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L&FP, 71: The island of function, fitness peak trap

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We have been using a 3-D printer-constructor formalism, and now we can use it to see how hill climbing leads to local trapping.

Again, the core formalism:

Now, let us modify by allowing some sort of local random mutation to d(E) case by case within an n-run, now seen as a generation, so E1 to En are all incrementally different, and in effect are a ring around E in a fitness landscape. From this, we can see a survival filter that on average selects for superior performance. This leads, naturally to hill-climbing, perhaps even to several related peaks in a chain on an island of function. But now, we see:

Algorithmic hill-climbing first requires a hill . . .

Here, we see that hill climbing leads to peak trapping, as at A B or C, any change trend is downhill. Ruggedness of a fitness landscape counts, and not for the notion that hill climbing explains evolutionary advance.

No, it gets more complicated, once we realise that complex, information rich functionally specific organisation is a fine tuning phenomenon. That is, we now have the challenge of island hopping across seas of non function:

So, absent injection of active information . . . contrivance . . . there is a “natural, blind, needle in haystack search”challenge to create novel body plans. Where, if “natural selection” is acceptable, plainly so is “natural . . . search.”

This of course feeds back to getting TO the beaches of an island of function. So, we have the natural search problem in focus, once FSCO/I and fine tuned organisation are recognised.

For this, there has been much distraction and dismissiveness over the years [often, pretending hyperskeptically that FSCO/I is ill conceived], but no cogent answer, nor is there any good reason to believe in a vast continent of incrementally accessible functional forms from a last universal unicellular common ancestral form, traversing the tree of life believed to be ancestrally formed. Indeed, this brings to the surface the systematic pattern of gaps, sudden appearances and disappearances that are the trade secret of paleontology.

So, local trapping and need to arrive at shorelines of function by blind “natural . . . search” are significant challenges. Where, intentional injection of active information by intelligently directed configuration, absent ideological imposition, is a very good explanation for, say, the subtleties of a Dragonfly’s wing, including up to 25% speed improvement from flutter-reducing stigma on the leading edge of the wing . . . as obvious a case of subtle fine tuning as one may wish for:

And, so forth. END

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FP, again, ducking, start from a Darwin pond or the like and get around the fine tuning of complex, configuration based function. The insubstantiality of your dismissiveness speaks volumes. KFkairosfocus
April 4, 2023
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Needle in a haystack, FSCO/I and islands of function are all based on mischaracterizations of how evolution works. GIGO.Ford Prefect
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AF, first, we start in a darwin pond or the like, and you have no viable path to complex function, this extends to origin of body plans. The telling sign is we do not see the linked massive documentation and Nobel Prizes. Tour is right. KFkairosfocus
April 4, 2023
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"Uncommon Descent, its history and evolution, fascinates me from a sociological perspective." AF, Ah. Well, you also like to participate. Obviously. Do you think you are conducting an experiment with your stinky cheese? Andrewasauber
April 4, 2023
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FSCO/I and “islands of function” are essentially variations on the Hoyle’s Fallacy theme…
Needle in a haystack, too.Alan Fox
April 4, 2023
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It also seems to me that FSCO/I and "islands of function" are essentially variations on the Hoyle's Fallacy theme...Seversky
April 4, 2023
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Does that mean you’re going to spend your days on something else you aren’t interested in instead?
Uncommon Descent, its history and evolution, fascinates me from a sociological perspective.Alan Fox
April 4, 2023
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It’s real enough…… :-)chuckdarwin
April 4, 2023
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Testing, testing, testing ... How do you get a dead horse to an island of function? You're going to need a pretty big canoe I'd have thought. Knowledge is subjective in that it requires the existence of a "knower", otherwise we're talking about "information" or "data". Although this is mostly a question of semantics. And is the surfboard real?Seversky
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KF/10 "CD, the challenge is to get to shorelines of function. KF" I don't know about anyone else, but I'm already there, at the beach on the island of function. Surf's up...chuckdarwin
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"I can foresee an even more noticeable waning of interest in ID." AF, Does that mean you're going to spend your days on something else you aren't interested in instead? Andrewasauber
April 4, 2023
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with the chance of stumbling on novel functionality.
Obviously way behind on what’s behind what he believes. This comment alone points to ignorance. First, what the islands of functionality actually means as one stupid comment after the other gets made. Second, what’s behind naturalized Evolution. On the latter, Alan Fox just demonstrated he is completely unaware of the theory for naturalized Evolution. Hint: it’s islands of function. And the question always has been whether these islands are attainable. How do I know of the ignorance? By the comment on gene duplication. An incredibly stupid comment. Aside: neither side of the debate know what they are talking about. Aside2: We also get nonsense comments on natural selection illustrating commenters haven’t a clue what they are talking about.jerry
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@KF Evolution is not random. Mutations are random to any problem to be solved. Active information can be more fundamentally be expressed a information that plays a causal role in being retained when embedded in a storage medium. Knowledge is objective. It can exist and grow outside knowing subjects. living things are vehicles for genes, which are replicators. Natural selection prefers genes that make their way into the next generation. This does not necessary mean the vehicle (living thing) cannot become less fit in the process. Again, this is part of von-Neumann's replicator-vehicle model of replication. You know, the thing you keep reminding us of. Apparently, living things are von-Neumann's replicators, but only when it's convenient for you? It has consequences, except when it doesn't. That is to say when the consequences of it having consequences suit your purpose.critical rationalist
April 4, 2023
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I used to enjoy Denyse's eclectic science news posts. They were often how I would first hear of new developments. Eric was quite good in following that tradition. If all UD is going to have as new OPs is L & FPs from KF, I can foresee an even more noticeable waning of interest in ID.Alan Fox
April 4, 2023
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And what has happened to Eric Hedin/Caspian/News? From posting OPs at least daily to nothing since 23rd March. Are you OK, Eric?Alan Fox
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The main issue in the Evolution debate has always been the origin of proteins.
Gene duplication happens. A lot. Whole genome duplications even. Duplication introduces redundancy. An extra copy of a gene, being redundant, is not under purifying selection, allowing neutral mutations to accrue with the chance of stumbling on novel functionality.Alan Fox
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...the challenge is to get to shorelines of function.
The real challenge is to work out what KF is thinking of. What is analogous to a "shoreline" in evolutionary biology. Anyone have a clue?Alan Fox
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Good grief, by the way. ;) Set up a poor analogy as a straw-man and attack! The niche environment is not a fixed landscape. Aspects of the niche can change slowly, rapidly, instantaneously.Alan Fox
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L & FP? What do the letters stand for.Alan Fox
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CD, the challenge is to get to shorelines of function. KFkairosfocus
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FP is one of a circle of personas tracing to a common email; I note this because of his doubling down on snideness despite warnings in previous threads. It is thus, sadly, unsurprising to see personalities and mocking dismissiveness in reaction to something as commonplace as that you had better put together your car transmission parts correctly or it will not work. Similarly, arbitrary random chains of ASCII characters vastly outnumber those that make grammatically correct meaningful English text or those that with slight correction would do so. The same, for computer software. The same for DNA, which expresses coded algorithmic genetic information, and can be repurposed for archival store [including a documented case of 16 GB for Wikipedia's content in English]. These are examples, of course, of the fine tuning required to set systems to operating points. More to the point, the OP above expresses an operational-in-principle process by which we can come to understand such fine tuning and related phenomena such as peak trapping. None of these are incoherent or ill founded, just, they do not feed into the dominant, too often domineering evolutionary materialistic scientism narrative and/or those of its fellow travellers. Fine tuning in a configuration space [so, islands of function amidst seas of non function as is illustrated in the OP] is real, is a common place and obviously runs counter to a preferred narrative. Notice, dismissiveness not substantial correction on demonstration of continents of incrementally accessible, complex function. KFkairosfocus
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Our daughter was conceived on the island of function. After, and maybe during, several nights on the island of sexual pleasure. Followed by time on the islands of fear, terror, worry, apprehension, delight, pride and joy. Interspersed, thankfully, with countless additional evenings on the island of sexual pleasure. And hopefully there will be many more evenings on the island of sexual pleasure. I really can’t under-emphasize the importance of spending as much time as you can on the island of sexual pleasure. But I digress. My experience is that there is an island for everything. But, like KF’s islands of function, they are poorly articulated analogies based on weak assumptions.Ford Prefect
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Life is a beach on the island of function……. :-)chuckdarwin
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The great and powerful OZ speaks:
FP, the “corrections” have been grossly wrong.
Watch out for that little dog. He may pull aside your curtain.Ford Prefect
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The main issue in the Evolution debate has always been the origin of proteins. One unlikely way that a new functional protein comes into existence is the possibility that a current protein/gene sequence is modified by the numerous variation processes. This requires that the functional protein is nearby in protein space or that a frame shift throws the new protein into a faraway position that is functional or near a functional protein. Thus, the search analogy. Highly unlikely to happen. Aside: Darwinian Evolution is extremely silent on how new proteins arise from what is essentially genetics.jerry
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Kairosfocus @1, Seems to me that Michael Behe made a similar point in one of his books. Darwinism seems to be based primarily on morphology rather than genetic tracing. This sets up the fitness peak trap. I'd also note that the presumed fitness advantage is believed to be very slight according to Haldane and his successors. -QQuerius
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FP, the "corrections" have been grossly wrong as for FSCO/I, many parts, properly oriented and arranged need to be coupled to yield function. That is classic Goldilocks just right fine tuning. Start with the text of your objections as a case in point, noting on the 3-DP/C formalism that discussion on strings is WLOG. KFkairosfocus
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You have been corrected on your islands of function analogy on numerous occasions, yet you continue to beat this dead horse.Ford Prefect
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L&FP, 71: The island of function, fitness peak trapkairosfocus
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