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Will Texas Face Court Challenges to the New Science Standards?

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Now that the moaning and hand-wringing are over, there’s talk of mounting some legal challenges to the new science standards in Texas. At issue aren’t the standards themselves, but the personal motivations of some of the Board members who advocated for these standards.

Now the issue is whether there is enough prima facie evidence to challenge the Constitutionality of the wording now, or wait for the textbook review process in two years.

“They have shown clear religious motivations that certainly raise some questions,” Quinn said. “But if the board requires phony religious arguments in the science textbooks, I can’t imagine somebody won’t challenge it.” Publishers may end up producing a textbook for Texas and other conservative states and a separate version for other states—because under the new guidelines, a Texas textbook “will be poison in states that value education,” [Dan Quinn, a spokesman for the Texas Freedom Network].


I guess Quinn isn’t bothered at all by the motivations of atheists or philosophical naturalists who want to teach students that no matter how complex and specified biological systems might appear, the design is only apparent and not actual because nature posses all the creative power to produce it through chance and/or necessity. If Quinn is really concerned about motivations, he ought to check the philosophical and worldview motivations of those who want to promote naturalism as science in science classrooms. He has nary a peep about any of that.

So here’s a few questions for Mr. Quinn and anyone else sweating bullets over the “religious” motivations of those who question the way science is taught in public school classrooms: What does a worldview free science classroom look like? How do you sucessfully divorce science from any and all philosophical underpinnings? And if you can’t do that, how do you decide which philosophical considerations are necessary for science and which aren’t?

While we’re on the subject of motivations, perhaps Mr. Quinn might take note that William Wilberforce fought for over 20 years in the early 1800’s to end the slave trade in England motivated almost entirely by his “religion” (Christianity). Should England have repealed the anti-slave trade act because of those “religious” motivations? Or can we only call motivations into question when it involves how we teach science? If so, Mr. Quinn, what’s your specific criteria for determining those motivations and deciding that no matter how good the standards might be, if they were inspired by the “wrong” motivations, we just can’t let them stand.

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GilDodgen wrote:
You have mysteriously missed the entire point. ID is not a theory of mechanism, as is materialistic evolutionary theory. ID is a theory of design detection.
Perhaps, but perhaps not. If ID claims itself to have a superior explanation for the diversity of life on this planet, then simply stopping at "Eureka, we think we've found something" is not going to build a better model, and in fact is not really that compelling a model at all in explaing how life developed. Assuming we've found a designer, how did the designer create a new species? How long did it take? What energy/material was needed? Why haven't we seen it happen in recent history? Can we make it happen on command? I've read repeatedly in this forum that "Darwinism is in ruins", yet your quote above suggests that ID is not really interested in forming an alternative theory, merely detecting the possible presence of something that may or may not become the basis of an explanation at some point in the future.mikev6
April 15, 2009
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Gil, I've been trying to ask you a question for a while, but I think it keeps getting lost in the shuffle. If you have time, I'd love a response.David Kellogg
April 15, 2009
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Ludwig
To add some context, readers should understand that the motivations behind the Texas standards are relevant because of the United States Supreme Court’s so-called “Lemon test,” developed in the 1971 case of Lemon v. Kurtzman. The first prong of that test is whether legislation has a “legitimate secular purpose.” If the purpose is to advance religious ideas, it violates the first amendment under the Lemon test.
Well let's see, would teaching students how to analyze and evaluate scientific evidence serve a secular purpose or advance a "religious" agenda? Regardless of the motives, the new standards in Texas clearly advance a secular purpose. It only those who want to advance their own agenda that don't want students to learn how to analyze and evaluate scientific evidence...even though that's what real scientists do every singel day. The Lemon test is irrelevant to the Texas standards, all the weeping, moaning and hand-wringing from the anti-ID crowd not-with-standing.DonaldM
April 15, 2009
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tragic mishap:
Gil: “Republic of Altruistic Personal Enhancement” I think I can guess what I would get. Lots of junk email.
Nice try, but look again.GilDodgen
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This is a fairly grand claim, but don’t recall seeing much detailed information on the topic in the standard info on ID.
You have mysteriously missed the entire point. ID is not a theory of mechanism, as is materialistic evolutionary theory. ID is a theory of design detection. Darwinian theory is a theory of mechanism, and it is hopelessly vacuous in light of modern science and information theory. The "grand claim" is that the Darwinian mechanism can create highly sophisticated computer programs and human consciousness, with hopelessly inadequate probabilistic resources.GilDodgen
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Gil: "Republic of Altruistic Personal Enhancement" I think I can guess what I would get. Lots of junk email. :Dtragic mishap
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Since we're on the topic of philosophical underpinnings of science, I'd be interested in getting a better explanation of how an empirical science that includes non-naturalistic entities is supposed to operate *and* be superior to a naturalistic science. This is a fairly grand claim, but don't recall seeing much detailed information on the topic in the standard info on ID.mikev6
April 15, 2009
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But Gil discovery and ideas are terrifying things for the anti-ID crowd.Joseph
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“Discovery Institute,” “IDEA clubs” I believe that they are interested in discovery and ideas. The "Texas Freedom Network" is not interested in freedom by any stretch of the imagination. It is interested in the suppression of freedom, ideas, and discovery that might cause young students to question Darwinian dogma.GilDodgen
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"The nicer the name, the more you should be suspicious." Hmm. So many names to consider: "Discovery Institute," "IDEA clubs" . . .David Kellogg
April 15, 2009
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Dan Quinn, a spokesman for the Texas Freedom Network
You have to love this. The "Freedom Network" is fighting against the freedom of students and teachers to challenge, on purely scientific grounds, a "theory" that is in a state of evidential collapse. This reminds me of the "People's Republics," which are universally run by vicious dictatorial thugs, and in which "the people" have no voice. The nicer the name, the more you should be suspicious. If a country had the name, "Republic of Altruistic Personal Enhancement," you could probably guess what you would get.GilDodgen
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To add some context, readers should understand that the motivations behind the Texas standards are relevant because of the United States Supreme Court's so-called "Lemon test," developed in the 1971 case of Lemon v. Kurtzman. The first prong of that test is whether legislation has a "legitimate secular purpose." If the purpose is to advance religious ideas, it violates the first amendment under the Lemon test. For a thorough discussion of Lemon and an example of its application, curious readers can consult the federal district court opinion in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School Dist. (E.D. Pa. 2005), which concluded that the purpose of the school board's policy of referring students to the ID textbook Of Pandas and People was to "advance religion," running afoul of the Lemon test. The opinion can be easily found via any Internet search engine.Ludwig
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“But if the board requires phony religious arguments in the science textbooks, I can’t imagine somebody won’t challenge it.”
What if the board just requires sound scientific arguments in those science textbooks, but those arguments dispute the mainstream PoV?Joseph
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