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Dr Zelenko on Israel National News, May 21, 2020 — forthcoming paper ~ two weeks?

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Dr Zelenko expects to be in publication along with some German colleagues, in about two weeks. In the following video (pardon quality issues):

. . . he asks, in effect, isn’t it standard to treat a disease as early as possible, so why the strange difference here? He makes a comparison to how a fire can flash over into a much more dangerous stage and notes how much easier it is to hit it while it is small. He expresses a measure of anger with medical and political establishments, /do allow for that.

He identifies that by the time people are at a Doctor’s office they are likely to be about day 5 in the disease process, on the verge of an explosion in viral load with attendant damage to the body.

He estimates turnaround time at about 3 days on tests, thus if you wait you likely have had serious damage due to explosion in viral load with attendant cell destruction to produce those viruses; linked doubtless, is immune response which can spin out of control in a potentially fatal cytokine storm.

He points to manageable toxicity and safety then suggests, go on the drug cocktail, then pull back if there is no need.

An implication of his discussion is what we may call the U-model of such a disease as this. As came up in a current UD thread:

The idea is that a fast-mover disease like this triggers a U-shaped trend (with a potentially catastrophic descending arm), where the crisis is the bend. Those who fail to make it, unfortunately die . . . a reverse J as the rising arm has been frustrated. Recovery then takes an onward period so recovery statistics lag death statistics, part of the epidemiologist’s headaches. Of course, relapses can move us to a W . . . double U . . . etc. So, we have a simple descriptive model of the trend of such an illness. [This is similar to the plucking model of recession in economics.] The stitch in time factor is, to hit the process early in the descending arm, so the U is shallow; you will probably recall the question of building up one’s “resistance” to colds, Flu and the like. In the context of Ivermectin, its preliminary indication is that it can help to pluck back up from further down the descending arm. And of course hospitalisation is an index of being fairly far down the arm, ICU being a yet worse sign. Intubation and Ventilation are grim signs.

While we wait on his announced publication, we may wish to discuss. END

PS: An interesting second vid comes from India, courtesy Tech for Luddites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8HtWHAr9rI

PPS: Here is the screen clip, June 3rd:

Screenshot from Twitter
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FF
I say this because, unless they stop their subversion, it will not end well.
I think we're at a point in history that is similar to what happened in 1930s Germany and the rise of Nazism. Among the youngest generation of conservative Americans (generation-Z, alt-right), I have never seen a group with so much hostility towards Judiasm before, and it is growing rapidly on the internet. The perception is that our society has a great fear of criticizing Jews and it simply overlooks various outcomes from Jewish-dominated power structures, as you mentioned. The subversion is perceived as being real and powerful, and basically unopposed. This creates an underground backlash. Hostility grows in proportion as the anti-Jewish voice is suppressed. So, I would agree that it will not end well if this sort of thing continues. It's all the recipe for an outbreak of hatred and violence. The answer is to talk about such matters - thoughtfully and clearly. Pointing out serious problems without fanning the flames of hatred against a group of people. The same is true of a critique of Islam or other groups.Silver Asiatic
May 28, 2020
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KF, It's your thread of course. But are you familiar with the background of your interlocutor (a notorious internet crank since the usenet days)?daveS
May 28, 2020
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FF, the higher the monkey climbs in the coconut tree the more he exposes himself to the watching hunter, even as he looks to getting coconut for lunch. There is enough on the table to show that there is need on your part to rethink and re-orient. KFkairosfocus
May 28, 2020
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Judaism is a monotheistic religion. It is all about One God. The God of Abraham and Moses, Noah and Adam.
That was true at one time in ages past. Today it is not true.
Based on Jewish law's emphasis on matrilineal descent, even religiously conservative Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish.[1] A 2011 study found that half of all American Jews have doubts about the existence of God, compared to 10–15% of other American religious groups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
Silver Asiatic
May 28, 2020
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EG, I'm not lumping all atheist Jews into a nefarious category. The fact remains that Silicon Valley, anti-free-speech social media corporations, the decadent Hollywood entertainment industry and the fake mainstream news media are all dominated by atheist/globalist/Christophobic/anti-white Jews. If the shoe fits, etc. If you're a Jew (atheist or not) and you disagree with the evil practices of other Jews, do something about it, please. I say this because, unless they stop their subversion, it will not end well. We can all be friends. PS. Don't tell me to seek help. I'm not easily intimidated.FourFaces
May 28, 2020
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ET et al, Judaism is in its historic core one of the three main roots of our civilisation, along with the heritage of Athens and that of Rome. So, it is helpful to better understand that history and in that light modern Jewishness. Judaism was historically a covenantal peoplehood, with a base in a network of tribes but with infusions from those who acceded to the covenant, such as Caleb. King David and so Jesus, had Moabite ancestry on the record, Ruth. Subsequently, in modern times, a significant number of Jews have become secularised, so that Jewish identity includes significant numbers of such secularised Jews. Ethnic identity is broader than specific worldview and religious involvement. Note, with the rise of Messianic Judaism again, the spectrum between Judaism and the Christian faith is once more demonstrated on the ground. Let us recall, too, acceptance of returning exiles from Ethiopia and India, leading to fairly obvious colour and cultural diversity. Israeli nationality is again far broader, there are Druse, Arab, Ciracassian and even Vietnamese Israelis. I would not be surprised to find Jamaican Israelis of quite mixed ancestry. So, Jewish identity is a bit complicated in our day. That only serves to underscore the ill-advised nature of lumping and stereotyping Jews in general or as any one sub group. I hope we can move on. KFkairosfocus
May 28, 2020
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DS, I took the initial decision that on the whole sunlight is the best antidote to regrettably tainted thought; albeit evidently sincerely held. I don't think we are dealing with a willful troll. I believe the expressions are inadvertently exposing a yet lingering problem and it is clear that the balance on merits is decidedly unfavourable to some sentiments expressed. At the same time there has not been an abusive, personally nasty exchange. So, I am thinking a greater good has come about through a relatively liberal exchange. I think those tempted by such views will have some sobering food for thought. Beyond a certain point it may reach the enough correction phase. KFkairosfocus
May 28, 2020
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I only pray that orthodox Jews would make themselves heard and oppose what the others are doing in their name...
I think guys like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager attempt to do that, to some degree. But they can't argue against what atheist-Jews do in the name of Judiasm, since liberal, conservative, reform and orthodox all share the same religion and none of them is any more authentic than the other. So called Orthodox Judiasm is a newer religion than Christianity. It has no divine mandate, no claim to authenticity, no prophet. It's a man-made construct. Waiting for a Messiah (and many have given up on that), trying to preserve themselves as a people, for some reason - without the help of a God-directed plan since there are no prophets as of old. From my perspective, they rejected and killed the Son of God, so what can we really expect?Silver Asiatic
May 28, 2020
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Perhaps we should stop generalizing about "atheist Jews"? I'm surprised this hasn't been shut down yet.daveS
May 28, 2020
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Silver Asiatic:
Judiasm does not require a belief in God.
Judaism is a monotheistic religion. It is all about One God. The God of Abraham and Moses, Noah and Adam.ET
May 28, 2020
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PS. Many conservatives, including Trump, are quickly realizing who are responsible for fake news in the mainstream news media and the censoring of conservative views on social media. You got it: not other Christians, not orthodox Jews but atheist/secular/globalist Jews.
I didn't think Mr Trump was realizing that fact. His policies have been dominated by a Jewish influence, and his son-in-law is a very strong source of that. There are some theistic-Jews who are strong supporters of ID. David Kllinghoffer is a prominent one. There's a rare atheist Jew also - as with Mr. Berlinski. But for the most part, guys like Jerry Coyne dominate the opposition.Silver Asiatic
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“Atheist Jew” doesn’t make any sense. What makes you a Jew is that you practice Judaism.
Judiasm does not require a belief in God. It's a cultural organization and people who identify themselves with the religion may be atheists, but they respect certain rituals and Jewish heritage. There are many famous atheist Jews and they are not kicked out of the Jewish religion.Silver Asiatic
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F/N wile searching, I found this from IHU Med on Doxycycline, in vitro result with suggested dosage for use in cocktails https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Dox_Covid_pre-print.pdf >>An efficient approach to drug discovery is to evaluate whether existing approved drugs can be efficient against SARS-CoV-2. Doxycycline, which is a second - generation tetracycline with broad - spectrum antimicrobial, antimalarial and anti-inflammatory activities, showed in vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2 with median effective concentration (EC50) of 5.6 +/- 0.4 microM. Doxycycline, with its antiviral and anti-inflammatory activities, could be used in prophylaxis of COVID -19 at 100 mg day in combination with chloroquine, or in treatment at 200 mg day during 10 days in combination with hydroxychloroquine.>> KFkairosfocus
May 28, 2020
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RH7, kindly note the U and the difference between an intervention early on the descending arm and one after significant damage. Notice Raoult's scan results on how legions on the lungs are already there even as mild symptoms begin. This killer is a fast, sneaky mover. The Lancet study highlights further down the arm, Raoult and Zelenko etc are speaking to the stitch in time factor. For that matter such comes out in Corsi's reply on public record to Reuters gotcha loaded question journalism questions. More can be said. KFkairosfocus
May 28, 2020
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Jerry, thanks, got it. Raoult's actual papers of course are ever elusive. KFkairosfocus
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"Atheist Jew" doesn't make any sense. What makes you a Jew is that you practice Judaism. There are Hebrews who are atheists. But usually we just call them atheists.ET
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FF, seek help. Please. You lump all non-practicing Jews into a nefarious category, responsible for all of the earth's ills. Why not draw caricatures with large noses, heavy brows and low foreheads? All people are individuals. Once you lump groups together and blame them for things, you are being a racist. Plain and simple.Ed George
May 28, 2020
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RHampton is finally learning about Zelenko after a couple thousand posts here about him and his protocol. A better link is to a Vanity Fair article which is a political hit piece but it describes in more detail what has been going on. My guess is that Vanity Fair hopes to disrupt the Zelenko protocol. If Vanity Fair was honest, they would describe why people are excited about Zelenko's patients. https://bit.ly/2M57eRVjerry
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Dr. Zelenko uploaded a video to YouTube in which he addressed the president directly. Zelenko claimed that he had used hydroxychloroquine early on hundreds of patients, not a single one of whom had been hospitalized. He even advocated treating patients with his regimen of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin before confirming a diagnosis, as he believed clinical intuition was more important than a positive test. In the video, he told Trump, “I am suggesting that you please advise the country that they should be taking this medication in an outpatient setting.” He added, “I personally love you.” Zelenko claims that clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine with poor outcomes are part of a political conspiracy from a “corrupted” medical establishment, and are “clearly designed to fail and to substantiate a false narrative.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/documents-expose-fda-commissioners-interventions-on-behalf-of-trumprhampton7
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President Donald Trump took to the presidential podium to champion hydroxychloroquine despite its unproven effects against Covid-19, FDA commissioner Stephen Hahn apparently did more than issue an emergency use authorization for the drug. He also personally assisted a self-described “simple country doctor” in Monroe, New York in navigating the process of setting up an outpatient clinical trial involving some 950 infected people, Vanity Fair reported. Text messages and email records show that Hahn introduced Vladimir Zelenko to officials at FEMA to obtain pills for the study — a highly unusual act that sharpens fears of politicization of the malaria medicine. https://endpts.com/covid-19-roundup-roche-pairs-actemra-with-remdesivir-in-new-phiii-gsk-makes-its-own-1b-vaccine-manufacturing-plan/rhampton7
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Researchers found that cancer patients with COVID-19 who receive both hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin have a higher risk of death than those who aren't given the two drugs. Of the 928 patients in the study, 13% died within 30 days of being diagnosed with COVID-19. After adjusting for certain factors, the researchers concluded that patients with progressing cancer were 5.2 times more likely to die within 30 days than those in remission or with no evidence of cancer. Patients who received the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat COVID-19 had a nearly threefold higher risk of death within 30 days than those who didn't receive either drug, the investigators found. Patients who received the two drugs and later died were more likely to: have had slightly reduced daily physical function; have received cancer therapy less than 2 weeks before being diagnosed with COVID-19; have Rh-positive blood type; be of non-Hispanic ethnicity; and to be taking cholesterol-lowering statins. https://consumer.healthday.com/infectious-disease-information-21/coronavirus-1008/hydroxychloroquine-may-worsen-odds-for-cancer-patients-with-covid-19-758072.htmlrhampton7
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FF, turnabout projection. KFkairosfocus
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KF, Try this. https://bit.ly/3gqoLBQ. Hope this works. Then click on the PDF for the full article. I tried to point to the full article.
first one is that we can’t read the pre-print
I am glad you identified yourself as a HCQ denier. But I was talking about the study that BA posted about Raoult. I corrected a link to the other study abstract which I posted which allows downloading the manuscript submitted for publishing. Happy bed time reading in Norway.jerry
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Thank you! Maybe we should get some of our HCQ deniers to tell us why the study is no good. I am sure they can find some nitpicks.
he first one is that we can't read the pre-print. It's impossible to judge the work just from the abstract.Bob O'H
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RHampton helps invalidate the Lancet study but not President Trump. Thank you.jerry
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KF, In your case, it's hard to come out of the hole you're in unless you first realize that you're already in it. My prediction about big trouble on the horizon stands. By the way, the most ardent and intransigent opposition to ID and hydroxychloroquine comes from atheist Jews. See you guys around. PS. Many conservatives, including Trump, are quickly realizing who are responsible for fake news in the mainstream news media and the censoring of conservative views on social media. You got it: not other Christians, not orthodox Jews but atheist/secular/globalist Jews.FourFaces
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BA77, thanks, hard to find paper. KFkairosfocus
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Jerry, thanks, the bitly link talks about expired tokens. KFkairosfocus
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FF, first rule of holes, to get out, stop digging in. KFkairosfocus
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Two case series of patients with systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) and SARS-CoV-2 infection explore the association between baseline use of SLE medications and COVID-19 outcomes. In the first report, a case series published in The Lancet Rheumatology, Yevgeniya Gartshteyn and colleagues from Columbia University Irving Medical Center in New York, USA, describe the experience of 18 patients with SLE and confirmed (n=10) or suspected (n=8) SARS-CoV-2 infection. Baseline chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine use was reported in 43% of the seven hospitalized patients, and a further three patients initiated hydroxychloroquine use after hospital admission. The majority (91%) of the 11 patients who were not admitted to hospital were taking chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. Gartshteyn and team conclude that “[p]revious intake of immunosuppressants before admission to hospital did not seem to influence the severity of infection.” In the second study, Carlomaurizio Montecucco and colleagues from Fondazione IRCCS Policlinico San Matteo in Pavia, Italy, evaluated the incidence of COVID-19 in 165 patients with SLE from Northern Italy who took part in a survey. Of these, 12 patients developed COVID-19, including four with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and eight with clinically suspected infection. Noting that “the role of [hydroxychloroquine] on COVID-19 is a matter of debate,” the authors believe their findings “do not suggest that [hydroxychloroquine] may exert a protective action against the infection.” However, they caution that “we cannot draw any conclusion, since the concomitant use of other immunosuppressive therapies could have influenced the incidence and course of COVID-19 in our cohort.” https://rheumatology.medicinematters.com/systemic-lupus-erythematosus-/covid-19/lupus-therapies-may-not-impact-covid-19-outcomes/18019374rhampton7
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