on the answer. My answer is simple: We do not grow *into* free will agents, we grow *as* free will agents.
I say that both statements can be true when one accepts that being free is not a static property and that there is a gradual process toward something like complete freedom and complete self-knowledge. Perhaps it makes good sense to say that the boy who will one day become a soldier, is already a soldier.
Free will must be there from the beginning in some primitive form as a gift from a source outside of us, namely God.
I have stated that self-determination is the essence of freedom. You did neither object nor agree. Others, like Kairosfocus, often speak of “self-moved agency.” This brings us to a territory of causality which is not as clear-cut as billiard ball A moves billiard ball B. This is more complicated, here we have billiard ball B moving itself. As we both know, “nothing can move itself (except God)” is the mantra of Aquinas. But if freedom is indeed self-movement, if freedom is self-determination, then the following question becomes relevant: can something (billiard ball A perhaps) cause something else (billiard ball B perhaps) to move itself? Is there a role at all for billiard ball A in this scenario? IOW does self-movement fit the good old traditional causal model where A causes B? Put differently, can something (God) gift something else (a person) with free will? I intuit a logical problem (impossibility even) that I cannot express succinctly.
Ori: We *are* not free as a static fact, instead, we are in a process of *becoming* free. It can be said that freedom is hard work, it doesn’t come for free.
SB: To say that we are in the in the process of “becoming,” and that free will “doesn’t come for free,” and that it is the product of “hard work” is to say that it is something that you must earn and isn’t there in the beginning.
I was being unclear. I meant to say that we are all in an individual process of becoming, whether we want it or not. Our freedom expands by self-knowledge, and self-knowledge expands by experiencing oneself. There is no free choice on this point because we are non-static *becoming* beings, and we cannot change that fact, other than by completing the path.
Returning to my theme, I say that we do not grow *into” free will agents; we grow *as* free will agents since we must have to ability to pursue growth as a goal, which requires free will in the beginning.
I can agree in the sense that one can freely embrace growth as a goal, and possibly speed up the process. On the other hand, I repeat that, in my view, there is no choice. The process of becoming goes on no matter what, because that is what we *are.*
However, there are two roads that can be travelled. The first road leads to more freedom, which consists of a growth in virtue and an elimination of vice. The second road leads to slavery, which consists of a growth in vice and a dismissal of virtue.
The second road also leads to self-knowledge. My general point is: we are all learning, there is no escape.
When we say that hard work is necessary for growth, we need to specify what kind of work we mean.
I was being unclear. I meant to say, that life poses challenges to everyone. We are all struggling through life; life is tough; that is why I said: "becoming free is hard work.”Origenes
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SB, I agree, and without freedom at the core, growth in rational, responsible behaviour is impossible. We are seeing a challenge of failing to see where we must stand, just to begin. KFkairosfocus
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Q, yes, a single die resting 3 uppermost is indistinguishable after the fact as to chance or choice. However, 6^n > 10^150, leads to n = 193. A string of that many dice expressing a coded message becomes readily distinguishable from a chance outcome. I note that when someone tried the keyboard exercise with real monkeys, they kept pressing S, readily seen as not random. Which, BTW is precisely what the 500 bit threshold is about on sol system scale. Of course for DNA in living forms, we start at 100 - 1,000 kbases, so far beyond threshold that quibbles over redundancy, possible junk DNA etc are irrelevant.kairosfocus
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Seversky at 206, I am reminded of something: "Your mind is conrolled by a transistor radio in a parking lot."relatd
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SB: In your judgement, does this process begin with the agent having no free will, or does it begin with the agent having limited free will? Origenes:
This a profound question, to which I have no definite answer.
It seems to me that everything turns on the answer. My answer is simple: We do not grow *into* free will agents, we grow *as* free will agents. Free will must be there from the beginning in some primitive form as a gift from a source outside of us, namely God. Earlier, you said this:
We *are* not free as a static fact, instead, we are in a process of *becoming* free. It can be said that freedom is hard work, it doesn’t come for free.
To say that we are in the in the process of "becoming," and that free will "doesn't come for free," and that it is the product of "hard work" is to say that it is something that you must earn and isn't there in the beginning. Further, it means that you either get to your destination without knowing why you are on that road or that you DO know why you are on that road (purpose driven hard work) and consciously decide to pursue free will as a worthy goal. That leads to my earlier question, which I assume that you missed: How can you decide to work hard in pursuit of free will if you do not already have the free will necessary to make such a decision? Returning to my theme, I say that we do not grow *into" free will agents; we grow *as* free will agents since we must have to ability to pursue growth as a goal, which requires free will in the beginning. However, there are two roads that can be travelled. The first road leads to more freedom, which consists of a growth in virtue and an elimination of vice. The second road leads to slavery, which consists of a growth in vice and a dismissal of virtue. When we say that hard work is necessary for growth, we need to specify what kind of work we mean. To be precise, the hard work consists of building good habits and eliminating bad habits. It is our habits that make us or break us. Our task, then, is to decide if we will become more free or less free. We can decide to become more free by practicing such virtues, as justice, temperance, humility, courage, compassion, charity, persistence, kindness, valor, selflessness, prayer etc. Or we can take a second road and simply give in to our passions, by watching pornography, being lazy, being ungrateful, being selfish, always taking/never giving, abusing our neighbor, eating too much, drinking too much, taking recreational drugs, lying, cheating, using our friends etc. this road leads to a loss of the freedom we already have and, eventually to slavery. The good news is that we can change, but sometimes we need help from heaven to pull it off. But we must first acknowledge the objective differences between good and evil/ right and wrong. Otherwise, we have no road map to guide us back on the road to freedom. Virtue begins by being hard and ends up being easy. Vice begins by being easy and ends up being hard -- very hard. Free will is the capacity to take either road. We are free to grow in wisdom or allow ourselves to be fools.StephenB
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@199
In my view, each human being is in a continual process of self-liberation. The measure of one’s freedom is determined by multiple progressing factors, such as self-knowledge, the ability of independent will, thought, feeling, and understanding. So, I would say that a question like: ‘Is man absolutely free or not?’, cannot be posed, because one’s freedom is not a static property, but rather is in a continual process of becoming. Each one of us is on an individual path edging toward freedom. Some people are freer than others, and, in principle, we are all freer than we once were. . . . A free act by a person is an act that is determined by the person, as opposed to an act that is determined by something beyond the control of the person. Free will, is the ability to determine one’s actions; self-determination.
I very much like this, and I quite agree with this! (This is also pretty much Spinoza's view, for whatever that might be worth.)PyrrhoManiac1
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StephenB
Ori: Each one of us is on an individual path edging toward freedom. Some people are freer than others, and, in principle, we are all freer than we once were.
SB: In your judgement, does this process begin with the agent having no free will, or does it begin with the agent having limited free will?
This a profound question, to which I have no definite answer. Some (sketchy) thoughts: The process of becoming free starts with the self-aware conscious agent, otherwise there is nothing that can be free. As I have argued before, self-awareness presupposes the self observing the self. IOW self-observance is constitutive of self-awareness consciousness. Therefore the self observing the self is self-determination. The self-determination that brings about self-aware consciousness is the foundational self-determination that underlies all the subsequent self-determination; which I have defined as freedom; see #199. I imagine that, at the onset, the self-aware conscious agent has no flexible control over its unformed content. The hierarchical control over one's content, that you and I have now, has yet to be established.
SB: If you contract a viral infection, can you decide not to be affected by it?
As you know, I do not regard the body to be an inseparable aspect of the person. To answer your question, I do not have that ability and I do not know if there is anyone who does. - - - - - As a complete aside, this ’universal antidote’ has cured me of a very severe illness more than once. I’m just putting it out there, and do not expect anyone to take it seriously.
SB: Let’s return to my example of the decision to wear gloves on a cold winter morning. I say that the decision was *influenced by,* not *determined by* the cold weather. It was a free will decision because it was one choice made among many possible alternatives, which is my definition of free will. Other options available include enduring the discomfort of exposing bare skin to the elements, limiting the time of exposure, or simply staying home. I say that the free will agent, not the cold weather, determined the choice, even though the cold weather played a role in that decision. Do you agree? If not, why not?
I agree. The decision stems from the free person.Origenes
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Seversky
In other words, if we suppose that literally anything we think or do was determined, how could we ever distinguish between having free will and not having free will and would it make any difference? Either way we still feel like we have free will, even if we don’t really.
Recall that a free will choice is a product of the faculties of intelligence and will working in concert. The role of the intellect is especially important to your question because intelligence seeks knowledge. In this case, the free will agent who chooses to wear gloves does not simply *feel* that he has several other options, he *knows* it to be a fact. Knowledge is a reliable guide, feelings are not. Thus, determinism, which recognizes only one possibility, the one that just happened to have been chosen, does not, in this situation, reflect the facts in evidence. Yes, it does make a difference. Because they live in the real world, free will proponents can weigh options and tradeoffs. If gloves are worn in the car, control of the steering mechanism may be compromised, if gloves are not worn at all, frostbite is a possibility, if the journey is not made, maximum safety is assured, but an important opportunity may have been lost. Determinists, if they are true to their principles, do not weigh the costs and benefits of manifold options with the same serious attention and are, therefore. less likely to make wise decisions.StephenB
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Seversky @206,
Just for the sake of argument, let’s suppose the Universe is absolutely deterministic.
But we know that this isn't true. So, your conclusions to this hypothetical are irrelevant. -QQuerius
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Just for the sake of argument, let's suppose the Universe is absolutely deterministic. Let's suppose that your choice to wear gloves at that time and in that place was determined not just by your reasoning but was inevitable. Let's suppose your sense of exercising free will and your rejection of the very notion that you aren't free are themselves determined. Let's suppose that your decision to try and thwart determinism by not wearing gloves on a cold day was itself determined. In other words, if we suppose that literally anything we think or do was determined, how could we ever distinguish between having free will and not having free will and would it make any difference? Either way we still feel like we have free will, even if we don't really.Seversky
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Origenes:
A free act by a person is an act that is determined by the person, as opposed to an act that is determined by something beyond the control of the person. Free will, is the ability to determine one’s actions; self-determination.
Let’s return to my example of the decision to wear gloves on a cold winter morning. I say that the decision was *influenced by,* not *determined by* the cold weather. It was a free will decision because it was one choice made among many possible alternatives, which is my definition of free will. Other options available include enduring the discomfort of exposing bare skin to the elements, limiting the time of exposure, or simply staying home. I say that the free will agent, not the cold weather, determined the choice, even though the cold weather played a role in that decision. Do you agree? If not, why not?StephenB
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Kairosfocus @202, Yes, exactly! What's so amazing is how surprisingly fast the initial micro-perturbations magnify to macro differences. Initial conditions are never the same (essentially at infinitesimal probability). Thus, ignoring or waving off chaos as being determinate is falsified in practice. What completely blows my mind is the fact that reality manifests itself from mathematical probability waves on observation. Deliberately setting a dice to 1-6 is indistinguishable from a chaotic or a random outcome. However, quantum reality diverges from your macro die roll in at least three respects: 1. Observing the die roll in progress doesn't immediately yield a final outcome (1-6). 2. Rolling two dice doesn't ever produce destructive interference, only constructive. (2-12) 3. Observing one of the two dice doesn't instantaneously affect the outcome of the other one (such as entanglement and conjugate variables). Entanglement would be like shaking two dice, shipping one to Timbuktu, and then (knowing that the sum of the two dice always adds up to 7) observing a 2 locally would mean that the die in Timbuktu would be a 5. Conjugate variables would result in measuring one die to be "less than four" (1-3) has the result in that the MAXIMUM precision of measuring the other die would be "greater than three" (4-6). Paradoxically, the quantum Zeno effect would be like continually observing a die roll but never having it resolve to a 6 until you stop observing the die. Thus, the mathematical probability field of reality is intrinsically integrated with information. It also indicates that our conscious observation (~knowledge?), our free will (~warrant based on Bayesian reasoning?) have a significant but limited effect on reality. -QQuerius
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A free act by a person is an act that is determined by the person, as opposed to an act that is determined by something beyond the control of the person. Free will, is the ability to determine one’s actions; self-determination.
Let's return to my example of deciding to wear gloves ln a cold winter morning. I say that the choice made is influenced by, but not determined, by the cold weather, since the free will agent had other possible options available, such as putting up with the discomfort of cold bare skin, limiting the time of exposure, or simply staying home. Thus, wearing gloves was a free will decision since *one choice was made among many possible alternatives,* which is my definition of free will. The decision was not determined by the cold weather; It was determined by the free will agent, even though the cold weather played a role in that decision. Do you agree?StephenB
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Q, chaos in effect is sensitive dependence to initial conditions such that tiny initial differences produce large differences in outcome after enough time. This is how say a standard die is effectively random when tossed and as it settles. However, my point is, that a stochastic, random aspect [e.g. Zener noise] is not determined as to outcome even before we come to decision-making free agents. Not everything is like that [a die falls under g for example], but absent self-moved, rational responsible freedom [we can set a die to read as we please, from 1 to 6], reasoning, warrant and knowledge collapse. KFkairosfocus
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Origenes:
My claim is that knowing and understanding the cause, maneuvers you into a position where you can make a choice: allow the cause to affect you or not.
If you contract a viral infection, can you decide not to be affected by it?StephenB
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Origenes:
Each one of us is on an individual path edging toward freedom. Some people are freer than others, and, in principle, we are all freer than we once were.
In your judgement, does this process begin with the agent having no free will, or does it begin with the agent having limited free will?StephenB
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StephenB @198 In my view, each human being is in a continual process of self-liberation. The measure of one’s freedom is determined by multiple progressing factors, such as self-knowledge, the ability of independent will, thought, feeling, and understanding. So, I would say that a question like: ‘Is man absolutely free or not?’, cannot be posed, because one’s freedom is not a static property, but rather is in a continual process of becoming. Each one of us is on an individual path edging toward freedom. Some people are freer than others, and, in principle, we are all freer than we once were.
How do you define a free act, or if you like, how do you define free will?
A free act by a person is an act that is determined by the person, as opposed to an act that is determined by something beyond the control of the person. Free will, is the ability to determine one’s actions; self-determination. - - - - - WJM @197
There is no spoon.
:)Origenes
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Origenes
A free act is not required to be ‘causeless’, but rather one can allow the cause to affect oneself after one has come to know it and still be free.
How do you define a free act, or if you like, how do you define free will?
We *are* not free as a static fact, instead, we are in a process of *becoming* free. It can be said that freedom is hard work, it doesn’t come for free.
How can you decide to work hard in pursuit of free will if you do not already have the free will necessary to make such a decision?StephenB
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Origenes @194, I do agree and I am indeed amused.
There is a newly created distance between you and the cause established by insight. Through self-knowledge, your freedom has increased.:
There is no spoon.William J Murray
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StephenB
Ori: A free act is not required to be ‘causeless’, but rather one can allow the cause to affect oneself after one has come to know it and still be free.
I am not clear on what you are saying here.
Suppose you always get irritable when being with person X, but do not know why. But then, on a good day, you understand what makes being with person X irritable. My claim is that knowing and understanding the cause, maneuvers you into a position where you can make a choice: allow the cause to affect you or not. A new situation. There is a newly created distance between you and the cause established by insight. Through self-knowledge, your freedom has increased.
So you are saying that we do not have free will until we attain it through hard work?
Becoming free, through self-knowledge and self-experience, is hard work. In my view, that is what life is for.Origenes
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Origenes
A free act is not required to be ‘causeless’, but rather one can allow the cause to affect oneself after one has come to know it and still be free.
I am not clear on what you are saying here. Could you define precisely what you mean by “free act?” I say that a free act (an exercise in free will) is one in which the decision maker can choose one course of action from among several possible alternatives. It appears that you do not agree. How do you define a free act by a free will agent? Meanwhile, you can always decide on the way you will react to outside events, but you cannot always decide not to be affected by them. Free will (by my definition) does not imply that kind of power. You seem to be using the term “freedom” far more expansively than what is normally meant by the term “free will,” which is why I an asking you to define your terms.
We *are* not free as a static fact, instead, we are in a process of *becoming* free. It can be said that freedom is hard work, it doesn’t come for free.
So you are saying that we do not have free will until we attain it through hard work? How can you decide to work hard in pursuit of free will if you do not already have the free will necessary to make such a decision?StephenB
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WJM @169 The following Hegelian text seems to be in perfect alignment with your post #169. Perhaps you agree and you will be amused:
On the purely conceptual level, the universal moment of freedom concerns the absolute freedom of the I. The I, the subject of freedom, continues to be what it is independent of whatever it exists as. A human being can take on a host of different identities, it can be embodied as a specific gender, it can have long or short hair, it can have this or that profession, and so on. Some or these identities are a matter of choice, others are not, but that is inconsequential here. The point is that in itself the I remains independent (and in this way free) of any such identification; it never loses itself completely in any form or way of existing. As Hegel states, the will is inherently free, and this fundamental freedom consists precisely in the ability to remove oneself (in thought) from any specific existence without ceasing to be. [Terje Sparby on Hegel (PDF)]
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StephenB asks:
How does one use that consciousness/experience model to explain the coming-to-be of the universe itself, which preceded the existence of (human) consciousness and experience.
I don't believe that the universe precedes consciousness, and I believe there is only one consciousness. Origenes said:
If there is but one unity that encompasses everything that exists, if there is but one set of causal laws for all things, then the maximum number of free persons is one.
Well, there is one free consciousness/observer/will that assumes the roles of countless "persons," IMO.William J Murray
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I don't know what the deal is, but DD might be having a more severe case of my own issues, which is that it has been extremely difficult to log into UD lately. I don't have this problem with any other sites.William J Murray
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