Karl Giberson – Uncommon Descent

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Fake news on the ID controversy still includes babies with tails

Last year, David Klinghoffer offered some thoughts on fake news about controversies in evolution in popular media that bear repeating: The supposedly objective investigative news site ProPublica hit all of them — codes, creationism, Kitzmiller v. Dover — in a recent article, going after then-Education Secretary nominee Betsy DeVos, who had mentioned “critical thinking” in Read More…

kairosfocus JVL [attn VL & PM1], emergence is a systems term, by implication. Where, the more apt, more objective term is... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
Origenes StephenB @191, 192 God is the sufficient cause of Ted’s existence, and Ted’s free will; God is not the sufficient... – Aquinas, Ockham, and Descartes about God....
JVL Belfast: ‘Emerging’ is not really a word to be used in science. Despite all the non-biological examples on the Wikipedia... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
Belfast Thanks, Querius, cynical but neat. There’s no real connection to merit a distinction, it’s like asking the distinction between a... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
JVL Querius: Emerge is the obfuscating term used to magically evade causality when the origin of a result is still a... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
JVL Asauber: I’m not denying that stuff happens. Let’s call it Stuff Happens instead of Emergence with the pretense that it... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
tjguy Our universe might not be special, merely “probable”? Whatever! People are going to believe what they want to believe. Even... – Physicists: Our universe might not be...
JVL Belfast: JVL, anyone. Distinction between “result” and “emerge”? You always get a result, some of those results display emergent characteristics.... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
Querius . . . or better yet, "make your own dirt." -Q – Physicists: Our universe might not be...
Querius Belfast, How about this . . . Emerge is the obfuscating term used to magically evade causality when the origin... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
StephenB Relatd StephenB at 188, Does God manipulate us? No, we have free will. We act freely and choose to do... – Aquinas, Ockham, and Descartes about God....
StephenB Origenes: Show me a causal chain that starts from Ted and does not trace back to God as a sufficient... – Aquinas, Ockham, and Descartes about God....
Belfast Late to the party, much to comment on, but leave it at this; JVL, anyone. Distinction between “result” and “emerge”? – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
whistler Viola Lee That is, we are causal agents in a way that doesn’t require metaphysical concepts such as libertarian free... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
StephenB OrigenesL Suppose you are right. Suppose Ted is not to blame but his ‘human capacity’ is. I didn’t say that... – Aquinas, Ockham, and Descartes about God....
Origenes StephenB Ori: 1. Ted is something made by God. 2. Ted’s immoral actions are a direct result of Ted. Therefore,... – Aquinas, Ockham, and Descartes about God....
Viola Lee At 53 above PM linked to a very interesting paper on “Naturalising Agent Causation”, by Henry D. Potter and Kevin... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
relatd StephenB at 188, Does God manipulate us? No, we have free will. We act freely and choose to do right... – Aquinas, Ockham, and Descartes about God....
StephenB Origenes:And God is the sufficient cause for both Ted and his capacities. Of course. The point is that God is... – Aquinas, Ockham, and Descartes about God....
StephenB Origenes: 1. Ted is something made by God. 2. Ted’s immoral actions are a direct result of Ted. Therefore, 3.... – Aquinas, Ockham, and Descartes about God....
Querius Reminds me of a hypothetical discussion: Hashem: Look I made a man from the dirt. Chemist: Pshat, anyone can do... – Physicists: Our universe might not be...