Gotta hand it to Darwinian evolutionary biologist Jerry Coyne, he’s a brave one. He is taking on the Woke claim that sex isn’t really binary in animals:
It is a constant uphill battle for biologists to keep defending the truth that animals have but two sexes, defined by whether they have the reproductive apparatus to produce small, mobile gametes (the males) or large immobile gametes (the females). I’m not going to go into this again as you can read my explanation here. I have a longer and more popular explanation coming out in a big paper in June (stay tuned).
There are just two sexes in animals (and in nearly all vascular plants): male and female. Clownfish are not a third sex (they change from male to female.) Seahorse males are not a third sex (they are males who produce sperm and carry the fertilized eggs of females around in a pouch). Hermaphrodites are not a third sex (they combine aspects of male and female sex), and I’m aware of only one case in which a human hermaphrodite, whose male parts produced sperm, fathered an offspring. Hermaphroditic plants are not a third sex; they are simply hermaphrodites that contain male tissue and female tissue (producing small sperm and big eggs, respectively). There is no individual in animals or vascular plants that produce a third type of gamete. Ergo, sex is binary. – Jerry Coyne (March 8, 2023)
According to Colin Wright at City Journal, the Woke are on the march in science on this topic:
In pursuit of this goal, a “Multimodal Sex literature survey team” composed of researchers from UC–Berkeley and Loyola University Chicago has been assembled to “re-imagine a more inclusive framework for biological sex.” On January 27, 2023, the team produced their first pre-print paper, titled “Multimodal models of animal sex: breaking binaries leads to a better understanding of ecology and evolution.” The paper argues that sex is best viewed as “a constructed category operating at multiple biological levels” rather than bimodal or binary.
In saner times, such a paper would perhaps bring a small chuckle from a journal editor before issuing a swift rejection. But current times are far from sane, and the quick ascendance of fashionable pseudoscience in academia on the biology of sex is ample reason to worry that this paper will not receive the withering review it deserves. (March 2, 2023)
It will probably receive accolades from science bureaucrats. Sanity was cancelled some time ago anyhow.
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My view of transgenderism:
Some people seem to view trans individuals as a major threat to American society and Relatd sees Hippies in much the same way. So, does this mean a trans Hippie would signal the Apocalypse is imminent?
Seversky at 2,
Still in the Useless Comment Zone. The problem is not people suffering from Gender Dysphoria, the problem is the promotion of treatment for a problem that goes away for most kids once they pass puberty. The LEFTISTS love controversy. It appears to be the main reason they get up in the morning. They want to fight something. But, like most “revolutions,” innocent people get caught in the crossfire.
I suggest they drop their OFFICIAL ACCUSER tone and let parents be parents and let kids be kids. Normal kids who are NOT suffering from this condition deserve normal lives. They do not need a guy who thinks he’s a girl in a girls’ locker room. That’s all that’s going on.
And for all those cries of “discrimination,” a reminder. ALL laws discriminate. ALL laws define things that can and cannot be done.
Seversky is projecting an imaginary caricature on people who voluntarily submit themselves to the commandments in Torah as do Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
Those who do not subject themselves to Torah, are completely free to do or be whatever they desire. But should Torah turn out to be the commandments of God, they will be judged by the words in Torah. And, as a Messianic Believer, I trust in the provision for forgiveness offered to everyone through the willing sacrifice of Yeshua (aka Joshua or Jesus), the Messiah.
Beyond this reaction to the intentional provocation by Seversky, I’ll leave for a different forum, as he should as well.
Some of us will be interested to hear what Jerry Coyne has to say on the topic in his big paper in June.
In your world yes, in the majority of everyone else no one cares and are VERY sick of hearing about what sexual orientation you think you are
AaronS1978: and are VERY sick of hearing about what sexual orientation you think you are
You are clearly completely ignorant. Seversky made no comment about his own orientation.
Or maybe you’re just completely phobic. Or both.
Some people do feel that way. Others think that we’d be better off as a society if we were comfortable having open discussions about sexual orientation and gender identity. Enthusiastic consent between mentally competent persons is crucial to healthy, ethical sex, and learning how to talk about sex and sexuality is important for building the skills that help people satisfy that criterion.
PM1 at 8,
First, it was just “consent.”
Today it’s become “enthusiastic consent.”
As if there is a difference.
Normally, sexual matters are private. But in the so-called “modern world” – as opposed to a few months ago – everyone needs to talk about private matters? I don’t think so.
I recall the outcry over “sex education classes” in schools. It was marketed as ‘parents are too embarrassed to talk to their kids about sex.’ Really? So parents should allow total strangers to do the job? Why? Venereal Diseases in the 1950s became Sexually Transmitted Diseases later on. Why?
So considering that sexual education classes already exist, I see no reason to add anything to what’s already there.
Of course there is. Consent can be given reluctantly, and it’s still murky and much debated as how much consent is worth when there are marked differences of power between the people involved.
No one is requiring you to participate. But lots of people have benefited and continue to benefit from talking about sex. There’s a reason why Savage Love is one of the most widely read newspaper columns.
Because educators are actually trained in educating and informing, and also because children are willing to ask a teacher questions that they would be too embarrassed to ask of a parent.
Because some diseases can be transmitted during sex that don’t affect the reproductive organs.
Which is fine for people who don’t need or want to learn anything new about sex once they’ve graduated from high school.
You let it slip out, PM1. Disgusting. You would be ashamed of yourself.
I don’t know why you have a problem with children learning about sex. There is nothing disgusting about it and I have nothing to be ashamed of. If you don’t understand the difference between children learning about sex and children being sexualized, that’s a problem with you.
“I don’t know why you have a problem with children learning about sex.”
We have lots of age of consent laws. Do you know why?
We teach people how to operate an automobile when they are ready to drive.
See my point about enthusiastic consent between mentally competent persons above. But that’s not a reason to not tell children about what sex is, about different kinds of sexual identities, and so on. And I also think that teaching children about healthy, ethical sex will help give them the information they need to be on guard against sexual predators. They need to know that if someone touches them in a way they don’t like and asks them to keep it a secret, they should tell a trusted caregiver as soon as possible.
Then why don’t we withhold knowledge of how democracy works until people are old enough to vote?
“They need to know that if someone touches them in a way they don’t like and asks them to keep it a secret, they should tell a trusted caregiver as soon as possible.”
Of course, but you don’t need an intellectual sexual exploration for that.
“Then why don’t we withhold knowledge of how democracy works until people are old enough to vote?”
Election methods don’t necessarily involve people sexually touching each other, emotional and physiological extremes and reactions, and possibly lingering traumas, etc. Duh.
Now if they taught that sex makes human babies, count me in. They apparently don’t teach that anymore.
Agreed, but that’s not what sex education is.
Are you seriously suggesting that you don’t see a difference between learning about sex and learning how to have sex?
Certainly children should learn that sex can result in babies, and that babies don’t happen in any other way. And they can also learn that people should decide for themselves if they want sex to result in pregnancy, and to take appropriate precautions. There’s some good evidence that the rate of unwanted pregnancies is lower when there’s developmentally appropriate comprehensive sex education in public schools.
“Are you seriously suggesting that you don’t see a difference between learning about sex and learning how to have sex?”
Well, I guess we would have to look at what’s being taught. I’m sure not all sex ed is the same. There’s also the cultural education that doesn’t happen in the classroom. What’s being taught there?
AS, there is also grooming, which frankly is leading to statutory rape and buggery etc. KF
Shut it JVL
Make your claims of ignorance somewhere else there are many things I can say the same for you and obviously you were very ignorant to the fact that so many people are not, or do not care about the entire situation of sexual orientation. I am one of them your sexual orientation or whatever you wanna do means literally zero to me it’s not enough for me to care about at all. You can do whatever you want. it is forced upon me and thrust upon me in such a way that it seems to be that I must celebrate your (check it out I don’t me you jvl specifically and I don’t care to ask) gay or pay. And frankly I’m sick of it. You’re not a different species and you’re not special because of the fact that you want to mate with the same sex or you want to come up with 100 different versions of gender.
If you want to discuss ignorance, we can do so off this forum somewhere else where we can actually talk face-to-face. I’m more than happy to do that but I am truly sick of the liberals screaming that I don’t understand what’s going on when I get ran over by you.
PS I wasn’t really referring to Sev orientation either I’m sorry you read it that way.
Firstly, it’s doubtful if children need to “be educated” about sex. Seriously. Children don’t need to learn how to walk. They don’t need to learn how to talk. And when time comes, they find out about sex. From each other at first.
Secondly what “sex education” are they getting? That all relationships are equally ‘valid’ and ‘normal’, that same sex marriage is exactly the same as traditional marriage, that incest is OK, that prostitution is as good a career as any, and gender is a matter of choice, not biology, so that it’s up to them what sex they are?
It seems that it is only what Jerry Coyne wrote, and what is meant as the topic here, that WILL NOT be part of ‘sex education’.