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L&FP, 71: The island of function, fitness peak trap

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We have been using a 3-D printer-constructor formalism, and now we can use it to see how hill climbing leads to local trapping.

Again, the core formalism:

Now, let us modify by allowing some sort of local random mutation to d(E) case by case within an n-run, now seen as a generation, so E1 to En are all incrementally different, and in effect are a ring around E in a fitness landscape. From this, we can see a survival filter that on average selects for superior performance. This leads, naturally to hill-climbing, perhaps even to several related peaks in a chain on an island of function. But now, we see:

Algorithmic hill-climbing first requires a hill . . .

Here, we see that hill climbing leads to peak trapping, as at A B or C, any change trend is downhill. Ruggedness of a fitness landscape counts, and not for the notion that hill climbing explains evolutionary advance.

No, it gets more complicated, once we realise that complex, information rich functionally specific organisation is a fine tuning phenomenon. That is, we now have the challenge of island hopping across seas of non function:

So, absent injection of active information . . . contrivance . . . there is a “natural, blind, needle in haystack search”challenge to create novel body plans. Where, if “natural selection” is acceptable, plainly so is “natural . . . search.”

This of course feeds back to getting TO the beaches of an island of function. So, we have the natural search problem in focus, once FSCO/I and fine tuned organisation are recognised.

For this, there has been much distraction and dismissiveness over the years [often, pretending hyperskeptically that FSCO/I is ill conceived], but no cogent answer, nor is there any good reason to believe in a vast continent of incrementally accessible functional forms from a last universal unicellular common ancestral form, traversing the tree of life believed to be ancestrally formed. Indeed, this brings to the surface the systematic pattern of gaps, sudden appearances and disappearances that are the trade secret of paleontology.

So, local trapping and need to arrive at shorelines of function by blind “natural . . . search” are significant challenges. Where, intentional injection of active information by intelligently directed configuration, absent ideological imposition, is a very good explanation for, say, the subtleties of a Dragonfly’s wing, including up to 25% speed improvement from flutter-reducing stigma on the leading edge of the wing . . . as obvious a case of subtle fine tuning as one may wish for:

And, so forth. END

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Kairosfocus: Fine tuning with zones of adequate function in the configuration space of clumped or scattered possibilities for such parts, merits the description, islands of function. Please give a biologically focused definition of islands of function and provide a couple of biological examples.JVL
April 7, 2023
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...there is some mysterious superpower that creates novel body plans out of the info source, incremental lucky noise.
There does seem to be some connection between how embryological development proceeds and the rules of topology. Differences in "body plans" can be seen as changes in growth inhibitor and promotor concentrations in critical regions and at critical times within the developing embryo.Alan Fox
April 6, 2023
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When are you going to admit to the racism implicit in Darwin’s theory?
Implicit? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Descent_of_Man,_and_Selection_in_Relation_to_Sex For us TL~DR.Alan Fox
April 6, 2023
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Jerry, "natural selection/survival of the fittest" readily gets into tautologies similar to the Gostak distims the Doshes, a notorious Sci Fi tale. Many times, others and even the undersigned have pointed out the framework, but of course the rhetorical pretence is that there is some mysterious superpower that creates novel body plans out of the info source, incremental lucky noise. I summarise, noting the predictable zero concessions policy (as seen above as objectors dissemble about the force of Lehninger et al who emphatically brought out the coded info in DNA, even printing a side by side image of DNA and a Cuneiform stele as parallel cases of coded textual information):
chance variation [CV] + differential reproductive success [DRS] --> Descent with unlimited modification [DWUM] DWUM + geologic time [GT] --> Branching tree body plan evolution [BTME] BTME + GT --> world of life, fossil and living [WoL]
Implicit in this is the fitness landscape framework, which leads to peak trapping as noted in OP. Of course, DRS is the operational description of what is too often reified as natural selection. Further, the indoctrinated in the above dogmas of evolutionary materialism and/or fellow travellers will predictably refuse to acknowledge the massively evident fact that from cell based life to us, life forms exhibit multiple integrated systems and networks involving complex, functionally specific, information-rich organisation and thus associated information. This directly requires many correct and well matched components, correctly arranged and oriented, with correct coupling to achieve relevant function. Even text in objecting comments is an example of such FSCO/I, much less cell based life. Such further implies fine tuning to get such things to work. Fine tuning with zones of adequate function in the configuration space of clumped or scattered possibilities for such parts, merits the description, islands of function. Deeply isolated in the configuration spaces. Where, as the OP shows using the 3-DPC as a formalism, compact description d(E) is informationally equivalent to E and provides a metric of the K-complexity, i.e. information quantity. Beyond 500 - 1,000 bits, the sol system or observed cosmos scale resources cannot plausibly rise above negligible blind watchmaker natural search by random walk. In this context, it is obvious that a means of adaptation to niches in islands of function has been grossly, fallaciously extrapolated into a mechanism presented as explaining body plans. And, such has been institutionally imposed, too often, ruthlessly, as a reigning orthodoxy. The refusal to acknowledge the relevance of Orgel-Wicken FSCO/I, therefore, is a back handed admission of the cogency of the point. KFkairosfocus
April 6, 2023
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Up late tonight. Just get back from your Passover dinner?
I'm on Central European Time, seven hours ahead if the time displayed at UD. There will be an Easter celebration this weekend in our village that I'll be attending. The highlight will be "omelettes de Pâques", some flavoured with wild asparagus followed by sweet ones with eau de vie. Then there'll be dancing and worse!Alan Fox
April 6, 2023
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ChuckDarwin @84,
Second, your characterization of evolutionary theory as “infallible, racist, colonialist and genocidal” is a complete overreach. Evolutionary theory is not a prescriptive public policy as you chose to characterize it; it is a scientific theory. Nothing more, nothing less…….
Except for all that eugenics stuff that your patron saint wrote in The Descent of Man and even featured in the extended title of his other book, “On the Origin of the Species By Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of the Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Yeah, some scientific theory all right. Not to mention the Darwin-encouraged German genocide of Africans in Namibia, the massacres of aboriginal people in Australia, the apparently ongoing Canadian genocide against indigenous peoples, and many others. When are you going to admit to the racism implicit in Darwin's theory? -QQuerius
April 6, 2023
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Gee Jerry, why are you still avoiding answering my questions about islands of function? For someone who says no one is trying to understand the real issues and since you said islands of functions were important then why are you not trying to explain them to me?JVL
April 6, 2023
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Alan, Up late tonight. Just get back from your Passover dinner?jerry
April 6, 2023
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Origenes: Sure. And thanks to Dr. James Tour we now know that it was all a bunch of nonsense. So, you do admit that tentative explanations have been presented to you? If you are always just going to believe Dr Tour over anyone else then stop asking for anyone else to come up with another explanation. Stop pretending that you want to have a discussion. Stop playing whatever game you are playing. If a YouTube video is your idea of science then just stop.JVL
April 6, 2023
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JVL
People have posted many, many, many times about such things.
Sure. And thanks to Dr. James Tour we now know that it was all a bunch of nonsense. See e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKLgQzWhO4QOrigenes
April 6, 2023
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It was an absolute massacre.
Oh, I don't know, Upright Biped and BA77 were quite tenacious for a while.Alan Fox
April 6, 2023
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Origenes: Unfortunately, there are no explanations whatsoever coming from your position, not even tentative ones. That is just not true. People have posted many, many, many times about such things. If you're going to just ignore information that is given to you then stop requesting it.JVL
April 6, 2023
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JVL on OOL:
... there are (tentative) explanations ...
Unfortunately, there are no explanations whatsoever coming from your position, not even tentative ones. BTW you just missed out on a discussion about RNA-world. It was an absolute massacre. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/a-review-of-nicholas-spencers-magisteria-the-entangled-histories-of-science-and-religion/#comment-779307Origenes
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"the Behe, Meyers and Maddox discussion" Thanks, for the link, Jerry. That was a good listen. Andrewasauber
April 6, 2023
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Asauber: Evolution has problems before we even go back to OOL… I know you think so. And you disagree with the consensus. That's fine. As long as you don't deny there is research, there are (tentative) explanations, work is being done, no one is avoiding the issue. Can you at least do those things?JVL
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Jerry: From reading the comments of the anti ID people here, it is clear that they do not understand what they are believing. They never propose any evidence for their beliefs when the ID people are constantly providing evidence and logic for their beliefs. Okay, then help me understand the evidence for islands of function. Define them for me in a pertinent biological context and give me some clear examples.JVL
April 6, 2023
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A couple of months ago I proposed a discussion of just what natural selection is. See https://uncommondescent.com/origin-of-life/paul-davies-on-the-gap-between-life-and-non-life/#comment-775881 No one was interested as people continually discuss Evolution where different states end up being stable without any understanding of just what that means or how they got there. The obvious conclusion is that don’t care. People just want to rant, make disparaging comments or pronounce something else irrelevant.jerry
April 6, 2023
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Jerry/100 Thanks….chuckdarwin
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JVL, Evolution has problems before we even go back to OOL... Andrewasauber
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Do you have a link to the Behe, Meyers and Maddox discussion?
https://www.hoover.org/research/design-behe-lennox-and-meyer-evidence-creator There is a transcript there if one doesn’t want to listen.jerry
April 6, 2023
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Seversky/92 or perhaps The Island of Dr. Moreau--either one seems perfect......chuckdarwin
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If anyone is interested and from past comments here, no one seems to be, the basis for naturalized Evolution was explained here over 16-17 years ago by Allen MacNeill. Allen was essentially a proponent of punctuated equilibrium and in the course of following up on his reading recommendations I learned what that meant. It is not what nearly everyone thinks it means. From reading the comments of the anti ID people here, it is clear that they do not understand what they are believing. They never propose any evidence for their beliefs when the ID people are constantly providing evidence and logic for their beliefs. Aside: All the issues of Evolution could be settled with the right research project but no one is interested. But even if Evolution is based on naturalized processes, that in no way invalidates ID. Aside2: Separating Evolution from OOL is a bogus issue. Darwin did it because he had no idea what life is or consisted of. But both had to go through a very similar process with probably thousands if not millions of steps. It is just that the natural Evolution adherents propose that all of the steps in Evolution are made of life and non life changes. While OOL is based strictly on non life changes. So separating them is a little arbitrary.jerry
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Asauber: Well… the reason Evolution doesn’t address how life arose is because it can’t. It can’t even explain the biology of right now. It’s a fairy story for atheists and similar lost sheep. But biology researchers ARE addressing the question of how life arose. They are doing work, They are trying to find out. What is your point? That one branch of biology isn't answering the questions from another branch of biology? Really? Does that even make sense? When you, yourself, won't commit on who the designer was from an ID point of view. Perhaps you'd like to provide a clearer picture of when design was implemented. At least. Can you do that?JVL
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"how life arose" Well... the reason Evolution doesn't address how life arose is because it can't. It can't even explain the biology of right now. It's a fairy story for atheists and similar lost sheep. Andrewasauber
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Relatd: A lot of time and money is being spent on Origin of Life research. I’m not behind it. But the research exists, the work is being done. BUT, again, how the first 'species' arose doesn't tell you how the others were derived from it. ID, as science, does not identify a designer but that is what the word Intelligent in ID points to. Of course, aliens is a poorly though through idea, since the next question is: So who made the aliens? I agree. But, again, ID tends to support a double standard: ID doesn't have to specify who created life but unguided evolution does have to specify how life arose or the whole idea is bogus. That's disingenuous. You're asking for more that you can and are willing to provide.JVL
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JVL at 93, A lot of time and money is being spent on Origin of Life research. I'm not behind it. ID, as science, does not identify a designer but that is what the word Intelligent in ID points to. Of course, aliens is a poorly though through idea, since the next question is: So who made the aliens?relatd
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Realtd: So, a running automobile engine that can upgrade itself was just found in a field somewhere? What a strange thing to say. ID proponents continually make the claim that ID has no opinion on who the designer is/was (when clearly God vs Aliens is hugely different and has massive implications as far as when and how design was implemented) but they keep insisting that a theory which addresses how new species arise from existing species HAS TO address how life arose. A bit of a double standard surely.JVL
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I wonder if the island archipelago of the Republic of San Serriffe is one of the "islands of function" ?Seversky
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"With regard to evolution, how life arose is irrelevant." So, a running automobile engine that can upgrade itself was just found in a field somewhere?relatd
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Hey Jerry. How come you haven't answered my questions about islands of function? You did say they were important so I asked you to define the term (in a useful biological context I hope) and give an example. For some reason you have avoided addressing those questions. I'd love it if Kairosfocus answered the same questions. I'm particularly interested in an example of a biological island of function. There is no basis for what is being taught. That is obvious. Strange you should say that. When I look at an Evolution textbook I find pages and pages and pages of references to research and publications backing up what is being said. Now, perhaps, you'd like to address all those references and show why all of them are inaccurate or fallacious. Would you like to do that?JVL
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