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L&FP, 71: The island of function, fitness peak trap

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We have been using a 3-D printer-constructor formalism, and now we can use it to see how hill climbing leads to local trapping.

Again, the core formalism:

Now, let us modify by allowing some sort of local random mutation to d(E) case by case within an n-run, now seen as a generation, so E1 to En are all incrementally different, and in effect are a ring around E in a fitness landscape. From this, we can see a survival filter that on average selects for superior performance. This leads, naturally to hill-climbing, perhaps even to several related peaks in a chain on an island of function. But now, we see:

Algorithmic hill-climbing first requires a hill . . .

Here, we see that hill climbing leads to peak trapping, as at A B or C, any change trend is downhill. Ruggedness of a fitness landscape counts, and not for the notion that hill climbing explains evolutionary advance.

No, it gets more complicated, once we realise that complex, information rich functionally specific organisation is a fine tuning phenomenon. That is, we now have the challenge of island hopping across seas of non function:

So, absent injection of active information . . . contrivance . . . there is a “natural, blind, needle in haystack search”challenge to create novel body plans. Where, if “natural selection” is acceptable, plainly so is “natural . . . search.”

This of course feeds back to getting TO the beaches of an island of function. So, we have the natural search problem in focus, once FSCO/I and fine tuned organisation are recognised.

For this, there has been much distraction and dismissiveness over the years [often, pretending hyperskeptically that FSCO/I is ill conceived], but no cogent answer, nor is there any good reason to believe in a vast continent of incrementally accessible functional forms from a last universal unicellular common ancestral form, traversing the tree of life believed to be ancestrally formed. Indeed, this brings to the surface the systematic pattern of gaps, sudden appearances and disappearances that are the trade secret of paleontology.

So, local trapping and need to arrive at shorelines of function by blind “natural . . . search” are significant challenges. Where, intentional injection of active information by intelligently directed configuration, absent ideological imposition, is a very good explanation for, say, the subtleties of a Dragonfly’s wing, including up to 25% speed improvement from flutter-reducing stigma on the leading edge of the wing . . . as obvious a case of subtle fine tuning as one may wish for:

And, so forth. END

Comments
CR @120, Chuckdarwin
Selection emerges from the interaction between the replicators and the environment with finite resources.
So, natural selection has only a partial role at the onset of life. In the beginning stages, there is only selection in the form of a challenging environment. Random variation painstakingly produces what is in principle viable organisms, and next some environment kills most of it. Only organisms that happened to have the right tools survive. This is widely hailed as a good thing for evolution, many even go so far as to say that it is a ‘creative’ act. I have great difficulty understanding what this appraisal is based on.
CR: … natural selection as an approximate construction, whose substrates are populations of replicators and whose (...) constructor is the environment.
In my view, random variation does all the heavy lifting, and the environment “allows” some of the organisms that random variation painstakingly has managed to come up with to live. IOW the environment does not kill off everything. Well, thank you very much Mr. Environment! That is a big relief. In my view, it is completely wrong to call the environment “the constructor” of organisms in this story. Unlike random variation, it did not produce anything. Not killing off everything is a far cry from being the ‘constructor’ of what you allow to live.
In challenging environments, a vehicle with many functionalities is needed to meet this requirement.
Indeed. A challenging environment kills off just about everything. In my view, the requirements of the environment hamper random variation in its sheer impossible job. The more challenging the environment, [the more natural selection], the more difficult the task of random variation becomes. Conversely, the less natural selection, the easier the task of random variation becomes.
Chuckdarwin: Evolution doesn’t benefit from extinction; competitor organisms benefit in terms of an empty niche.
Suppose a niche is occupied by 4 different species A, B, C, and D. Suppose that due to natural selection only specie A survives and fills the niche. The consequence is that random variation operates only on the genome of specie A, but with quadrupled effort! So, more search space is penetrated WRT specie A. Now I admit that this can turn out to be a good thing for evolution. It could be the case that the genomes of B, C, and D were evolutionary dead-ends anyway, that neither of them contained unique valuable biological information, and that, in short, nothing of importance is lost. And it could also be the case that the surviving specie A turns out to be supremely evolvable and that from specie A many biological novelties ensues. This seems to be what Darwin is hinting at:
… natural selection is daily and hourly scrutinising, throughout the world, the slightest variations; rejecting those that are bad, preserving and adding up all that are good
However, evolution has no foresight, so putting all chips on specie A is a gamble and not a reliable one. In my example, who is to say that the eliminated species B, C, and D are “bad”, and that specie A is “good”, in the context of finding biological information?Origenes
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CR, Chuckdarwin
Selection emerges from the interaction between the replicators and the environment with finite resources.
So, natural selection has only a partial role at the onset of life. In the beginning stages, there is only selection in the form of a challenging environment. Random variation painstakingly produces what is in principle viable organisms, and next some environment kills most of it. Only organisms that happened to have the right tools survive. This is widely hailed as a good thing for evolution, many even go so far as to say that it is a ‘creative’ act. I have great difficulty understanding what this appraisal is based on.
CR: … natural selection as an approximate construction, whose substrates are populations of replicators and whose (...) constructor is the environment.
In my view, random variation does all the heavy lifting, and the environment “allows” some of the organisms that random variation painstakingly has managed to come up with to live. IOW the environment does not kill off everything. Well, thank you very much Mr. Environment! That is a big relief. In my view, it is completely wrong to call the environment “the constructor” of organisms in this story. Unlike random variation, it did not produce anything. Not killing off everything is a far cry from being the ‘constructor’ of what you allow to live.
In challenging environments, a vehicle with many functionalities is needed to meet this requirement.
Indeed. A challenging environment kills off just about everything. In my view, the requirements of the environment hamper random variation in its sheer impossible job. The more challenging the environment, [the more natural selection], the more difficult the task of random variation becomes. Conversely, the less natural selection, the easier the task of random variation becomes.
Chuckdarwin: Evolution doesn’t benefit from extinction; competitor organisms benefit in terms of an empty niche.
Suppose a niche is occupied by 4 different species A, B, C, and D. Suppose that due to natural selection only specie A survives and fills the niche. The consequence is that random variation operates only on the genome of specie A, but with quadrupled effort! So, more search space is penetrated WRT specie A. Now I admit that this can turn out to be a good thing for evolution. It could be the case that the genomes of B, C, and D were evolutionary dead-ends anyway, that neither of them contained unique valuable biological information, and that, in short, nothing of importance is lost. And it could also be the case that the surviving specie A turns out to be supremely evolvable and that from specie A many biological novelties ensues. This seems to be what Darwin is hinting at:
… natural selection is daily and hourly scrutinising, throughout the world, the slightest variations; rejecting those that are bad, preserving and adding up all that are good
However, evolution has no foresight, so putting all chips on specie A is a gamble and not a reliable one. In my example, who is to say that the eliminated species B, C, and D are “bad”, and that specie A is “good”, in the context of finding biological information?
Origenes
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Quite frankly, I don’t believe you’ve read anything by your patron saint [Charles Robert Darwin], either. But then he’s written a lot of embarrassing things as Alan Fox pointed out earlier. I merely offered a more reliable source as a précis of what is in Descent of Man so TL~DR folks can get an idea without relying on Querius' dubious interpretations.
Alan Fox
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Quite frankly, I don’t believe you’ve read anything by your patron saint[Charles Robert Darwin], either. But then he’s written a lot of embarrassing things as Alan Fox pointed out earlier. I merely offered a more reliable source as a précis of what is in Descent of Man so TL~ DR folks can get an idea without relying on Querius' dubious interpretations.
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All of this has been gone over long since.
Unfortunately, scientific research turns up new evidence continually. A science denier's job is never done.Alan Fox
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I see Stephen Meyer has been mentioned. Darwin's Doubt should have been titled "Meyer's Mistakes". https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2014/07/idiot-book-by-stephen-meyer-cant-be.html?m=1 And I'm being generous.Alan Fox
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Kairosfocus: please read on, start from molecular to sub phylum, noting on gaps, sudden appearances and stasis. Can you give me a specific example of a biological island of function or not? You've been championing the concept for years and years. If you can't give an example how do you know they exist?JVL
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JVL, please read on, start from molecular to sub phylum, noting on gaps, sudden appearances and stasis. All of this has been gone over long since. KFkairosfocus
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Chuckdarwin @168,
You don’t have to read Behe’s books when you’ve got a direct quote by him from . . .
I guess you think you save a lot of time by not having to read a book by Behe when you have all those quotes you can mine. Quite frankly, I don't believe you've read anything by your patron saint, either. But then he's written a lot of embarrassing things as Alan Fox pointed out earlier. -QQuerius
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JVL @165,
Origenes: Or maybe you could try to articulate a simple, concise, and accurate definition of Intelligent Design. We can go from there.
Origenes did not post the challenge. You got us confused.
Querius: It does not involve “the assumption that a designer brought all that complexity about” JVL: Well it does though since you have no other evidence that there was a designer around at . . .
No, it doesn’t. You’ve also got ID confused with creationism. They’re not at all the same. No wonder half your comments don’t make any sense. -QQuerius
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Querius/163 The interview was conducted by Peter Robinson of the right leaning Hoover Institute. He has conducted prior softball interviews with Discovery Institute personnel. This is the second or third time that Meyer has been involved. Friendly venue, no pressure, nothing out of context. As Joe Friday used to say, “nothing but the facts.”chuckdarwin
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Querius/163 You don’t have to read Behe’s books when you’ve got a direct quote by him from a softball interview that natural selection results in speciation. Like I said before— crystalline…….chuckdarwin
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More for Jerry to ignore https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/behe-responding-to-the-polar-bears-fat/4530Alan Fox
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Oh, the overwhelming evidence problem all over again.
https://thehumanevolutionblog.com/2019/02/12/behe-polar-bears/Alan Fox
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Origenes: Or maybe you could try to articulate a simple, concise, and accurate definition of Intelligent Design. We can go from there. I did have a go. Or maybe you've forgotten already. Try reading my previous comment again. It does not involve “the assumption that a designer brought all that complexity about” Well it does though since you have no other evidence that there was a designer around at . . . what time exactly? Who did what exactly? You have to make that assumption because you can't do otherwise without other evidence. If you've got some good physical evidence of the purported designer then please let us know.JVL
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JVL @162, Or maybe you could try to articulate a simple, concise, and accurate definition of Intelligent Design. We can go from there. Hint: It does not involve "the assumption that a designer brought all that complexity about" as you wrote in @158 and then subsequently denied in @162. LOL -QQuerius
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Jerry @161, Having read Michael Behe's books, it quickly becomes apparent that the trolls and sock puppets here have not! Seems like all they do is occasionally look at a link to some random debunking website for a plausible but completely misinformed opinion. -QQuerius
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Querius: ID takes no position on the designer. Try again. I didn't say it did. Perhaps you should pay more attention. But obviously, cluelessness is no impediment to Darwin trolls and sock puppets spreading their ignorance on the subject as widely as possible. Amusing that your latest attack criteria is your perception that those who disagree with you don't seem to be interested in specifying your position. Perhaps you'd like to specify your position and then let us ask questions in case any of your statements aren't completely clear. Meanwhile Jerry continues to avoid explaining his stated position that islands of function are fundamental concepts. You'd think someone who complains that few people can be bothered to understand the real concepts would want to explain them to someone who specifically asks. But maybe it's not about actually having a dialogue or explaining positions. Maybe it's about something else.JVL
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Too many links to choose from.
Oh, the overwhelming evidence problem all over again. What a fantastic endorsement of Behe by our resident fount of evidence and logic.jerry
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JVL @159,
It’s not really up to us to define ID is it?
Oh, so you identify as a Darwinist troll or sock puppet? No, I don't think you can. ID takes no position on the designer. Try again. But obviously, cluelessness is no impediment to Darwin trolls and sock puppets spreading their ignorance on the subject as widely as possible. -QQuerius
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Hnorman @42,
Dawkins’ weasel simulation is still relevant because he gave us a very strong analogy as to what natural selection needs to be able to do to have creative power. It needs to be able to weed out things that don’t conform to a complex future goal.
Exactly. According to doctrinal Darwinism, there is NO goal. Not “Methinks it is like a weasel,” nor “To be or not to be, that is the question,” nor anything else. Whatever survives . . . survives, which is why Darwinism has such an abysmal record of accurately predicting anything with any reliability. It also explains why hardly a week goes by without some newly published paper reports a discovery that threatens to "rewrite what we know about evolution." -QQuerius
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Querius: And the Darwinian trolls and their sock puppets STILL cannot provide a simple, concise, and accurate definition of the subject of their attacks, Intelligent Design. It's not really up to us to define ID is it? This blog has a definition in the About section (as I recall). I've always thought that ID was the assertion that, considering the complexity of existing life forms, the assumption that a designer brought all that complexity about is a better explanation than unguided natural processes especially given our experience that functionally complex structures seem to always be the product of an intelligence. But that's just me.JVL
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Chuckdarwin @136, 140,
Evolution doesn’t benefit from extinction; competitor organisms benefit in terms of an empty niche.
Are you joking? How do you think niches become empty according to doctrinal Darwinism? And do competitor organisms actually need a niche to be empty according to doctrinal Darwinism? Obviously, you have no idea of what Michael Behe actually wrote. And what’s a simple, concise, and accurate definition of Intelligent Design? -QQuerius
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...brown to polar bear speciation is one of the best understood examples of speciation studied...
Nathan Lents and others had a field day with Behe over this. Too many links to choose from.Alan Fox
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Asauber @133,
What’s the Selection criteria, and where is it accessed, and did Nature adhere to the criteria when the selection was made? Demonstrate.
As we all know, selection criteria can only be demonstrated in retrospective. The three gods-of-the-gaps of Darwinism are then typically invoked: MUSTA, MIGHTA, and EMERGED. LOL -QQuerius
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...brown to polar bear speciation is one of the best understood examples of speciation studied...
Nathan Lents and others had a field fay with Behe over this.Alan Fox
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Jerry @130,
It is a tautology and some give it magical powers when it is just what happens. But no one understands it because they miss what it is.
Yes, I agree. It’s more like the survival of the luckiest. Or more cynically, the survival of the survivors. Obviously, when the environment changes dramatically, organisms either adapt (epigenetics), migrate, or die, but this is not evolution. As one science fiction writer proposed, organisms are bred for luck! Maybe those "luck" genes are preserved in “junk DNA.” LOL -QQuerius
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Sandy @126,
99% extincted species (like 99% identical DNA with chimp, like 99% consensus, etc.)it’s a lie . Check how many species are in fossil strata, how many are still living today even if “experts” are giving different names for the same species living today that are found in fossil strata.
Good point! I’ve noticed that too. Another thing that’s often missing is just how many modern-looking plants and animals are found in the same fossil strata as their supposedly less-evolved ancestors. -QQuerius
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In @118, we read
Differences in “body plans” can be seen as changes in growth inhibitor and promotor <sic> concentrations in critical regions and at critical times within the developing embryo.
Or, just as unsupported by any operationally relevant data, differences in “body plans” can be seen as the inhibitors and promoters of the Easter bunny or other science fantasy. So what was inhibited in the “body plan” of a sea star that resulted in the “body plan” a chihuahua? And the Darwinian trolls and their sock puppets STILL cannot provide a simple, concise, and accurate definition of the subject of their attacks, Intelligent Design. LOL -QQuerius
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As Alan Fox happily provided us with a link in @117 to one of Charles Darwin’s more egregious examples of racism, here’s a quote (with emphasis added) that I’d like to see the Darwin trolls and sock puppets finally repudiate:
With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man.
Oh, lovely! Do these weak members of society now live on the streets as homeless people in your opinion? Is their skin color adapted to a more primitive environment? Please, do enlighten us. -QQuerius
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