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We are clearly in an age of reversion to oligarchic domination and lockout of dissent, so the issue is that of formation of a counter-culture, starting with the life of the mind.

H’mm, as a preliminary, let us look briefly at a refresher on a more useful ideological/political spectrum than the usual LEFT/RIGHT (which has no coherent definition of centre and right, where also Nazism/Fascism is actually of the left . . . contrary to popular notions):

This is necessary because, regrettably, power dominates over essentially anything, especially in a time of deep polarisation. We can map that through the seven mountains/pillars of influence model:

This naturally points to the cliff metaphor and warning:

Let me add, that with our bounded rationality, we need to ponder the limitations on how we think:

For there to be a choice, there has to be sober-minded thinking through of issues in fora that are not unduly censored, by people who rise above small-p party-spiritedness. Or else we turn Mencken’s cynicism into prophecy:

Accordingly, the first substantial issue is inescapable first duties of reason; which also happen to be pivotal to sound framing of law and government as well as opening the door to understanding roots of reality in a world with significantly free, rational, responsible, morally governed creatures — arguably, including us:

FIRST DUTIES OF RESPONSIBLE REASON

We can readily identify at least seven inescapable first duties of reason. “Inescapable,” as they are so antecedent to reasoning that even the objector implicitly appeals to them; i.e. they are self-evident. Namely, duties,

1 – to truth, 

2 – to right reason, 

3 – to prudence, 

4 – to sound conscience, 

5 – to neighbour; so also, 

6 – to fairness and

 7 – justice 

x – etc.

Such built-in . . . thus, universal . . . law is not invented by parliaments, kings or courts, nor can these principles and duties be abolished by such; they are recognised, often implicitly as an indelible part of our evident nature. Hence, “natural law,” coeval with our humanity, famously phrased in terms of “self-evident . . . rights . . . endowed by our Creator” in the US Declaration of Independence, 1776. (Cf. Cicero in De Legibus, c. 50 BC.) Indeed, it is on this framework that we can set out to soundly understand and duly balance rights, freedoms and duties; which is justice, the pivot of law.

The legitimate main task of government, then, is to uphold and defend the civil peace of justice through sound community order reflecting the built in, intelligible law of our nature. Where, as my right implies your duty a true right is a binding moral claim to be respected in life, liberty, honestly acquired property, innocent reputation etc. To so justly claim a right, one must therefore demonstrably be in the right.

Likewise, Aristotle long since anticipated Pilate’s cynical “what is truth?”: truth says of what is, that it is; and of what is not, that it is not. [Metaphysics, 1011b, C4 BC.] Simple in concept, but hard to establish on the ground; hence — in key part — the duties to right reason, prudence, fairness etc. Where, prudence can also be seen via Aristotle’s summary:  “. . . [who aptly] defined prudence as recta ratio agibilium, ‘right reason applied to practice.’ The emphasis on ‘right’ is important . . .  Prudence requires us to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong . . . If we mistake the evil for the good, we are not exercising prudence—in fact, we are showing our lack of it.”  [NB: This implies that through sound reason and balanced, insightful judgement applied to the material evidence, factors, claims and circumstances in a situation (which may often be clouded, contentious and confusing or even willfully distorted by deceivers),  we soundly discern and warrant truth and risks or uncertainties . . . yes, we need to ponder and warrant degrees of risk and uncertainty . . . so we can confidently, soberly act as we are rightly guided. This requires that we act through trained, experienced wisdom that delights in “solid food” which is “for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.” [Heb 5:14.]

And yes, we find here no comfort for those inclined to remain over-long at the milk stage: “everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child” [v. 13]. Indeed, in the Proverbs, the simple youth are counselled to study the proverbs, precisely “to give prudence to the simple” [Prov 1:4.]  

There is no wrong in being young, simple and naive, but this is a mark of baby-hood,  and a healthy child grows beyond that stage in good time. Long delay in immaturity and in struggling to learn and master the simple is not a good sign: “though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food.” [Heb 5:12. It is of course just after this that the author points to the famous six foundational, ABC principles in 6:1 – 2, repentance, faith, baptisms, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead, eternal judgement. This is what the “milk” is. Note, it is led by meta + noia, a profound change in attitude, thought patterns and inclination of life leading to a right-about turn from the wrong, false and foolish to the ways of truth and right in love to God and man.]

This, too, is how prudence becomes “auriga virtutum — the charioteer of the virtues” (as Aquinas put it); the skilled steersman who guides and controls the chariot. Or even, the ship of state (what is implicitly in view in the Proverbs: “[t]he proverbs of Solomon, son of David, king of Israel”, Prov 1:1).

From this, we may also see how the first duties naturally fall into a logical chain in light of the key factors, loving God who is Truth Himself, and loving Neighbour made in God’s image just as we are; with sound conscience as pivot:

[i] truth –> right reason –> prudence, so sound conscience clears for action. Then, through the voice of sound conscience,
[ii] love for neighbour who is as we are requires fairness and justice etc.]

Thus, too, we may compose sound civil law informed by that built-in law of our responsibly, rationally free morally governed nature; from such, we may identify what is unsound or false thus to be reformed or replaced even though enacted under the colour and solemn ceremonies of law.

The first duties, also, are a framework for understanding and articulating the corpus of built-in law of our morally governed nature, antecedent to civil laws and manifest our roots in the Supreme Law-giver, the inherently good, utterly wise and just creator-God, the necessary (so, eternal), maximally great being at the root of reality.

This is where we must begin. Without this, there is no basis for that comity required to have sound academic disciplines, much less general public policy or even current events discussion. The ever-eager Red Guard censors are at our heels.

The case of Mathematics is central.

Mathematics, being best understood as [The study of] the logic of structure and quantity, where certain core intelligible mathematical facts are framework to any possible world (= a sufficiently complete chain of propositions describing a possible state of affairs), and lead to a programme of analysis and elaboration of logic-model worlds that may then apply to relevant situations of interest. For example, per von Neumann:

{} –> 0
{0} –> 1
{0,1} –> 2
. . . .
{0,1,2 . . .) –> w, omega

From reflecting on the principle of distinct identity, we see that for a world W to be distinct from some arbitrarily close neighbour W’, we have some A in W that is not in W’, so

W = {A|~A} and also W = {A|W’}, thence,

we see the partition | is empty, manifesting nullity.

A is a simple and ~A = W’ is a complex, unity.

With distinct unities, we find duality, and already we see that von Neumann’s framework applies to any distinct world.

It is truly universal, i.e. we find the natural counting numbers, N as an abstract structure necessarily present in and framework to any possible world.

From N, we can define additive inverses so for n in N, -n is such that n + (-n) = 0, i.e. we have that vector set where elements have both size and direction in an abstract space, the integers Z. Taking ratios, we have the rationals, Q. Reals bring in transfinite converging sums of rationals without repeating cycles when displayed in place value form, R. From that we go in a second orthogonal spatial direction, to C, using the j* rotating operator: j*x for all x in R defines the imaginary axis by anticlockwise rotation through one right angle and j*j* x is – x so we see j is sqrt – 1.

Beyond we define the hyperreals R* on the reals R being mileposted by N. H = 1/h, where h is smaller than 1/n for any finite n in N, where for any k in N the von Neumann succession continues k+1, k+2 etc, i.e. we cannot exhaust N stepwise. From this h is an infinitesimal hyperreal near 0; H is a transfinite integer hyperreal and we see a connected domain from zero and N,Z,Q,R to the hyper-domain R* such that any r in R may be surrounded by an infinitesimally altered cloud of form r + h, *r*, in effect vector shifting and adding the cloud *0* to r. (This allows us to use Robinson’s tamed infinitesimals and Model Theory etc to view Calculus as an extension of algebra.)

Notice, we have nowhere specified a particular individual world, this holds for any distinct world, for all possible worlds. It is reality-universal and possibility-universal. That is, a core domain of numbers, associated relationships and operations is a body of abstracta framework for any possible world, physical or imaginary. Hence, immediately, some of the universal power of both mathematics and logic. Hence too, we can recognise a category of beings, necessary, world framework entities; abstracta that constrain what is possible, by laying out constraints on possible being.

We can pause to summarise key first principles of right reason:

If we want a bit more on the first triad:

Laws of logic in action as glorified common-sense first principles of right reason

Where, we may ponder Science and linked technology (Computing being in key part a technology of Mathematics, which obviously is not an empirical science but a logic-constrained and guided field of study), as a domain of inductive reason pivoting on inference to best current — hopefully progressive — explanation:

Abductive, inductive reasoning and the inherent provisionality of scientific theorising

These, we must not lose sight of, or all will be lost.

Going forward, that we are morally governed creatures has profound worldview import. For, at least one possible world, which is actualised, has in it such creatures. The root of all reality must be such that such a world is adequately accounted for.

That opens the door to serious consideration of ethical theism, which posits that the explanation for such a world is the inherently good, utterly wise creator God, a necessary [worlds-framework and so too eternal] and maximally great being.

These, we must not lose sight of. END

PS: Eugenics Congress:

Logo, 2nd Int’l Congress, Eugenics Movement, 1921 [HT: Wiki]

U/D1 Jan 12: An adapted Overton Window analysis, applied to the peril of the new Jacobins:

U/D2, Jan 13, the issue of the crooked yardstick:

In that light, consider Plato’s parable of the cave:

Not, as a fallacious cosmology but as a study on how a manipulated public reacts to truth. Ask yourselves, who is running the puppet shadow-show confused for reality and who is running the prison that locks up denizens from discovering the truth for themselves. (Then, ponder the course of current events.)

U/D3, Jan 18: Impact of cumulative evidence, as a part of first principles of reason in an inductive context:

Of chains, ropes and cumulative cases

U/D4 Jan 18, to point to the documentation of the McFaul Colour Revolution programme and the SOCOM Insurgency Escalator:

Where, note from the earlier U-Haul a Riot thread on red guard street theatre operations tied to radical Jacobin networks . . . there is much more behind that:

That is, it seems there is little matter of who is rioting to be addressed.

Where, this summary of points of concern by Navarro is a good place to begin pondering the “baseless” talking point that was used below to personally attack me as poster of the OP and host of the live event tracking threads:

U/D5, Jan 19: It is becoming apparent that as part of reforming thinking we need to re-orient our understanding of war, strategy and associated operations in light of the unlimited scope, full spectrum of force options, social- space- is- the- battlespace evolution of warfare under 4th generation war principles. First, while we may not be interested in war — in a world of ruthless geostrategic operators who lack power to simply steamroller those blocking imposition of their will — the vultures not the eagles — war may well be interested in us.

So, if near-perpetual war is in every sphere and across the spectrum of force options (most often non kinetic) we need to map the social space, so let me repeat the seven mountains/pillars of influence model:

Where, we can map the evolution of war:

In that context, let us note on Unrestricted Warfare, using a summary of the 1999 work by PLA Air Force Colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui:

In 1999, two Chinese colonels wrote a book called Unrestricted Warfare, about warfare in the age of globalization. Their main argument: Warfare in the modern world will no longer be primarily a struggle defined by military means — or even involve the military at all.

They were about a decade and a half before their time.

Colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui argued that war was no longer about “using armed forces to compel the enemy to submit to one’s will” in the classic Clausewitzian sense. Rather, they asserted that war had evolved to “using all means, including armed force or non-armed force, military and non-military, and lethal and non-lethal means to compel the enemy to accept one’s interests.” The barrier between soldiers and civilians would fundamentally be erased, because the battle would be everywhere. The number of new battlefields would be “virtually infinite,” and could include environmental warfare, financial warfare, trade warfare, cultural warfare, and legal warfare, to name just a few. They wrote of assassinating financial speculators to safeguard a nation’s financial security, setting up slush funds to influence opponents’ legislatures and governments, and buying controlling shares of stocks to convert an adversary’s major television and newspapers outlets into tools of media warfare. According to the editor’s note, Qiao argued in a subsequent interview that “the first rule of unrestricted warfare is that there are no rules, with nothing forbidden.” That vision clearly transcends any traditional notions of war.

Unrestricted Warfare was an explicit response to the reigning Western military orthodoxy of the time. The preface is dated January 17, 1999, which the authors note was the eighth anniversary of the outbreak of the 1991 Gulf War. In many ways, their argument refuted many of the Western lessons drawn from that conflict: that wars could be short, sharp, and dominated by high-technology weaponry used with stunning precision to shatter an enemy’s armed forces in hours or days. By 1999, U.S. military thinking was dominated by the revolution in military affairs and network centric-warfare, which relied on advanced technologies to give the United States total battlefield dominance.

But Qiao and Wang argued that the battlefield had fundamentally changed. It was no longer a place where militaries met and fought; instead, society itself was now the battlefield. Future wars would inevitably encompass attacks on all elements of society without limits. Military battles resembling those of 1991 might become secondary elements of conflict — if they even occurred at all.

In short, war that by and large does not SEEM to be war due to lack of naked high kinetic weaponry in action. War that is only visible as war once one recognises the involvement of ruthless domination and subjugation by use of force and deception. Force, that is often masked as legitimate actions (often, by turnabout projections of blame . . . maskirovka); force calibrated to seem legitimate to the superficial onlooker.

Force, that needs not involve state actors or states. Which, gives it its 4th generational character.

War waged by vultures in the shadows, not just obvious ones in the sky.

War, that is only over, when the vultures themselves are checkmated and irrecoverably defeated. With history signposted so they cannot regroup to rebrand and come again, as obviously has happened with Marxism’s shiny new brand, critical theories.

U/D6, Jan 19: Ms Clinton and Ms Pelosi, unsubstantiated accusation of treason, screenshot:

Comments
re 109 and 110 WJM writes at 109, "Well, what you don’t do is reiterate what some judge or court decided on a subject as if that is the same as meeting your duty to personally examine and rationally judge the evidence on its merits." Well, I'm not talking about the elections situation at all. But in general trying to gather facts to assess one's position is necessary, even though moral judgments involve more than just assessing facts. Consulting experts who have more access to detailed data and more expertise is a reasonable part of gathering facts. We all rely on information others have gathered for most of our information. At 110, you write, "The only thing I see non-religious people offering is their own personal preferences." Christians prefer the Christian worldview. Hindu's prefer the Hindu perspective. I don't think believing that one's perspective has an objective basis makes it so, nor does a religious perspective provide any special weight to a moral judgment. As I have said before, I believe there are "many paths up the mountain", and so I don't believe that I have to associate myself with a particular religious tradition in order to validly exercise my human ability to make moral judgments.Viola Lee
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Jerry: Maybe you should remove yourself from the conversation except to ask questions. The example you provide are not ‘leftism.” Well give me a better idea of what is 'leftism' then. Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro and Dan Bongino’s employer, Cumulus Media, has told its on-air personalities to stop suggesting that the election was stolen from President Trump — or face termination “immediately” People have been banned from Uncommon Descent for not agreeing to the party line voraciously enough. Here's a question: if your pastor/minister starting supporting same-sex marriage or gender reassignment surgery what would you do? Would you try and get them replaced? Would you leave that church and look for another which more closely upheld your views? How tolerant are you of dissenting views? If you ran a Christian broadcast station and one of your hosts kept saying that Jesus was not a real person, just a myth, what would you do? (I don't know what the actual reason was for terminating those three employees. If it was for on-air statements then that is completely different than personal statements made off-air. )JVL
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From Scott Adams.
I guess we are adding "questioning an election" to "yelling fire in a crowded theater" as exceptions to free speech. I don't see how that could go wrong.
Emma Kinery Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro and Dan Bongino’s employer, Cumulus Media, has told its on-air personalities to stop suggesting that the election was stolen from President Trump — or face termination “immediately”
What’s next that can’t be said?jerry
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Kairosfocus: I trust this will help you to see the matter more clearly. In my view, it should have been evident that these duties are at work in essentially any act of rationality. It doesn't help at all because you haven't stated your first principles or standards of rationality and how they relate to the issue. You've only drawn the line part way; connect all the dots and make it clear. Leftism, here is the Jacobins and their heirs, which should be obvious from the reference to history of the French Revolution. Kindly, see the OP. And who are their heirs then? The Democrats? The Labour Party? The Lib-Dems? Or anyone who espouses certain views?JVL
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Perhaps ‘leftism’ is winning after all?
Maybe you should remove yourself from the conversation except to ask questions. The example you provide are not ‘leftism.”jerry
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ET: LoL! JVL ignores what I say and prattles on. No one wants to marry their eyeglasses, cauliflower, etc. Obviously you are just an insipid troll. That wasn't really the point though was it? I told you why I am opposed to same sex marriages. You are too stupid to understand what I say and instead just want to say anything. You didn't answer one of my questions though: How does allowing same-sex marriage affect you in any way? Why should you care so much?JVL
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Whether Christians are correct or not in drawing their moral authority from the Bible ... at least they're drawing it from something that objectively exists and have a good argument for accepting and believing in. The only thing I see non-religious people offering is their own personal preferences. BTW, I'm neither Christian or religious.William J Murray
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VL asks:
I agree. What do we do when people who believe strongly in the principles you mention nevertheless disagree strongly about a particular issue?
Well, what you don't do is reiterate what some judge or court decided on a subject as if that is the same as meeting your duty to personally examine and rationally judge the evidence on its merits. See how that works? Perhaps the beginning point here is: where do you think morality comes from? What gives it any weight to authorize action? Can just anyone claim their perspective is "moral" and act under the imprimatur of moral authority? Several people here say things, like "violence is always wrong," when clearly it is not always wrong. Or "cause no harm" without defining what harm means and by what moral authority. If you can't provide, then morality is really just nothing more than dressing up subjective preference and calling ir by another name to give it more weight.William J Murray
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KF writes, " In my view, it should have been evident that these duties are at work in essentially any act of rationality." I agree. What do we do when people who believe strongly in the principles you mention nevertheless disagree strongly about a particular issue? This is the issue you avoid discussing. You make it sound like any two people who adopt the principles you mention will reach the same conclusion, and that doesn't happen.Viola Lee
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JVL: Leftism, here is the Jacobins and their heirs, which should be obvious from the reference to history of the French Revolution. Kindly, see the OP. KFkairosfocus
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VL, kindly see the just above, per fair comment you just showed your inability to recognise the principles and duties at work. KFkairosfocus
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JVL, I note what I said:
I note, first that per Ac 17, the purported Christian beliefs are wrong. [--> truth, right reason, prudence to soundly warrant, with import for neighbour] That said, a wedding venue is not a monopoly on something vital to life or liberty etc [--> an issue of due proportion to response, prudence], that is a subject for moral suasion. [--> Neighbour principle, per Lev 19:15 - 18, in context, but more broadly, right reason and prudence . . . I will comment on such later as time permits] By contrast, [--> contrasting, clarifying case, right reason] the behaviour of tech companies given privileged protection from defamation on grounds of being platforms not publishers and who attain monopoly power on the public square because the public took them at that word [--> truth, fairness, neighbour], who then turn around and abuse power of dominance impose ideological censorship, enabling of slander, one sided enforcement and tortuous interference with contracts etc is a different matter. [--> justice, on community scale on a crucial issue] In the case of the triple hit on Parler this weekend, the matter is especially grave. There is a legitimate state power in the latter case to address monopolies and abuses of regulatory and legal exemptions. [ --> justice, prudence] But at this point, there is good reason to have little confidence in the legislature and judiciary on the matter. [--> truth, prudence, right reason] I suspect some people running the strategic board at present would do well to ponder what would happen were there a reversal of that trend, putting the shoe on the other foot. [--> appeal to strategic principles and to prudence] But again, the issue is not evidence, [--> right reason, prudence] nigh on 5000 comments over two months show that. [--> right reason, truth] The issue is acknowledging and responding to first duties. [--> all seven plus]
I trust this will help you to see the matter more clearly. In my view, it should have been evident that these duties are at work in essentially any act of rationality. KFkairosfocus
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LoL! JVL ignores what I say and prattles on. No one wants to marry their eyeglasses, cauliflower, etc. Obviously you are just an insipid troll. I told you why I am opposed to same sex marriages. You are too stupid to understand what I say and instead just want to say anything.ET
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ET: When same sex marriages can result in children do to a successful mating of the two same-sex partners, those marriages will be OK. Until then it is just a mental illness that should not be enabled. They can adopt just like many heterosexual couples do; some have to. Same-sex couples can also use a surrogate. I think there are even procedures that can combine genetic material from both members of the couple. Same sex marriages and couples are unnatural. So are eye glasses, cauliflowers, automobiles, vaccines, cell phones, breast implants, fillings (in teeth), guns, atomic weapons, writing . . . Why are you so opposed to same-sex marriages? How does it affect you if two men or two women want to marry?JVL
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KF writes, "I will not entertain a distraction of successive tangents." Translation: "I will not discuss how all my philosophy and rhetoric can actually be applied to real-word moral issues."Viola Lee
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Same sex marriage is an oxymoron. Marriage is for having a family- having children. When same sex marriages can result in children do to a successful mating of the two same-sex partners, those marriages will be OK. Until then it is just a mental illness that should not be enabled. Same sex marriages and couples are unnatural.
Let the scientists, engineers and mathematicians do their jobs. They’ve been advancing things pretty well in since the industrial revolution.
Scientists can't even formulate a scientific theory of evolution. Because of their dogma they don't have any idea what determines biological form and they never will until they change.ET
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Jerry: The problem is leftism is objectively false. Otherwise it would have been adopted by conservatives a long time ago. I'm not sure what you mean by 'leftism' but it's pretty clear that a lot of countries have adopted policies that would have been considered quite liberal in the past. Many European countries have national health services which, for most things, require no extra payment by the patient. Many countries have state-sponsored retirement plans. Many nations have laws designed to protect workers and consumers. Many countries have laws which prevent someone being repeatedly tried (the number of times varies) for the same crime. Many countries now allow women and BLACKS the right to vote. Many nations now allow couples to get legally divorced (even if they're Catholic). Many nations now allow women the right to drive a car and run in a marathon (illegal in the US until the 70s). Such laws would have been considered hideously radical and left at certain times. Perhaps 'leftism' is winning after all?JVL
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Kairosfocus: I will not entertain a distraction of successive tangents, I already pointed out enough on what is the case on balance of first duties on your attempted case, scroll up and simply look, please. You pointed to a Bible quote for the interracial couple denied a service at a particular venue. You have not said what first principles are involved. Here's another case that would be interesting to address: gender reassignment surgery. It harms no one, it makes at least one person very happy (most of the time). I don't see the problem. Guessing you will disagree please lay out your first principle reasons clearly and cogently. I even brought out the issue of how prudence leads to the necessary degree of compromise to good order with amelioration of evils until reform becomes possible. But on some questions you do NOT agree to compromises. How do you decide which things you will compromise on? I will not be distracted through successive tangents, and also, there is a real world and for instance I now have to put away breakfast stuff and go to meet a client on a parliamentary issue. Alright, I hope it goes well. Much of what is going on so destructively is due to refusal to follow such duties, even as we cannot but appeal to them to persuade others. I would really like to dig a bit deeper on some of the issues I have brought up. I don't know why you refuse to discus same-sex marriage in terms of what your first principles are? I don't understand your reasons for NOT discussing it.JVL
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Tolerance is only to be extended to truth. Leftism is objectively true, and anything other than leftism is not.
The problem is leftism is objectively false. Otherwise it would have been adopted by conservatives a long time ago. When that becomes obvious through dysfunctional policies, oppression becomes necessary to maintain power. Leftism is about power which is why it always turns on its own. Remember
The Montagnards always turn on the Girondists. Robespierre went to the guillotine
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JVL, I will not entertain a distraction of successive tangents, I already pointed out enough on what is the case on balance of first duties on your attempted case, scroll up and simply look, please. I even brought out the issue of how prudence leads to the necessary degree of compromise to good order with amelioration of evils until reform becomes possible. There is a world of difference between going to another supplier for wedding services and dealing with abusive censorship power acquired through false promises and political exemptions from tort action being abused, for just one example. KF PS: As to answering lists of questions, I have had to be selective and speak to core things and those that have caught my eye as strategic; I have repeatedly noted on such and you will find that that has happened several times. I will not be distracted through successive tangents, and also, there is a real world and for instance I now have to put away breakfast stuff and go to meet a client on a parliamentary issue. You would be well advised to note the answer to Seversky, including the transcript of the key statements that should be allowed to counter the accusation of incitement being obviously used to advance a McFaul colour revolution push by election manipulation and now lawfare. Likewise, see the just above on the first triad of duties. Much of what is going on so destructively is due to refusal to follow such duties, even as we cannot but appeal to them to persuade others.kairosfocus
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F/N: Truth . . . right reason . . . prudence: This first triad of duties is pivotal, having to do with fidelity to and ability to discern and warrant reality in a world of error and worse. Here, the start is, Aristotle Metaphysics, 1011b: truth says of what is, that it is and of what is not that it is not. Here, Wikipedia makes an admission against interest:
Truth is the property of being in accord with fact or reality.[1] In everyday language, truth is typically ascribed to things that aim to represent reality or otherwise correspond to it, such as beliefs, propositions, and declarative sentences.[2] Truth is usually held to be the opposite of falsehood. The concept of truth is discussed and debated in various contexts, including philosophy, art, theology, and science. Most human activities depend upon the concept, where its nature as a concept is assumed rather than being a subject of discussion; these include most of the sciences, law, journalism, and everyday life. Some philosophers view the concept of truth as basic, and unable to be explained in any terms that are more easily understood than the concept of truth itself.[2] Most commonly, truth is viewed as the correspondence of language or thought to a mind-independent world . . . . [The English language term] 'truth' involves both the quality of "faithfulness, fidelity, loyalty, sincerity, veracity",[7] and that of "agreement with fact or reality"
The accident -- or perhaps, providential course -- of history behind our language preserves a key insight. Truth is an act of a volitional being, also implying a virtue involving faithfulness or loyalty to and sincerity concerning reality. reality, being the what is as opposed to what may appear to be the case. Thus, the proverbial oath of the witness to speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. From which we also see that truthfulness is a habit. A civilisation that fails the fidelity to reality test fails. Hence, our troubles as a civilisation. Opposed to truth are error, falsity, deception, even ignorance [which can be induced through dominance of error in our thought]. Accordingly, we come to the conscience-guided practice of duty to right reason and to prudence. Right reason, of course being a practice, hopefully habitual, that pivots on self-evident first duties that start with the principle of distinct identity. A is A, given its core characteristics that mark it apart from what is not A, ~A. The Apostle Paul, cites a didactic example likely to have been commonplace in his time:
1 Cor 14:7 Yet even lifeless things, whether flute or harp, when producing a sound, if they do not produce distinct [musical] tones, how will anyone [listening] know what is piped or played? 8 And if the [war] bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle? [AMP]
With distinct identity in hand, we immediately find as close corollaries, non-contradiction and excluded middle. In reality R, no x is such that x = A AND ~A. Similarly, any y in R = {A|~A} is such that it is A or else ~A, not both and not neither. This is applied in the OP above to draw out how the core of mathematics is framework to any possible world. Which, gives it universality across reality and possibility. Beyond, lie many other principles, which guide reasoning and show its limitations, calling for restraint and discernment. Hence, we come to prudence, aptly marked out by Aristotle, again:
" . . . recta ratio agibilium, ‘right reason applied to practice.’ The emphasis on ‘right’ is important . . . Prudence requires us to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong . . . If we mistake the evil for the good, we are not exercising prudence—in fact, we are showing our lack of it.”
Prudence includes the duty of warrant converting belief into knowledge: knowledge . . . here, in a weak form, common sense . . . is warranted, credibly true (and so, reliable) belief. Here, prudence restrains itself through right reason, to what is warranted, rather than simply taking what one wishes to be so. Of course, warrant exists in a civilisational frame, where most of us cannot warrant technical matters, and so we have to rely on sound effort building a sound body of knowledge. In turn, that tempts too many to corrupt such, substituting manipulative ideology for knowledge. This also becomes a justice issue as responsible warrant is required to indict and convict, or should be required to conclude that someone has failed the character test. Slander does not provide warrant. Further to such, lying is the act of speaking with disregard to truth, in hope of profiting from what is said or suggested being taken as true. Here, this can include strategic omission of clarifying or exculpatory material fact, misleading through half truth. That brings up fact, something reliably known -- or, particularly, observed -- to be true beyond reasonable doubt. The relevance of these to the sort of going over the cliff state of our civilisation, should readily be apparent. Of course, there is a challenge, can we warrant truth claims? that is in part why in the OP mathematics is given as a decisive case in point. Some truths can be warranted to incorrigible certainty. Others, to lesser degrees, down to moral certainty on which it is irresponsible to act as though it were not the case. Other things, such as scientific theories cannot be warranted to even moral certainty, given the pessimistic induction on the history of theories overthrown after long runs of seeming success. These are legitimately knowledge, but in a weaker, quite provisional sense. Where, a false theory can be empirically reliable enough that we can see to moral certainty that it is so-far reliable, reliable enough to trust life and limb to it. We come therefore to concepts of degrees of truth. Absolute truth fulfills the old form of the witnesses' oath, the whole, undiluted truth, in some cases warranted to utter certainty. Subjective truths are truth as perceived and believed, often without working out an explicit apparatus of warrant. They can be fully valid, but we can err. Thus we see objective truth, truth that has been adequately warranted so that it is independent of the perception of any particular mind. So far gone is our civilisation, so far gone are key institutions of influence across the span of the seven mountains or pillars, that these things are actually quite controversial in key circles, especially when they cut across the agendas of dominant factions. In which context, we find the growth of subjectivism, emotivism, relativism. Similarly, we find dismissive terms such as "baseless," "[by inference, empty] allegations," "conspiracy theories," and the like. It stands written, thou shalt not lie. Also, truthing it in love. KFkairosfocus
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Kairosfocus: JVL, I note, first that per Ac 17, the purported Christian beliefs are wrong. That said, a wedding venue is not a monopoly on something vital to life or liberty etc, that is a subject for moral suasion. So, how would you moderate that dispute based on your first principles and good reasoning? Please note: I don't expect you to actually address my questions or Viola Lee's questions (with a name like that you just gotta think they're from the Southern US) as you have studiously avoided doing so for quite a while now. You see, part of our questions come about because you will not or cannot elucidate what your first principles are. I suspect many of them are quite sensible and things we can all agree on. It's bad to murder people? It's bad to torture people? It's bad to exploit other people? It's bad to manipulate other people? It's bad to lie (except about surprises, good surprises that is)? It's bad to impose your viewpoint on others? It's bad to infringe on others' legal rights without due process and for good legal reasons? We should treat others the way we want to be treated? We should leave others alone if they are consenting adults and they are not demonstrably harming anyone else? Let's say we all agree on those principles. We can still come to different conclusions for certain instances. Which is why we keep asking you over and over and over again will you please pick a topic and explain how you would apply your first principles and good reasoning to draw a conclusion? I won't hold by breath.JVL
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Seversky: I agree that freedom of thought and expression should be given the widest possible latitude But no right is untrammeled. If someone is using a megaphone to incite a crown to violence against some of their fellow-citizens then there is at least a case for taking that megaphone away. And you can be punished for shouting fire in a crowded theatre if there is no fire. And you can be sued for slander and libel. In all countries in the world free speech has limits; we would find some limits unreasonable but others make good sense.. As usual, your freedoms end at my nose.JVL
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KF re 92 Awesome!! Regarding Trump re impeachment, 25th Amendment, criminal prosecution , etc. Think Romanovs, Mary Queen of Scott’s and other persons that were threats to the various thrones and ruling parties throughout history. Vividvividbleau
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Q, actually, no, the game of radicals has been summed up: when we are weak, we demand freedom per your values; once we hold power we suppress your freedom per our vision of utopia. This is where reigns of terror so consistently come from. Such is of course directly relevant to prudence, fairness and justice in dealing with neighbour in the first duties, and the propaganda of scapegoating antecedent to censorship [to block effective reply to demonisation] persecution and existential threat by terror pivots on lying, slander (a specific form of lying) and fallacious reasoning. These speak to truth and first principles of right reason. Such suppresses sound conscience also, often by defence mechanisms against cognitive dissonance as has become a term of art. The evasions of the seven duties we have been seeing are signs. I have found an interesting summary and extension of Marcuse's repressive [pseudo-]tolerance in a commentary by Macris:
let’s just summarize the doctrine of repressive tolerance in plain English: Tolerance is only to be extended to truth. Leftism is objectively true, and anything other than leftism is not. Therefore tolerance is only to be extended to leftism. Anyone who disagrees with this has been indoctrinated. To the extent that the majority of people disagree, that means the majority of people are indoctrinated. Since most people are indoctrinated, leftists must break the indoctrination so that they can grasp the truth of leftism. To break the indoctrination, leftists must promote left-wing thought and suppress right-wing thought. Promoting left-wing thought is accomplished by changing “established universes of meaning” and actively presenting “information slanted in the opposite direction,” e.g. by political correctness and propaganda. Suppressing right-wing thought is accomplished by withdrawing the freedom of speech, press, and assembly for anyone who disagrees with leftists on race, gender, religion, armament, public services, social security, or healthcare, e.g. deplatforming us entirely. If necessary to withdraw these freedoms, leftists must operate at such scale that the actions cease to be non-violent and become revolutionary violence. Leftists who use revolutionary violence are not to be condemned by any leftists. In brief, the doctrine holds that left-wing speech, assembly and even violence must be praised and promoted; while right-wing speech, assembly, and especially violence must be condemned, suppressed, and punished. And that doctrine is being implemented 24/7/365 . . . [ See Marcuse here, yes well over 50 years ago]
A money clip from Marcuse is right there in the opening words:
This essay examines the idea of tolerance in our ad-vanced industrial society. The conclusion reached is that the realization of the objective of tolerance would call for intolerance toward prevailing policies, attitudes, opin-ions, and the extension of tolerance to policies, attitudes, and opinions which are outlawed or suppressed. In other words, today tolerance appears again as what it was in its origins, at the beginning of the modem period — a parti-san 1 goal, a subversive liberating notion and practice. Con-versely, what is proclaimed and practiced as tolerance to- day, is in many of its most effective manifestations serving the cause of oppression. The author is fully aware that, at present, no power, no authority, no government exists which would translate lib- erating tolerance into practice, but he believes that it is the task and duty of the intellectual to recall and preserve his-torical possibilities which seem to have become utopian possibilities — that it is his task to break the concreteness of oppression in order to open the mental space in which this society can be recognized as what it is and does.
The underlying cynical slanders and failure of soundness and balance opening the door to misanthropy and the Jacobin terror are obvious. The sheer incompetence of the American elites through want of sound discernment, is striking. A failure of sound understanding of history is clearly part of this, starting with Plato's Ship of State, the Peloponnesian war and failure of Athenian democracy. For the churches, I point yet again to Ac 27 as critique of marches of folly. And more. In both cases, failure at the bar of the seven first duties of reason should be manifest. As a direct result, we are seeing a McFaul colour revolution Pearl Harbor operation of 4th gen war of treachery, and it will take a desperate scramble to set up a Midway. With terrible losses and retreats along the way. But those who are busily running riot on the strategic field at the moment are already far into overstretch; having posed an existential threat. They will be defeated but will wreak havoc and have opened the door to geostrategic disasters. KFkairosfocus
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Sev, kindly note the responses above; slander is a destructive, demonic rhetorical and propaganda device. Censorship, similarly. There is indeed going to be a backlash due to now effectively loss of confidence in the establishment, pretty much across the board. When people in numbers are slandered, blamed and accused without good warrant (which THEY know to be without warrant), then are silenced and further smeared then opened up for persecution . . . no man could buy or sell save he takes the Mark, that is an existential threat. It is unwise to pose existential threats. KF PS: Kindly, explain to me what in this clip from Mr Trump Jan 6 constitutes inciting a crowd to insurrection or coup or even riot -- as opposed to failing to anticipate that a margin of the crowd were open to inducement to riot:
The Speech They Claim Caused an Insurrection The President, before a group described as mostly law-abiding people from all over the country with no plan or desire to cause damage, reiterated his belief that the election was tampered with [for which there is a considerable body of evidence being pushed aside], and said: >>We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our Constitution. Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period. We’ve set it on a much straighter course...>>
Frankly, what I have seen in recent days from those now suddenly crying insurrection etc reeks of turnabout projection; especially by contrast with what went on across the past months. By the mirror principle, that is tantamount to admission to 4th gen war of treachery by McFaul colour revolution. kairosfocus
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Jerry “Freedom is a rarity in history. It is under assault today everywhere.” It’s only just beginning, it’s going to get very ugly for non leftist. Vividvividbleau
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SEV .”If someone is using a megaphone to incite a crown to violence against some of their fellow-citizens then there is at least a case for taking that megaphone away.” Censorship you do like leads to censorship you don’t like. Vividvividbleau
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Seversky, Trammeling freedom of speech is exactly why universities today have the greatest restriction on free speech on the grounds that it might offend or trigger a protected minority. It's exactly the opposite of the Free Speech movement on campuses in the 1960s. Imagine that. -QQuerius
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Kairosfocus/85
By contrast, the behaviour of tech companies given privileged protection from defamation on grounds of being platforms not publishers and who attain monopoly power on the public square because the public took them at that word, who then turn around and abuse power of dominance impose ideological censorship, enabling of slander, one sided enforcement and tortuous interference with contracts etc is a different matter.
I agree that freedom of thought and expression should be given the widest possible latitude But no right is untrammeled. If someone is using a megaphone to incite a crown to violence against some of their fellow-citizens then there is at least a case for taking that megaphone away.Seversky
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