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Okay, we are looking at the victory lap being taken (a bit prematurely, methinks) by the BLM trio of marxist founders. Here is BEEB:

Black Lives Matter founders: We fought to change history and we won

Published14 hours ago

The year 2020 will be remembered for a lot of things – not least the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement around the world.

The organisation has led huge street rallies and high-profile campaigns against racism and police brutality.

Now the three women who founded the movement have told the BBC they believe it has transformed politics.

“Black people alongside our allies stood up to change the course of history and we won,” said Alicia Garza.

Garza and her BLM co-founders, Patrisse Cullors and Opal Tometi, spoke as part of the BBC 100 Women Masterclass 2020, a digital live event of masterclasses, big interviews and guests on 30 November.

If you doubted that this is a Marxism-driven, colour-culture revolution push using Critical Race Theory as key ideological wedge, there you have it from the horses’ mouths.

In short, 4th Gen War:

. . . based on colour/cultural revolution insurgency, including dirty form McFaul programme election manipulation:

Okie, Dec 17, I clip from 1333 below, a focal point:

Just remember, given the realities of 4th gen war, there is now no hard border — no specific, momentous declaratory threshold — between

a: information and influence operations [including, too often “education”];

b: politics, law and power balances stratagems, and

c: full bore high kinetics war.

The intent of all three in ruthless hands, subjugation under a new lawless oligarchy, demands that we understand that tri-polar spectrum, and that we determine to stand for a civilisation of truth, right, honour and liberty in the face of its most insidious, treacherous enemies.

H’mm, Dec 15, let’s add in the Overton Window (with hints of Plato’s Parable of the Cave), to help us understand political/policy thinking in light of BATNA points:

Where, we need to ponder the change challenge:

. . . and the Mountains/pillars of influence mapping model:

Where are we drifting to, why and how?

Now, let us continue the already in progress [for four weeks!] live event . . . from here.

First U/D, the Arizona hearing when I can get it up.

Meanwhile, ponder just what is being said now, and what it implies beyond how they would wish it spun, given their admitted Marxism. BREAKING, CONTINUING (AFTER FOUR WEEKS) . . .

U/D1: Arizona hearings:

https://youtu.be/QfC2T7UpxkI

U/D2: Ms Powell with Mr Dobbs on state of play, a case in VA on the table. Also, even as a restraining order was being debated in a see-saw back-forth, in Fulton County, a Server was taken by a technician on excuse of software update and has disappeared from chain of custody. From CA, a tape has been forwarded to Ms Powell and reveals 550 votes from 270 people, an indication of algorithmic manipulation:

Ms Powell, the entire FBI and Dept of Justice need to be hosed out with Chlorox and firehoses.

F/N: Was the Electoral College simply a way to entrench slavery — merely ramshackle defence of slavery? A discussion on republic vs direct instant effect democracy:

[PREDICTABLY, SADLY, CENSORED]

U/D2, Dec 2, hearings in MI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXkAv7yKgw

U/D3, Dec 2: HT BA77, we now have chain of custody on ballots going into PA by the trailer-load. The ballots seen coming in at wee hours were in similar containers:

U/D4, Dec 2: Spykman’s framework of heartland, rimland and the outer crescent of maritime Islands and continents:

This is the framework for geostrategic analysis. Desperately compressed, c 1904 Mackinder identified that rail, telegraph, telephone etc allowed mobilisation of continental resources in the heart of the Eurasian landmass that would counterweight the maritime powers, i.e. Britain with the US coming up behind. C20 can be viewed as the history of two German grabs and one Russian one, failed. Rimlands are a belt between, coast and near hinterlands. The outer arc is where maritime power and sea trade dominate. Thus, the chief maritime power guarantees global stability.

I have argued as follows c April 2016, the current US 4th gen civil war with global entanglement is a playing out of this picture. Notice the Iranian push, vulture no. 3. No Ko is a wannabe:

U/D5, Dec 2, Ordinary people have their say (and often get smeared by the media dominant narrative — a comment):

Hannity shows ordinary witnesses.Twitter so no YT link.

U/D6, Dec 4: Here is the Oct 2016 video of independent body blackbox voting dot org:

Note, from commented screen captures:

U/D7, Mr Giuliani requests disciplinary action for defamation violation of parliamentary privilege, regarding dismissal of evidence and attacking his professional integrity:

In the course of this he corrects widespread talking points: 3 cases brought not the 39 being talked about. 2,000 affidavits under penalty of law, and we know now of the video of four suitcases of ballots counted after scrutineers were dismissed, being told that counting was over for the night, in GA.

The member signalling intent to dox and harass a witness by demanding even her maiden name should take due note.

U/D8, Dec 5: Smoking gun? (Video here.) The midnight, unsupervised ballot counting in GA — though strictly, the count from its outset with scrutineers corralled, was invalid:

U/D9, Dec 7, concerns that Dominion machines have flipped votes and on a test run a sequestered machine has continued to do so:

Cf. Expert testimony:

https://youtu.be/ijtaV5Twf6o

Cybersecurity expert, Russell Ramsland is speaking under the umbrella of his affidavit.

U/D, Dec 10, Lou Dobbs on the “Russian intelligence”/ “conspiracy theory” dismissive talking points on Mr Hunter Biden (with implications that his chief asset on offer was access) and Ms Powell’s unleashing of the Kracken:

https://youtu.be/IQjjjrR9QUY

[PREDICTABLY, CENSORED]

U/D11, Dec 11: Here is a framework for addressing media spin and gaslighting, agit-prop etc:

As it is such a glaring example on what was said in the “fine people” remarks, and as Sandy brought it up, let me add this correction from the record . . . yes, transcript, on Charlottesville:

U/D13, Dec 12, here is a backgrounder on Alcibiades which also gives a useful survey of the Peloponnesian war. One hopes, this will not be censored:

U/D14, Dec 12 HT BA77, Dominion demonstrations, part 1:

. . . and part 2:

5:04 on in this part 2 shows scanning in then voting a BLANK ballot, which the operator says “totally bothers me.”

She demonstrates also how adjudicated ballots can be voted.

We separately know that the scanner can mark ballots, sold as a feature for the visually impaired.

In short there is now no responsible doubt that the sort of manipulation discussed is a real capability — means. Frustration of scrutineering creates opportunity and decisively undermines integrity of the election vote counts. Motive is easy, power in the midst of a 4th Gen Civil war, in the form of a colour-culture revolution push, theme colour black. The testimony of many witnesses, statistical red flags etc point to actual occurrence, but recall, this is secondary. The primary issue is massive injection of effectively uncontrolled mail in ballots with 3rd party ballot harvesting and similar frustration of scrutineering implying dubious chain of custody.

All of this then points to the 26 years of history going back to the PA case of 1994 and through the exposure of election gadgetry since the early 2000’s, then rejections by CA and TX as well as links to Venezuela and more.

I strongly suggest, download the videos for yourself before they vanish into the censorship black hole.

U/D15: Hima’s testimony, something needs to be fixed here:

U/D16, Dec 13: I think it is profitable to look at a backgrounder on Mountains/pillars of influence, dominant worldviews and agendas, the change challenge and the crooked yardstick effect. First, the seven mountains, a mapping model for dealing with a corrupt culture as a remnant of soundness under God (originally, Schaeffer et al, 1970’s):

Linked, the Machiavelli change-timing challenge:

Underlying problem: crooked yardsticks vs plumb-lines:

Deeper background, a sounder view on political spectrum:

Further deeper understanding of an en-darkened civilisation, adapting Schaeffer’s vision:

Our civilisation is at obvious kairos, a hinge of history, with major dangers and opportunities. It is time to be good people of the remnant in the face of an Ac 27 storm.

U/D17, Dec 14, Ms Powell on the state of the American Courts and Republic on a date that most likely will live in infamy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKfK8jkSwPA

(Has this ALREADY been censored?)

Lou Dobbs with Ms Powell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGEmSMLgVeY

U/D18, Dec 16: A summary of the lesson of 1876/77, on the price paid for a devil’s bargain that swallowed electoral fraud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbSgCpPors

Yes, the Democrats refused to acknowledge fraud and a devil’s bargain was struck over 20 electors that stopped Reconstruction in a way that opened up the abuses that lingered to the 1960’s.

U/D19, Dec 19: a summary of red flags from the Navarro Report, so we can see in the context of being an evidence summary:

U/D20: The “Solar Winds” Cyber attack, apparently in progress for 6 months, with direct entanglement with the tainted election (cf. 17:00 on):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=869&v=3T9VDichLPM&feature=youtu.be

[predictably, poof!]

China is named, along with Iran and North Korea. As well as, of course, Russia having been widely deemed suspect no. 1. This is an obvious example of an information-influence operation as act of 4G war, connecting the local civil conflict in the US to the global conflict, de facto WW4. Forbes comments:

The recently discovered cyber attacks against numerous U.S. government departments and  thousands of public and private sector entities around the world, via a compromise of SolarWinds software, underscore the risks associated with third party vendors and raise questions about liability. The attacks were allegedly perpetrated by Russia and were highly sophisticated . . . .

The attackers compromised the software “signature” of SolarWinds’s Orion network monitoring software and distributed malware as a software update. Public and private encryption keys are used to “sign” software. A software update is “signed” using an encryption algorithm and the developer’s private key, which creates a hash “signature.”  This “signature” is validated by the receiver of the software update by using the sender’s public key. The signature process assures the integrity of the update and instills trust in users of the software. 

In a December 14 SEC filing, SolarWinds said that of its more than 300,000 customers, they believed that less than 18,000 entities may have downloaded the Orion update during the March-June 2020 timeframe [–> the 6 months timeline], which likely included the malware. The malware operated stealthily and exfiltrated valuable intellectual property, confidential and proprietary data, emails, and other valuable information from victims’ systems. It was unknown until prominent cybersecurity firm FireEye, also a victim of the attacks, discovered the malware and reported on the attacks on December 13, 2020.

According to FireEye, once installed in a system, the malware remained quiet for a couple of weeks and then masqueraded as the Orion Improvement Program protocol. It stored data from its internal activities within actual SolarWinds files on the system, thereby making its detection all the more difficult.  The malware had highly credentialed access to the system and could disable system services, reboot machines, exfiltrate data, execute files, change system configurations, and perform actions usually taken by a highly privileged system administrator.

That sounds rather familiar, and illustrates what happens if a trusted supplier is compromised. Gen Flynn’s remarks at 16:05 on are worth transcribing:

When we talk about our election security . . . I think this is all part of it, because there is a relationship between this solar winds attack; which has basically penetrated our entire critical infrastructure as well as our election security. So we have to look at everything we’re doing . . . okay with all of the egregious behaviour that we’ve seen on our election security we cannot stand for foreign influence, which we have direct evidence of foreign influence. We also have direct evidence now from other countries, from other foreign partners who have evidence.

In fact they were watching the attacks on our election system, on our election process on the 3rd of November and they are willing to provide that directly to the President.

So we now have that evidence and have received that today. It’s very important.

So there are foreign partners and allies that are willing to help us with our election security and this Solar Winds system is really really dangerous and more has to be done.

The likely allies obviously include Israel, likely Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and possibly Australia given the focus on China.

Again, we are back to whose report do you believe, why.

U/D21, Dec 23: It was not possible to find the 1984 Movie through a Google search (yes, they are that unconscious of the irony) but DDG showed it, here is a colour version at YT, this may be pretty important holiday viewing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl4kt4kUE88

If that gets purged, here is Web Archive.

U/D22, Dec 28: Understand the anger of the perpetually manipulated:

One does not have to endorse the above across the board to see that it has a telling point or two about the “Uniparty” and the issue of fundamentally unaccountable elites, leading a manipulated march of folly. Here, the lesson of Ac 27 is again all too relevant.

U/D23: A Canadian Lawyer and an American Lawyer discuss — as an example — the dismissal of the Wisconsin care; an example of how the election fraud concerns are being sidelined:

U/D24, Jan 3, what the Ukrainians have to say about corruption and investigation, through an Interfax press conference. Such needs to be soberly addressed in detail:

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Follow-on thread https://uncommondescent.com/ud-newswatch-highlights/ud-live-event-part-3-us-election-moves-to-resolution/kairosfocus
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Exclusive: Over 432,000 Votes Removed From Trump in Pennsylvania, Data Scientists Say - January 4, 2021 Excerpt: Pennsylvania election data shows that over 432,000 votes were removed from President Donald Trump during the November election, data scientists say. According to an analysis by the Data Integrity Group, obtained exclusively by The Epoch Times, votes for Trump—from both Election Day and mail-in ballots—were removed from the totals in at least 15 counties. Time-series election data shows Trump’s votes decrementing in various counties at numerous time points instead of increasing as would be expected under normal circumstances. The group said that Election Day vote removals happened during the vote tabulation process in at least 15 counties, including Lehigh County, Chester County, Allegheny County, Armstrong County, Westmoreland County, Northhampton County, Delaware County, Montgomery County, Lackawanna County, Dauphin County, Pike County, Carbon County, Washington County, Erie County, and Luzerne County. Meanwhile, absentee vote removals happened in Allegheny County, Chester County, and Lehigh County. At least 432,116 votes—213,707 election day votes and 218,409 absentee votes—were removed in total. https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-over-432000-votes-removed-from-trump-in-pennsylvania-data-scientists-say_3642202.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-04-1 Of note,, 117th Congress ends prayer with 'Amen and A-Woman' https://parler.com/post/e11bb3dc7396446b8e1e3e9c15e967c6 Undeniable proof that progressive ideology makes you retarded!bornagain77
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Time for a new thread!
Seconded.Bob O'H
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Scott Adams observed this morning
The new Trump phone call hoax about "pressuring" the AG of Georgia depends entirely on knowing the public won't listen to the entire call. That's how we got the Covington Kids Hoax, the Fine People Hoax and the Drinking Bleach Hoax. It's worse than Watergate!
https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1346084180422057984 I believe it’s not the AG but the Secretary of State. Fake news is now standard. The left lives on hoaxes. They have to because their ideology doesn’t work. But also be careful what some non-left sites say too. Lots of misinformation out there. Lots of crazies on both sides but left has many more. Time for a new thread!jerry
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F/N: Let us not forget the SMICE factor:
S - SEX - honey traps (known to literally drive men to suicide on being publicly shamed or threatened) M - MONEY - the love of money is one root of all evils. I - IDEOLOGY - reprogramming people with suitable crooked yardsticks so warps thinking and perception that the hitherto unthinkable seems reasonable and right. C - COMPROMISE - blackmail works, works so well it involves a ratchet demanding more and more E - EXTORTION - what people do under SMICE pressure that they would not otherwise do.
As we go forward, bear these in mind. KFkairosfocus
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PS: Again, a warning from the ghosts of Socrates and Plato -- when will our objectors address this and the backdrop of the Peloponnesian war?
It is not too hard to figure out that our civilisation is in deep trouble and is most likely headed for shipwreck. (And of course, that sort of concern is dismissed as “apocalyptic,” or neurotic pessimism that refuses to pause and smell the roses.) Plato’s Socrates spoke to this sort of situation, long since, in the ship of state parable in The Republic, Bk VI:
>>[Soc.] I perceive, I said, that you are vastly amused at having plunged me into such a hopeless discussion; but now hear the parable, and then you will be still more amused at the meagreness of my imagination: for the manner in which the best men are treated in their own States is so grievous that no single thing on earth is comparable to it; and therefore, if I am to plead their cause, I must have recourse to fiction, and put together a figure made up of many things, like the fabulous unions of goats and stags which are found in pictures. Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain [–> often interpreted, ship’s owner] who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. [= The people own the community and in the mass are overwhelmingly strong, but are ill equipped on the whole to guide, guard and lead it] The sailors are quarrelling with one another about the steering – every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer [= selfish ambition to rule and dominate], though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them [–> kubernetes, steersman, from which both cybernetics and government come in English]; and if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard [ = ruthless contest for domination of the community], and having first chained up the noble captain’s senses with drink or some narcotic drug [ = manipulation and befuddlement, cf. the parable of the cave], they mutiny and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such a manner as might be expected of them [–> Cf here Luke’s subtle case study in Ac 27]. Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of the captain’s hands into their own whether by force or persuasion [–> Nihilistic will to power on the premise of might and manipulation making ‘right’ ‘truth’ ‘justice’ ‘rights’ etc], they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other people like or not-the possibility of this union of authority with the steerer’s art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made part of their calling. Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing? [Ad.] Of course, said Adeimantus. [Soc.] Then you will hardly need, I said, to hear the interpretation of the figure, which describes the true philosopher in his relation to the State [ --> here we see Plato's philosoppher-king emerging]; for you understand already. [Ad.] Certainly. [Soc.] Then suppose you now take this parable to the gentleman who is surprised at finding that philosophers have no honour in their cities; explain it to him and try to convince him that their having honour would be far more extraordinary. [Ad.] I will. [Soc.] Say to him, that, in deeming the best votaries of philosophy to be useless to the rest of the world, he is right; but also tell him to attribute their uselessness to the fault of those who will not use them, and not to themselves. The pilot should not humbly beg the sailors to be commanded by him –that is not the order of nature; neither are ‘the wise to go to the doors of the rich’ –the ingenious author of this saying told a lie –but the truth is, that, when a man is ill, whether he be rich or poor, to the physician he must go, and he who wants to be governed, to him who is able to govern. [--> the issue of competence and character as qualifications to rule] The ruler who is good for anything ought not to beg his subjects to be ruled by him [ --> down this road lies the modern solution: a sound, well informed people will seek sound leaders, who will not need to manipulate or bribe or worse, and such a ruler will in turn be checked by the soundness of the people, cf. US DoI, 1776]; although the present governors of mankind are of a different stamp; they may be justly compared to the mutinous sailors, and the true helmsmen to those who are called by them good-for-nothings and star-gazers. [Ad.] Precisely so, he said. [Soc] For these reasons, and among men like these, philosophy, the noblest pursuit of all, is not likely to be much esteemed by those of the opposite faction [--> the sophists, the Demagogues, Alcibiades and co, etc]; not that the greatest and most lasting injury is done to her by her opponents, but by her own professing followers, the same of whom you suppose the accuser to say, that the greater number of them are arrant rogues, and the best are useless; in which opinion I agreed [--> even among the students of the sound state (here, political philosophy and likely history etc.), many are of unsound motivation and intent, so mere education is not enough, character transformation is critical]. [Ad.] Yes. [Soc.] And the reason why the good are useless has now been explained? [Ad.] True. [Soc.] Then shall we proceed to show that the corruption of the majority is also unavoidable [--> implies a need for a corruption-restraining minority providing proverbial salt and light, cf. Ac 27, as well as justifying a governing structure turning on separation of powers, checks and balances], and that this is not to be laid to the charge of philosophy any more than the other? [Ad.] By all means. [Soc.] And let us ask and answer in turn, first going back to the description of the gentle and noble nature.[ -- > note the character issue] Truth, as you will remember, was his leader, whom he followed always and in all things [ --> The spirit of truth as a marker]; failing in this, he was an impostor, and had no part or lot in true philosophy [--> the spirit of truth is a marker, for good or ill] . . . >>
(There is more than an echo of this in Acts 27, a real world case study. [Luke, a physician, was an educated Greek with a taste for subtle references.] This blog post, on soundness in policy, will also help)
kairosfocus
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F/N: A further instance of cognitive dissonance-driven projection: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-gop-cant-stop-biden-but-theyll-murder-democracy-trying >>The GOP Can’t Stop Biden but They’ll Murder Democracy Trying ‘THE DIE IS CAST’>> - the evidence of industrial scale tainting of an election is sidelined, as is the history of the past 20 years and especially the past 4 - but note, what is being pondered even as it is projected to the despised other. >>Michael Tomasky Special Correspondent Updated Jan. 04, 2021 6:00AM ET Published Jan. 04, 2021 5:01AM ET Maybe the voters of Georgia will surprise us and make this a week to celebrate. If Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff manage to eke out victories, then the whole story of the 2020 election changes from one in which the Democrats took the White House but got clubbed everywhere else to a story of a narrow but clear rejection of Trumpism (in which case thank you, Stacey Abrams).>> - The clear issue of Marxism . . . ? Silence. - the clear issue of willful tainting of election and linked evidence, silence. >>But if that doesn’t happen, this will go down as one of the darkest weeks in the history of this democracy. Donald Trump’s madman rant at Brad Raffensberger was insane and impeachable and blood-curdling and all the rest, >> - notice, the identical tone and language to JVL above, suggesting hymn sheet in action. - the actual call shows anything but ranting, though the overwrought reaction of the hostile polarised is clearly being projected to the despised other, inviting the observation that the mirror principle applies. >>but more that that: It was a reminder that we’re just a couple of corrupt state officials away from November’s democratic outcome being overruled.>> - per the mirror, they are within reach of institutionalising conversion from democracy to de-mock-racy. - they also fear that the wisdom of the Framers in setting up clear Constitutional backstops to save the republic from corrupt, tainted elections, just might prevail, and are setting out to further entrench polarisation. This article should have reviwed the relevant law, procedures, history and current evidence leading to calling for calm confidence in sound republican institutions. Instead under pretence of defending democracy it sets out to enable overthrow. >>And the shocking decision by a dozen United States senators to challenge election results that each state’s election apparatus and dozens of state courts and the nation’s chief law-enforcement officer have ruled valid>> - no such actual ruling on pondering of evidence in open court has been given. >>is a [SNIP] of epic, historic proportions. It will lead—not may lead, will lead—to the dissolution of democracy. It’s really only a matter of how long it will take.>> - implicit confession of the end state, revenge is to be taken on the deplorables. KFkairosfocus
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PPS: Let's not forget the media spin games: https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1345804567053803520 >>Rep. Jim Jordan @Jim_Jordan House Democrats have tried to object to every Republican president elected in the last 20 years. But the media says that #JAN6 is "unprecedented." 2:49 PM · Jan 3, 2021·Twitter Web App 16.6K Retweets 697 Quote Tweets 64.7K Likes>> Video: https://twitter.com/PatriotNews8/status/1345805249433505792kairosfocus
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AC, the issue is undermining fabric of personal identity, sexuality informed by naturally evident creation order, primary relationships and family structure, breakdown of morality [so, undermining rationality itself as reason is morally governed] thus fatal weakening of civilisation. That is not only cynical Marxist Critical Theories but a misanthropic intent to impose and dominate under false colour of alleged oppressive sky war-god bronze age patriarchy to be overthrown. The underlying irresponsibility is breathtaking. KFkairosfocus
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Ortho, the facts and their import have not evaporated, though they have been subjected to agit prop style spin games. Since you imply a challenge, start with the moral duty challenge on key facts:
The Failed Moral Duty Challenge: First, all relevant officials and connected persons have a main duty to ensure integrity of elections, and know or should acknowledge the potential for fraud and what it can mean. [–> almost self-evident] Therefore, neglect on a systemic basis is only partly negligence, it becomes in material part a strong sign of wrongful intent. [–> refusal to do due diligence and known duty are signs of tort] In the case of the US and a relevant party, in Feb 1994, the NYT published a front page, just below fold article [see, 1273 previous thread] on a judge’s reversal of an election outcome and of majority in a legislature in PA, due to fraud connected to a known vulnerable type of ballot and to harvesting, intimidation etc. [–> public fact 1] Ten years later in 2004, The US congress received testimony on fraud in the Ukraine [see, U/D 17, previous thread] that further amplified such techniques. [ –> public fact 2] So, systemic ignorance cannot be responsibly pleaded and indeed is discredited. [–> public duty, the media have a duty of reporting such to the public and of giving a true and fair view of the circumstances] Accordingly there were just on these cases sixteen to twenty six years to purge the said party of such a taint [–> direct implication of the duty and necessarily known fact, with some Arithmetic], but instead this year excuse of a pandemic was taken [–> public fact 3] to multiply opportunity and means for similar fraud. [–> the injection of the destabilising element, here judged on its known likely consequence: [1] effectively uncontrolled mail-in ballots on an industrial scale, [2] 3rd party ballot harvesting, [3] deliberate frustration of effective scrutineering, breaking chains of transparency and control on validity, joined to [4] fraud-conducive election gadgetry as has been demonstrated on videos shown in the OP and recorded based on tests cand competent witness] This is a moral duty demonstration of wrongful intent [–> refusal to do duty, to one’s advantage] and shifts or should shift our common sense evaluation [–> in short, decisive on best explanation] of evidence [affidavits, anomalous patterns, disturbances to counts, frustration of proper scrutineering (ponder barriers erected to block even distant observation as has been circulated by images, not just reports of witnesses), surge in vulnerable ballots, single candidate ballots etc][–> list of evidence] to recognise these as consistent with [–> inferred best explanation] carrying out a morally demonstrated intent. [–> duty failure implies intent in such a case] This obtains whether or not sufficient weight can be amassed to lead courts to vacate suspect ballots [–> anticipates failure of the court system], or whether criminal charges can be brought against leading individuals. [–> given cases as the 30k emails on a server willfully set up outside the government] That common sense issue is also implicated in Federalist 68 [–> historical analysis, to which there has been little or no cogent response], etc so state legislatures may have a duty to act in face of a tainted election. [–> the US Constitutional assignment of responsibility] The implication, no you do not get a second round to try again, but responsible bodies take up from [and remedy] your failure can be taken as a built in deterrent effect. [–> inference, on the nature of the backstops] However moral fibre in our civilisation has long been progressively undermined for generations. [-> I here point to the impacts of the currents of thought over the past 300 or so years, including the rise of amoral, nihilistic philosophies and ideologies, leading to the ongoing holocaust of living posterity in the womb and the utterly corrosive implications of linked mass blood guilt]
The issue pivots on intent and it is clear that on a long term basis there has been a push to undermine election 9integrity with particular emphasis falling on key urban areas subject to machine politics. So, it is UNSURPRISING that there would be marxist style strategies and operations designed to take advantage of a "Crisis of Capitalism," here, CV19 and its economic and social dislocation. An army of about 600 lawyers and 10,000 activists reportedly fanned out to inject the notoriously destabilising effectively uncontrolled mail-in ballots and linked 3rd party ballot harvesting. Poll worker training -- there are vid clips -- was preparing for frustration of scrutineering. Those are precisel;y the patterns that did appear per testimony under direct oath or under shadow of such sworn statements under penalty of perjury. Turning to Fulton County, we saw a surveillance video, the very video BA77 has pointed to so many times. That video shows the expected pattern, unfortunately. Scroll up to OP and note highlighted clips. Given pivotal import of sound scrutineering in creating credible chain of custody, corralling of scrutineers is already decisive. Sound chain of custody was broken. Such was multiplied when Ms Blonde Braids [I avoid the name], walks up and clearly dismissed workers and watchers. This cleared the coast for activities that even corralled watchers should have been able to red flag. For two hours unsupervised counting including multiple counts of batches proceeded, starting with rolling four suitcase like containers of ballots from under the black draped table which had been set up that morning by Ms Blonde Braids. Ms Purple Top, Ms Yellow top and Mr Red Shirt are particularly clearly involved. Reports from the current call indicate per magnified, slow motion count, some 18k ballots were involved here, previously estimated as up to 30k. In either case well beyond the state margin. In the court-supervised settlement call leaked by one side and framed to try to taint Mr Trump, he notes that the ballots were all Biden. That would itself be a far fluctuation phenomenon. Going further, on Dec 31 we had a compelling presentation of evidence which has been derided and dismissed, too often with ad hominems. Such included the undeniable physics of kinematic artifacts of the history of a sheet of paper. Whether by machine or by hand, processing will leave marks detectable by contrast with sheets not so processed. Accordingly the Sub Committee resolved that Mr Pulitzer, a significant inventor with a patent wall of 200, be allowed to carry out scan based testing. This followed up from an attempt under GA law involving four high capacity scanners. Objections were made asbove, it turns out that some 70 scanners, I would add a 5% reserve, would credibly scan 500k ballots in two hours at a rate of a scan per second. Further to such, 300 dpi scans would resolve to 0.085 mm, I would likely prefer 1200 dpi. There is no question that what was folded, mailed and hand marked would show detectable artifacts, indeed that given the random fibre pattern of paper, a felt of cellulose fibres, each such fold would be more unique than a finger print. Hand marks create indents different from pixel type matrix array printer technology, and again different from old fashioned press printers. The algorithms to detect such would be similar to OCR and the like, that would take ms per sheet; the process rate determining step is the scan. Such testing can determine if ballots were mailed and marked by hand or were bulk produced without going through mail even if folded. It can detect if marking was hand made or machine printed. It can detect if these ballots underwent an undue number of passes through a scanner previous to this review scan. It can detect whether paper came from plausible batches, of what likely provenance, and much more. Such scans should become routine audit checks going forward. Further to this serious questions have emerged regarding ballot harvesting and linked forgery of signatures. Per multiple affidavits and testimony under that umbrella, there was extraordinary laxness in signature verification across the key sites, and from comments above the signature cross checks were also lax. Similar scans and algorithms can and would verify signature and handwriting authenticity. That, too, should be followed up. In short, across about a year key destabilising elements were knowingly wrongfully deployed using Marxist crisis-exploitation techniques. Racist voter suppression accusation lurks, somehow ignoring how routine verification and chain of custody control on transactions and valuable documents are in modern societies and organisation across racial lines. There is considerable evidence that this was deployed operationally, at industrial scale. On scrutineer corralling, frustration and harassment, TCF centre Detroit is as notorious as the midnight ballot rollout and count. Reportedly, within four hours of the resolution, trucks pulled up, collected ballots and took them elsewhere. Whether simple stonewalling or shredding was involved, that is the act of guilty mind to cover up or run out the clock. Where in the call, Mr Trump indicated that by Sat AM, 3,000 lb ~ 1 1/2 tons -- of ballots were shredded per reports. Such is far beyond what was rolled out. This sort of behaviour -- confession by action -- is of high probative value. As I inferred at 1900:
1] it decisively shifts balance of plausibilities as we have established organised guilt in position of power to impose its will, here following up on failed moral duty implying knowing wrongful intent. 2] It multiplies the credibility of other lines of evidence and testimony, leading to 3] strongly warranted inference that the programme of action that sent out an army of lawyers and activists to set up destabilising, effectively uncontrolled mail-in ballots and associated 3rd party ballot harvesting was a calculated attempt to subvert the will of the American people expressed through lawful voting, on a continent-wide scale. Further, 4] The cover-up should lead to immediate recognition that fraud of industrial scale strongly connected to mail-in ballot schemes is now effectively established through cover-up attempt. Thus, the election is tainted similar to 1876, 1824, 1800 and credibly 1960. Tainted, in such a way that 5] if this is established [cf. HR1], no further elections in the US would be credible. That is, 6] We are at the “long train of abuses and usurpations . . .” threshold discussed in the US DoI. If resort is not now made to the Constitutional backstops, such is causus belli. Accordingly, 7] As of urgency, investigations should be initiated at local and federal level, to address the crime and key people clearly need to go to gaol over this, junior people need to face disciplinary measures. Further, 8] any onward media enabling of fraud through propagation of narrative and agit prop should be taken as showing willful complicity. And, 9] the scope of issues being continent wide, reforms need to be national. Things are so bad, that 10] I think we need to drill down on the issue of names frequency to see if the rot is that deep.
Similar patterns spread across continental scale, in a coordinated window of time marked by the historically unique halts to counts in five key states followed by the F-curve surges that created the perceived shifting of lead. I need only note that there are parallel lines of evidence on incoherence of election outcomes [coat tails without a coat, bellwether failure, demographic inconsistencies], statistical far-fluctuation "impossibilities" showing a consistent pattern [and 18 k votes all B would count, or even only overwhelmingly B], and of course clear evidence of inadequate and fraud-prone election gadgetry. This pattern, I predict (on track record of objections for weeks), you cannot answer on merits substantially. Prove me wrong _________ KF PS: I add, the situation as at now is of grave global peril, this is not just a US issue. For, even though I predict the radical progressives will lose across this year and key power centres will so discredit themselves that there will be major power realignments as strategic decision is reached, the distraction and chaos will open up dangerous global opportunities for the obvious, circling Eurasian geostrategic vultures and for non-state vultures already lurking in shadows. Those consequences are already going to be bad and explain why the vultures would risk and burn up their cannon fodder like this in what they doubtless expect is a pinning attack that just might itself get results. The big moves are elsewhere and peoples oceans away are going to pay a terrible price for an American election fiasco. In sum, at this stage the US faces two options, [a] accept that it has a tainted election similar to 1876 and deal with it through constitutional backstops, or [b] present an unconquered western people with an existential threat. Here, that going forward, elections are fatally compromised and manipulated in service to a radical, Marxist, anti-civilisation misanthropic agenda championed by the power hungry and unreasonable who have already shown their ruthlessness, implacable hostility, corruption, willful guilty mind and deceit. On 2500 years of history, b is not advisable. A good recent example is when Israel was cornered in May 1967 and again in October 1973. A first example can be seen from the Persian invasions of Greece.kairosfocus
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@Silver Asiatic:
I pointed out that in certain contexts you cannot interchange them. You seem to disagree with this and are claiming there’s an equivalency in the rule change below, (...)
No, I've never disagreed with this. I'm saying that in the old rules the terms "father and mother" and "parent" are interchangeable. Please have a look at the old rules, where both, parent and father and mother, are used. I've even posted quotes in my previous post. > other than a spouse, or a parent -- is interchangeable with --> other than a spouse, or a father or a mother > or Resident Commissioner as father, mother -- is interchangeable with --> or Resident Commissioner as parent
as well as there being some need or social requirement for making the changes
I don't know what the social requirements would be. I've never advocated for the change. Now, I, personally, like consistent wording in rules or technical texts. I'd either use father and mother or parent in all places. Obviously, that would make it easier to work with the text (e.g. searching for references).AndyClue
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SA @2003, I don't know if you've been following along, but am of these claims have evaporated in the face of any actual knowledge about election processes. So seeing people jump in the next last final proof and jettisoning the last one without learning anything is a bit ridiculous. Your latest re-warmed meme is an example. In context, the election manager of talking about how many votes are now recorded by the county (a few less than the number scanned). If any ballot in a batch needs to be adjudicated no ballot in the batch can be recorded until those ones are sorted. So adjudication becomes a bottleneck and Baron reports the number scanned (first step) and the number past adjudication (second step). I do agree that US election infrastructure is quite rickety compared to most of the world. But that's largely a result of federalism and devolving a national election down to a bunch of local ones. Something conservatives are usually in favour of.orthomyxo
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Given Trump's recent track record on litigation, I rather hope he does pursue those cases. I also hope a criminal investigation into this call is set in motion as requested here:
On Sunday evening, a member of the state election board called for an investigation into whether any part of the call constituted criminal behavior. David Worley, a senior Democrat on the board, wrote a letter to Raffensperger asking him to launch an investigation of the call "to determine whether violations of the provisions of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated which prohibit solicitation to commit election fraud have occurred." Worley said the election board could then determine whether there's a possible crime to refer to Georgia prosecutors.
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"Despite the partisan framing from the Washington Post – that the call somehow reflected Trump making demands for votes from his Republican colleagues – the President actually does no such thing. Throughout the call, the President makes clear that his calls are for election transparency, full and transparent audits, and public access. At no point does the President imply he wants votes invented or confected, as the establishment media is portraying. He even offers to recuse himself from parts of the conversation and ends by asking for “the truth… it’s just that simple.” https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis/trump-call-actually-reveals-detail/bornagain77
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Lawsuits: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/president-trump-files-two-lawsuits-dirty-georgia-secretary-state-raffensperger-leaking-confidential-litigation-call/ >>David Shafer: President Donald Trump has filed two lawsuits – federal and state – against Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. This was after Raffensperger secretly recorded the “confidential settlement discussion” of that litigation that is still pending. The audio published by the Washington Post is heavily edited and omits the stipulation that all discussions were for the purpose of settling litigation and confidential under federal and state law.>> Chairman, GA Republican Party: https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1345868685605543940 >>Thread See new Tweets Tweet David Shafer @DavidShafer · 3h President @realDonaldTrump has filed two lawsuits - federal and state - against @GaSecofState . The telephone conference call @GaSecofState secretly recorded was a “confidential settlement discussion” of that litigation, which is still pending. David Shafer @DavidShafer · 3h The audio published by @TheWashingtonPost is heavily edited and omits the stipulation that all discussions were for the purpose of settling litigation and confidential under federal and state law.>> We shall see . . . KFkairosfocus
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Transcript of the phone call that includes the Ruby Freeman evidence,
President Trump: We have at least 18,000, that’s on tape. We had them counted very painstakingly. 18,000 voters having to with BEEP (Ruby Freeman). She’s a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler. BEEP (Ruby Freeman) that is the tape that is shown all over the world. It makes everybody look bad, you, me and everybody else. Number one, they said very clearly, and it’s been reported that they said that there’s a water main break. Everybody fled the area. And then they came back. BEEP (Ruby Freeman) and her daughter and a few people. There were no Republican poll watchers. Actually, there were no Democrat poll watchers. I guess they were them. But there were no Democrats either. And no law enforcement. Early in the morning they went to the table with the black robe, the black shield and they pulled out the votes. Those votes were put there a number of hours before. Brad, you would know. It was probably eight hours, or seven hours before, and then it was stuffed with votes. They weren’t in an official voter boxes they were in what looked to be suitcases, or trunks, or suitcases. But they weren’t in voter boxes. The minimum number they could be because they watched it certified in slow motion, instant replay, if you can believe it, and it was magnified many times over, and the minimum it was was 18,000 ballots all for Biden. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/huge-trump-drops-bomb-phone-call-tells-raffensperger-vote-scammer-hustler-ruby-freeman-behind-18000-fraudulent-votes-suitcase-scandal-video/
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You use and exploit public media to ostracise and intimidate people you disagree with. (This forum is a case in point.).
I perceive that I have unintentionally offended you or was unjust in the force of my response to you. For that, I apologize. I appreciate the correction. I am getting too carried away with it. Ted Cruz just made a comment asking all sides to "calm down". I will take that advice, as well as your correction. Again, I'm sorry for the rash commentary - you didn't deserve that.Silver Asiatic
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JVL, your projection and cognitive dissonance challenge is unfortunately again manifested. There is evidence, massive evidence, I have not blindly bought into anything, I have taken time to look and for cause -- as with about 1/2 the US population BTW -- I am troubled by what I am seeing. Because I know the kind of cost likely to come of this, see my geostrategic chart from 41/2 years ago which I know objectors put out there to see what the read on it was. We now see it playing out with the US situation in context being a theatre of 4GW operations in the midst of what is WW4, WW3 being the cold war. In addition, I have the experience of having lived through a 4G civil war, so I can recognise patterns and likely trends that will not be obvious to many, though I have pointed to the SOCOM escalator and the dirty form McFaul recipe for colour revolution. Notice, lack of engagement of those contexts? Regardless of your projections, the situation as at now is of grave global peril, this is not just a US issue:
at this stage the US faces two options, [a] accept that it has a tainted election similar to 1876 and deal with it through constitutional backstops, or [b] present an unconquered western people with an existential threat. Here, that going forward, elections are fatally compromised and manipulated in service to a radical, Marxist, anti-civilisation misanthropic agenda championed by the power hungry and unreasonable who have already shown their ruthlessness, implacable hostility, corruption, willful guilty mind and deceit. – on 2500 years of history, b is not advisable. A good recent example is when Israel was cornered in May 1967 and again in October 1973. A first example can be seen from the Persian invasions of Greece.
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F/N: U/D to OP, the Ukrainians, giving pause on dismissiveness about leaked excerpts of conference phone calls with Mr Trump. KFkairosfocus
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JVL, for crying out loud, innocent people do their damndest to try to clear their name, they don't go into hiding and refuse to answer questions!bornagain77
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Silver Asiatic: She could just say it wasn’t her – it was fake. Instead, she didn’t say anything – just deleted her own account. I suspect he's tired of all the abusive feedback she's getting from people like you who condemn her without due process and giving her her time in a court of law to defend herself. Shame on you; you are just like the people you criticise. You come to a conclusion before all the evidence has been properly examined in a court. You use and exploit public media to ostracise and intimidate people you disagree with. (This forum is a case in point.). You shout down any contrary evidence. You are the kind of person you claim to object to. You have become your own enemy. Well done.JVL
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JVL accuses me of lying:
I questioned the interpretation (of the Ruby Freeman video). You can’t even honestly represent what I’ve said!!
Yet in post 1746 JVL states,
Show me how you know that video is of ‘Ruby Freeman’ and it was taken from the location you think it was taken from at the time you think it was taken and that it shows what you think it shows. Go on. I’ll wait. https://uncommondescent.com/ud-newswatch-highlights/ud-live-event-from-nov-3-us-election-contd-bbc-yes-the-beeb-on-blms-marxist-founders-we-fought-to-change-history-and-we-won/#comment-721151
Thus clearly JVL was trying to deny the validity of the entire video. Yet, despite clearly denying the validity of the entire video, in 1771 JVL claims that,,,
I never said it (the video) was staged or fake. I am merely asking for some evidence it shows what you think it shows.
and again in 2029 JVL states,
I questioned the interpretation. You can’t even honestly represent what I’ve said!!
And this is the sheer irrationality that we have to deal with. SIGH! But anyways, it is self evidently true that voter fraud was taking place in the video. Thus it is incumbent on whomever denies that voter fraud was taking place right in front of very own eyes to prove that what appears to be taking place right in front of our eyes was not in fact what was taking place. And indeed, as was already pointed out, ‘just so stories’ were offered by Democrats that supposedly ‘explained away’ the voter fraud that was clearly taking place right in front of our eyes in the video. And as was also already pointed out, the slightest scrutiny blew away those flimsy ‘just so’ stories that were offered by Democrats,,,
No, The Georgia Vote-Counting Video Was Not ‘Debunked.’ Not Even Close A Big Tech-backed ‘fact’ ‘checking’ outfit claimed to debunk explosive evidence for Republicans’ claims of significant election problems in Georgia. It didn’t. https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/
So again, the burden is on those who want to try to deny the validity of the video to prove that what we are seeing with our own eyes is not in fact what it readily appears to be. i.e. Voter Fraud! I also note that Democrats have, as far as I know, completely stonewalled having a complete examination of all the machines, thumb drives, and ballots involved in the Ruby Freeman video. In fact, Jovan Pulitzer was recently granted unanimous permission by the Georgia Legislature Judicial subcommittee to look at those Ballots in question but has thus far been stonewalled by 'Georgia officials", i.e. Raffensperger and company! The question naturally arises, “Why?”, “What are they trying to hide?” Funny that JVL does not display the same level hyper-skepticism to this stonewalling by Democrats as he does to the validity of the video itself. One could rightly argue that JVL is being completely blinded by his own personal bias.
“There are none so blind as those who will not see” – John Heywood (c. 1497 – c. 1580) was an English writer known for his plays, poems, and collection of proverbs. According to the ‘Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings’ this proverb “There are none so blind as those who will not see” has been traced back to John Heywood in 1546. It resembles the Biblical verse of Jeremiah 5:21 which is as follows, ‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’.
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Kairosfocus: do YOU realise the utterly out of order, disrespectful projection you just made, and the implications of mirror principle assessment of cognitive dissonance manifested in such an accusatory dismissal? Yes, I do. And I think my accusations are justified. And if you listen to the whole recording of the phone call I think you'll realise that the Georgia officials are dumb struck by the sheer denialism of Donald Trump. They let him rant on and on but even when they do contradict him with evidence he just denies it. The ONLY reason you can possibly accuse me of cognitive dissonance is because you have firmly and completely bought into the Trump voter fraud conspiracy theory. There has been no court case dealing with the issues. The accused fraudsters have not had their chance to defend themselves in a court of law. But yet you still are so convinced that you will by-pass the institutions you feel support your injunctions for right reasoning and such and declare a conclusion. You are EXACTLY the person you argue against. You draw a conclusion before all reasonable and legal processes have been exhausted. You make a decision based on a preheld bias. You do not consider all the data available. You have a lot to answer for.JVL
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You over and over and over again criticise public media and then say that’s how someone should defend themselves? You don’t even make sense.
Perhaps I can help you understand. Do you see what we just showed you with Big Tech Media? They blocked all of the incriminating evidence against Ruby Freeman. Now, do you think they would block all of the exculpatory (lies) that come from the same source? I will assist you with an answer because you don't seem to understand - no. They wouldn't. They're sympathetic to any criminal enterprise that supports their candidate. Has CNN or any major media posted any of these videos which the President of the United States even reviewed and posted? Again - no. The Media are her friends. Get it? She can go there an blabber on and on - they'll give her hours of free air time. They give every crack-pot "fact-checker" immediate access to tell their lies. These "experts" have supposedly "debunked" every claim without ever needing to even investigate it. All she has to do is go crying to the national media about how the bad, white supremacists actually claimed that she cheated and how much that really hurts, and Trump is evil for doing all of this. Instead, she's looking for a lawyer, won't talk, deleted her facebook page. Not one word about why she did what we all can see that she did. She hasn't even denied the facebook or instagram post that has gone around where she (allegedly) celebrates the Biden victory and congratulates her daughter on the scam they accomplished. She could just say it wasn't her - it was fake. Instead, she didn't say anything - just deleted her own account.Silver Asiatic
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JVL: >>why are several (as of now) news sources saying the President is threatening Raffensperger and throwing his weight around?>> - That was to BA77, but is relevant. - This is the same sing-off-the-same-hymn-sheet media that spent the past 4 years pretty nearly in agit prop, shattering their integrity. Please, take the time to scroll up and watch the 1984 movie. Better yet, go read the book. >>what’s the harm in releasing it?>> -- the spin and gaslighting game pivoting on suppressing context and twisting into perceived illegality; precisely what was done with the call to Ukraine that was wrenched into a basis for ill founded impeachment. H'mm, y'know what, I am now going to put up what the Ukrainians have had to say on corrupt entanglement in the Ukraine that should have been properly investigated. -- reading your clip you would never know that the call led with details on evidence on what has gone wrong despite denials, and how the cumulative numbers of questionable ballots dwarf the presented margin. -- notice, I put up the call and gave a fresh clip summary at a time point, on Sat WH was informed 3000 lb of ballots were shredded, which would be more than enough to account for the 4 cases rolled out, 18k - 30k in number. The 18k coming from the call, as counted per magnified slow motion. - but then, I expect the usual baseless, no evidence hyperskeptical dismissiveness at this point, heedless of the peril of the hour. >>Listen to the recording of the call with Trump. Do you realise the lunacy you are supporting? 10 minutes in and he’s already repeating allegations after allegations that have NOT been legally established.>> - do YOU realise the utterly out of order, disrespectful projection you just made, and the implications of mirror principle assessment of cognitive dissonance manifested in such an accusatory dismissal? - there is evidence, which has probative value regardless of the court technicalities games discussed with HeKS and further elaborated with the video just added to OP on the WI case. No, on thousands of years, courts are not final arbiters of truth or warrant and you know it. - the evidence you would sweep away and characterise as lunacy is there, starting with the longstanding failed moral duty challenge and now going to the acts of guilty mind that were discussed at 1900. You and others have never cogently resolved this challenge on public facts:
The Failed Moral Duty Challenge: First, all relevant officials and connected persons have a main duty to ensure integrity of elections, and know or should acknowledge the potential for fraud and what it can mean. [–> almost self-evident] Therefore, neglect on a systemic basis is only partly negligence, it becomes in material part a strong sign of wrongful intent. [–> refusal to do due diligence and known duty are signs of tort] In the case of the US and a relevant party, in Feb 1994, the NYT published a front page, just below fold article [see, 1273 previous thread] on a judge’s reversal of an election outcome and of majority in a legislature in PA, due to fraud connected to a known vulnerable type of ballot and to harvesting, intimidation etc. [–> public fact 1] Ten years later in 2004, The US congress received testimony on fraud in the Ukraine [see, U/D 17, previous thread] that further amplified such techniques. [ –> public fact 2] So, systemic ignorance cannot be responsibly pleaded and indeed is discredited. [–> public duty, the media have a duty of reporting such to the public and of giving a true and fair view of the circumstances] Accordingly there were just on these cases sixteen to twenty six years to purge the said party of such a taint [–> direct implication of the duty and necessarily known fact, with some Arithmetic], but instead this year excuse of a pandemic was taken [–> public fact 3] to multiply opportunity and means for similar fraud. [–> the injection of the destabilising element, here judged on its known likely consequence: [1] effectively uncontrolled mail-in ballots on an industrial scale, [2] 3rd party ballot harvesting, [3] deliberate frustration of effective scrutineering, breaking chains of transparency and control on validity, joined to [4] fraud-conducive election gadgetry as has been demonstrated on videos shown in the OP and recorded based on tests cand competent witness] This is a moral duty demonstration of wrongful intent [–> refusal to do duty, to one’s advantage] and shifts or should shift our common sense evaluation [–> in short, decisive on best explanation] of evidence [affidavits, anomalous patterns, disturbances to counts, frustration of proper scrutineering (ponder barriers erected to block even distant observation as has been circulated by images, not just reports of witnesses), surge in vulnerable ballots, single candidate ballots etc][–> list of evidence] to recognise these as consistent with [–> inferred best explanation] carrying out a morally demonstrated intent. [–> duty failure implies intent in such a case] This obtains whether or not sufficient weight can be amassed to lead courts to vacate suspect ballots [–> anticipates failure of the court system], or whether criminal charges can be brought against leading individuals. [–> given cases as the 30k emails on a server willfully set up outside the government] That common sense issue is also implicated in Federalist 68 [–> historical analysis, to which there has been little or no cogent response], etc so state legislatures may have a duty to act in face of a tainted election. [–> the US Constitutional assignment of responsibility] The implication, no you do not get a second round to try again, but responsible bodies take up from [and remedy] your failure can be taken as a built in deterrent effect. [–> inference, on the nature of the backstops] However moral fibre in our civilisation has long been progressively undermined for generations. [-> I here point to the impacts of the currents of thought over the past 300 or so years, including the rise of amoral, nihilistic philosophies and ideologies, leading to the ongoing holocaust of living posterity in the womb and the utterly corrosive implications of linked mass blood guilt]
- acts of guilty mind further shift the balance of plausibilities and we have a right to draw the chain of inference in 1900:
1] it decisively shifts balance of plausibilities as we have established organised guilt in position of power to impose its will, here following up on failed moral duty implying knowing wrongful intent. 2] It multiplies the credibility of other lines of evidence and testimony, leading to 3] strongly warranted inference that the programme of action that sent out an army of lawyers and activists to set up destabilising, effectively uncontrolled mail-in ballots and associated 3rd party ballot harvesting was a calculated attempt to subvert the will of the American people expressed through lawful voting, on a continent-wide scale. Further, 4] The cover-up should lead to immediate recognition that fraud of industrial scale strongly connected to mail-in ballot schemes is now effectively established through cover-up attempt. Thus, the election is tainted similar to 1876, 1824, 1800 and credibly 1960. Tainted, in such a way that 5] if this is established [cf. HR1], no further elections in the US would be credible. That is, 6] We are at the “long train of abuses and usurpations . . .” threshold discussed in the US DoI. If resort is not now made to the Constitutional backstops, such is causus belli. Accordingly, 7] As of urgency, investigations should be initiated at local and federal level, to address the crime and key people clearly need to go to gaol over this, junior people need to face disciplinary measures. Further, 8] any onward media enabling of fraud through propagation of narrative and agit prop should be taken as showing willful complicity. And, 9] the scope of issues being continent wide, reforms need to be national. Things are so bad, that 10] I think we need to drill down on the issue of names frequency to see if the rot is that deep.
>>I’m listening to the crazy ranting on the call. It’s not just the BBC>> - yes, all you show is that you have rejected the decisive mass of evidence and project irrationality to the despised other. - FYI, a rant, AmHD:
rant (r?nt) v. rant·ed, rant·ing, rants v.intr. 1. To speak or write in an angry or emotionally charged manner; rave. 2. To express at length a complaint or negative opinion: "He could rant on the subject of physician-assisted illness" (Paul Theroux). v.tr. To utter or express by ranting: "Adams's fellow Federalists ranted that he was mentally unfit to be president" (Susan Dunn). n. 1. Angry, emotionally charged, or tediously negative speech or writing: a speech that was more rant than reason. 2. An example of such speech or writing: a rant against the university's policies. 3. Chiefly British Wild or uproarious merriment.
- what was in fact presented was a summary of facts, with numbers, backed by evidence and the reasonable inference that this was a tainted election with fraud credibly sufficient to tilt the outcome in GA specifically. - there was no overwrought tone, the 10 minutes you describe were in a calm tone not shouting or incoherent disjointed confusion. You may have found it tedious or negative but that is because of your own locked in priors and emotions projected to the despised other. - I repeat, at this stage the US faces two options, [a] accept that it has a tainted election similar to 1876 and deal with it through constitutional backstops, or [b] present an unconquered western people with an existential threat. Here, that going forward, elections are fatally compromised and manipulated in service to a radical, Marxist, anti-civilisation misanthropic agenda championed by the power hungry and unreasonable who have already shown their ruthlessness, implacable hostility, corruption, willful guilty mind and deceit. - on 2500 years of history, b is not advisable. A good recent example is when Israel was cornered in May 1967 and again in October 1973. A first example can be seen from the Persian invasions of Greece.kairosfocus
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Another list of the voter fraud allegations by an organization called ‘Got Freedom.’
Evidence of voter, ballot, and election irregularities and lawlessness in the presidential election of November 3, 2020
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1345850159431897089.htmljerry
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Bornagain77: The Ruby Freeman video is unambiguous and show flagrant, in your face, voter fraud. Enough to easily swing Georgia to Trump. And that is not even counting all the other instances of voter fraud in documented in Georgia. If that evidence was levied against your child would you accept it? To deny the Ruby Freeman video was even real, as you initially tried to do, unambiguously shows that you are nothing but a very biased partisan hack who could care less for the truth. I questioned the interpretation. You can't even honestly represent what I've said!! You are clearly in damage control mode. The whole narrative is falling apart so you're getting more and more defensive. Just like The Donald. 56 minutes in, he just cannot accept any result other than that he won. Who does that remind you of?JVL
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No problem SA, I think I'll post the search engine to FB :)bornagain77
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JVL it appears that YOU are the one who is flailing about, i.e. that is "just looney". The Ruby Freeman video is unambiguous and show flagrant, in your face, voter fraud. Enough to easily swing Georgia to Trump. And that is not even counting all the other instances of voter fraud documented in Georgia. To deny the Ruby Freeman video was even real, as you initially tried to do, unambiguously shows that you are nothing but a very biased partisan hack who could care less for the truth. You simply have lost all credibility! election worker Georgia scanned ballots 5 times https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=election+worker+Georgia+scanned+ballots+5+timesbornagain77
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BA77 - thanks! There it is - that whole page of links, videos and commentary is blocked by Google. Incredible.Silver Asiatic
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