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L&FP 46: A big questions challenge — confident objective knowledge vs grand delusion in a going-concern world

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In recent weeks, we have seen again and again how the acid of hyperskepticism has reduced our civilisation’s confidence in self-awareness much less understanding of the world and its roots. Even as Evolutionary Materialistic Scientism, Officialdom and their media promoters (and censors) seek to create a dominant narrative. So, how do we attack this issue?

First, let’s reduce it to a graphic:

Once that is on the table, it is clear that our diverse worldviews and the extent to which any such can claim to be well warranted knowledge are at the crux of the matter. As a key aspect, as we are ourselves embedded (“apparently,” embodied with brains, senses tied to brains and self-awareness) in the going concern world, self-referentiality is inescapably entangled in the matter. So are questions of origins and the root of reality. The hyperskepticism-induced loss of confidence is manifest in our tendency to radical relativism, subjectivism and emotivism, all of which suffer serious self-referentiality challenges and undermine claimed knowledge.

Such surfaces the grand delusion challenge long ago exemplified by Plato in his parable of the cave:

Plato’s Cave of shadow shows projected before life-long prisoners and confused for reality. Once the concept of general delusion is introduced, it raises the question of an infinite regress of delusions. The sensible response is to see that this should lead us to doubt the doubter and insist that our senses be viewed as generally reliable unless they are specifically shown defective. (Source: University of Fort Hare, SA, Phil. Dept.)

Of course, we should not neglect the cynical, power-manipulation Overton Window dimension of this parable:

Yes, in a hyperskeptical-cynical world, somebody is looking to gain power and likely wealth from our loss of confidence. We must bear that in mind. Similarly, the now commonly used parable of blind men and an elephant is instructive:

Here, we can focus Jesus of Nazareth’s remark on good/bad eyes, from his Sermon on the Mount, using words that tellingly echo Plato’s parable:

Matt 6:22 “The eye is the lamp of the body; so if your eye is clear [spiritually perceptive], your whole body will be full of light [benefiting from God’s precepts]. 23 But if your eye is bad [spiritually blind], your whole body will be full of darkness [devoid of God’s precepts]. So if the [very] light inside you [your inner self, your heart, your conscience] is darkness, how great and terrible is that darkness! [AMP]

That’s the elephant we face!

The question is, are we willing to acknowledge that someone has a better, more valid overall picture than we do? (Our tendency to cynical hyperskepticism tends to lock us into, “no.” It also tends to make us miss that relativism or the like equally claims to be the better big-picture. Incoherent self-referentiality, again.)

So, we come to a Reidian, common sense driven conclusion in two principles:

Sawing off the branch on which we sit is absurd and ruinous

REID+, 1 — Rejection of Grand Delusion: Any world-scheme or alleged first principle of thought that leads to or invites a grand delusion inference is self-referentially absurd, and

REID+, 2 — Principle of Common Sense Credulity: While our common sense reliance on our senses and perceptions may be mistaken in detail, the inference that our common sense view of the going-concern world we share is delusional on the whole is thus . . . saw- off– the- branch- on- which- we- all- sit . . . absurd.

In that light, we can address the chain of concerns in the first graphic above:

  1. We have reason to believe our common sense experience of the going-concern, everyday world, though limited and subject to correction in detail (and obviously a macroscopic, slow-speed, localised view), is on the whole reliable and reasonably accurate; thus, Plantinga-sense fit for purpose relative to knowledge acquisition.
  2. Knowledge in the going-concern world thus becomes possible on three levels: first, our personal world experience as self-aware creatures is just that, undeniably our experience. If one is appeared to redly and roundly, that is a datum of experience.
  3. Secondly, as we can see from 2 + 3 = 5 — i.e. || + ||| –> ||||| — or error exists or inescapable first principles [including first principles . . . and, yes, associated Ciceronian first duties . . . of right reason], there are certain truths that are self-evident, certain, plumb line that — while never nearly enough to frame and furnish a worldview — serve as key tests for soundness.
  4. Third, for practical thought, work, education, media, science, governance, community and life, a weaker, corrigible sense of knowledge is also reasonable: warranted, credibly true (so, tested and reliable) belief.
  5. This weak sense may indeed have in it various errors, but is corrigible in light of first self evident principles informed by our experiences. However, such cannot amount to a Plato’s cave grand delusion, on pain of collapsing credibility of rationality thus our own selves as rational creatures.
  6. In this light, we can dismiss general hyperskepticism as a grand delusion fallacy; and if it is selectively applied to what one is inclined to dismiss (oh, YOU have to prove beyond all arbitrary doubt that . . .) , it is little more than an excuse for question-begging hostile closed mindedness.
  7. Further to these, disciplines of thought are feasible and can build up valid bodies of credible but corrigible knowledge claims: philosophy, ethics, physics, mathematics, sciences and arts generally, including history, theology etc.

We can directly apply the above to an analysis of ourselves, i.e. we can partially and yet credibly form a self-understanding. A useful framework for this is the Smith model:

Simplifying for our purposes:

The Eng Derek Smith Cybernetic Model

Here, we see that a two-tier cybernetic loop controller view allows us to raise the issue that the supervisory controller may embed an oracle expressing volition and intuition (including moral intuition) etc, allowing transcending of undecidability and halting problems etc that plague Turing-based computational substrates.

Where, obviously, such an oracle is not simplified to being a higher level Turing machine; that would only export the Turing problem up one level.

When queried or informed implying a query, the oracle issues a single stage answer and is a black box relative to the Turing paradigm. Thus to some degree it embeds a knowledge and intuitions base. In addition, in supervisory state, it frames the context in which action is taken, being further informed by rational, responsible (so, moral sense, conscience-guided) freedom.

From that going concern self-model, we may proceed to address the basis for, dynamics of and origins of a world that includes such creatures. Notice, this is an onward question, for without a frame for rational, responsible, knowing, free but guided thought, decision and action, there is no basis for addressing how can we know a now passed past of origins and linked substructure on roots of reality. (The attempt to hopelessly entangle ontology with epistemology, fails.)

In that context, we can immediately see that causes create effects, which may come in degrees. How much sugar is in a glass of water affects how sweet it will taste. This has immediate applications, e.g. here is a video screenshot I recently shared with policy influencers, i/l/o issues on Ivermectin — and note, this is not to excite a side-debate. (Yes, I am aware of the report of a study on Ivermectin, but frankly fear it can be twisted into a kill-shot attempt given the toxic, ideological and interests distorted state of such research.) Note, Peru is a state with about 33 million people in 25 states, comparable to Canada at 36 millions:

It is in that context (with other similar real-world, observational study/experience driven results/evidence) that the Frontline Doctors have just challenged Officialdom on Ivermectin:

Underlying, given intent to address roots of reality, is the logic of being . . . which we can know based on analysis:

Compare, a flame:

An igniting match (a contingent being)

. . . with the fire tetrahedron, which gives causal conditionality:

Fires are contingent, possible beings, even as square circles are impossible of being:

One and the same object cannot be circular and square in the same sense and place at the same time

So, now, we can contemplate another order of possible being. To see it, try to imagine a distinct world in which two-ness, distinct identity etc do not exist. Or where it begins or may cease. Immediately, such fails as a distinct world W must differ from its neighbour W’ by having some A not in W’, in effect W = {A|~A} where ~A = W’. We see that two-ness is part of the framework for any world, so once there undeniably is a world [ours] it is a necessary being, part of the fabric of any world. That applies to mathematics and its universal power, but it shows that necessary, world framework entities are real.

The root of reality, world zero, W0, in effect, embeds such beings with the additional point that through origins processes such must account causally for this world, We.

This brings to bear issues on fine tuning evidence, the complex, functionally specific, algorithm, code and language using framework of cell based life, body plan biodiversity requiring 10 – 100+ million bits of incremental information per plan, and our own morally governed, minded life.

Those questions and many more are not going to go away quietly simply because they are inconvenient to today’s establishment. END

Comments
All these words from WJM, after he admitted that the only reason he or any of us does/says anything is because it provide experiential enjoyment--thereby undercutting everything he has said since that time. KF, I'd say you can ignore his words.EDTA
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ID offers the only scientific explanation for our existence. Without ID all there we have is sheer dumb luck to explain it. That is untestable and as such not science.ET
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Jerry, it is self-evident that you are able to supervise your body, operate vehicles etc and engage an evident external world, up to when you are appeared to Walmart-ly. Those who wish to propose schemes where the apparent macro world is at best dubious at worst an outright delusion self-referentially defeat themselves even as Plato's Cave does. If level one shadow shows are a delusion, so too one can suggest is the story of being loosed, made to look at the parapet, flames, driven to the outside world etc. And so would the level three and an infinite regress of suggested delusions looms. Grand delusion schemes are absurd, self defeating. KFkairosfocus
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Sev, no one asserts that we are not subject to error, the myth of tyrannical, unwarranted certainty is a strawman caricature used to open the door for privileging selective hyperskepticism. However, start with E, error exists. Set the denial, ~E, this means it is error to claim error exists. E is undeniable and self-evident, overturning any scheme that would undermine accesibility of truth and knowledge. However, the very truth is a warning so we need to work out principles of warrant. If you set aside strawman caricature stereotypes and the atheistical baggage for a moment, you would see that the OP speaks to degrees of knowledge, self-evident truths being a rather small minority of truths. The weaker, day to day sense of knowledge addressed is defeat-able and so issues of accuracy, reason and warrant are primary. KFkairosfocus
June 26, 2021
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WJM, absent ability to reason, warrant and know in a going concern world, there is no further basis to credibly explore roots of reality or origins or the resulting details of a metaphysics . . . what entities are actual, in what ordered system comprising the world we inhabit, etc. Where the explicit hyperskeptical dismissal or invitation to same is inevitably self-referential. Thus, hyperskepticism such as this is self referentially absurd and invites grand delusion. We can safely set it aside, whether or not you wish to cling to the self-referential discredit of your claims. KFkairosfocus
June 26, 2021
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KF said:
WJM, the key concepts are by no means so vague as you suggest,
They are entirely without significant meaning absent an a priori ontology and epistemology.William J Murray
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One of the points (from the allegory of the Cave and prior arguments) KF attempts to make is that "hyperskeptical" doubt about what our senses "tell" us necessarily leads to the potential for "grand delusion," self-referential absurdity. KF is making a categorical error here. It's not what our sensory experience is telling us that is being doubted, it is the model that describes what sensory experience represents or means that is being critically examined. Until one has a worldview, the terms "hyperskeptical" and "delusion" have no value. To be hyperskeptical of a worldview claim, one must first have a worldview claim to be skeptical of; to think a person is being hyperskeptical of your worldview claim, you must first be making one. You can't do that without a worldview to make claims about. So, KF smuggles both concepts into his "assessment of comparative worldviews" argument where they do not belong. You cannot "compare worldviews" using delusion and hyperskepticism when both of those concepts require a pre-existing worldview, or else they don't even make sense. They would have no context by which to call anything "delusional" or "hyperskepticism."William J Murray
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Is this a self evident truth?
I go out of my driveway and turn right. At the first intersection turn left. Go 3 miles. Make a right and go 1 mile. And there is Walmart
Happened every time I, my wife, my neighbors and kids have done it.jerry
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Once that is on the table, it is clear that our diverse worldviews and the extent to which any such can claim to be well warranted knowledge are at the crux of the matter. As a key aspect, as we are ourselves embedded (“apparently,” embodied with brains, senses tied to brains and self-awareness) in the going concern world, self-referentiality is inescapably entangled in the matter. So are questions of origins and the root of reality. The hyperskepticism-induced loss of confidence is manifest in our tendency to radical relativism, subjectivism and emotivism, all of which suffer serious self-referentiality challenges and undermine claimed knowledge.
One problem is the unwarranted assumption of certainty in the truth of claimed knowledge in light of the fallible nature of our physical and mental being and the limitations of what we have learned so far about the Universe in which we find ourselves. We all want to know what is true and we all hope for personal survival and that we are part of some greater scheme of things that is created for our personal benefit. The danger of that is that we can be lured into believing a particular narrative is true because it tells us what we want to hear, not what is more likely to be true. The limitations of our knowledge mean that there will inevitably be any number of competing narratives which offer encompassing explanations of what little we know, some with arguably greater warrant than others, depending on one's perspective of course. The problem, as always, is finding a way to decide between them on some other grounds than the feelgood factor. Asserting self-evident truths as anchor-points for some proposed explanatory construct might help if we can agree on what is meant by an SET and that it is more than just a rhetorical shield to protect certain arbitrary claims from challenge or criticism.Seversky
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WJM, the key concepts are by no means so vague as you suggest, nor does hyperskepticism get the default. KFkairosfocus
June 26, 2021
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Before we get to "delusion," there are for more fundamental things to consider. What is meant by "real?" What is meant by "self?" What is meant by "world?" "Accurate" in relationship to ... what? "Credible" according to what? "Warranted" according to what? Are there worldview assumptions smuggled in by the meaning of those concepts and what they relate to, when they are used to "assess" worldview candidates? To properly assess worldview candidates, they cannot be judged from the perspective of an a priori worldview, nor considered properly in the terms, expectations, or sometimes even the language rooted in an a priori worldview perspective. There are some concepts that, regardless of worldviews, are necessarily true. The first order of business in any attempt to "compare worldviews" (or perhaps more accurately, compare ideas about the nature of reality/experience,) is to establish all self-evident and necessarily true statements one can that would hold in any possible situation (we haven't defined "world" yet) experienced by any possible sentient being. Perhaps one should start with: what are we talking about, in terms that are either self-evidently or necessarily true, when we speak about "reality?" Is it necessarily true in every possible reality that we exist in an external-of-mind, material/physical world? No. At this point KF usually objects about the "self-referential absurdity" or "solipsism," etc., leading to "grand delusion, but those objections are, again, from a priori worldview assumptions about how such a situation "would be" from that perspective. So, what does "reality" mean, if anything, in necessary terms, or in inescapable terms, before we can even say "delusions" exist as something, in what way, or that it is advisable to avoid them? The only thing, at it's root, that reality can be referring to, is the experience of an individual sentient being. Every concept of reality begins (and actually ends) there. Someone with a pre-existing ontological perspective might assume that some things we experience are real, and some things we experience are not, but at this point that has not been established. I'm not sure it even makes sense to say that we can experience something that is "not real." In fact, I can say it doesn't make sense absent an a priori ontology.William J Murray
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KF said:
Such surfaces the grand delusion challenge long ago exemplified ...
This is where the entire argument becomes circular. What is a "delusion," much less a "grand delusion," absent an a priori worldview that defines it in terms of that worldview? KF's worldview arguments are made entirely from the perspective of an a priori worldview, the concepts, words, terminology, evidence, etc. entirely rooted in and supporting the very worldview he uses them to argue for. It's all one big, invalid circular argument.William J Murray
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Latest Campbell analysis of Ivermectin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7am9kjMrk Kf vocabulary glossary - just some W0 - World Zero BATNA - Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement NB - Necessary Being. i/l/o - in light ofjerry
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L&FP 46: A big questions challenge — confident objective knowledge vs grand delusion in a going-concern worldkairosfocus
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