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It’s time to start delivering on a promise to address “warrant, knowledge, logic and first duties of reason as a cluster,” even at risk of being thought pedantic. Our civilisation is going through a crisis of confidence, down to the roots. If it is to be restored, that is where we have to start, and in the face of rampant hyperskepticism, relativism, subjectivism, emotivism, outright nihilism and irrationality, we need to have confidence regarding knowledge.

Doing my penance, I suppose: these are key issues and so here I stand, in good conscience, I can do no other, God help me.

For a start, from the days of Plato, knowledge has classically been defined as “justified, true belief.” However, in 1963, the late Mr Gettier put the cat in among the pigeons, with Gettier counter-examples; which have since been multiplied. In effect, there are circumstances (and yes, sometimes seemingly contrived, but these are instructive thought exercises) in which someone or a circle may be justified to hold a belief but on taking a wider view such cannot reasonably be held to be a case of knowledge.

As a typical thought exercise, consider a circle of soldiers and sailors on some remote Pacific island, who are eagerly awaiting a tape of a championship match sent out by the usual morale units. They get it, play it and rejoice that team A has won over team B (and the few who thought otherwise have to cough up on their bets to the contrary). Unbeknownst to them, through clerical error, it was last year’s match, which had the same A vs B match-up and more or less the same outcome. They are justified — have a right — to believe, what they believe is so, but somehow the two fail to connect leading to accidental, not reliable arrival at truth.

Knowledge must be built of sterner stuff.

Ever since, epistemology as a discipline, has struggled to rebuild a solid consensus on what knowledge is.

Plantinga weighed in with a multi-volume study, championing warrant, which(as we just noted) is at first defined by bill of requisites. That is, we start with what it must do. So, warrant — this builds on the dictionary/legal/commercial sense of a reliable guarantee of performance “as advertised” — will be whatever reliably converts beliefs we have a right to into knowledge.

The challenge being, to fill in the blank, “Warrant is: __________ .”

Plantinga then summarises, in his third volume:

The question is as old as Plato’s Theaetetus: what is it that distinguishes knowledge from mere true belief? What further quality or quantity must a true belief have, if it is to constitute knowledge? This is one of the main questions of epistemology. (No doubt that is why it is called ‘theory of knowledge’.) Along with nearly all subsequent thinkers, Plato takes it for granted that knowledge is at least true belief: you know a proposition p only if you believe it, and only if it is true. [–> I would soften to credibly, true as we often use knowledge in that softer, defeat-able sense cf Science] But Plato goes on to point out that true belief, while necessary for knowledge, is clearly not sufficient: it is entirely possible to believe something that is true without knowing it . . .

[Skipping over internalism vs externalism, Gettier, blue vs grue or bleen etc etc] Suppose we use the term ‘warrant’ to denote that further quality or quantity (perhaps it comes in degrees), whatever precisely it may be, enough of which distinguishes knowledge from mere true belief. Then our question (the subject of W[arrant and] P[roper] F[unction]): what is warrant?

My suggestion (WPF, chapters 1 and 2) begins with the idea that a belief has warrant only if it is produced by cognitive faculties that are functioning properly, subject to no disorder or dysfunction—construed as including absence of impedance as well as pathology. The notion of proper function is fundamental to our central ways of thinking about knowledge. But that notion is inextricably bound with another: that of a design plan.37

Human beings and their organs are so constructed that there is a way they should work, a way they are supposed to work, a way they work when they work right; this is the way they work when there is no malfunction . . . We needn’t initially take the notions of design plan and way in which a thing is supposed to work to entail conscious design or purpose [–> design, often is naturally evident, e.g. eyes are to see and ears to hear, both, reasonably accurately] . . .

Accordingly, the first element in our conception of warrant (so I say) is that a belief has warrant for someone only if her faculties are functioning properly, are subject to no dysfunction, in producing that belief.39 But that’s not enough.

Many systems of your body, obviously, are designed to work in a certain kind of environment . . . . this is still not enough. It is clearly possible that a belief be produced by cognitive faculties that are functioning properly in an environment for which they were designed, but nonetheless lack warrant; the above two conditions are not sufficient. We think that the purpose or function of our belief-producing faculties is to furnish us with true (or verisimilitudinous) belief. As we saw above in connection with the F&M complaint [= Freud and Marx], however, it is clearly possible that the purpose or function of some belief-producing faculties or mechanisms is the production of beliefs with some other virtue—perhaps that of enabling us to get along in this cold, cruel, threatening world, or of enabling us to survive a dangerous situation or a life-threatening disease.

So we must add that the belief in question is produced by cognitive faculties such that the purpose of those faculties is that of producing true belief.

More exactly, we must add that the portion of the design plan governing the production of the belief in question is aimed at the production of true belief (rather than survival, or psychological comfort, or the possibility of loyalty, or something else) . . . .

[W]hat must be added is that the design plan in question is a good one, one that is successfully aimed at truth, one such that there is a high (objective) probability that a belief produced according to that plan will be true (or nearly true). Put in a nutshell, then, a belief has warrant for a person S only if that belief is produced in S by cognitive faculties functioning properly (subject to no dysfunction) in a cognitive environment [both macro and micro . . . ] that is appropriate for S’s kind of cognitive faculties, according to a design plan that is successfully aimed at truth. We must add, furthermore, that when a belief meets these conditions and does enjoy warrant, the degree of warrant it enjoys depends on the strength of the belief, the firmness with which S holds it. This is intended as an account of the central core of our concept of warrant; there is a penumbral area surrounding the central core where there are many analogical extensions of that central core; and beyond the penumbral area, still another belt of vagueness and imprecision, a host of possible cases and circumstances where there is really no answer to the question whether a given case is or isn’t a case of warrant.41 [Warranted Christian Belief (NY/Oxford: OUP, 2000), pp 153 ff. See onward, Warrant, the Current Debate and Warrant and Proper Function; also, by Plantinga.]

So, we may profitably distinguish [a] Plantinga’s specification (bill of requisites) for warrant and [b] his theory of warrant. The latter, being (for the hard core):

a belief has warrant for a person S only if that belief is produced in S by cognitive faculties functioning properly (subject to no dysfunction) in a cognitive environment [both macro and micro . . . ] that is appropriate for S’s kind of cognitive faculties, according to a design plan that is successfully aimed at truth.

Obviously, warrant comes in degrees, which is just what we need to have. Certain things are known to utterly unchangeable certainty, others are to moral certainty, others for good reason are held to be reasonably reliable though not certain enough to trust when the stakes are high, other things are in doubt as to whether they are knowledge, some things outright fail any responsible test.

That’s why I have taken up and commend a modified form, recognising that what we think is credibly, reliably true today may oftentimes be corrected for cause tomorrow. (Back in High School Chemistry class, I used to imagine a courier arriving at the door to deliver the latest updates to our teacher.)

Yes, I accept that many knowledge claims are defeat-able, so open-ended and provisional.

Indeed, that is part of what distinguishes the prudence and fair-mindedness of sober knowledge claims hard won and held or even stoutly defended in the face of uncertainty and challenge from the false certitude of blind ideologies. Especially, where deductive logical schemes can have no stronger warrant than their underlying axioms and assumptions and where inductive warrant provides support, not utterly certain, incorrigible, absolute demonstration.

That said, we must recognise that some few things are self-evident, e.g.:

While self-evident truths cannot amount to enough to build a worldview, they can provide plumb line tests relevant to the reliability of warrant for what we accept as knowledge:

Such, of course, bring to the fore Ciceronian first duties of reason:

Marcus [in de Legibus, introductory remarks, C1 BC, being Cicero himself]: . . . we shall have to explain the true nature of moral justice, which is congenial and correspondent with the true nature of man [–> we are seeing the root vision of natural law, coeval with our humanity] . . . . “Law (say [“many learned men”]) is the highest reason, implanted in nature, which prescribes those things which ought to be done, and forbids the contrary” . . . . They therefore conceive that the voice of conscience is a law, that moral prudence is a law [–> a key remark] , whose operation is to urge us to good actions, and restrain us from evil ones . . . . the origin of justice is to be sought in the divine law of eternal and immutable morality. This indeed is the true energy of nature, the very soul and essence of wisdom, the test of virtue and vice.

We may readily expand such first duties of reason: to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour, so also to fairness and justice. Where, it may readily be seen that the would-be objector invariably appeals to the said duties. Does s/he object, false, or doubtfully so, or errors of reason, or failure to warrant, or unfairness or the like, alike, s/he appeals to the very same duties, collapsing in self-referentiality. So, instead, let us acknowledge that these are inescapable, true, self-evident.

It may help, too to bring out first principles of right reason, such as:

Laws of logic in action as glorified common-sense first principles of right reason

Expanding as a first list:

Such enable us to better use our senses and faculties to build knowledge. END

U/D May 16, regarding the Overton window, first, just an outline:

Next, as applied:

Backgrounder, on the political spectrum:

Comments
StephenB
Do you mean that you have no moral duty to refrain from lying, cheating, stealing, slandering, or murdering?
An objective, binding duty? Then I would say, no. However, the people who I want to continue to associate with have certain expectations of me. That includes to refrain from lying, cheating, stealing, slandering, and murdering. Seems like a small price to pay.paige
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Paige: -- "With regard to people having a moral “duty” I tend to agree with WJM that nobody has a moral “duty”. Do you mean that you have no moral duty to refrain from lying, cheating, stealing, slandering, or murdering?StephenB
May 11, 2021
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Paige, thanks for letting us know that you reject the binding nature of duty. Which BTW means that you reject that people have rights that are any more binding than the mouth of a gun (however disguised behind judicial robes). KFkairosfocus
May 11, 2021
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With regard to people having a moral “duty” I tend to agree with WJM that nobody has a moral “duty”. What we each have is moral expectations of others that are based on the moral expectations we have for ourselves. And, in many cases, these expectations that we have for others is incompatible with the moral expectations they have for themselves.paige
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WJM --- “My perspective, which is consistent with IRT, is that true, lasting, deep happiness (which I refer to as enjoyment) is the result of having a properly organized psychology. The only way to properly organize one’s psychology for lasting, fulfilling enjoyment is to understand and accept that finding and experiencing this kind of happiness/enjoyment is our inherent purpose, demonstrated true by our existential and unavoidable nature that I made the case for in prior comments above.” There is much truth in that comment. I wholeheartedly agree that happiness is the mental state that we should seek and that it depends, in large part, on having a properly organized psychology, similar perhaps to something like Plato’s Chariot Allegory, which describes that intellect as a faculty that ought to rule the appetites and passions. However, there are certain moral commitments that must be present in order to realize this psychological goal. We cannot, for example, escape the responsibility for trying to learn if we have been created and designed for some ultimate destiny that transcends our psychological state, such as the possibility that we were made to be united with our creator after we die. Under those circumstances, our psychological health, as well as our moral status, will depend on the extent to which we pursue that destiny. Our actions would be “morally good” if they move us toward that destination and “morally bad” if they move us away from it. A large part of our task, therefore, is to seek knowledge about “higher truths” if, indeed, such higher truths exist. Can we know beyond a reasonable doubt, for example, that God exists? Yes, of course we can. According to the best science, the universe once didn’t exist and now does. The only rational explanation, given reason’s law of cause and effect, is that an eternal personal being brought it into existence. Any other reaction or conclusion is irrational. But what kind of God could this be? Once again, reason should be our guide. The law of identity rules out the prospect that God’s identity could be synonymous with our identity, which is another way of saying that we cannot, ourselves, be God or, for that matter, a part of God. According to the law of non-contradiction, God cannot both transcend the universe and also be organic with it. So, once again, reason answers a lot of questions that our “experience” cannot even begin to approach. Yes, our personal experiences do matter, but they do not provide enough information to formulate a rational and comprehensive world view.StephenB
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WJM: --- “But, what are the “true statements” I attempt to make necessarily about? Well, the only thing they can be about: my experience. I cannot possibly hope to make true statements about anything else.” Once again, this statement reflects an unrealistic and radically self-centered world view. Even in the limited context of *experience*, we can say, truthfully, and with intellectual confidence, that everyone will die. It is a true statement about everyone’s experience, not just your experience. ---“Characterizing “truth telling” as a “duty” depends on the morality argument, and the morality argument fails.” The existence of an objective moral law is a self-evident truth. It doesn’t need an argument; it is the starting point for making arguments. We must begin any rational inquiry by recognizing the existence of a self evident truth of some kind, which unlike our experience, is foundational. One good example would be when we use our faculty of intellect to apprehend an aspect of the natural moral law (we should not commit murder) and to refine that instinctive knowledge through the use of our reason (self-defense is not murder). It is our moral duty to act on what we know to be true.StephenB
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WJM, there is an old saying in my homeland that what sweet nanny goat mouth run 'im belly. To give a simple application, savings -- the foundation of investment -- are postponement of consumption. KFkairosfocus
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Comment 38 continued, briefly, to make a further point: Here's the psychological trick: the above perspective has this psychological reaction in most people: it's self-centered, selfish and egotistical. They've accepted the programming that these are "bad things" and "should be avoided." Well, isn't that convenient for those that wish to tell us what "larger purpose" or "greater good" we should be serving.William J Murray
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Jerry and SA bring up interesting perspectives above. First, I use the word "enjoyment" instead of "pleasure" for a reason; to include a wider, richer range of experiences that can be included in the category. One can enjoy all sorts of things; a horror movie that scares them; a tragic tearjerker. Even though these things can frighten us and make us sad, we can still rightfully say we greatly enjoyed the experience. Some (if not all) enjoyments require prior, contrasting experience for an enjoyment to be experienced, or at least to be more fully enjoyed. Enjoyment in a, say, more profound sense, is about the sense of being whole and satisfied, fulfilled, feeling enthusiastic; having a sense of wonder and deep appreciation; a sense of confidence and joy; a deep experience of loving and being loved; of feeling valued and perhaps necessary in some sense; all elements, I think, of what I would call a true and lasting happiness. The question might be, can such be attained in this world? Is happiness, as characterized above, the product of the state of one's conditions, or is happiness the result of one's psychology, regardless of the conditions one happens to be in at the time? My perspective, which is consistent with IRT, is that true, lasting, deep happiness (which I refer to as enjoyment) is the result of having a properly organized psychology. The only way to properly organize one's psychology for lasting, fulfilling enjoyment is to understand and accept that finding and experiencing this kind of happiness/enjoyment is our inherent purpose, demonstrated true by our existential and unavoidable nature that I made the case for in prior comments above. What makes this so difficult, so seemingly unattainable for most people? I suggest that it is because people have been psychologically conditioned, or call it subconsciously programmed, into being in a state of inner conflict with this "true, inescapable purpose." They have been programmed into believing they want X and that X will deliver increased enjoyment; that some enjoyments are trivial or bad for you; to largely ignore direct enjoyments for vague abstractions; and largely being programmed that their personal enjoyment is unimportant. They have also, IMO, been programmed with a metaphysical worldview that imprisons them within a tiny range of potentials and perspectives, to where they don't even realize they have other options. They have agreed to sit within a prison of fear - fear of programmed, abstract, eternal consequences if they do not organize their choices the way they are told. Fear of stepping out of line, of displeasing the authority(ies), fear of consequences brought to them by some abstract spiritual/religious law or being(s). But, even so, this is ultimately their preferential choice; IMO, they prefer this to full and unfettered freedom, self-authority and self-responsibility. They can leave that prison any time they wish.William J Murray
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Regarding "enjoyment" as the duty and goal. That term is too close to "pleasure" - and that's a problem. Epicurus held that pleasure was the goal. Increase pleasure, reduce suffering. (Hedonism). But the search for pleasure is annihilation, not growth. It's just satisfying the body and the soul dies. Happiness is not the pursuit of pleasure (enjoyment in that sense) - but the pursuit of Goodness, Truth and Beauty. To acquire those in the highest degrees requires sacrifice -- so suffering is a part of it, not something to avoid. Pleasure would say "always avoid what is difficult and painful" - but happiness requires us to take on what is difficult and painful for a greater good.Silver Asiatic
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why what most pursue to find happiness/enjoyment will always fall short
I think Boethius was talking about "temporal happiness" - the happiness that philosophers proposed that could be had in this world alone. As he sat in jail he reflected - and happiness cannot be achieved in this world since it is necessarily temporary and fleeting. If we place our happiness in things that pass away, then our happiness passes away also. The struggle for virtue can cause us sadness also. St. Francis was asked one day why animals seem so happy. They're running, playing, swimming - birds are singing or soaring in the sky seemingly carefree. He answered: "Animals are happy because they were created for this world. We are created for another world - so we have sadness here".Silver Asiatic
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these are all the pathways to “permanent enjoyment”.
Boethius awaiting his execution wrote one of the most insightful documents in history. Most of us fail to understand how it permeates our lives.                                 The Consolation of Philosophy The treatise among a lot of things explores just what is happiness and why what most pursue to find happiness/enjoyment will always fall short. For example, we constantly pursue things that provide DOSE (Dopamine, Oxytocin, Serotonin, Endorphin) but each is fleeting. So we try our best to find new and consistent ways to provide them. For example, hugging your love ones provides Oxytocin. So humans have a built in desire/drive to find happiness. The problem is they fail to understand what will actually do it.jerry
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KF
Principles, of highest reason instructing us on duties coeval with our humanity that aptly describe our moral government, accurately stating that it is the case that we ought to seek after and do the right thing towards truth, right reason, prudence, sound conscience, neighbour, fairness and justice, etc
Yes, I agree. We have the responsibility and duty to right reason. This means we must distinguish truth from falsehood, rational thought from irrational - and choose the former in each. But to do this, we must respect that First Principles - namely that the Law of Identity indicates a distinction between Being and non-being. Additionally, reason requires comparison. When we see the meaning and purpose our existence, we align one thing (ourself) with another (intellectual and moral standards) to achieve the goal. Virtues are the perfection of human nature - so we aim at that.Silver Asiatic
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WJM
So, existentially speaking, there is only a “duty” to enjoyment. Our available options are always chosen by preference towards the goal of enjoyment.
Yes, true. We seek "permanent enjoyment" because if it was only temporary then it fails. Another term for "permanent enjoyment" would be "eternal happiness". We have a duty towards happiness - which is the fulfillment of who we are. Pursuit of truth, use of reason, intellectual virtues, moral virtues - these are all the pathways to "permanent enjoyment".Silver Asiatic
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WJM
When I say I do not know how old Robert Downey Jr. is today, am I making a truth claim about Robert Downey Jr.’s age? Of course not.
If you said that you know his age, even without telling me the age - you've made an affirmation of truth about him. He is a person who's age you know. In the same way, you're categorizing his age as something unknown to you - that is certainly a truth statement about him. You're pointing to an entity and saying that there is something you do not know about that entity - you're defining, categorizing, identifying things about that entity. To say that you only know your own experience and cannot make a truth statement about anything else, is saying that "anything else" is a collection of entities (or an entity at least) of which you cannot make truth statements about. As such, however, you're defining that entity - making a truth statement about it. "That is something I cannot make a certain statement about". That's how I (and everyone) knows what you're talking about when you say "I only know my experience and cannot make a truth statement about anything else". We know what you mean by "anything else" - that's the external world. You point to it and say you can't make a truth statement about it. But that's the contradiction, since you establish the entity "external to my experience world" and describe it as something you cannot make a truth statement about. That entity exists and that's why you refer to it. Otherwise, you wouldn't reference it as something "other than my experience" - you wouldn't have any reference for it. If I say that I do not know the age of the universe, I cannot say that I cannot make any statement of truth about the universe.Silver Asiatic
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The idea of "moral duty" is about a an ought that is it's own is as an ought. Oughts are only oughts if one can do what they ought not; it requires that context. That we must think, at least fundamentally, according to the basic rules of logic, is not an ought because it doesn't provide any options. An ought can only exist in the context of existent, recognized and available actionable options. The use of fundamental logical principles does not have such a context. There is no other option to even have a single coherent thought. Math provides no alternative to 2+2=4, just as logic provides no option to A=A. There are no inherent choices available. They do not exist as "oughts." Is there an existential quality that exists as a context of options within which everyone must makes choices in regards to? Yep. There is only one such existential quality (that I can find:) free will. It is inherently, necessarily about choices, and existentially requires available, actionable, existent options. A existential "moral duty" would require a recognizable, unavoidable purpose or goal; an existential goal that one can make choices via their free will to fulfill. IOW, a true existential "moral duty" requires that both the means to acquire the goal, and the goal itself, should be as recognizably absolute as math and logic, or 2+2=4. Does free will contain such recognizable, absolute means and goal? Yes. Yes it does. When I thought this through this morning, it was so obvious it shocked me. I've actually stated it before, but not via this line of thought. This is the exact reason I participate here and love to have my views critically challenged, for these kinds of realizations. So, a giant, heartfelt thank you to everyone who participated. The existential, unavoidable means is preference; we cannot act except out of preference. It is an inherent, inescapable quality of free will. What is the inescapable, necessary, recognizable goal of the means? Enjoyment. All preferential choices are about, one way or another, increasing experiential enjoyment or avoiding/eliminating experiences we do not enjoy. And here's the realization that is so obvious I marvel that I didn't make this connection before: all moral guidelines, all spiritual and religious structures promise the same ultimate, eventual outcome: maximum available enjoyment, either here or in the eventual hereafter. The carrot is always experiential enjoyment; the stick is always something very unenjoyable. Even if there was a belief system where the right choices would lead - eventually - to an unenjoyable state, you would still be serving the abstract enjoyment of believing you were doing the right things, even if it meant sacrificing your own direct enjoyments. That would still be that person's preferential form of enjoyment. So, existentially speaking, there is only a "duty" to enjoyment. Our available options are always chosen by preference towards the goal of enjoyment. Every single belief system and worldview has these essential qualities, and we act according to these things whether or not we even think we have a belief system or worldview. Enjoyment is the only possible goal; free will preferential choices towards that goal (however we define it personally) are the only kinds of choices we can possibly make; the goal and the option-laden means to get there (which comprise the necessary aspects for an "ought-as-its-own-is") are recognizable as inviolable aspects of our existence. So, if one wants to call it an existential "Moral Duty" (I wouldn't call it that,) then our moral duty is absolutely clear: do that which you believe will lead you to your greatest level of experiential enjoyment. William J Murray
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KF said:
WJM, your attempted denial again implies and appeals to our acknowledgement of said first duties of reason. KF
This is like watching someone try to make the argument that consciousness is an illusion and/or that we do not have free will. That you don't see how self-defeating this argument is, is kind of a wonder to behold. If I existentially. cannot help but do a thing, that action cannot be my unwitting fulfillment of a moral duty, and it cannot "point" to any moral duty because you cannot get an ought from an is. There is no choice involved. There is no moral "decision" to make. Perhaps you think that because I choose to make the best rational arguments I can here, and that this is indeed a choice, I am "acknowledging" my moral duty to "right reason." I cannot be "acknowledging" something I have explicitly rejected. acknowledge: 1. accept or admit the existence or truth of. 2. recognize the fact or importance or quality of. There has been no such explicit acknowledgement. So, perhaps you mean that my behavioral choices here, in choosing to make the best rational arguments I can, represents an implicit or de facto acknowledgement, in the same way that a materialist's argument implicitly acknowledges free will even if they are making a case against it. The error you are making in this argument is that it is not my job to show that moral duties do not exist, that my behaviors do not point to a moral duty - that's impossible. It's your job to show that moral duties do exist. Your entire argument here simply assumes they exist. You simply assert that these behaviors point to an an implicit acknowledgement of a moral duty without making the case that moral duties exist in the first place. You haven't shown morality to be a necessary existential commodity like free will and rational thought. If you're trying to imply its existence from those things and from unavoidable behaviors that necessarily occur because of those things. That cannot be done because, I repeat, you can't get an ought from an is. I directly experience self-as-consciousness, free will/preference, fundamental logic, and fundamental math. These are existential unavoidables. You have yet to make the case that morality represents a fundamental aspect of existence, so arguing that unavoidable behaviors resulting from those existential commodities "indicate" existential moral duties is simply assuming your premise that moral duties exist in the first place. That is an non-valid circular argument.; Until you show how morality is part of our existential makeup, like math or free will, your constant insistence that everything I do implicitly acknowledges existential moral duties is just bald assertion.William J Murray
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SA, we can make many responsible claims about hypothetical worlds beyond our experience or the infinite or impossible beings etc. That said, WJM is in key part talking on how reasoning passes through our conscious, self-aware minds. So, as we are conscious self aware subjects, who recognise that we may err our duties extend to seeking good, objective warrant towards reliable knowledge of credible truth, and thence such knowledge regarding truths of duty. Principles, of highest reason instructing us on duties coeval with our humanity that aptly describe our moral government, accurately stating that it is the case that we ought to seek after and do the right thing towards truth, right reason, prudence, sound conscience, neighbour, fairness and justice, etc. I come from a nation where rejection of sound economics and historically informed political prudence led to shipwreck a generation ago. Just to speak the unwelcome core truths on that sad history from credible sources would put lives at immediate, terrifying risk. The duties I point to are hardly matters of ivory tower idle academic speculation. KFkairosfocus
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WJM,
inherent and necessary use of reason (however badly) to think and act coherently does not necessarily “draw out,” “point to”, or “indicate” any moral duty to do so. It may correlate to a moral duty to use right reason, but you have failed to make the case that such a moral duty exists.
See the microcosm-facet effect in action? Just the opposite of what you tried to assert, your inherent, necessary and coherence terms flag what you try to fend off at a distance as merely correlation. You are forced by the governing first duties to appeal to our implicit acknowledgement of binding first duties, which by simple reciprocity extends to you too, and yes that is the neighbour principle. The duties are inescapable, so true and self-evident. They are first duties and first principles inescapably bound up in all our acts of reasoning and arguing, that is why there is that correlation. They are as facets, involved with the others, mutually present and interacting to give the overall flash and fire. Further, yes, choice implies preference, and freedom implies just that, we are free to try to make personal advantage by flouting duty, manipulating, misleading or deceiving others, or simply to act with irrational whimsy [within limits]. But that's the point of duty, thus is-ought, we may choose to do what we ought not. Though, consequences stem from such, especially as chaotic behaviours become a wave swamping a culture or community. Reason's rules imply duties of right, responsible reason. Including, of course that knowledge claims ought to be responsibly made, on sound warrant with good reliability. Something that is seemingly increasingly abused under doubtful colours of following the science. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: We may find Wikipedia's introduction on Gettier Problems interesting:
The Gettier problem, in the field of epistemology, is a landmark philosophical problem concerning the understanding of descriptive knowledge. Attributed to American philosopher Edmund Gettier, Gettier-type counterexamples (called "Gettier-cases") challenge the long-held justified true belief (JTB) account of knowledge. The JTB account holds that knowledge is equivalent to justified true belief; if all three conditions (justification, truth, and belief) are met of a given claim, then we have knowledge of that claim. In his 1963 three-page paper titled "Is Justified True Belief Knowledge?",[1] Gettier attempts to illustrate by means of two counterexamples that there are cases where individuals can have a justified, true belief regarding a claim but still fail to know it because the reasons for the belief, while justified, turn out to be false. Thus, Gettier claims to have shown that the JTB account is inadequate; that it does not account for all of the necessary and sufficient conditions for knowledge. The term "Gettier problem", "Gettier case", or even the adjective "Gettiered", is sometimes used to describe any case in the field of epistemology that purports to repudiate the JTB account of knowledge. Responses to Gettier's paper have been numerous; some reject Gettier's examples, while others seek to adjust the JTB account of knowledge and blunt the force of these counterexamples. Gettier problems have even found their way into sociological experiments, where the intuitive responses from people of varying demographics to Gettier cases have been studied.[2]
Their article on Epistemology, similarly, begins:
Epistemology (/??p?st??m?l?d?i/ (About this soundlisten); from Greek ????????, epist?m? 'knowledge', and -logy) is the branch of philosophy concerned with knowledge. Epistemologists study the nature, origin, and scope of knowledge, epistemic justification, the rationality of belief, and various related issues. Epistemology is considered one of the four main branches of philosophy, along with ethics, logic, and metaphysics.[1] Debates in epistemology are generally clustered around four core areas:[2][3][4] The philosophical analysis of the nature of knowledge and the conditions required for a belief to constitute knowledge, such as truth and justification Potential sources of knowledge and justified belief, such as perception, reason, memory, and testimony The structure of a body of knowledge or justified belief, including whether all justified beliefs must be derived from justified foundational beliefs or whether justification requires only a coherent set of beliefs Philosophical skepticism, which questions the possibility of knowledge, and related problems, such as whether skepticism poses a threat to our ordinary knowledge claims and whether it is possible to refute skeptical arguments In these debates and others, epistemology aims to answer questions such as "What do we know?", "What does it mean to say that we know something?", "What makes justified beliefs justified?", and "How do we know that we know?".
Notice the implicit dichotomy between knowledge and justified belief? I suspect that for many ordinary people, knowledge is viewed as more or less certain and authoritative or credible to the point that counter-claims are regarded as dubious. Belief or faith is then contrasted and given a low estimation, especially when Big S Science or the like august authority is put on the table. We see here an echo of the dichotomy between faith or belief and reason. It is therefore a shocker to learn that the longstanding view on knowledge turned on an account of justified true belief. Belief, pointing to the attitude and degree of acceptance of knowledge claims as true. It seems fair that one cannot know what s/he seriously doubts or disbelieves or dismisses. So, knowledge attaches to the individual person and implies willingness to acknowledge responsibly warranted claims. This immediately points to duties of care regarding truth and reasoning towards truth. Down that road, obviously, we can explore the Ciceronian first duties, given his summary on law as "highest reason . . ." Likewise, duties point to moral government of our intellectual life. The solution of the IS-OUGHT gap is going to be central to our life of the mind. Where, we also see that claimed truth is asserted as effectively certain in the classic account of knowledge. Indeed, "fact" enters here as overlapping both effective certainty of truth and "knowledge." In turn truth -- while subject to all sorts of twists and turns in today's climate of hyperskepticism, radical relativism, emotivism etc -- is reasonably taken on Aristotle's account: that which says of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not. That is, logic of being lurks, where one's statements can speak accurately to what is impossible of being [square circles], what is possible and may/may not be the case [e.g. a fire], what is not just possible but is so framework to any distinct world W that it necessarily is. The microcosm/ interacting facets/ holism principle is at work, where all seem to be bound up in the one facet and each facet contributes to all. That already highlights that we want to find coherent unity amidst the diversity. Our problems do not arise in cases of genuine self evident truth. They indeed are certain, but comparatively, they are few and do not amount to a full worldview framework. However, we are haunted by a key SET expressed in the Royce proposition, error exists. Which, as the OP notes, is undeniably true and so inescapable. A most humbling truth that sets up our challenge: how can we be responsibly certain (to what degree, or can we bbe certain at all?) regarding knowledge and facts etc? Nor is global or selective hyperskepticism an adequate answer. Nor, is Scientism, the voice of Big-S Science does not exhaust or monopolise knowledge. In that context, given the shattering power of the Gettier cases and the earthquake that still reverberates, there is manifest wisdom in a fresh departure along Plantinga's lines. Wanted, some X-factor that reliably transmutes belief into knowledge; labelled warrant. In that regard, we can see the force of recognising that many senses of knowledge are soft, i.e. they are subject to defeat and correction. Indeed, prior to 1963, it would have routinely been accepted that JTB was known to be the general consensus, state of the art understanding of knowledge. That is, a seemingly satisfactory account was known. Similarly, for nigh on 200 years, Newtonian Dynamics ruled the roost. Then, boom. So, it is advisable to distinguish degrees of knowledge claim, the X-factor must come in degrees. So must our attachment to belief that claimed knowledge point K is fully true. In that context, and after due considerations on our senses, common sense, reasoning, error-proneness, tendency to fall into intellectual vices etc, we can see a due force in Plantinga's summary . . . note, in volume three of a trilogy on epistemology . . . on knowledge and warrant for a subject S [and by extension a circle of agreeing subjects):
a belief has warrant for a person S only if that belief is produced in S by cognitive faculties functioning properly (subject to no dysfunction) in a cognitive environment [both macro and micro . . . ] that is appropriate for S’s kind of cognitive faculties, according to a design plan that is successfully aimed at truth.
Given the issue of degree of certainty and that of defeat-able claims, we can see why I summarised knowledge as headlined:
warranted, credibly true (so, reliable) belief
Warrant is already a challenge, and credible truth highlights the reliable so far but subject to correction provisionality implicated in the claim. However, civilisation -- and especially high-tech civilisation -- is built on cumulative knowledge so we can see that yes, we can erect good enough albeit imperfect bodies of reliable, effective knowledge. Unfortunately, we may also have fallacy-riddled ideologies posing as knowledge, leading to a warped, tainted knowledge base and infrastructure. So, discernment -- a key aspect of prudence and wider wisdom -- is vital. Hence, the challenge of the crooked yardstick vs the naturally straight, upright plumb line. A test that, today, many are failing. KFkairosfocus
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WJM, your attempted denial again implies and appeals to our acknowledgement of said first duties of reason. KFkairosfocus
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SA:
It seemed that you said that you are unable to make truth statements about such things, and in stating that, you made a statement about them. You classified them.
No, I didn't. I made a statement about what I do not know. That is a truth claim about what I know and do not know. It is not a truth claim about the thing I do not know. When I say I do not know how old Robert Downey Jr. is today, am I making a truth claim about Robert Downey Jr.'s age? Of course not.William J Murray
May 10, 2021
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WJM
It’s not a statement about things outside of my experience.
It seemed that you said that you are unable to make truth statements about such things, and in stating that, you made a statement about them. You classified them.Silver Asiatic
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SB said:
In the search for truth, our first task should be less about discovering particular truths about ourselves and more about acknowledging the generalizable truths that apply to everyone, that is, to human nature itself.
You are free to make that your first task, and you are free to believe that is what "everyone" should do. I see no reason to do that since all I can ever know are my own experiences.
When you say things like “our self-evident existential mode is experiential,” you are not really expressing a meaningful or comprehensible thought.
I'm sure you don't find it meaningful or comprehensible, but that's not really my problem.
Personal enjoyment may be your ethical standard, but it is not the essential nature of a moral choice, which is a response to one’s perception about what is right or wrong.
Personal enjoyment is not my "ethical standard;" it's what I recognize that I necessarily, existentially seek in all choices, in some form. Moral choices are those that may or may not serve a direct enjoyment, but they certainly serve an abstract enjoyment.
Yet again, when you insist that knowledge is always about understanding how our choices affect our experiences, you are misusing words that ought to be respected for their inherent meaning.
Words are symbols that are used to identify things and express relationships between things, ideas, values, etc. They have no "inherent" meaning. They have the meaning that is assigned to them.
...you are promoting a radical kind of self-centeredness in which one seeks to remake the world in his own image and likeness, which is the very opposite of what an honest intellectual inquiry should be.
Honest intellectual inquiry begins with honestly acknowledging the inherent limitations of what one can gain knowledge about, and how one is gaining that knowledge, and how it can be applied. This is what I have done, whether it is radical or not, whether it is "self-centered" or not.William J Murray
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SA @ 21, said:
But that’s is a true statement about something other than your experience (you call it “anything else”), .."
No, it's a statement about the limitations of my capacity to make true statements. It's not a statement about things outside of my experience. KF said:
WJM, the force of the point still obtains.
Not what you argue that it does.
That will draw out the force of first duties of reason. KF
We've been over this. The inherent and necessary use of reason (however badly) to think and act coherently does not necessarily "draw out," "point to", or "indicate" any moral duty to do so. It may correlate to a moral duty to use right reason, but you have failed to make the case that such a moral duty exists. I could as easily argue that because nobody can use their free will in a non-preferential way, that existential nature "indicates" a "moral first duty" to act according to our preferences. The ironic part is that while I can lie or ignore reason, I cannot ever act in a non-preferential manner. In fact, people choose to lie and ignore reason in service of preference. If I wanted to make a moral agument, I'd say the proof is in the pudding; preference trumps duties to reason or truth as the primordial moral duty above all other considerations. I mean, you know, if, as you say, existential unavoidables indicate moral duties. Checkmate, mate.William J Murray
May 10, 2021
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WJM
But, what are the “true statements” I attempt to make necessarily about? Well, the only thing they can be about: my experience. I cannot possibly hope to make true statements about anything else.
I disagree. You can and actually have made a true statement about something other than your experience. Your proposal is that you cannot make a true statement about "anything else". So, "anything else" is that which you cannot make a true statement about. But that's is a true statement about something other than your experience (you call it "anything else"), so on that basis, your proposal is refuted.Silver Asiatic
May 10, 2021
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Jerry, indeed, some beliefs are more responsibly held than others. Beyond, lies the matter of reliability and plausibility that beliefs acquired by X or Y or Z means, are worthy of trust when much is at stake. KFkairosfocus
May 10, 2021
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WJM, the force of the point still obtains. Why should an argument -- yours, mine, Dawkins', whoever's -- be taken seriously? That will draw out the force of first duties of reason. KFkairosfocus
May 10, 2021
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On further reflection, it seems that WJM's concept of choice was focused less on which moral choices we make and more about choices in general, which do, indeed, have a preferential. component. Still, many of our choices also have a moral component that should be taken into account before we make a decision.StephenB
May 10, 2021
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VL, I wrote to draw attention to a major subject of professional debate that was exploded into major proportions 58 years ago by Gettier, and which has not settled down to date. Your failure to recognise such speaks for itself, not to the advantage of your oh why so many words. The matter is not simple or obvious and requires responsible comment even at 101 level is why. Notice, annotated very carefully chosen excerpt on the core matter. KFkairosfocus
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