UD Live event part 3, US Election moves to resolution . . . [?]

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January 4, 2021

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As the Election progresses into its third month, this week we expect a runoff election in Georgia State and the Congress is to sit to resolve the Electoral College result on the 6th.

We continue to track from here and here.

As developments unfold we will add further updates. END

U/D1, Jan 6: Photograph demonstrating even more brazen scrutineer frustration in GA than at Nov 3+, 2020:

I note, extra, by way of the earlier capture from the surveillance video on the night of 3/4 November:

U/D2, Jan 7: Tucker Carlson’s warning on where undermining election integrity leads:

U/D4, a reminder on McFaul Colour-Culture revolution and the SOCOM insurgency escalator:

. . . also, on 4th gen war:

I add, Jan 8th,as a reminder on the Geostrategic picture . . . note, Iran has started 20% U-enrichment.

U/D5, Jan 7: Mr Gaetz gives the epitaph on the 2020 election:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60TLCfN1mWM

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Okay, it seems there is enough resolution of the situation to stop a live event tracking process; now, archival. The outcome is deeply sad and sobering for our civilisation regardless of one's inclinations and for how we need to go forward from here; many things are deeply wrong and the degree of polarisation and deadlock makes solutions short of deep pain unlikely to be effective. We are going to have to learn the hard way yet again. It is obvious that there will be need to go back to the roots of reason and worldviews, to soundness in argument and prudence. For example, if we have unresponsiveness to evidence and logic, one can only document for record on say the design issue. But, that is going forward, for now, the ghosts of Plato, Alcibiades and Socrates are doubtless shaking their heads sadly. May God have mercy on us all in our folly. TERMINUSkairosfocus_{January 9, 2021
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1347698165030346752 So the ayatollah, and numerous other dictatorial regimes can have Twitter accounts with no issue despite threatening genocide to entire countries and killing homosexuals etc... but The President of the United States should be permanently suspended. Mao would be proud.
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KF re 316 And so it begins. Vividvividbleau_{January 8, 2021
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Steve “But on a more serious issue, I am interested to hear people’s opinion on whether his Twitter ban is a violation of free speech.” Censorship yes but a legal violation of free speech, no. Vividvividbleau_{January 8, 2021
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F/N: Here is Enc Brit on the Red Guard reign of terror during the Culture revolution, highly material history: >>Red Guards, Chinese (Pinyin) Hongweibing or (Wade-Giles romanization) Hung-wei-ping, in Chinese history, groups of militant university and high school students formed into paramilitary units as part of the Cultural Revolution (1966–76). These young people often wore green jackets similar to the uniforms of the Chinese army at the time, with red armbands attached to one of the sleeves. They were formed under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in 1966 in order to help party chairman Mao Zedong combat “revisionist” authorities [--> in short, shock troops for a coup, he had been stripped of powers earlier due to his catastrophic great leap forward]—i.e., those party leaders Mao considered as being insufficiently revolutionary. Mao was thus making a bid to regain control of the CCP from his colleagues, but the Red Guards who responded in August 1966 to his summons fancied themselves as new revolutionary rebels pledged to eliminating all remnants of the old culture in China [--> year zero reset radicalism, imagining themselves the vanguard of the future], as well as purging all supposedly bourgeois elements within the government. Several million Red Guards journeyed to Beijing to meet with Mao in eight massive demonstrations late in 1966, and the total number of Red Guards throughout the country may have reached 11 million at some point. While engaging in marches, meetings, and frenzied propagandizing [--> agit prop, indoctrination, persecution of the despised other, mob rule tactics, public humiliation and torture, sometimes lynchings and induced suicides], Red Guard units attacked and persecuted local party leaders as well as schoolteachers and school officials, other intellectuals, and persons of traditional views [--> despised others]. Several hundred thousand people died in the course of these persecutions. By early 1967 Red Guard units were overthrowing existing party authorities in towns, cities, and entire provinces . . . >> Chaos continued for a decade, even after the suppression of the initial wave by 1968 or so. We are already seeing the scapegoating, stereotyping, belittling, demonisation and censorship of the despised other, with big tech corporations acting as censors of the deep state. The 4th gen civil war is ramping up. It will not end as those who carried out an electoral Pearl Harbor imagine. KF PS, as a measure of conscience-benumbed ruthlessness and corrupting influence, we must never lose sight of the fact that we are dealing with the small-p party of holocaust, mass slaughter of living posterity in the womb. A small-P as this cuts across nominal party-lines. The US toll of abortions per slightly adjusted Guttmacher figures . . . likely under rather than over . . . being 61.6 millions and growing at 400 - 700 k/y depending. Global toll over this span is north of 800 millions, with last year 42 - 73 millions. We must calibrate understanding in light of that burden of guilt -- including guilt of suppression of horrific truth -- which has to be projected elsewhere per cognitive dissonance and the mirror principle.kairosfocus_{January 8, 2021
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Mike1962 “ Well, you have to agree that the trolls are entertaining. Hehe. A little bit. Hehe. (We laff.)” Obviously another person who believes that Trump will try to use an executive order to retaliate. But on a more serious issue, I am interested to hear people’s opinion on whether his Twitter ban is a violation of free speech.Steve Alten2_{January 8, 2021
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SA2, you don't seem to understand that a widespread censorship has been imposed on a flimsy excuse that does not stand simple comparison with how much more extensive and serious riots clearly connected to red guard, colour-culture revolution tactics and linked mobilisation backed by an identifiable ecosystem of organisations and backers were handled across the past seven or so months. Further to this, the public facts regarding McFaul colour revolution recipes and the SOCOM insurgency escalator as are summarised in the OP above are sidelined. The obvious photographic evidence showing scrutineer frustration (so, breach of sound chain of custody on ballots) twice over, also in OP is ignored. The glaring selectiveness shows that this too is a case of a 4g war, agitprop operation, marginalising and silencing the designated scapegoat and despised other. The result will not be as expected, as they are simply underscoring the reality of existential threat. Meanwhile, the substantial evidence and argument on public fact and failed moral duty remain evaded or dismissed on bare appeal to enforced pseudo-consensus. All of this is a sowing of the wind. KFkairosfocus_{January 8, 2021
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Well, the trolls are a little entertaining. Hehe. A little bit. Hehe. (We laff.)mike1962_{January 8, 2021
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“ Donald Trump’s summertime push for “law and order” could come back to haunt him this winter after the storming of the U.S. Capitol. In his authoritarian response to protests against white supremacy that swept the nation after the homicide of George Floyd by Minneapolis police, Trump signed an executive order demanding federal prosecutors throw the book at those who damage federal property, including by charging vandals under a provision of the federal code that provides for sentences of up to 10 years in prison. The executive order also sought harsh punishment for those that incite such damage. Under the plain language of this executive order, the militants who stormed the Capitol — as well as President Trump himself — should now be in jeopardy of federal prosecution.”Steve Alten2_{January 8, 2021
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Jerry “ Why don’t you bet yourself. Sounds like a win for everyone.” By your unwillingness to bet, I take it that you also think that he will attempt a childish retaliation against Twitter through an executive order.Steve Alten2_{January 8, 2021
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The loser voluntarily leaves this site for good?
Why don’t you bet yourself. Sounds like a win for everyone.jerry_{January 8, 2021
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Twitter publishes their moderation policies. Trump has repeatedly violated these policies but has been given leeway because of his position. And he has been warned multiple times about his violations. And ignored them. I am not aware of any site that does not have moderation rules and that does not, on occasion, ban a commenter. According to a commenter above, even this site bans people. I have a prediction. Before January 20th Trump will attempt some form of executive order to retaliate against his Twitter ban. Is there anyone here willing to place a friendly wager on this? The loser voluntarily leaves this site for good?Steve Alten2_{January 8, 2021
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They love Trump in Tokyo. https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/1347269272477659136 On their way to storm the palace. A strong minded reaction to Trump’s ban from Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1347700969048600576 Trump is everywhere https://mobile.twitter.com/yashar/status/1347718683351601152 Obi Wan
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine

The centralized power over US democracy (and other democracies) concentrated in the hands of a tiny number of unaccountable Silicon Valley oligarchs is stunning, unprecedented and unsustainable. Glen Greenwald
https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1347690238806790149jerry_{January 8, 2021
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https://twitter.com/urvilshah17/status/1347735529178034176?s=21Steve Alten2_{January 8, 2021
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Trump has been permanently banned from Twitter. Given the influence this guy has over the weak minded, and his habit of preaching divisiveness and hatred, I would say that it is a good decision.Steve Alten2_{January 8, 2021
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F/N: It seems there is an emerging wave of censorship by major tech platforms. That is a red flag. KFkairosfocus_{January 8, 2021
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F/N, from 693, first previous, clipping a Harvard study on the Egypt case: >> In Egypt, protests and strikes began on January 25, 2011 (National Police Day) and lasted for 18 days, bringing together various opposition groups representing a wide cross section of Egyptian society including secularists, feminists, Islamists, anti-capitalists, and many others. Notably, while the January 25 protests were initiated by a group of opposition activists, the Egyptian Arab Spring did not have a centralized leadership and no single element of the opposition was in control. [–> a more balanced view but do not take as gospel; note that describing the Muslim Brotherhood as "moderate" is a sign of bias] . . . . In 2010, a young man named Khaled Said was beaten to death by two police officers after being dragged out of a cybercafé in in Alexandria. [–> notice, police in a state that was oligarchic, not democratic] Photographs of his disfigured body were shared online. Wael Ghoneim, an Egyptian Google Executive living in Dubai—who would go on to become a prominent Arab Spring youth activist—created a Facebook group called “We Are All Khaled Said,” [–> powerful, connected person] which quickly drew membership in the hundreds of thousands. [–> web amplification, note, plausibility of key narrative does not pivot on substantial truth or fairness, just it appeals to popular feeling and tendencies] . . . . The Facebook page and other social media sites became public forums for the remembrance of Said and for discourse around what he died for. These issues became fundamental to the outbreak of protests in the coming year . . . Small-scale, local demonstrations took place protesting Said’s death, but it was on Ghoneim’s Facebook page that the announcement for the January 25 protests—held on January 25, National Police Day—was first publicized . . . . Chanting “The People Want to Bring Down Regime” (al-shaab yurid isqat al-nizam), a broad spectrum of protestors, from labor and youth activists to feminists and individual members of the Muslim Brotherhood (there without sanction from the organization), sought political change in the wake of decades of corruption, police brutality, media censorship, unemployment, inflation, and other problems. [–> notice the coalition taking to the streets] The protest took various forms, from the occupation of downtown Cairo’s Tahrir Square [–> notice, the mass rape of an American journalist here] , to labor strikes, acts of civil disobedience, clashes with armed forces, and others. Violence between protestors and the police resulted in 846 deaths and several thousand injuries. President Hosni Mubarak—in office since 1981—was deposed on February 11, 2011, [–> 4GW overthrow] after which the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) dissolved the Egyptian Parliament, suspended the constitution, and dissolved the nation’s “emergency laws.” Protestor deaths formed the basis of allegations against Mubarak, for which he was sentenced to life in prison in June, 2012, but was released in August 2013 under the post-coup military government. >> This is how a colour revolution went down, and where it ended. KFkairosfocus_{January 8, 2021
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F/N: From U/D17 to first previous, on the Ukraine case, noting the McFaul colour revolution process and SOCOM insurgency escalator -- both in the OP, both dismissed above without serious consideration. Onward, the parallels in the Egypt, Arab Spring case will also bear sober consideration: >>To focus attention, let us clip the list of election fraud techniques, c. 2004: Illegal Use of Absentee Ballots: According to the respected NGO “Committee of Voters of Ukraine” (CVU), massive electoral fraud was committed through the illegal use of absentee voter certificates. For example, people were caught in Dnipropetrovsk and Sumy oblasts with their pockets stuffed with blank absentee ballots that they were using to vote at multiple polling stations. Opposition Observers Ejected: Observers from Our Ukraine and other opposition groups were expelled from most polling stations in eastern Ukraine on Election Day. For example, in Territorial Election Commission (TEC) district number 42 in Donetsk oblast, Our Ukraine observers were kicked out of all but a few polling stations. North Korean-Style Turnout in the East: Turnout in the pro-Yanukovych eastern oblasts was unnaturally high. In several electoral districts, turnout for the run-off round increased by 30 to 40 percent over the first round. In Luhansk oblast, the reported turnout rate hit nearly 96 percent — a number that, to quote the OSCE, even Stalinist North Korea would envy. A similar turnout rate was reported in Donetsk oblast, where 98 percent of the votes went to hometown candidate Prime Minister Yanukovych. Mobile Ballot Box Fraud: In the second round of the election, the number of voters who supposedly cast ballots at home using mobile ballot boxes was double that of the first round. Much of this voting occurred without observers being present and was massively fraudulent. In Mykolayiv oblast, for example, nearly 35 percent of the oblast’s voters purportedly cast their ballots “at home.” Computer Data Allegedly Altered To Favor Yanukovych: There were credible reports showing that that Yanukovych supporters gained illegal access to the Central Election Commission’s computer system and illegally altered vote tabulation data being transmitted by TECs to the CEC. Reports of Opposition Fraud: Yanykovych’s supporters allege that Yushchenko’s supporters stuffed ballot boxes in western Ukraine. But the reports and evidence of pro-Yanukovych fraud greatly outweighed those indicated for Yushchenko. Of course, exit polling etc were used as a reference: This massive ballot-box stuffing, fake turnout figures, and other forms of fraud and abuse allowed the authorities to create a victory for their candidate that almost certainly would not have been possible in a free and fair election. The final figures announced by the Central Election Commission (CEC) gave Prime Minister Yanukovych with 49.46 percent of the vote over opposition candidate Yushchenko with 46.61 percent. It is impossible to know what the real numbers were, but a large-scale (20,000 respondents), nation-wide anonymous exit poll conducted by a consortium of three highly respected research organizations (partially funded by the United States Government) projected Yushchenko the winner with 53 percent versus 44 percent for Yanukovych. Other exit polls and parallel vote counts indicated a Yushchenko victory, although by lesser amounts. Such polling now stands discredited through repeated inaccuracies, sometimes gross. >> KFkairosfocus_{January 8, 2021
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F/N: Excerpting, 1273 first previous thread (and yes, this is one of the 1600 points in the evidence compilation, a matter of undeniable public fact): https://uncommondescent.com/ud-newswatch-highlights/ud-live-event-us-election-nov-3-2020-predictions-tracking-live-projections-reflections-thoughts/#comment-717637 >>1273 kairosfocus November 20, 2020 at 2:57 am (Edit) F/N: Blast from the past, NYT Feb 19, 1994: https://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us/vote-fraud-ruling-shifts-pennsylvania-senate.html?smid=tw-share Saying Philadelphia’s election system had collapsed under “a massive scheme” by Democrats to steal a State Senate election in November, a Federal judge today took the rare step of invalidating the vote and ordered the seat filled by the Republican candidate. In making such a sweeping move, the judge, Clarence C. Newcomer of Federal District Court here, did for the Republicans what the election had not: enable them to regain control of the State Senate, which they lost two years ago. Judge Newcomer ruled that the Democratic campaign of William G. Stinson had stolen the election from Bruce S. Marks in North Philadelphia’s Second Senatorial District through an elaborate fraud in which hundreds of residents were encouraged to vote by absentee ballot even though they had no legal reason — like a physical disability or a scheduled trip outside the city — to do so. In many instances, according to Republicans who testified during a four-day civil trial last week, Democratic campaign workers forged absentee ballots. On many of the ballots, they used the names of people who were living in Puerto Rico or serving time in prison, and in one case, the voter had been dead for some time. “Substantial evidence was presented establishing massive absentee ballot fraud, deception, intimidation, harassment and forgery,” Judge Newcomer wrote in a decision made public today. The district, which includes white, black and Hispanic neighborhoods, is overwhelmingly Democratic by registration. Nonetheless, campaign workers testified that widespread voter apathy had prompted them to promote a “new way to vote” to insure a victory. Door to Door for Votes . . . . “This is extraordinary relief,” Judge Newcomer wrote. “However, it is appropriate because extraordinary conduct by the Stinson campaign and the board tainted the entirety of the absentee ballots.” . . . . The judge decided to hear the case after state election officials and state courts rejected the Republicans’ claims. The Republicans have an appeal pending before the state’s highest court. They went to Federal court on the ground that there were violations of the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act . . . An all too familiar pattern.>> KFkairosfocus_{January 8, 2021
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LT, your projection of bias against a serious compilation of evidence is duly noted. For record, the compilation (with its links to specifics) stands: https://hereistheevidence.com/ Further to this, I note yet again the baseline regarding public facts:
The Failed Moral Duty Challenge: First, all relevant officials and connected persons have a main duty to ensure integrity of elections, and know or should acknowledge the potential for fraud and what it can mean. [–> almost self-evident] Therefore, neglect on a systemic basis is only partly negligence, it becomes in material part a strong sign of wrongful intent. [–> refusal to do due diligence and known duty are signs of tort] In the case of the US and a relevant party, in Feb 1994, the NYT published a front page, just below fold article [see, 1273 first previous thread] on a judge’s reversal of an election outcome and of majority in a legislature in PA, due to fraud connected to a known vulnerable type of ballot and to harvesting, intimidation etc. [–> public fact 1] Ten years later in 2004, The US congress received testimony on fraud in the Ukraine [see, U/D 17, first previous thread] that further amplified such techniques. [ –> public fact 2] So, systemic ignorance cannot be responsibly pleaded and indeed is discredited. [–> public duty, the media have a duty of reporting such to the public and of giving a true and fair view of the circumstances] Accordingly there were just on these cases sixteen to twenty six years to purge the said party of such a taint [–> direct implication of the duty and necessarily known fact, with some Arithmetic], but instead this year excuse of a pandemic was taken [–> public fact 3] to multiply opportunity and means for similar fraud. [–> the injection of the destabilising element, here judged on its known likely consequence: [1] effectively uncontrolled mail-in ballots on an industrial scale, [2] 3rd party ballot harvesting, [3] deliberate frustration of effective scrutineering, breaking chains of transparency and control on validity, joined to [4] fraud-conducive election gadgetry as has been demonstrated on videos shown in the immediately previous OP and recorded based on tests and competent witness] This is a moral duty demonstration of wrongful intent [–> refusal to do duty, to one’s advantage] and shifts or should shift our common sense evaluation [–> in short, decisive on best explanation] of evidence [affidavits, anomalous patterns, disturbances to counts, frustration of proper scrutineering (ponder barriers erected to block even distant observation as has been circulated by images, not just reports of witnesses), surge in vulnerable ballots, single candidate ballots etc][–> list of evidence] to recognise these as consistent with [–> inferred best explanation] carrying out a morally demonstrated intent. [–> duty failure implies intent in such a case] This obtains whether or not sufficient weight can be amassed to lead courts to vacate suspect ballots [–> anticipates failure of the court system], or whether criminal charges can be brought against leading individuals. [–> given cases as the 30k emails on a server willfully set up outside the government] That common sense issue is also implicated in Federalist 68 [–> historical analysis, to which there has been little or no cogent response], etc so state legislatures may have a duty to act in face of a tainted election. [–> the US Constitutional assignment of responsibility] The implication, no you do not get a second round to try again, but responsible bodies take up from [and remedy] your failure can be taken as a built in deterrent effect. [–> inference, on the nature of the backstops] However moral fibre in our civilisation has long been progressively undermined for generations. [-> I here point to the impacts of the currents of thought over the past 300 or so years, including the rise of amoral, nihilistic philosophies and ideologies, leading to the ongoing holocaust of living posterity in the womb and the utterly corrosive implications of linked mass blood guilt]
Beyond that, the stonewalling of Mr Pulitzer's kinematic artifacts inspection and other signs indicate guilty mind in action, tantamount to confession. The intent and the act are established to moral certainty, on a decades long pattern of wrongful behaviour. Unless there is acknowledgement and genuine reform, there is no genuine credibility in elections going forward. On your specific comments: >>(1) All 50 states and the District of Columbia have certified their election results. (2) The U.S. Congress finalized these results.>> - yes, results of a tainted process, destabilised from an already substandard state by [1] effectively uncontrolled mail-in ballots on an industrial scale, [2] 3rd party ballot harvesting, [3] deliberate frustration of effective scrutineering, breaking chains of transparency and control on validity, joined to [4] fraud-conducive election gadgetry as has been demonstrated on videos shown in the immediately previous OP and recorded based on tests and competent witness - mere certification does not make those go away >>(3) By the results, Biden won 306 electoral votes and the popular vote.>> - by tainted results as already pointed out. >>(4) There is no evidence that voter fraud affected the outcome of the election.>> - a fallacy of selective hyperskepticism shown by biased dismissal and refusal to address substance. >>(5) Election officials in every state have said there was no sign of significant voter fraud during the voting process.>> - there is direct evidence to the contrary >>(6) The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency and its election partners called the 2020 election “the most secure in American history.”>> - indeed, and so they discredit themselves in the face of evidence that will not go away. >>(7) Former Attorney General William Barr said the Justice Department had uncovered no evidence of widespread fraud, and Barr reiterated that point before his resignation.>> - Yes he did. Where such affirmations face the sheer weight of actual evidence. No authority, individual or collective, is better than facts and reasoning. - of course you have projected bias, dismissed without substantial engagement and hold no evidence. - over the next year, the consequences will emerge. KFkairosfocus_{January 8, 2021
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AS2 & JVL, okay, that death is now confirmed, another needless tragedy. KFkairosfocus_{January 8, 2021
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Stevie is clueless. Voter fraud has been found. And the divisive language came from the politicians when Trump, and outsider started winning the Republican primary. The non-stop, infantile hatred spewed by the loser Democrats at Trump for over 4 years proves that party is unfit for governing.ET_{January 8, 2021
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including one policeman who was there doing his duty
Unfortunate indeed! But who to blame: Trump, certainly for his words. The Congress that was installing an illegal government The Police commissioner for not having enough police for such a large crowd and who refused extra help The police themselves for letting them in the perimeter and then in the building. Definitely the rioters themselves. The press who had been lying to the public for years Lot of blame to go around. However, the real culprits will never admit blame. But I am glad you are concerned about people dying unnecessarily.jerry_{January 8, 2021
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KF, I am not going to get spun up on election fraud because of some biased dude's "here is the evidence" website. Here's what I know: (1) All 50 states and the District of Columbia have certified their election results. (2) The U.S. Congress finalized these results. (3) By the results, Biden won 306 electoral votes and the popular vote. (4) There is no evidence that voter fraud affected the outcome of the election. (5) Election officials in every state have said there was no sign of significant voter fraud during the voting process. (6) The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency and its election partners called the 2020 election “the most secure in American history.” (7) Former Attorney General William Barr said the Justice Department had uncovered no evidence of widespread fraud, and Barr reiterated that point before his resignation. I am sticking with this view of reality. Now, maybe that Dominion suit introduces something that should change my mind. At least in a court of law, we have a forum where the plaintiff and defendant are subject to something like the same rules. And remember, Sidney Powell is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Were she to be unable to convince a judge of the truth of her claims, then that would be something we all would need to take note of. Perhaps you don't care much for Powell or her Kraken claims, but surely if there is "evident election fraud" of any sort, then it belongs in court versus the street. Let me ask: do you hold Trump and his enablers in the GOP and the media accountable for anything? Do you or your fellow travelers ever get any part of it wrong? Or, is your deeply-held position that I (and others) actually have zero valid points, arguments, and perspectives? I don't expect a straightforward answer from you -- though maybe you'll surprise me -- but I have always been curious about whether you guys are so gobsmacked as to believe that the "despised other," as you like to say, is universally incorrect.LarTanner_{January 8, 2021
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Jerry @ 286 -
Aside: I don’t personally approve of the breaking in to the Capitol chambers. But the reaction to it is a thousand times worse than the actual break-in.
Five people died as a result of the break-in, including one policeman who was there doing his duty.Bob O'H_{January 8, 2021
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Kairosfocus “ First, one unarmed person was shot at close hand, mortally wounded.” We all agree that this is a tragedy. But have you seen the video? There were officers who are tasked to protect the legislators and the property on one side of the door, and an unknown number of rioters on the other side smashing the doors down. Who’s responsible? The cop? He/she will probably suffer serious consequences, and that is probably appropriate. I think it is fair to say that he/she used poor judgment. The overall police response? Yes, their early lack of enforcement probably made it worse. Trump? Without his rhetoric, hyperbole, divisive language and unsupported claims of fraud, this young lady would still be alive. True leaders think about everyone else before themselves. They think about the potential consequences of their words and actions. With cause, Trump is incapable of this.Steve Alten2_{January 8, 2021
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Kairosfocus: Next, it seems there has been a dispute over whether an officer died, why if so. No, there is no dispute about that. Shame on you.
Hunt for the MAGA cop killer: Feds launch murder probe into death of Trump-supporting Capitol cop who was 'hit over the head with a fire extinguisher' as hundreds of officers line the streets in tribute and Capitol flags fly at half-staff Brian D. Sicknick, 42, died in the hospital on Thursday night a day after the MAGA mob riot He was hit with a fire extinguisher while 'engaging' with the mob on Wednesday on Capitol Hill
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9124461/US-Capitol-Police-officer-DIES-following-MAGA-mob-riots-Congress-marking-FIFTH-death.htmlJVL_{January 8, 2021
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LT, SA2, your onward comments show the same pattern. First, one unarmed person was shot at close hand, mortally wounded. The contrast to what was being said across several months speaks, tellingly. Next, it seems there has been a dispute over whether an officer died, why if so. Three died in medical emergencies, which is sad but not comparable. There is no good reason to claim incitement, that is telling projection. Further to this, we cannot but note the ducking of the pivotal issue of substance, evident election fraud. You were repeatedly challenged, to address such evidence starting here https://hereistheevidence.com/ . That you ducked the material issue to project accusations says all we need to know on the actual balance on merits; you have no cogent answer but wish to project to the despised other, above even stepping over the line. The conclusion is that you are enabling fraud. Duly noted, for cause. KF PS: You would have benefitted from Professor Eastmond's remarks but of course the above is demonstration that you have closed your mind and tanked up on hostile projection.kairosfocus_{January 8, 2021
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Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd4GWVyF5dg and take due warning. KF
You seriously want people to waste more than an hour of their lives to watch Episode 641 of "Steve Bannon's War Room"? A taste of the comments:
The Deep State PLANNED AND STAGED THE VIOLENCE WITH ANTIFA. PELOSI SHOULD BE ARRESTED FOR TREASON.
Deep state, all caps.
Nobel Peace Prize for Pres. Trump. He deserves it.
If I recall, Trump did get the Noble Peace Price, which included a $15 Burger King gift certificate.
Barack and Michelle Obama are evangelists for the dark side
This person seems to think we live in a Star Wars movie.
Storm is coming.... We all had faith in Pence to come good, do the right thing and dispel all his past sins but he showed his true colours(blue tie). The President still has aces in his deck of cards.. Read between the lines... He is still the President of the United States of America.
The blue tie was a signal, you see. It's all a conspiracy.
All of this is leading up to the great tribulation that Jesus spoke of, and then climaxes to Jehovah's great day Armageddon (Matthew24:21 Revelation 16:14-16).Now is the time to reconcile yourselves to our father and creator Jehovah God Almighty (Psalm83:18 Exodus6:3 Revelation 4:11 John17:3).Jehovah (YHWH) God has promised everlasting life on a paradise earth (a new righteous society of people) for all who obey Him and His son Jesus Christ (John17:3 Psalm37:9-11,29 Matthew5:5 Matthew 7:21).Give your allegiance to Jehovah's Kingdom (theocratic heavenly government) the one that Jesus told us to pray for, because very soon it's going to destroy Satan's system and all who support it! (Matthew 6:10 Daniel 2:44 Revelation 16:14-16)
Boogedy-boo!
President Trump, if you even read these comments, we believe it would be a great idea to hold a rally on Jan 20th and ignore Steve, these people are what they are. I would say young Deplorable Americans had a taste of what a great President is and what could be. They also by seeing people for what they really are have received the best education possible.
Good idea!
I'm starting to think Trump was in on it the whole time what now all of a sudden it's over and he was asking for all them contributions and it just seems like now all of a sudden he gives up it's time for war
Another layer to the conspiracy. KF, thanks for the video recommendation, but I think I'll pass. Maybe you should try listening to NPR now and again?LarTanner_{January 8, 2021
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So there weren't any antifa counter-protesters there? Really? You lefties are delusional cowards, as always. You losers rioted and looted in DC for how many days in May and June? How many businesses were looted and burned by the left just mere months ago across the USA? It isn't Trump's fault that the people understand the election was rigged. The people know the consequences of democrats having full control- well at least 71 million of us do. The rest want to find out the hard way.ET_{January 8, 2021
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