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IHU- Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, is a significant French research institute that has continued its work on CV 19. For the record, here are excerpts from some recent work, headlined from threads where such would be buried:

EXH 1: >>COVID-IHU #15

Version 1 du 27 Mai 2020
Early diagnosis and management of COVID-19 patients: a real-life cohort study of 3,737 patients, Marseille, France

Abstract

Background:
In our institute in Marseille, France, we proposed early and massive screening for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Hospitalization and early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) was proposed for the positive cases.

Methods:
We retrospectively report the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods (“others”). Outcomes were death, transfer to the intensive care unit (ICU), ? 10 days of hospitalization and viral shedding.

Results:
By testing 101,522 samples by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) from 65,993 individuals, we diagnosed 6,836 patients (10.4%), including 3,737 included in our cohort. The mean age was 45 (sd 17) years, 45% were male, and the fatality rate was 0.9%. We performed 2,065 low-dose computed tomography (CT) scans highlighting lung lesions in 581 of the 933 (62%) patients with minimal clinical symptoms (NEWS score = 0). A discrepancy between spontaneous dyspnoea, hypoxemia and lung lesions was observed. Clinical factors (age, comorbidities, NEWS-2 score), biological factors (lymphopenia; eosinopenia; decrease in blood zinc; and increase in D-dimers, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), creatinine phosphokinase (CPK), and c-reactive protein (CRP)) and moderate and severe lesions detected in low-dose CT scans were associated with poor clinical outcome. Treatment with HCQ-AZ was associated with a decreased risk of transfer to the ICU or death (HR 0.19 0.12-0.29), decreased risk of hospitalization ?10 days (odds ratios 95% CI 0.37 0.26-0.51) and shorter duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.27 1.16-1.39). QTc prolongation (>60 ms) was observed in 25 patients (0.67%) leading to the cessation of treatment in 3 cases. No cases of torsade de pointe or sudden death were observed.

Conclusion
Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ result in a significantly better clinical outcome and contagiosity in patients with COVID-19 than other treatments. Long-term follow-up to screen for fibrosis will be the next challenge in the management of COVID-19.>>

EXH 2: >>Adjusting series of patients for trial comparisons for COVID –
19 treatments

Author list :
3Audrey GIRAUD -GATINEAU1,2,3,4 (PhD student); Jean Christophe LAGIER 1,4,5 (MD); 4 Yolande OBADIA 1
(MD); Hervé CHAUDET 1,2,3 (MD); Didier RAOULT 1,5* (MD)

Abstract:

Background
: SARS – COV-2 has emerged and spread around the world since December 2019. Studies initiated in Marseille by our hospital centre have suggested significant clinical effectiveness of treatment by combining hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ+AZ). However, due to the
urgency of responding to the pandemic, they were not obtained through randomized controlled trials. Alternative assessment methods are therefore needed.

Methods:
We compared our data in silico with those published by two studies comparing 32 other antiviral drugs. For this purpose, random sampling was performed in our cohort to 33 obtain similar groups for disease severity, gender, age and comorbidities associated with 34 chronic diseases with patients included in the remdesivir and lopinavir-ritonavir trials.

Findings:
Dual HCQ+AZ therapy was associated with 3 times fewer deaths than
similar 37groups treated either with lopinavir-ritonavir(9% vs 20%, p-value = 0·03) or standard care 38 (8% vs 25·2%, p-value = 0·001). Compared with patients included in the remdesivir
study by 39 Wang et al., we also showed a significant difference in the clinical outcome (proportion of 40cured patients with negative viral load) in favour of HCQ+AZ (77.8% versus 58·2% p = 0·0001). 42 43

Interpretation:
Although comparison of HCQ+AZ with other antiviral drugs has limitations 44due to aggregated data, this study provides additional evidence showing that HCQ+AZ should 45 be the systematic treatment of choice after diagnosis of COVID -19 -positive cases. 46 47

Funding:
This work was supported by the French Government under the “Investments for theFuture” programme managed by the National Agency for Research (ANR), Méditerranée- Infection 10-
IAHU – 03 , and was also supported by Région Provence Alpes Côte d’Azur and European funding FEDER PRIMMI (Fonds Européen de Développement Régional -51 Plateformes de Recherche et d’Innovation Mutualisées Méditerranée Infection)>>

EXH 3: >>Assay
Randomised Controlled Trials during epidemic

Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger, Didier Raoult
Aix Marseille Université, IRD, MEPHI, VITROME,
ORS Paca, IHU-Méditerranée Infection, Marseille,
France

In epidemics there is an urgent need for new knowledge on drug efficacy to help policymakers fight the crisis. Yet the best research methodology to do this is a matter of de bate, write Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger and Didier Raoult .

The outbreak of an emerging infectious agent needs the rapid involvement of research to bring new knowledge. Past experience with Ebola virus outbreaks and, more recently SARS-CoV 2, have raised a question over the place of randomised controlled trials (RCTs) as the methodology of choice to
answer clinical questions in an novel epidemic situation. Drug safety and effectiveness is a long process which can take years. For antimicrobials, just 25% of drugs submitted to phase 1 succeed to Phase 3 and further licensing (1). This is why, in an epidemic, drug repurposing is often looked at, because drug toxicity has already been evaluated (2).

An RCT isdesigned to attempt to reduce bias, particularly in trials evaluating new drugs. The principle is to random assign volunteers into two or more treatment options and then compare them against a measured outcome. As RCTs reduce causality and spurious bias, they are considered to be the most reliable form of scientific evidence. For these reasons, they are required for market authorisation of a new pharmaceutical drug and cited by healthcare policies as a mandatory means for decision -making about treatments.

When gold standard becomes unethical

In emerging disease outbreaks, there is an urgent lack of treatments for the new pathogen. When a particular therapeutic option is supported by scientifically demonstrated efficacy in vitro and or in animal model, and supported further by clinical case reports and/or pilot series in humans, it is ethically difficult to argue that the data still needs to be confirmed in an RCT before it can be made available to patients. Especially if it seems “obvious” that control (untreated) subjects will have poorer outcomes than those receiving treatment. As one study mocked, there would be few volunteers for the placebo group in an RCT on the parachute’s effectiveness in avoiding death by jumping out of an airplane, unless the jump had an average height of 0.6 m (3).

When even imperfect scientific data show a particularly obvious effect, it is no longer ethical to perform an RCT since it forces patients to accept either not to be treated (in the control arm), or to be treated with a molecule known to be effective. Consider the advent of penicillin. It took five
patients before Sir Edward Abraham could definitively demonstrate that penicillin saved 100% of patients with staphylococcus or streptococcus infections. Nobody today would dare to test the efficacy of penicillin on pneumococcal pneumonia compared to placebo . . . >>

Food for thought, especially given the fiasco of the seemingly decisive Lancet paper which then had to be withdrawn. The remarks on the gold standard fallacies are particularly significant.

The underlying issue is that selective hyperskepticism is leading to ignoring of cumulatively adequate but somehow unwelcome findings, tracing to ethical weaknesses including the error of imagining skepticism an intellectual virtue and using it to substitute for prudence. We need to restore that due balance to our reasoning and decision-making.

A useful brief summary on prudence is:

Prudence is the virtue that disposes practical reason to discern our true good in every circumstance and to choose the right means of achieving it; “the prudent man looks where he is going.”65 “Keep sane and sober for your prayers.”66 Prudence is “right reason in action,” writes St. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle.67 It is not to be confused with timidity or fear, nor with duplicity or dissimulation. It is called auriga virtutum (the charioteer of the virtues); it guides the other virtues by setting rule and measure. It is prudence that immediately guides the judgment of conscience. The prudent man determines and directs his conduct in accordance with this judgment. With the help of this virtue we apply moral principles to particular cases without error and overcome doubts about the good to achieve and the evil to avoid.

Further food for thought, on seven indicative, inescapable first duties of responsible reason: to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour, so to fairness and justice, etc. . END

Comments
Low cost like dexamethasone? Wait, you believe hundreds of thousands have died of COVID-19 because they took placebos during an RCT? Seriously?rhampton7
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Again RHampton demonstrates a lack of understanding of the issues. Placebos have been used since the beginning and hundreds of thousands have died. We all know that the great majority will not be hospitalized but still hundreds of thousands have died. If Remdesivir or dexamethasone have no harmful side effects see if they prevent hospitalization. However Remdesivir cost about thousand dollars a treatment and requires IV application. There are other treatments that are low cost. Try them all early on the high risk population.jerry
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Placebos tell us if the treatment is actually better than standard care. You do know that COVID-19 doesn’t always progress to a lethal stage, and that sometimes the body can clear it by itself. The sugar pills demonstrate what the body can do and represent what any potential treatment must exceed. Those RCTs apply to Remdesivir and dexamethasone as well, or would you prescribe them carte Blanche as well?rhampton7
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RH7, if a placebo control test is violating the do no harm principle it is wrongful, producing ethically tainted results. Perhaps you paid no attention when I pointed to the capital case: results from murderous Nazi medical experiments, in succeeding decades, saved far more lives than were murdered in the holocaust. The profession spent many years going over the same knowledge base on sounder investigations until it could retire the earlier results, precisely because of the taint. Let that be a lesson. KF PS You have not addressed either the results nor the ethical issues.kairosfocus
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Yes, they do know. They also know the results of RCTs against COVID-19 Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine attack malaria by raising the pH level of parasite cells. Doing so gets in the way of important biochemical reactions that the parasite relies on to spread. https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/what-is-hydroxychloroquine-and-does-it-treat-covid-19rhampton7
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KF, I suppose it is your opinion that the hundreds of RCTs underway are altogether amoral or immoral, and not the product of a different, though still respectable, morality. So the French doctors have not only solved the medical treatment of COVID-19, but the ethical dilemmas as well? Very convenient.rhampton7
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It's a shame we don't have any data on the patients' pH levels. It sucks when trials are run just for the sake of running them and no one really understands what the drug is supposed to be doing in order for it to be effective.ET
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Doctor Ana Maria Henao Restrepo, from the WHO's health emergencies programme, told a virtual press conference in Geneva that the antimalarial drug was being withdrawn from its multi-country Solidarity Trial of potential treatments. "The internal evidence from the Solidarity/Discovery Trial, the external evidence from the Recovery Trial and the combined evidence from these large randomised trials, brought together, suggest that hydroxychloroquine -- when compared with the standard of care in the treatment of hospitalised COVID-19 patients -- does not result in the reduction of the mortality of those patients," she said. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/anti-malarial-drug-hcq-does-not-reduce-covid-19-mortality-rate-says-who-halts-trial-2248023rhampton7
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RHampton’s comment from Forbes is actually an endorsement of HCQ. It is mainly an ad hominem attack using irrelevant studies as support. That always evidence for the opposite. Does anyone believe this author would use relevant information if he had it. So RHampton endorses HCQ.jerry
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RH7, First, I challenge you to engage the epistemological-ethical challenge posed by placebo -- sugar pill -- controlled studies in the face of a fast moving, deadly pandemic, noting the issues raised by Dr Raoult, the Kennedy School authors and even the undersigned. Second, I challenge you to address the implications of the chain of cases raised by Dr Raoult, per the OP, i/l/o also addressing the problem of selective hyperskepticism and linked gold standard fallacy regarding empirical evidence and inductive logic, further informed by the do no harm principle. Third, I challenge you to actually study just who and what Dr Raoult is, noting that nope he did not vault into public attention in March, he has long been an established and even renowned French Scientist with a career dealing with infectious diseases. KFkairosfocus
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Dexamethasone reduces the death rate of those on ventilators by 35%. It reduces the death rate on those needing oxygen by 20%. Saving some is better than nothing but they should push vitamin D if they want to save more people.ET
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Raising vitamin D blood concentrations above 40ng/mL seems to be highly recommended. It, alone, most likely would have saved thousands of people: Ilie PC, et al. “The role of vitamin D in the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 infection and mortality.” Aging Clin Exp Res. 2020;1:4. Grant WB, et al. “Evidence that vitamin D supplementation could reduce risk of influenza and COVID-19 infections and deaths.” Nutrients. 2020;12(4):E988.ET
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RH7- You don't even understand how HCQ is supposed to work against the virus. The people that wrote the reports you cite don't seem to understand it, either. There is plenty of scientific evidence that zinc prevents viruses from replicating. There is plenty of evidence that HCQ also acts as an ionophore. But please remain willfully ignorant. The new drug only works for people in the worst stages of the virus. that is a plus but there are ways to keep it from getting that advanced.ET
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Raoult vaulted into the public eye in March, when he published a very small study claiming that a combination of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, and the antibiotic azithromycin could cure COVID-19. Claimed Raoult: “ We know how to cure the disease” (Didier Raoult, quoted in the NY Times) Actually, Raoult’s proclamations began earlier, on February 25, when he posted a video on YouTube called “Coronavirus, game over.” Not surprisingly, the world took notice. (Note that as the evidence for his so-called treatment evaporated, he re-titled the video “Coronavirus, towards a way out of the crisis.”) Raoult’s study was deeply flawed, and it has been taken apart by multiple scientists, so I won’t repeat all their points here. A good summary of many of the flaws was written by Elisabeth Bik, first on Twitter and then in a blog article, back in late March. Among other flaws, the study dropped 6 of the 26 patients who were given hydroxychloroquine without explaining why. One of those patients died. “My results always look amazing if I leave out the patients who died,” Bik commented. Raoult is not happy with Dr. Bik. He recently called her a “witch hunter” on Twitter. This apparently is not unusual for Raoult; the NY Times compares his psychology to that of Napoleon. I wonder what he’ll call me after this article appears. In addition to its serious flaws, the paper was published in a journal whose editor-in-chief, Jean-Marc Rolain, was also a co-author on the paper. Even worse is the fact that, as the journal itself notes, the paper was accepted just one day after being submitted. Clearly, this paper did not undergo careful peer review, and it reeks of extremely sloppy science. One final note about Didier Raoult: he has a truly unbelievable number of scientific publications, over 2,800 according to PubMed. From 2012-2019, he averaged 176 papers per year, or about one paper every two days. Speaking as a scientist, it simply isn’t possible that he made any real contribution to the vast majority of these papers. The NY Times explained that Raoult puts his name on every paper published by his institute, which employs hundreds of scientists. Again, speaking as a scientist, this is grossly unethical. No scientist should put his/her name on a paper unless they made a genuine scientific contribution to it. At many universities, Raoult’s behavior would be grounds for dismissal. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2020/05/18/what-do-trump-and-yale-medical-school-have-in-common-both-were-duped-about-a-covid-19-treatment/rhampton7
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RH7, you still duck evidence on the table. KF
R7 has not been ducking anything. In fact, he has provided tons of evidence that you, for some strange bias, have ignored. HCQ has been shown in multiple studies to Not be effective, and not to be an effective prophylactic. You have hitched your wagon to one doctor who refuses to conduct proper controlled studies even though he has had the time and numbers to do so. Why haven’t you touted the use of dexamethasone, which has been shown to be very effective in preventing death in serious COVID-19 infections, as you have HCQ, which has a very questionable track record?Ed George
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KF, I’m actually going with the science on this one and waiting for more RCT results to come in. To date, it looks doubtful that hydroxychloroquine works as a preventative treatment. It also appears to be useless after the disease has gotten to the lungs. The window in between is still being investigated, though we did learn that it is harmful to some percentage of people of African descent. We know all of this because of RCTs. What you have never addressed is why the French “miracle cure” only seems to work miracles in one French institution. Science should be repeatable regardless of location, culture, language, etc.rhampton7
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RH7, you still duck evidence on the table. KFkairosfocus
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Latin America's largest country has so far registered more than 888,000 coronavirus cases and nearly 44,000 deaths, second on both counts only to the United States. But while other countries have been through steep curves and are now focused on preparations for a possible second wave, Brazil can't even get past its first. What's happening here appears to be unique on a global level. Despite soaring numbers, officials never implemented measures largely successful elsewhere in the world. There has been no national lockdown. No national testing campaign. No agreed-upon plan. Insufficient health-care expansion. Instead, the hardest-hit cities are now deciding to open up, throwing open the doors to malls and churches, at a time when the country is routinely posting more than 30,000 new cases a day - five times more than Italy reported at the peak of its outbreak. Limited resources always meant that Brazil had far less room for error - less room for political disagreement in the face of an outbreak - than its more developed peers. But despite the stakes, the country never found unity. President Jair Bolsonaro, who continues to dismiss the disease and its victims, has urged a policy of doing nothing. He has attacked governors who advocated restrictive measures as corrupt liars, waded into crowds of supporters in defiance of his advisers' admonitions and threatened to host a large barbecue to spite public health recommendations. He never empowered health experts and scientists to lead a response. Instead, they were undermined and ignored, sidelined and pushed out. He fired his first health minister, Luiz Henrique Mandetta, whose sober briefings had calmed anxious Brazilians, after they'd clashed over the need for social distancing. Then he pushed out his replacement, Nelson Teich, who failed to share his zeal for using chloroquine as a coronavirus treatment. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/brazil-bolsonaro-coronavirus-cases-deaths-reopening-second-wave/2020/06/15/3282d27e-ae4b-11ea-856d-5054296735e5_story.htmlrhampton7
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Texas Governor Greg Abbott doubled down on comments made in an interview Monday with Lubbock's KLBK-TV, saying people under the age of 30 are somewhat responsible for the recent spike in COVID-19 cases and make up the majority of new positives. Abbott did not offer evidence to support the claim but pointed to news reports out of Lubbock, Bexar and Cameron counties as well as photos of bars that he said were clearly not following standards on occupancy and distancing. He upheld the TABC's recent move to begin enforcing those standards as a strategy to make such bars and restaurants comply, saying the commission would be issuing 30-day suspensions on liquor licenses if establishments violated standards, followed by a 60-day suspension for a second violation. https://www.chron.com/news/article/It-s-still-here-Gov-Abbott-warns-Texans-not-15344403.phprhampton7
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The state of Florida has not distributed most of the 1 million doses of the drug hydroxychloroquine, often used as a drug of last resort to help patients with COVID-19, which were provided free from the Israeli drug maker Teva Pharmaceuticals. The drug arrived in Florida in two shipments in April in a deal that Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said was facilitated by U.S. Ambassador to Israel David Friedman, Politico reported. About 20,000 doses of the drug have been distributed to the hospitals, and the state is sitting on the 980,000 others, while patients with lupus, who rely on hydroxychloroquine to stave off organ damage, pain and disability, are having trouble finding the drug and in some cases are being forced to pay triple or to substitute the more expansive brand-name version, Plaquenil, the Fort Myers News-Press reported Saturday. https://www.jpost.com/international/florida-has-not-distributed-most-of-hydroxychloroquine-doses-from-israel-631622rhampton7
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A cheap and widely-used steroid called dexamethasone has become the first drug shown to be able to save lives among Covid-19 patients in what scientists said is a “major breakthrough” in the coronavirus pandemic. Trial results announced on Tuesday showed dexamethasone, which is used to reduce inflammation in other diseases such as arthritis, reduced death rates by around a third among the most severely ill of Covid-19 patients admitted to hospital. Health Secretary Matt Hancock hailed it as “the world’s first successful clinical trial for a treatment for Covid-19”. Martin Landray, an Oxford University professor co-leading the trial, known as the RECOVERY trial said, “It’s going to be very hard for any drug really to replace this, given that for less than 50 pounds ($63), you can treat eight patients and save a life,” https://www.pharmacy.biz/steroid-drug-hailed-as-breakthrough-in-covid-19-as-trial-shows-it-saves-lives/rhampton7
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Mayo Clinic COVID-19 Research Task Force chair Dr. Andrew Badley told Fox Business on Tuesday that he supports the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s decision to revoke the emergency use authorization for malaria drug hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the coronavirus. "The process by which hydroxychloroquine was evaluated was appropriate and thorough, he said, adding that “there’s been a large number of studies now… [and] it appears to have no effect in controlled clinical trials.” When asked about the side effects for those who are taking hydroxychloroquine, Badley said they “can be serious and/or life-threatening … but they tend to manifest relatively early, and so if you have not had that already, you are unlikely to." https://www.newsmax.com/us/dr-andrew-badley-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-treatment/2020/06/16/id/972441/rhampton7
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RP, Mr Trump has nothing to do with the matter of warrant for inductive evidence and linked ethical considerations tied to the do no harm principle. I challenge you to address the three papers as excerpted and linked in the OP. KFkairosfocus
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LoL! @ Retired Physicist!!!! We were discussing HCQ before Trump said anything about it. The drug that British researchers found to be effective can only be used on severe cases- once it gets into your lungs and prevents you from breathing properly. That is a good thing, definitely. But finding something that goes to work to prevent that cycle is betterET
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UD Commenter: "Your position X is erroneous" UD Troll: "You don't know my position." Narrarator: "Dog suddenly is not barking again as he splashes in the mud." Andrewasauber
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Trump touted Hydrochloroquine and so some people can’t admit that it was wrong.
Both MedCram and Medmastery provided YouTube videos on the science behind the usefulness of HCQ before Trump made his statement. This was posted before and is not about Raoult or Zelenko. It is from a Brazilian doctor who bills himself as publishing on virology and evolutionary biology. It is a list of 50 relevant references to HCQ or CQ https://bit.ly/2ZfQAGX One reference is from 1983.
Shibata M, Aoki H, Tsurumi T, et al. Mechanism of uncoating of influenza B virus in MDCK cells: action of chloroquine. J Gen Virol 1983; 64: 1149–56.
They had information almost 40 years ago on the effect of CQ on killing viruses or at least some viruses.jerry
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Clearly here just to muddy the waters.
No, just the opposite. My experience with people who criticize and do not provide valid counter information or only nitpick is that they reinforce the argument they are criticizing. They are examples of the famous "dog barking in the night." What barking? There was no barking. That is the point I am making. From "Silver Blaze" the actual wording:
Gregory:: Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention? Holmes: To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time. Gregory: The dog did nothing in the night-time. Holmes: That was the curious incident.
This site is full of a lot of dogs that never bark. They are extremely useful because they validate what they are criticizing.jerry
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@Seversky I think it’s because Trump touted Hydrochloroquine and so some people can’t admit that it was wrong. There is a drug that some British researchers just said is showing a positive effect, but I can’t remember the name of it at the moment and I’ve got other things going on. Dex something?Retired Physicist
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seversky is off the mark, again. The medcram videos are not about those 2 doctors. They are not from those 2 doctors. Once again reality refutes severskyET
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the impression you get from reading comments here is that if it’s not about hydrochloroquine (and zinc) and coming from Dr Raoult and Dr Zelensky then there’s no interest.
That is utter nonsense. By the way, I have no idea who Dr. Zelensky is. The president of Ukraine is named Zelensky. Is that who you mean? I don't think he is a doctor.jerry
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