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Dr Zelenko on Israel National News, May 21, 2020 — forthcoming paper ~ two weeks?

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Dr Zelenko expects to be in publication along with some German colleagues, in about two weeks. In the following video (pardon quality issues):

. . . he asks, in effect, isn’t it standard to treat a disease as early as possible, so why the strange difference here? He makes a comparison to how a fire can flash over into a much more dangerous stage and notes how much easier it is to hit it while it is small. He expresses a measure of anger with medical and political establishments, /do allow for that.

He identifies that by the time people are at a Doctor’s office they are likely to be about day 5 in the disease process, on the verge of an explosion in viral load with attendant damage to the body.

He estimates turnaround time at about 3 days on tests, thus if you wait you likely have had serious damage due to explosion in viral load with attendant cell destruction to produce those viruses; linked doubtless, is immune response which can spin out of control in a potentially fatal cytokine storm.

He points to manageable toxicity and safety then suggests, go on the drug cocktail, then pull back if there is no need.

An implication of his discussion is what we may call the U-model of such a disease as this. As came up in a current UD thread:

The idea is that a fast-mover disease like this triggers a U-shaped trend (with a potentially catastrophic descending arm), where the crisis is the bend. Those who fail to make it, unfortunately die . . . a reverse J as the rising arm has been frustrated. Recovery then takes an onward period so recovery statistics lag death statistics, part of the epidemiologist’s headaches. Of course, relapses can move us to a W . . . double U . . . etc. So, we have a simple descriptive model of the trend of such an illness. [This is similar to the plucking model of recession in economics.] The stitch in time factor is, to hit the process early in the descending arm, so the U is shallow; you will probably recall the question of building up one’s “resistance” to colds, Flu and the like. In the context of Ivermectin, its preliminary indication is that it can help to pluck back up from further down the descending arm. And of course hospitalisation is an index of being fairly far down the arm, ICU being a yet worse sign. Intubation and Ventilation are grim signs.

While we wait on his announced publication, we may wish to discuss. END

PS: An interesting second vid comes from India, courtesy Tech for Luddites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8HtWHAr9rI

PPS: Here is the screen clip, June 3rd:

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F/N: Jerome Corsi responds as a PhD political scientist to Reuters' questions. Whatever we may think of the man . . . and I specifically do not endorse him, he raises troubling questions. KFkairosfocus
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Jerry and BA, we shall see. One thing I am sure is that the atmosphere has been well and truly poisoned. Poisoned in the first instance by professionals who should understand the stitch in time principle for medical intervention. KFkairosfocus
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FF, I will leave the above up for the moment, though it is off topic. Of far greater concern is the racially tinged content; projecting racial supremacism to Jews in general and posing them as in conflict with Christians angered by being accused of nazi-like racism is the sort of turnabout accusation that the actual nazis routinely used to create a sense of justification for their crimes. That is a road we do not need to go down. KFkairosfocus
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^^^ :) :)bornagain77
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If justice were served, the main stream media would be culpable in murder
I’m for a permanent lockdown in New York City metropolitan area, Washington DC metropolitan area,, Los Angeles metropolitan area and San Francisco metropolitan area. It contains about 85% of national media.jerry
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As to:
"I bet this study did not get into the Lancet data base." Low Dose of Hydroxychloroquine Reduces Fatality of Critically Ill Patients With COVID-19 - May 15, 2020 Excerpt: In this retrospective study, we included 550 critically ill COVID-19 patients,,, Primary endpoint is fatality of patients, and inflammatory cytokine levels were compared between HCQ and non-hydroxychloroquine (NHCQ) treatments. We found that fatalities are 18.8% (9/48) in HCQ group, which is significantly lower than 47.4% (238/502) in the NHCQ group (P<0.001). The time of hospital stay before patient death is 15 (10-21) days and 8 (4-14) days for the HCQ and NHCQ groups, respectively (P<0.05). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32418114/
If justice were served, the main stream media would be culpable in murder.bornagain77
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I bet this study did not get into the Lancet data base. https://bit.ly/2M15Akh Actually shows HCQ helps severe patients.jerry
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Dr. Zelenko is obviously a Yahweh-believing orthodox Jew and not a secular atheist Jew. Yahweh-believers are taught to value honesty. Orthodox Jews should stand up and oppose what secular Jews are doing in their name. Otherwise they'll pay a price when the pot boils over. Christians are getting fed up with being called Nazi, racist and antisemitic by a bunch of racial supremacists.FourFaces
May 27, 2020
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PPS: We need to hear from those on the ground and familiar with facts who are also trained observers and analysts. Therefore the response to Zelenko et al and others will be telling. One thing I can say is, going forward I am a lot less inclined to take the Medical-Pharmaceutical establishment at face value on any matter of significance. They are failing inductive logic and warrant 101, for starters and the further window on toxic professional, research and administrative politics, corroborating what we can see from the holocaust of living posterity in the womb is popping up big red flags. The good sign is, there are dissidents. The bad one is, they are dissidents . . .kairosfocus
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Jerry, one effect of the French ban would be to force a terminus to Raoult's study. Though the trend lines there were suggesting end of wave. Muy interesante, leaving only Zelenko as the last bastion. So, if he meets a wall of refusals to publish, that will tell us all we need to know. KF PS: Look at the Zelenko vid above from nearly a week ago.kairosfocus
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France bans use of HCQ for COVID-19.
This was on the news yesterday. How stupid of France! There are many who want to do it in US too because Trump pushed it. There cannot be a win for Trump. This attitude is killing tens of thousands of people but few care as long as they or their family are not one of them. They are as Harry Lime said, just dots down below. Kf, Doubt any of the skeptics will watch video or view it favorably. It just reinforces what they been told for weeks. That has not had any effect. Google has taken MedCram videos about zinc and HCQ. Incredible the censorship going on but not a peep from skeptics.jerry
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EG, We shall see. A telling sign of what is really up will be if the Zelenko paper is published or is refused publication. I note, that politico's use of "cure" language is a telling sign against the underlying soundness of the report, as there are no cures being discussed, only treatments. Where, where you are in the U is pivotal. As for vaccines, the track record with corona viruses is not so great. One hopes for a turnaround. Also, get something rated unsafe seems to have implications. Of course, to date you have not responded to my remarks on the Lancet paper https://uncommondescent.com/medicine/doctor-ivette-lozano-from-dallas-texas-on-treating-patients-with-hcq-cocktails/#comment-702509 in response to some fairly derogatory comments on your part, nor have you withdrawn same. KFkairosfocus
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France bans use of HCQ for COVID-19. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/27/france-bans-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-to-cure-coronavirus-283724Ed George
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Dr Zelenko on Israel National News, May 21, 2020 — forthcoming paper ~ two weeks? -- he also speaks to the stitch in time factor, but make allowance for that he is plainly somewhat angry (and is himself fighting life-threatening cancer in the meanwhile)kairosfocus
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