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Why the “Naturalism” Part of “Methodological Naturalism” is Both Misleading and Unnecessary

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As far as the practice of science is concerned, is there a practical difference between assuming the probability that a miracle will not occur is 1.00 and assuming the probability that a miracle will not occur is 0.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999?

Tom Gilson addresses this question in his contribution to Naturalism and Its Alternatives in Scientific Methodologies in a chapter entitled Methodological Naturalism, Methodological Theism, and Regularism.

Gilson starts off by quoting J. B. S. Haldane:

My practice as a scientist is atheistic. That is to say, when I set up an experiment I assume that no god, angel or devil is going to interfere with its course; and this assumption has been justified by such success as I have achieved in my professional career. I should therefore be intellectually dishonest if I were not also atheistic in the affairs of the world.

Notice Haldane’s false dichotomy:  We must either assume supernatural events never occur, or we must assume some supernatural agent might fiddle with every one of our experiments.  And if we assume the latter science – the study of natural regularities – is impossible.

Haldane’s dichotomy is false, because, as Gilson notes, there is a third option:  “that God established the natural order to work regularly almost all of the time but with extremely rare exceptions.”  If this is the case (and it is according to Christian doctrine), as a practical matter, there is no need to insert the metaphysical biases of either theism or naturalism into scientific methodology.

Why should we care if “naturalism” is inserted into the picture so long as it is of the “methodological” variety (assumed to be true for a limited purpose) as opposed to the ontological variety (asserted to be actually true)?  The answer is, as Haldane’s quote demonstrates, assuming a methodological naturalism inevitably leads down the slippery slope at the bottom of which is the unwarranted conclusion that science supports ontological naturalism.  It does not, but many people mistakenly believe that it does.

Gilson proposes “regularism” (“the methodological expectation of reliable regularity of cause and effect in nature”) as a metaphysically neutral alternative to methodological naturalism:

All that science requires is that nature operate regularly.  That’s all methodological naturalism provides, conceptually, for science.  Science does not require favoring one metaphysical viewpoint over another, provided that both are sufficiently orderly and regular . . . So I conclude here by proposing we drop all the “methodological” business— all the metaphysical trappings, too— and realize that science operates like all of life on an expectation of natural regularity.  If we must have an “ism” to describe it, let’s use regularism.

This is an excellent suggestion.  The success of science is not based on an assumption of atheism, as Haldane mistakenly believed.  It is based on the Christian idea that God established an orderly universe with natural regularities.  Science assumes regularity.  As a practical matter it matters not one whit why that regularity obtains.

As Chesterton wrote in “The Ethics of Elfland”:

We risk the remote possibility of a miracle as we do that of a poisoned pancake or a world-destroying comet. We leave it out of account, not because it is a miracle, and therefore an impossibility, but because it is a miracle, and therefore an exception.

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An explanation requires the entire causal chain. If you want to limit your inquiry to materials used, you are incomplete, and you have something other than an explanation. Andrewasauber
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Andrew, so how is a presumption of the supernatural going to lead to learn how the bridge fell. In fact, is not rejecting the presumption of the supernatural lead you to the explanation of the falling bridge ?tribune7
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I think the issue is that many in the ID movement consider the human soul to be just as supernatural as anything can be, while tribune7 does not. What isn't supernatural about the soul?johnnyb
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Then we agree that naturalism cannot explain everything in nature, and we agree that we can explain a bridge collapse with the why and who of a human agent. You just choose to not call the latter explanation supernatural, since a human is embodied in nature. However, the causal agency that is ultimately responsible for the bridge collapse is the human's desires, reason and free will, none of which can be explained naturalistically, as they cannot be reduced to genes, particles, chemical reactions, etc. They can only be explained supernaturally. Thus, the full explanation for the bridge collapse requires a supernatural explanation and we must assume the supernatural.EricMH
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tribune7, And the explosive chemical reaction wasn't spontaneous. It was caused by a sabotage-minded someone. Andrewasauber
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ErichMH -- The bridge collapses. Assuming the supernatural, will never lead you to understand that the cause was an explosive chemical reaction in a strategic place. Assuming the supernatural will also not lead you to understand that it was a human being that placed it. Now, if are making the argument that the scientific method cannot lead us to understand why that person placed the bomb, I am in agreement, and it may not even be the best way to find out who. The scientific method is just a single investigative tool. It cannot reveal all truth and as noted earlier is not always appropriate. Just the same, if you are investigating a bridge collapse you reject supernatural causes.tribune7
July 3, 2017
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EricMH, you are playing word games. Are human beings part of nature? Again to the point, how would you find sabotage with the assumption of a supernatural cause?tribune7
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What is the saboteur gene, particle, wave, chemical reaction, etc.? Without those, it is not a naturalistic theory. You have to explain the saboteur's behavior by his goal. Naturalism is non-teleological, so cannot have goals. You are sneaking in teleology.EricMH
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EricMH -- How do you explain the saboteurs according to natural causes? A saboteur is by definition human. Humans are part of nature. If a saboteur blew up the bridge it is a natural cause. Now how would assuming a supernatural cause in the destruction of a bridge led to finding the sabotage? More significantly, how could assuming a supernatural cause in the destruction of a bridge led to finding the sabotage?tribune7
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How do you explain the saboteurs according to natural causes?
The Sabotage Particle - Dawkinses next book. ;) Andrewasauber
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How do you explain the saboteurs according to natural causes? You cannot. By including the saboteurs in your definition of "naturalism" you sneak in non-naturalism, just like the rest of science. The only reason methodological naturalism succeeds is because it is not consistently naturalistic.EricMH
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EricMH -- What if the bridge collapsed due to sabotage? If one were to assume a supernatural reason one would never determine sabotage. Saboteurs are part of nature as are poisoners. Design exists in nature else science would not be able to address it. :-)tribune7
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Tribune7: What if the bridge collapsed due to sabotage? If we can only assume natural causes we will never be able to explain why the bridge collapsed. What if people get sick because they are being poisoned? Again, natural causes will never get us an answer.EricMH
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Johnny B: Interesting points, especially in that the regularity that you point out as the (useful) point of methodical naturalism is actually threatened by various naturalistic schemes involving spontaneous/"something from 'nothing'" origins of the universe. I would expect that, in general, an intelligence that decides when and when not to create a universe is going to be far more regular than a metaphysical froth of bubbling universes. Of course, once you start having to approach and compare the structure and properties of your meta-universal bubble machine the 'naturalism' in your "methodical naturalism" just becomes a euphemism for "whatever may suit my Epicurean philosophical palate."LocalMinimum
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Very interesting talk JohnnyB. I see your point regarding the assumption of natural cause especially in context with ID albeit even there there is specifically not an assumption of a supernatural one. It's funny and sad that if one accepts the existence of God as axiomatic, then this little discussion becomes moot. Why did the bridge collapse? You assume a natural cause in the investigation and not gremlins. Why do people die at a higher than expected rate when they are in proximity to the forbidden swamp? You assume a natural reason and not evil spirits. And of course why is killing people wrong to harvest their organs? Because our Creator says so. One of the great ironies I sometimes consider is what would have happened if James Randi ever did get stumped by a "miracle". Would it have meant he came into contact with the divine or merely a better magician?tribune7
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Additionally, non-materialism has already snuck into physics through any kind of action at a distance, such as gravity and magnetism. Furthermore, if Hume is correct, cause and effect are non-naturalistic, and even more fundamentally, any correlation is non-naturalistic. Then the entire scientific method is non-naturalism in disguise.EricMH
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If we consider the range of possible mathematical models to describe natural phenomena, the naturalistic ones are an extremely small subset. It is extremely biased, then, to claim only naturalistic models are admissible.EricMH
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tribune7 - You might be interested in my talk Solving Engineering Problems Using Theology as well as checking out the Naturalism and Its Alternatives book on Amazon.johnnyb
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tribune7 - it is not just that. There is no reason to assume that effects in nature have natural causes. The only presumption required for science is that they contain some regularities. The source of the regularity (material / immaterial) doesn't matter for the methodology of science. The rest of the book contains multiple chapters on how non-naturalistic events can be analyzed and used to good effect in science and engineering.johnnyb
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If one investigates events in nature then one by definition presumes a natural cause. This is appropriate. Observing-hypothesizing-testing i.e. the scientific method is a means of making this investigation. So practicing the scientific method presumes a natural cause and, appropriately rejects miracles. The problem comes when it is treated as an axiom that everything has a natural cause and the scientific method can provide all answers. This is a dogma based entirely on wishful thinking. It is actually anti-science in the same way trying to use a hammer to spot weld is anti-construction. One can use the scientific method to solve specific worldly problems and still believe that there is a Creator not subject to nature who sets our purpose and declares what's right and wrong. To say that one must reject God -- and the Bible -- to be a scientist is anti-reason and rather sick.tribune7
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