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Stephen Jay Gould’s Contempt for the John Templeton Foundation

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Yesterday Charles Harper issued a press release taking to task Daniel Golden for his piece in the Wall Street Journal in which he suggested that the John Templeton Foundation has been a patron or sponsor of Intelligent Design (for the press release, go here). In that press release, Harper ritualistically underscored just how much money and effort the John Templeton Foundation has spent on critiquing ID. In particular, he noted that

for almost a decade the John Templeton Foundation has been the major supporter of a substantial program at the headquarters of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), one of the chief focus activities of which has been informing the public of the weakness of the ID position on modern evolutionary biology. (see: http://www.aaas.org/spp/dser) This program was founded under the advice and guidance of the prominent evolutionary biologist Francisco Ayala when he was President of the AAAS, and was also supported by Stephen Jay Gould under his Presidency.

For Harper to cite Gould as an ally here is ironic since Gould had nothing but contempt for the John Templeton Foundation. In his book Rocks of Ages, Gould attacks what he calls the “syncretic school,” which embraces “the oldest fallacy of all as a central premise: the claim that science and religion should fuse to one big, happy family, or rather one big pod of peas, where the facts of science reinforce and validate the precepts of religion, and where God shows his hand (and mind) in the workings of nature.” (212)

Worse yet, as far as Gould is concerned, “the spectacular growth and success of science has turned the tables for modern versions of syncretism. Now the conclusions of science must be accepted a priori, and religious interpretations must be finessed and adjusted to match unimpeachable results from the magisterium of natural knowledge! The Big Bang happened, and we must now find God at this tumultuous origin.” (213)

And who is the worst offender here? Who, more than anyone, is responsible for this resurgence in syncretizing science and religion? Read on:

In the summer of 1998, a deluge of media hype enveloped the syncretist position, as though some startingly new and persuasive argument had been formulated, or some equally exciting and transforming discovery had been made. In fact, absolutely nothing of intellectual novelty had been added, as the same bad argments surfaced into a glare of publicity because the J. M. Templeton Foundation, established by its fabulously wealthy eponym to advance the syncretist program under the guise of more general and catholic (small c) discussion about science and religion, garnered a splash of media attention by spending 1.4 million bucks to hold a conference in Berkeley on “science and the spiritual quest.” (214)

Question: Would it help the Templeton Foundation to accept Intelligent Design if a Harvard professor as famous as Stephen Jay Gould could be found to support it?

Follow-up Question: If an equally prominent ID proponent treated the Templeton Foundation with Gould’s contempt, would the Templeton Foundation nonetheless fawn on him and invoke his name to counter less respectable elements in the science-religion dialogue?

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Dan, "Thanks for proving the point that the economy is an example of specified complexity. Intelligent Agents are required to build and develop an economy." You should think through this a bit more... The ecoonomy is by no means designed. No one can argue as such. The economy is an emergent property that arises through the interactions of millions of rational individuals pursuing their own self-interested ends. Smith's "invisible hand" and whatnot. Interestingly, evolution acts in a very fashion, with untold numbers of individuals competing with one another, each pursuing their own selfish reproductive goals.cambion
November 16, 2005
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An atheist simply claims that there exist nothing supernatural in the universe An Atheist is not bound to materialism or naturalism. He can, of course subscribe to either of these philosophies. I frequently have read of references to atheists being materialistic on this site...I was under the impression that you were referring to some sort of greedy worldview...not the actual philosophy of Materialism. I would argue that most Atheists are not Materialists I would also argue that science is better described as Naturalism. Interesting arguments against Materialism geoff, but completely irrelevantpuckSR
November 16, 2005
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Wait...are you referring to Naturalism, Materialism, or Atheism? geoff?puckSR
November 16, 2005
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The number 5 and blue are not materialistic. Hence, the materialist cannot account for these concepts, and others. But they have no choice but to use them because they are real.geoffrobinson
November 16, 2005
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mentok...im not arguing that the word god has common usage You however ..capitalized.. the word God If you are referring to a god, you keep it in the lowercase. If you are referring to the one true God...then you capitalize it. Seriously this is a ridiculous argument over semantics. "friends"...learn about sarcasm Theism is the worship of any god or gods or godessess If you are discussing the existence of a god...that isnt theological? Theology-The rational and systematic study of religion and its influences and of the nature of religious truth In reference to Darwinists. Let me try and explain, since you seem to be quite reactive to my statements. The mythological belief that the stars were holes in the sky was not baseless. It had some decent reasoning behind it. It was wrong, and that is ok, but to refer to a belief as baseless would indicate that it was total and absolute fabrication based on nothing. You should really calm down, and quit trying to assume my position.puckSR
November 16, 2005
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puck you wrote: "3. God is the proper name for the Judeo-Christian god. He is omniscent and omnipotent. Divinity simply refers to any supernatural being that is worshiped." God is not the name for Judeo-Christian God. Etymology of the Word "God" from The Catholic Encyclopedia "The root-meaning of the name (from Gothic root gheu; Sanskrit hub or emu, "to invoke or to sacrifice to") is either "the one invoked" or "the one sacrificed to." From different Indo-Germanic roots (div, "to shine" or "give light"; thes in thessasthai "to implore") come the Indo-Iranian deva, Sanskrit dyaus (gen. divas), Latin deus, Greek theos, Irish and Gaelic dia, all of which are generic names; also Greek Zeus (gen. Dios, Latin Jupiter (jovpater), Old Teutonic Tiu or Tiw (surviving in Tuesday), Latin Janus, Diana, and other proper names of pagan deities. The common name most widely used in Semitic occurs as 'el in Hebrew, 'ilu in Babylonian, 'ilah in Arabic, etc.; and though scholars are not agreed on the point, the root-meaning most probably is "the strong or mighty one." The Jews call God by either Yahweh or some variant of that, and Christians (Trinitarians) call God the Heavenly Father, the Son of God i.e Jesus Christ sometimes called The Logos, and The Holy Spirit. Then you wrote: "Theism does not refer to what is being worshipped, therefore my definition was correct. You should have reread your own link." I disagee and stand by what i wrote. Then you wrote: "5. It is odd that you think that Darwinism is completely without scientific evidence, since many of your “friends” tend to think that it has a great deal of scientific evidence." I don't know who you refer to as my friends who believe that Darwinism has a "great deal of merit". Either way I think for myself. Then you wrote: "You are not simply stating that Darwinist are wrong, you are claiming that they are complete morons at the same time. I never said that. Although I'm beginning to wonder about certain Darwinists when people can't figure out what I said from what I wrote. Then you wrote: "The statement that you have proven Theism is not theological?" You need to understand what the words mean. Theism is belief in God or Gods and theology is about doctrine and philosophy. This point is become tiresome. Then you wrote: "Well i am glad you are well versed on karma, you will have to forgive me, but i assumed that you were a Christian(you constantly refer to God), just as you assumed I was Atheistic/Agnostic(or in the very least anti-design)." The word God is used by english speaking people. In Spanish it's Dios, Latin Deus, Greek Deos, Roman Zeus, and ultimately Deva (sanskrit) is the origin. Also words like Divine come from Deva as well. Although people who promote PIE or the proto-indo-european theory believe that Deva originated from an unknown language which preceded it.mentok
November 16, 2005
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jmcd, Thanks for proving the point that the economy is an example of specified complexity. Intelligent Agents are required to build and develop an economy. Being an economist and money manager, I can assure you that an economy cannot come from nothing. Your example is unimpressive, false and self defeating. DanDan
November 16, 2005
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DaveScot: "I agree [that Theistic Evolution is] scientifically barren but how is it logically inconsistent?" If evolution is "theistic", then by definition, God somehow affects evolutionary processes and outcomes. However, if the associated effects cannot be empirically detected, then theistic evolution is empirically indistinguishable from the negative case, in which God has no bearing on evolution whatsoever ("atheistic evolution"). This renders theistic evolution meaningless. However, TE nevertheless claims logical relevance to the definition of science. This is logically inconsistent. In particular, TE says that there exists a mechanism by which God can affect reality at critical junctures, e.g., fine-tune the cosmos. Such a mechanism generates information regarding (e.g.) universal laws and constants, and by definition, this information is detectable ("undetectable information" is an oxymoron). But then a mechanism exists through which information might be generated in evolutionary contexts. By explicitly denying this - by stating that such information is impossible to acquire and that ID is therefore scientifically vacuous - TE negates its own supporting mechanism and thus renders itself invalid. To escape this conclusion, the proponents of TE would have show why its supporting mechanism can only be divinely exploited at key junctures, conclusively demonstrating that at all other times, the universe is totally deterministic. However, Heisenberg uncertainty renders this impossible.neurode
November 16, 2005
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Alright, so if the Intelligent Agent could be purely natural...then the main difference between ID and current science methodology is that ID accepts the possibility of a supernatural power?puckSR
November 16, 2005
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Mentok, I do not know that i fully agree with you. Evolution is being taught in school. Many children who are taught about evolution do not need to know anything about it to live perfectly healthy lives. They are also taught about Chemistry, Physics, the rest of biology, and mathematics(well they may not need differential equations). Most people will never use any of the knowledge gained from any of these classes again in their lives...well maybe physics, very basic physics. They are taught all of this for the purpose of exposure. The fact that evolutionary theory is meaningless to most people is irrelevant. Most of the information that children learn in grade school is meaningless. I just really do not like this argument for the exclusion of Evolution from curriculum, based on usefulness. Seriously though, isnt your entire argument just a moral version of Pascal's wager?puckSR
November 16, 2005
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Reading some of the viewpoints and comments in this thread - especially #64, I can't help but reflect on a philosophical reason for my disdain of NeoDarwinian dogma. It's something I've mentioned here before - that is that it seems thoroughly untenable to suggest, as Materialistic Reductionism does, that we are nothing more than molecules in motion. Untenable because we seem so hard-wired to seek our meaning and purpose in life. It's as if we come programmed out of the womb this way. It just strikes me that if we are merely the product of natural/physical processes, we wouldn't have the deep longings that we do. It just doesn't add up.Bombadill
November 16, 2005
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"so the Intelligent Agent could be purely natural?" Yup. Nature allows intelligence to exist. We are living proof of it. While it appears that the carbon based life on earth requires intelligent input it does not follow that all causes which exhibit intelligence require intelligence to become corporeal.DaveScot
November 16, 2005
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mentok "No the Intelligent agent could not be a human." At least not one with complex specified information in its genome as that would present a chicken/egg paradox of the highest order!DaveScot
November 16, 2005
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Mentok, are you a christian?Benjii
November 16, 2005
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This thread has become the most lively thread in days. That's awesome.Benjii
November 16, 2005
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puck you wrote: "Absolutey correct Mentok, that is why the inherent Atheism of Darwinism is irrelevent. You argue, however, that Atheism is bad, therefore people should not believe it. Are you honestly suggesting that Atheists should drop the “A” to make the world better? Are you suggesting that it is possible for them to do this?" That wasn't my argument. My argument is that atheism is psychologically unhealthy and that atheists shouldn't try and promote atheism because it's unhealthy. Ardent evolutionists promote evolution for what reason? Is belief in evolution going to make people's lives better? There is no practical gain in promoting evolutionary theory as an infallible truth. The reason that almost all people who do that do so is because they want to destroy people's faith in God. They see themselves as warriors for a good cause, for enlightening the ignorant common folk who believe in fairy tales and who do damage to the world based on fairy tales. That is their motivation in promoting evolution. I have spoken to enough promoters of evolution to know that almost all of them (not all) are inspired by their belief that they should destroy faith in God. Because they are motivated by philosophy and politics they therefore irrationally reject the tenents of ID. They see ID as the enemy, they see ID as a tool of conspiritorial fundamentalists who seek to make everyone throw out their x rated vidoes and wear smocks and eat margarine on white bread. They don't give ID a chance, they reject it a priori as their political enemy. They are irrational.mentok
November 16, 2005
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If you're an atheist than life is nothing but a hodge-podge of random molecules that have come together through time. Your dreams, hopes, visions and so forths are nothing but meaningless fantasies. And when you die, your death is the end of everything. You die and there is nothing left. On earth, all you wish you could do is all the things you never got to achieve. Stinks to be an atheist! No offense intendedBenjii
November 16, 2005
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wait...DaveScot so the Intelligent Agent could be purely natural? Now i am totally lostpuckSR
November 16, 2005
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Well mentok, that was obviously a well thought out reply some errors: 1. Im not an atheist I was simply defending your unchallenged attack on atheism 2. I believe in a Designing God, so why all the quotations? They are not relevant to biological ID 3. God is the proper name for the Judeo-Christian god. He is omniscent and omnipotent. Divinity simply refers to any supernatural being that is worshiped. Theism does not refer to what is being worshipped, therefore my definition was correct. You should have reread your own link. 4. Im sorry i misunderstood your statement about truth=popularity. You are correct, sheer popularity does not make a statement true. Using that logic you are correct to assume that no amount of popularity can grant any validity to an idea. 5. It is odd that you think that Darwinism is completely without scientific evidence, since many of your "friends" tend to think that it has a great deal of scientific evidence. This was, as awkwardly worded as it was, the point i was trying to get across. You are not simply stating that Darwinist are wrong, you are claiming that they are complete morons at the same time. 6. The statement that you have proven Theism is not theological? 7. Well i am glad you are well versed on karma, you will have to forgive me, but i assumed that you were a Christian(you constantly refer to God), just as you assumed I was Atheistic/Agnostic(or in the very least anti-design). Just as a joke(no one take offense) If you want to inspire confidence, give plenty of statistics. It does not matter that they should be accurate, or even intelligible, as long as there is enough of them. -Lewis CarrollpuckSR
November 16, 2005
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mentok "All atheists live in a mindest of knawing despair due to belief that with death comes the end of existence." As an agnostic I consider that to be a possible outcome and it doesn't cause me one iota of despair. Oblivion is bliss. I only have a vague fear of the pain associated with dying. The idea of being dead doesn't bother me at all except for the grief of loved ones I'll be leaving behind.DaveScot
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jcmd & puckSR "ID is simply an inference of design, and ID states that natural processes cannot account for life." The former, at least as far as Dembski and Behe are concerned. ID makes an inference to intelligent agency. It does not characterize the intelligent agent. The intelligent agent can be of perfectly natural origin. If ID claimed only a supernatural agent (i.e. one that violates the laws of physics) then I'd drop it like a hot potato.DaveScot
November 16, 2005
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Wait...DaveScot TE could definately provide for an intelligent direction in the origin of life Go back to your whole cosmological ID argument In cosmological ID, the universe was all setup a long time ago. It still works as a testament to the creator. Therefore, couldnt TE simply be claiming that the physical laws that govern genetics and allow for evolution were all designed by the creator?puckSR
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puck you wrote: "Earlier when i was commenting on Darwinism. The point which i was attempting to make was completely missed. I was simply stating that your characterization of Darwinism as baseless had to be false. There must exist some base for so many people to believe it." Your logic is off. Of course there is a basis for belief in evolution, that wasn't in question. What was in question was your statement: "the idea that evolution is entirely baseless would seem incredibly misleading.There must exist some evidence for evolution if so many people accept it." I argued saying that popularity is not cognate with truth. It is my position and many others that evolution has no credible science to back it up. Therefore it is a baseless theory in my opinion. It has a basis, but that basis is without merit. Then you wrote: "Theism is not a word for the belief in God. Theism is a word for the belief in some form of divinity." See http://www.answers.com/theism&r=67 Then you wrote: "ID has to make some form of comment on theism, otherwise from what i have read it is no different than Darwinism." You misread what I wrote. Theism is not the same as theology. I said ID promotes no theological doctrine because it is a purely empirical method. Of course ID is theistic. Intelligent Design means an Intelligent Designer, it's right there in the title. Umkay? Then you wrote: "I know..I know The Intelligent Agent could be a human. The fact of the matter is that whoever the Intelligent Agent is, he obviously created us, and helped create the Universe. Therefore, he would be god-like at least from our level of understanding. He may not be the Supreme Being, but he is obviously the superior being. He also still takes an active interest in the workings of the Universe, therefore it would be wise to try and get his favor. Therefore, ID is making at least a weak Theological statement." No the Intelligent agent could not be a human. Humans have short life spans and are incapable of creating any form of life with all of the power of technology. ID makes no theological statement. Theology is the study of God and religious truth. ID is solely about science and empiricism. ID aims to prove that the probability of the natural world existing the way it does inconsistent with a purely materialistic and naturalistic explanation. The probabilities are too great. Many of the worlds most prominent scientists agree. Professor Harold Morowitz: "The probability for the chance of formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 to 10-340,000,000. This number is 1 to 10 to the 340 millionth power! The size of this figure is truly staggering, since there is only supposed to be approximately 10-80 (10 to the 80th power) electrons in the whole universe!" Dr. Emile Borel, who discovered the laws of probability: "The occurrence of any event where the chances are beyond one in ten followed by 50 zeros is an event which we can state with certainty will never happen, no matter how much time is allotted and no matter how many conceivable opportunities could exist for the event to take place." Stephen Hawking: "The universe and the Laws of Physics seem to have been specifically designed for us. If any one of about 40 physical qualities had more than slightly different values, life as we know it could not exist: Either atoms would not be stable, or they wouldn't combine into molecules, or the stars wouldn't form heavier elements, or the universe would collapse before life could develop, and so on..." Albert Einstein: "Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble." Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word." Paul Davies (British astrophysicist): "There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming". Paul Davies: "The laws [of physics] ... seem to be the product of exceedingly ingenious design... The universe must have a purpose". Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing." John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in." George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present state of scientific theory." Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine." Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it." Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one.... Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument." Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe, in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no question but that a God will always be needed." Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." Then you wrote: "You missed my point on Christianity…you could substitute any religion that believes in an after-life for Christianity. The point is still valid, they have no interest in making a “Heaven on Earth”. They are simply preparing for the afterlife." You don't know what you are talking about. How much charity work is done by atheists and how much is done by religious people? Almost all religions teach charity and relief work etc as vital components of their doctrine. Then you wrote: "Oh, and as to your concept of corporeal hell, consider this. You are suggesting that your soul simply is simply kicked back to try again. You retain no memory of your past life, and therefore have no better chance of making the right decision. Therefore, you are suggesting that “being good with God” is a matter of chance. If this is the case, why would God bother to send you back at all? Use the same logic you used earlier to dismiss the existence of a spiritual hell, and you will notice it deducts your concept of hell as well." You are not educated on this topic so your comments are coming from a place of speculation. There is an explanation to your comment but I don't want to get into a theological debate with someone who doesn't know what he is debating against. What's the point? But I will give a short summary anyways, but I will not debate the issue with you. The theology of karma and reincarnation teaches that you may forget your past life, but the reason for your not attaining the heavenly realm and being reborn is due to a dysfunction in your ability to make the right choices with your free will. Without free will you would not be an individual person, you would be a robot. It is free will which defines you as a unique person (theologically speaking) as opposed to an automaton. But people can misuse their free will and develop a dysfunctional mentality rooted in their pysche. Through karma a person is healed of self destructive dysfucntional patterns of behavior. For example: If I am callous and throw rocks at people for fun, then by my getting hit with rocks I develop empathy for others and their pain. I become cured of my dysfunctional psyche. That is a simple way to explain karma and reincarnation. Of course it is much more complex and ultimately only God can understand it's intracacies in full.mentok
November 16, 2005
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neurode "logically inconsistent and scientifically barren alternative, Theistic Evolution" I agree with scientifically barren but how is it logically inconsistent? I'm presuming that TE and cosmological ID (the fine tuning argument) are pretty much the same. If they're not the same in your view how are they different? TE seems to be compatible with biological ID in my view. The only thing incompatible with ID is a total lack of intelligent direction in the origin of life.DaveScot
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thanks for the grammar help DaveScot I honestly make more grammatical mistakes when typing on the 'net than I previously thought possible.puckSR
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Wouldnt the concept of rationalization completely reject that Geoff?puckSR
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It is theistic because color recognition is indiciative of consciousness. The color blue has no physical mass, it is conceptual. Just like the number 5 cannot have a weight. Since these concepts reflect metaphysical realities and could not possibly be emergent properties of the physical aparatus... it is safe to conclude that something immaterial and intelligent designed our consciousness. I believe that is expounding upon what geoff wrote.Bombadill
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puckSR "Wow, your an idiot" That should be "you're" not "your", genius. LOLDaveScot
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jcmd "I can no more provide empirical evidence for my core beliefs then a religious person can about their faith in God." Fair enough. I'd have to give the same answer you did if asked the same question.DaveScot
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Wait wait wait geoff This is entirely new to me, how is the concept of color a theistic concept?puckSR
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