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[Continues from p. 1  here . . . ]
11 –> Similarly, ever since Plato (as linked above), the contrast that design thinkers have made is not between “natural” and “supernatural,” but between the natural [= chance + mechanical necessity] and the ART-ificial, or intelligent [ = that which shows intentionally and purposefully organised configuration]. That distinction is based on obervations, and assignment of cause is made on characteristic signs, reasoning from sign to signified. In particular, on accounting for the origin of life or of body plan level biodiversity, with the characteristic feature of digitally coded, functionally specific, complex information [dFSCI], the point has been explicitly made, over and over again, that the inference to design is not at all an inference to God as designer.

12 –> For, empirically anchored inference to design as relevant causal factor for life is not equal to specifying the identity of the relevant designer, or placing such a designer within or beyond the cosmos. (Cf, the Epilogue of Thaxton et al in The Mystery of Life’s Origin (warning: fat download), 1984, p 188 ff. [TMLO is actually the very first modern design theory technical work. That is, this NCSE-endorsed slander has been a slander in the face of the accessible truth right from the outset.])

13 –> The slander continues: The creationist groups attempt to masquerade their ideas as science simply by calling the concept “intelligent design theory”. (In actual fact, Creationists, both Young Earth and Old Earth, have often specifically and publicly distanced themselves from Design Theory. For the former, this has especially been on grounds of failure of Design Theory to conform to the Biblical approach as they understand it. The NCSE knows, or should know this. Even more important — and as the NCSE knows or should know: causal inference from empirically reliable sign to signified lies close to the heart of scientific theoretical reasoning and practical reasoning; e.g. cf. medical diagnosis on symptoms and signs of disease. So does the long-term theoretical project of empirically based inference to best current explanation of collected and collated factual observations. The NCSE is being selectively hyperskeptical and dismissive.)

14 –> Worse, the term, “masquerade” directly implies an accusation of fraud. One, that is plainly unwarranted. This is an attack to the man, not a dealing with the issue.

15 –> The willful misrepresentations continue: No testable hypotheses or any form of scientific research has been presented to support their attempts to insert religion into science. (This is a twofer. First, the explanatory filter is eminently testable, as has often been put publicly: if a credible case of say 150 ASCII characters worth of text in coherent and meaningful English can be produced by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity, the design inference would collapse at once — but there is an Internet full of confirmatory instances and not a single valid counter-example. [Genetic Algorithms, from Weasel on, have all been designed and work on intelligently injected active information that allows them to overcome the odds.] Secondly the claimed attempt to insert religion into science is a blatant falsehood. The design filter is an empirically based inductive inference, not a religious construct. In addition, NCSE knows or should know that a significant and growing body of peer-reviewed and published ID supportive research exists. Indeed,  such was drawn to Judge Jones’ attention in the Dover case in 2005, not least by the testim0ny of ID researchers in his courtroom, but was willfully ignored by him and those who seem to have written major parts of his decision for him.)

16 –>  This turnabout projective accusation is particularly revealing:

it is suspected that the aim of these religiously motivated people is to redefine the meaning of science; if they were successful, science would become useless as a method for learning about the natural world.

17 –> It is not merely suspected, but demonstrated that in recent decades there has been an evolutionary materialist attempt to redefine science, through injecting a priori materialism as a censoring constraint on science. Let us, again, hear Lewontin’s inadvertent confession:

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. [“Billions and Billions of Demons,” NYRB, January 9, 1997. Emphases added.]

18 –> Motive mongering of course runs two ways. It can easily be demonstrated that a great many advocates of a priori evolutionary materialism as a defining constraint on science, are materialistic atheists or agnostics or the like. It can also be demonstrated that the imposition of a priori materialism through so-called methodological naturalism, censors science from being able to freely pursue the truth in light of empirical evidence. So, wouldn’t it be wiser to simply insist that science be based on observational facts, and carefully reasoned empirically anchored analysis and explanations, regardless of who puts them forth?

19 –> The dismissive strawman argument that “Creationists” argue that  “there is no fossil evidence for evolution,” papers over the “trade secret” of paleontology. As Stephen Jay Gould has so aptly put it in his The Structure of Evolutionary Theory (2002):

. . . long term stasis following geologically abrupt origin of most fossil morphospecies, has always been recognized by professional paleontologists. [p. 752.]

. . . .  The great majority of species do not show any appreciable evolutionary change at all. These species appear in the section [[first occurrence] without obvious ancestors in the underlying beds, are stable once established and disappear higher up without leaving any descendants.” [p. 753.]

. . . . proclamations for the supposed ‘truth’ of gradualism – asserted against every working paleontologist’s knowledge of its rarity – emerged largely from such a restriction of attention to exceedingly rare cases under the false belief that they alone provided a record of evolution at all! The falsification of most ‘textbook classics’ upon restudy only accentuates the fallacy of the ‘case study’ method and its root in prior expectation rather than objective reading of the fossil record. [p. 773.]

20 –> Similarly, “it is impossible to obtain higher complexity systems from lower complexity systems,” is another unworthy strawman. As already pointed out, the issue is not to account for mere complexity, but for the credible source of functionally specific, complex organisation and related information as relevant to the origin of life and the origin of the many diverse major body plans, on undirected forces of chance and mechanical necessity. This has never been satisfactorily done by adherents of the evolutionary materialist paradigm for origins science. And, the only empirically warranted cause of dFSCI is design.

21 –> The strawman claim that Creationists or design thinkers hold that “if you believe in evolution, you are an atheist,” is manifestly false. (i) Creationists spend a lot of time and effort arguing with theistic evolutionists, (ii) the largest single Christian Denomination — the Roman Catholic church — has long been accommodating of such theistic views of evolution, and (iii) many design thinkers (such as Michael Behe) accept common descent. But also, it is quite evident that there are many who would impose a priori evolutionary materialism on origins science, with the specific motivation of promoting their brand of atheism. Of these, noted evolution advocate Richard Dawkins springs immediately to mind. And there are many, many others of like ilk.

22 –> Finally, utterly contrary to the assertion “[t]hey have even invented an imaginary scientific “controversy” to argue their agenda,” for good reason, evolutionary materialism has always been a controversial approach, as a scientific enterprise and on issues connected to the philosophy of science [is it appropriate to use methodological naturalism as a censoring constraint on origins models?], and in the wider culture. In particular, many have long been concerned that evolutionary materialism is not only ill founded as a worldview, but tends to promote ruthless and lawless factions and destructive amorality in the community at large.

23 –> Nor is any of this new. In fact, if we excerpt Plato in The Laws, Bk X (~ 360 BC) as he reflects on the sad story of Alcibiades and his damaging impacts on Athens, we may see Plato speaking in the voice of the Athenian Stranger:

Ath. . . . [[The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that fire and water, and earth and air [[i.e the classical “material” elements of the cosmos], all exist by nature [physis] and chance, and none of them by art [techne], and that as to the bodies which come next in order-earth, and sun, and moon, and stars-they have been created by means of these absolutely inanimate existences. The elements are severally moved by chance and some inherent force according to certain affinities among them-of hot with cold, or of dry with moist, or of soft with hard, and according to all the other accidental admixtures of opposites which have been formed by necessity. After this fashion and in this manner the whole heaven has been created, and all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only. [In short, evolutionary materialism premised on chance plus necessity acting without intelligent guidance on primordial matter is hardly a new or a primarily “scientific” view!] . . . .

[Thus, they hold that t]he Gods exist not by nature, but by art, and by the laws of states, which are different in different places, according to the agreement of those who make them; and that the honourable is one thing by nature and another thing by law, and that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.[Relativism, too, is not new; complete with its radical amorality rooted in a worldview that has no foundational IS that can ground OUGHT. (Cf. here for Locke’s views and sources on a very different base for grounding liberty as opposed to license and resulting anarchistic “every man does what is right in his own eyes” chaos leading to tyranny.)] These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might, and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [i.e. a root of controversy and power struggles], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is, to live in real dominion over others [here the suspicion is that such factions tend to amoral tyranny], and not in legal subjection to them. [Emphases and explanatory parentheses added.]

24 –> This ancient analysis has been echoed tellingly in our day by historian of science (with a special focus on evolutionary biology and population genetics) Prof. William Provine of Cornell University, in his well-known 1998 Darwin Day keynote address at the University of Tennessee, as he then went on to try to make the best case he could for an ethics of naturalism:

Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent . . . .

The first 4 implications are so obvious to modern naturalistic evolutionists that I will spend little time defending them. Human free will, however, is another matter. Even evolutionists have trouble swallowing that implication. I will argue that humans are locally determined systems that make choices. They have, however, no free will . . .

25 –> Now, such amorality is a serious issue, and one that needs to be seriously addressed; for, the binding nature of ought is a key plank of liberty and self-government. And, if we are the puppets of our genes, memes and other socio-psychological forces, in a materialistic world, not even our minds can be trusted. J B S Haldane summarised this issue in his famous 1932 remark:

“It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms.” [“When I am dead,” in Possible Worlds: And Other Essays [1927], Chatto and Windus: London, 1932, reprint, p.209. (Highlight and emphases added.)]

26 –> Therefore, though materialists will often try to pointedly ignore or angrily brush aside the issue, we may freely argue: if such evolutionary materialism is true, then (i) our consciousness, (ii) the “thoughts” we have, (iii) the beliefs we hold, (iv) the reasonings we attempt and (v) the “conclusions” we reach — without residue — must be produced and controlled by blind forces of chance happenstance and mechanical necessity that are irrelevant to purpose, truth, or logical validity. And, (v) immediately, the project of rationality itself would collapse if that were true. Happily, the result is such a patent reduction of a worldview to absurdity that we have every right to dismiss evolutionary materialism as necessarily false.

27 –> The only reason evolutionary materialism is taken seriously is that somehow, it has in our day captured the mantle of science. But, as the shrill denunciations and distortions corrected above reveal, the NCSE’s grip on that mantle is plainly slipping.
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Objectively, design theory is not re-labelled creationism, in pursuit of an imagined theocratic agenda to pervert science and science education.

Equally plainly, science and science education should not be held in thralldom to evolutionary materialistic philosophies, agendas and pressure groups, or even to the ideologies of dominant factions in institutions like the US National Academy of Sciences.

Science is too important to be left to the faction-fights in science institutions and the agit-prop games played by pressure groups such as the NCSE. Let us therefore remind ourselves of what science, historically, is understood to be; courtesy high-quality dictionaries published before the recent controversies:

science: a branch of knowledge conducted on objective principles involving the systematized observation of and experiment with phenomena, esp. concerned with the material and functions of the physical universe. [Concise Oxford, 1990]

scientific method: principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge [”the body of truth, information and principles acquired by mankind”] involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses. [Webster’s 7th Collegiate, 1965]

And so, we need to ask: why is it that defenders of evolutionary materialism as reigning orthodoxy in origins science and science education, routinely find themselves resorting to the sort of trifecta fallacy tactics — red herrings, strawmen and ad hominems — corrected [yet again] above?

Similarly, what does such uncivil rhetoric say about the actual strengths and weaknesses of the worldview and scientific paradigm they are so anxious to protect by any and all means, fair or foul?

Comments
JS01: Plato's warning in The Laws, Bk X [cf p.2 of OP for onward links] is that if evolutionary materialism becomes dominant in a society, radical relativism, amorality and ruthless factions take over control of the direction of society. Such operate by the anti-principle that he outlines:
. . . [the avant garde evolutionary materialists c 400 BC, hold that] the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.- [Relativism, too, is not new.] These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might [Evolutionary materialism leads to the promotion of amorality], and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [Evolutionary materialism-motivated amorality "naturally" leads to continual contentions and power struggles], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is, to live in real dominion over others [such amoral factions, if they gain power, "naturally" tend towards ruthless tyranny], and not in legal subjection to them.
So, if rules and principles are simply a matter of "who gots the guns, mikes, maces [does the US Congress have a mace or equivalent that must be in place for acts to be valid?] and gavels makes the rules," grab the instruments of power, manipulation and intimidation and change the rules to your heart's content. The chaos and ruin that predictably result, are strong evidence that the underlying amoral and relativising philosophy is fundamentally absurd and unworkable. But, as Francis Schaeffer was fond of emphasising: ideas have consequences. And since origins science narratives are now a key part of a dominant ideology promulgated in the name of science, we need to examine origins science critically on its own grounds, and as it intersects society, policy and culture. If we want freedom AND truly progressive and just order, we need to build on a worldview that founds that. One, that has in it a solid foundation for truth and right and justice and liberty -- as opposed to licence. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
January 16, 2011
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kairosfocus@13 wrote:
Through the backdoor imposition of ideological materialism, science is being inappropriately redefined by groups like the US NAS and NSTA [which both have a duty to do better than this], in a way that corrupts its ability to fearlessly seek truth about our world on empirical evidence and its best explanation.
It is interesting to me that redefinitions, similar the kind you point out being promulgated by the Darwinists, are being advanced by the "geniuses in charge" of other issues in our society. For example, a couple of the issues that Prof. Dembski referred to in his post on Robert Ringer's blog (emphasis added):
Is Darwin’s theory true? All the geniuses of science tell us it is true. In fact, they tell us that only the ignorant and stupid masses reject Darwinism. But genius has lost a lot of credibility in our day. The geniuses on Wall Street and in D.C. have made a mess of the economy. And the geniuses who tried to sell us on man-made global warming have, through the Climategate controversy, demonstrated that scientists cannot be trusted to police themselves. Darwinism itself now faces a crisis of confidence.
A crisis which its geniuses are responding to -- as you point out -- by changing the rules of the game to fit the theory. It's fourth and one, and you don't make it. So now it's fifth and one, and you don't make it. So now it's sixth and one and you don't make it. So now it's seventh and one and you don't make it... And finally the play-by-play announcer asks aloud, "How many chances do they get?" It would be nice to be on good enough terms with the officials, to be able to change the rules of football like that I suppose. If you're on the team with ball, that is. But it ain't much of a football game. But isn't that what ClimateGate scandal was all about? A "backdoor" imposition of a theory -- that just had to be true -- accomplished by fudging the data against all rules of honest scientific discourse? And isn't "redefinition" exactly the shell game that's being attempted in the change of terminology from "global warming" to "climate change"? Jaw-droppingly, I'd say, when you begin to see the bigger pattern emerging, the "geniuses on Wall Street and D.C." have been playing the same game. With the economy. Going back to the bursting of the subprime bubble three years ago. As outlined by Automatic Earth yesterday (emphasis added):
First, the US government and the Federal Reserve have injected more trillions of dollars into the system than anyone can keep track of. Moreover, they have done so only in those sectors that remain beyond the grasp of the average American. Which means that we see relative highs in the markets, as well as record or near record amounts paid out in bonuses on Wall Street, and at the same time there are record numbers of foreclosures and record or near record unemployment numbers. While it's true that stock markets have been rising lately, how anyone can see that as proof of a recovery is beyond me. The idea that if you just make the rich richer, the rest will follow, is not even something I want to discuss anymore. Second, any attempt to maintain what could be considered accounting standards, such as those that would apply to you and me, was given up long ago. The reason for this is that the trillions upon trillions of dollars that were taken away from you and your offspring, and handed to the main banks, would still not have been enough by any stretch of the imagination to keep up even the slightest appearance of solvency for these banks. It's important to let that sink in...
Methinks what I'm getting from the geniuses of our society -- who all have a duty to do better than they are doing -- is a whiff of their actual designs. And a hint that they all need policing, because they are turning into lawless thugs. BTW, anyone who wants a primer on how deep the "redefinitions" in the financial world have gone -- to the point of criminality -- IMCO it's hard to beat Dr. William K. Black's 2010 Steinhardt Lecture presented at the Lewis and Clark College of the University of Missouri at Kansas City, titled Why Elite Frauds Cause Recurrent, Intensifying Economic, Political and Moral Crises.jstanley01
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TGP: In truth, much of the effort this week is for reference and "for the record." We have a baseline that demonstrates what is going on, sobering and sad though it is: 1 --> Through the backdoor imposition of ideological materialism, science is being inappropriately redefined by groups like the US NAS and NSTA [which both have a duty to do better than this], in a way that corrupts its ability to fearlessly seek truth about our world on empirical evidence and its best explanation. 2 --> Not only Wikipedia, but also groups like NAS are being caught, hands in the cookie jar, inappropriately redefining origins science theories as "facts." 3 --> NCSE is being caught out slandering and willfully misrepresenting design thought, in ways that are intended to be damaging. 4 --> When confronted with evidence, the ever so present objectors to design theory have suddenly largely gone silent. Telling. Sadly telling. But, a base for the next phase, DV, presenting some of the actual core claims of design theory and the warrant for them. Starting with the explanatory filter and the basic inference to design, and how it interacts with the general scientific method. Then, we can put it in an origins science context. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
January 15, 2011
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kf @ #9. Well done. What a great summary of a significant body of material. I hope there are (other) onlookers. :-)tgpeeler
January 15, 2011
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F/N: Overnight, I have added some links and made a few clarifying adjustments ("mostly" parentheses).kairosfocus
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PS: Even that error-proneness has a function. For, it reminds us that error exists. And, on looking at the attempt to deny that, we see something special: error exists is undeniably true as the attempt to deny it inescapably exemplifies it. So, at least one well warranted undeniable truth exists. Thence, truth and knowledge exist; though -- since we are finite, fallible, morally fallen and too often ill-willed -- we have to be careful and humble about claiming to have attained that exalted state of grace.kairosfocus
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Bevets: I indeed agree that this is a "general revelation" issue. However, that term must be properly understood in context. For, the "revelation" in question works through our experience of ourselves as conscious, intentional, designing, minded, enconscienced, morally bound, knowing [though error-prone] and reasoning creatures on a rather privileged planet that is habitable for life and simultaneously [on the same parameters] invites exploration and analysis of the wider cosmos. Then, when we do that exploration, surprise: the cosmos is evidently set to a finely balanced complex operating point that facilitates the existence of such carbon chemistry, cell based life. A cosmos that very credibly had a beginning. So -- note the logical inference -- it is radically contingent and has a cause, where in that cause must be causal factors that act as necessary factors: if absent or removed, they would block the emergence and thriving of the sort of cosmos we inhabit. Whence can such contingency finds an adequate causal explanation? In a little causal logic exercise: again, in accord with reason, observation and inference to best explanation in light of factual adequacy, coherence and explanatory power. Let's ask: If a contingent being has an external cause, can there be another class of being that does not have external, necessary causal factors, i.e. is a necessary and self-sufficient being? [In the old days the belief was the observed universe was that necessary being, but now that turns out to be contingent. So, the concept is not at all absurd.] The clear answer is yes. And, once we exist in a contingent world, such a necessary being is also a causal necessity, as the root of the observed cosmos. Unless there is something out there that is self-sufficient and self-explanatory, NOTHING contingent can exist, as the required necessary causal factors have to come from somewhere. Could it be a wider quasi-infinite multiverse that bubbles up sub-cosmi on a random distribution, and we just got lucky? Even if such exists -- and that is not a matter of observation to date!!! -- that would not be enough, as a system that emits effects has to have a sufficient cluster of causal factors to set up the distribution of effects. Sufficiency here meaning that where we see a causal result, a contingent entity that has a beginning, on pain of an utter chaos [which we do not observe] there has to be something in place that is a causal force adequate to account for it. That is, once we see how sensitive the local set of parameters are for our sub-cosmos to function, we know that the overall system has to be so set up to capture the range of parameters in which we sit, and explore the range in which our cosmos sits very finely indeed [like trying to catch the turning point of a curve in an experiment]. In short, a cosmos bakery has to be set up right to spit out life-friendly sub cosmi, i.e. it is at least as much fine tuned as our own cosmos. So -- logic again, the multiverse cosmos bakery would be an organised complex and fine tuned system. The best explanation -- note the abductive argument -- for such a fine tuned entity is: intelligent, purposefully directed configuration, or design. So -- logic again, the best candidate to be the necessary being is an intelligent, highly powerful creator who intended to create a cosmos in which life could exist. And unless a necessary being is IMPOSSIBLE (entails a radically incoherent set of properties so cannot be actual), if such a being is possible in a contingent world, such a being is necessary and actual. In addition, we notice that functionally specific, complex organised life does exist, and in our case, we also find ourselves morally bound. The best explanation -- note the logic, again, is that the creator we have identified is also a moral lawgiver, one whose character is good so that IS grounds OUGHT in the necessary being at the root of the observed world. So -- note the logical chain, we have good reason to be theists (i.e to call such a necessary being God); on inference to best explanation on factors evident to us from the world around us and our mind and conscience within. Now, "surprise," that is what Paul argues in Rom 1:
Rom 1:19 For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them. 20For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks) . . .
These were of course quite risky, testable claims when made 2,000 years ago. Had the results of scientific inquiry over the past 350 years pointed away from the pattern discussed above, evolutionary materialists would trumpet the findings of science as proof positive that such claims are unwarranted. But of course, the actual course of science has been very different from what they so confidently hoped. And, that explains much of the vitriol poured on the design inference from life forms and the dismissive contempt that often greets the design inference from the finetuning of the cosmos. So, indeed, we may profitably speak of a general revelation from nature, but that is within the context of the intelligent, critically aware investigation and exploration of our cosmos. It is not an injection of unwarranted a priori assumptions or assertions on the nature of the cosmos or of scientific investigation, and it is on inference to best explanation, not a claimed proof beyond rational dispute. (Those who suggested or assumed that there were such proofs were wrong. It is always possible to take the most valid of arguments P => Q and accept the implication, but if one is sufficiently hostile to the conclusion Q, one may then insist: NOT-Q, so NOT-P. Where the real test then emerges is if one is then reduced to absurdity or selective hyperskepticism or patent question-begging. Arguably, this is exactly what has happened with evolutionary materialism.) But, the point that results is that credible facts of observation are speaking loudly and point to an intelligent root cause beyond our cosmos. That is as far as science qua science can go under present circumstances. Is this the injection of the supernatural into science? Just the opposite, it is a step by step inference on science to credible cause, on inference to best of competing explanations. It points to an intelligent and powerful cause of our observed cosmos, but it is not dependent on any scriptural tradition or unwarranted a priori assumptions to do so. if one can come up with a superior explanation and/or countervailing facts, the picture will change. But, as is well-known, the trend of discovery and he results of logical reasoning on the discovered facts is strongly along the lines outlined. In short, the charge of religious dogmatism and corruption of science does not stick, if examined on any fair basis. The accusation of injecting the supernatural and destroying science is, in fact, ironically, an expression of a question-begging assumption: evolutionary materialism. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
January 14, 2011
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The astute onlooker will also observe something: at no point have we made reference to a theological tradition regarded as an accurate record aka 'General Revelation': Man perceiving God (I know IDers will protest that I have jumped to the last page, but the list of potential designers is quite short) through creation. This is a very low bar. More specific details require Special Revelation.bevets
January 14, 2011
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Steno (and Bevets): First, as I have suggested in the OP, I think there is a point where Creationists, Darwinists and Design thinkers can all come together: the sound practice of science on issues connected to origins, acknowledging the strengths and limitations of scientific methods and warrant for knowledge claims. Namely, viewing science at its best as:
an unfettered (but ethically and intellectually responsible) progressive pursuit of the truth about our world, based on observation, experiment, measurement, logical-mathematical analysis, modelling and discussion among the informed.
When we look at origins-related issues on that, the critical issue is not going to be interpretations of the text of Gen 1 - 3 or the genealogies, etc, but an examination of patterns of cause-effect in the present that lead to identification of key characterising signs that point to what caused various aspects of objects, phenomena and processes. This is where the design inference helps push the ball forward: a --> On the one hand, it is identifying that -- as Plato pointed out so long ago -- cause-effect patterns point to chance/accident, mechanical necessity [Plato's words: "The elements are severally moved by chance and some inherent force according to certain affinities among them . . ."], and art or design. b--> Indeed, 40 years ago, in 1971, Monod published his Chance and Necessity to argue that there was indeed no need for art to account for life, its diverse body plans, and us. That is, the trichotomy is still valid; as statistical hypothesis testing also substantiates. c --> As a second main step, we draw on Cicero's point about digitally coded, functionally specific complex information [dFSCI]:
Is it possible for any man to behold these things, and yet imagine that certain solid and individual bodies move by their natural force and gravitation, and that a world so beautifully adorned was made by their fortuitous concourse? He who believes this may as well believe that if a great quantity of the one-and-twenty letters, composed either of gold or any other matter, were thrown upon the ground, they would fall into such order as legibly to form the Annals of Ennius. I doubt whether fortune could make a single verse of them. How, therefore, can these people assert that the world was made by the fortuitous concourse of atoms, which have no color, no quality—which the Greeks call [poiotes], no sense? [Cicero, THE NATURE OF THE GODS BK II Ch XXXVII, C1 BC, as trans Yonge (Harper & Bros., 1877), pp. 289 - 90.]
d --> Now, Cicero did not have a mathematical theory of probability to work with, but spotted something important. Subsequent to the rise of modern probability, statistics, thermodynamics and information theory, we are in a position to sythesise these points. e --> So, we arrive at the design theory explanatory filter. Excerpting the simple but helpful summary by NWE:
[I]n order to infer design, the Explanatory Filter requires answering “Yes” to all three of the following questions: Is the feature contingent (i.e.. not due to natural law or regularity)? Is the feature complex (i.e., highly improbable)? And is the feature specified (i.e., does it conform to an independently given pattern)? The hallmark of design is thus specified complexity.
f --> That order is important, as low contingency implies mechanical necessity manifesting itself as a natural regularity that we can identify and sum up as a law of nature. A dropped heavy object reliably falls at g - 9.8 m/s^2. g --> High contingency under similar starting circumstances raises the issue: is this undirected or credibly directed? h --> For that, the answer is that chance shows itself in statistical patterns that simply run under probabilistic distributions, so that if we have a sufficiently complex system [very large numbers of contingencies] with relatively small identifiable hot zones, the overwhelming odds on chance will be that we will not be in those hot zone macro-states.
(Indeed, this is the basis for the statistical form of the second law of thermodynamics; e.g. it is why the O2 in the room in which you sit will not be observed to unmix itself and go to one end of the room, leaving you gasping.)
i --> If you do come across a room with the O2 molecules separated out to one side, you will conclude this was by intelligently directed configuration, not by chance. Even, if you have no idea by what technique it was done, or by whom. (Perhaps, by Maxwell's smart little Demon taking a moonlighting job . . . ) j --> Similarly, text strings in posts in this thread do not get that way by chance but by knowledgeable and skilled intention. And, we can infer that from their digitally coded, functionally specific complex organisation and associated information. (The same would hold for object code for a PC, once we see it is dFSCI by noticing that it is functional.) k --> So, we notice that DNA in the cell is also dFSCI. Design thinkers infer that -- on the same uniformity principle used by Lyell, Darwin etc, and anticipated by Newton when he spoke of the same laws in our local solar system applying to distant stars -- the dFSCI in the living cell (on inference to best, albeit provisional, empirically warranted explanation) has the same class of cause as dFSCI in posts in this thread or PC object code. l --> And all chaos breaks loose. Darwinists demand that undirected chance + necessity is the only permissible, and only credible explanation for DNA codes. or else "science" itself will break down. [Notice the NCSE-endorsed remarks in the OP]. On the other side, at least some creationists complain that the uniformity principle is the way that Lyell et al argued for long geological ages, and this violates the clear teaching of scripture. Some theistic Darwinists argue that it is unsound science and god of the gaps theology to infer that design is detectable like that. Others demand that you cannot infer to invisible,un-identified designers that may sound suspiciously like that nasty YHWH we worked so hard to discredit. And more. m --> And yet, the steps are actually simple, clear and well-warranted on empirical evidence and a recognition that like tends to cause like, so we can often find characteristic signs that signify causal patterns. n --> The astute onlooker will also observe something: at no point have we made reference to a theological tradition regarded as an accurate record of the actual state of the past, nor have we claimed a conclusion that is any more than an inference on best and provisional explanation to a causal pattern. Nor, have we identified any particular causal specific agent. Only, that the relevant agent needs to have the capacity to construct systems exhibiting intentionally directed contingency. o --> So, why are the cannon to the right, cannon to the left, and cannon dead ahead volleying and thundering away? p --> A: because the design inference approach unexpectedly cuts the Gordian knot. As Philip Johnson put it, in reply to Lewontin:
For scientific materialists the materialism comes first; the science comes thereafter. [[Emphasis original] We might more accurately term them "materialists employing science." And if materialism is true, then some materialistic theory of evolution has to be true simply as a matter of logical deduction, regardless of the evidence. That theory will necessarily be at least roughly like neo-Darwinism, in that it will have to involve some combination of random changes and law-like processes capable of producing complicated organisms that (in Dawkins’ words) "give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." . . . . The debate about creation and evolution is not deadlocked . . . Biblical literalism is not the issue. The issue is whether materialism and rationality are the same thing. Darwinism is based on an a priori commitment to materialism, not on a philosophically neutral assessment of the evidence. Separate the philosophy from the science, and the proud tower collapses. [[Emphasis added.] [[The Unraveling of Scientific Materialism, First Things, 77 (Nov. 1997), pp. 22 – 25.]
GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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Steno @ 5 Is it time for intelligent design proponents to stop trying to distance ourselves from creationists, and work under a principle of ‘strength in unity’... So can we acknowledge that ID is part of creationism, even if based on general revelation as opposed to special revelation? The genius of Johnson's approach was to find a unifying point between OECs and YECs (something both sides continue to resist) and clearly defining the tension with materialism.bevets
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So to play devils advocate. Is it time for intelligent design proponents to stop trying to distance ourselves from creationists, and work under a principle of 'strength in unity', and embrace the type of philosophy of Alvin Plantinga who has argued that theistic presuppositions in science are at least as valid as naturalistic ones? Henry Morris and Gary Parker were discussing many of the ID ideas such as the universal probability bound in the 1980s, long before ID got going, and some great work on ID can still be found in creation journals Creation In other words, creationists have always embraced ID as part of their work. ID was in Augustine's ideas of the Vestigium Trinitatis and the Sensus divinitatis. So can we acknowledge that ID is part of creationism, even if based on general revelation as opposed to special revelation?Steno
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Collin: Sadly, you seem to be quite correct. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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Bevets strikes again!kairosfocus
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We have this going for us, however, which the evolutionary naturalists don’t, namely, the evidence and arguments are on our side. It’s therefore to our advantage to discuss intelligent design and naturalistic evolution on their merits. Conversely, the other side needs to delegitimate the debate between intelligent design and naturalistic evolution, casting intelligent design as a pseudoscience and characterizing its significance purely in political and religious terms. As a consequence, critics of intelligent design engage in all forms of character assassination, ad hominem attacks, guilt by association, and demonization.~ William Dembski When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff. ~ Cicerobevets
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The NCSE is being dishonest.Collin
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