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What is fake news? Do we actually believe it?Many sources feel that we readily believe fake news. Concern trolls in social sciences are often heard on this point, usually demanding government and corporate action.

Having spent a life in news, I would say that the ability to detect fakery increases with familiarity with the medium, as any magazine rack will show. That’s because human are decision-makers. The humans analyzed are as much decision-makers as the analysts.

Those who think that chickens are just like people, apes are entering the the Stone Age, and rocks have minds probably think that there are “scientific” formulas for getting around the reality of the independence of other people’s minds.

From O’Leary for News (Denyse O’Leary) at MercatorNet:

Fake news is hard to define. Discussions often conflate disinformation, such as Russia’s troll house onslaughts, hoaxes (the Pope supports Trump) and conspiracy claims with inconvenient stories that are well within the accepted bounds of partisan journalism.

The checkout counter’s top-selling magazine advised me last year that Hillary Clinton admits she is an alcoholic. And, in a more recent edition, that she is dying. Post-election, her whole family was said to be going to jail. On December 28, the Globe informed me that Prince Charles will be tried for the murder of Princess Diana because Her Majesty refuses to shield her “evil son” any longer.

Post-election, a news item also popped up beside my Facebook page announcing that Melania Trump was divorcing Donald. But years ago—like everyone else in the checkout queue—I had also ignored the claims that Michelle Obama was divorcing Barack.

No one seems to have noticed any of this turmoil, for years on end, or maybe…? Also,

Analyst Brent Bozell draws our attention to the fact that major media commonly indulge themselves in the equivalent of fake news in the form of speculation and predictions, especially in the New Year period or prior to a political turnover. More.

Fake news actually works very well in mainstream pundit predictions because the analyst is free to choose which factors to count and what weight to give them. That’s harder to do in a post-contest analysis where past events limit our imaginations. But in either case, hearers are free to substitute their own judgment and they usually do.

See also: Part I: What is fake news? Do we believe it?

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KF @ 13: "But beneath it all I hear a voice, and that Voice asks: who is The Truth Himself? Who is The Just One? If we disregard or distort or speak against the Truth, Who are we disregarding and opposing? Such, cannot end well." Well said.Truth Will Set You Free
January 11, 2017
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Hi Dionisio Acartia alerted me to your comments on my thread “Uncommon Descent” and “The Skeptical Zone” in 2016 at TSZ - otherwise I would have overlooked them. 1) English isn't my first language, either - "proof" and "prove" is particularly embarrassing: I'm a mathematician who likes to bake ;-) 2) You take umbrage with my phrase "user Dionisio started to (proof) prove the superior quality of edits at UD". Frankly, I think that your excerpts do not contradict my point, but I'm willing to change it to something like "user Dinoisio started to demonstrate that edits at UD are beefier/more seriously interested in science than those at TSZ using google searches for keywords like "morphogen" and "tRNA". 3) You write:
"Here’s another inaccuracy in the link provided by DiEb, where we may read this [emphasis added]: The UD list made me laugh. Especially the OP Mystery at the Heart of Life. All 948 comments in that thread in 2016 were by Dionisio."
I just want to stress the fact that this wasn't in my post, but just a comment to it (not by me) - I suppose we can find countless inaccurate comments at UD, too. Acartia should have written 99.05% of all 948 in that thread in 2016 were by Dionisio, four (0.633%) by gpuccio, two by Pindi and one by Querius and butifnot each. 4) I made you a wordle. You are welcome.DiEb
January 11, 2017
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WJM & M62, yup. But beneath it all I hear a voice, and that Voice asks: who is The Truth Himself? Who is The Just One? If we disregard or distort or speak against the Truth, Who are we disregarding and opposing? Such, cannot end well. Woe, to those who put darkness for light, and light for darkness, false for true and true for false. Where, I still have yet to see a sounder description of what truth is than this from Ari in Metaphysics 1011b: truth says of what is, that it is; and of what is not, that it is not. Let our yes be yes and our no, no; whatever is more than this cometh of evil. And yes, you had better believe I am alluding to Scripture. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God. KFkairosfocus
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WJM: “Fake news” is a relatively new meme intended to give the useful idiots of the left a tool with which to ignore information which compromises their progressive narrative. It's delicious how the term has turned against them like a boomerang.mike1962
January 11, 2017
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"Fake news" is a relatively new meme intended to give the useful idiots of the left a tool with which to ignore information which compromises their progressive narrative.William J Murray
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Folks, a thought: the tabloid was right inasmuch as it is so that we are all dying, just some are doing so a bit faster than others. So, Mrs Clinton is indeed dying, the proper question is, is she on a faster trend than most of us or most at her age? And, that may be interesting indeed as news one way or the other. But, there is some other "news" that I think this points to, Heb 9:27: it is appointed unto men, once to die and thereafter to face divine judgement. And, tied to that, the Judge is not only The Just One, but Truth Himself. So, whether we are newsies, fakers, pols, lawyers [some would say lie-yers . . . ], teachers, or ordinary people with views, we all need to ponder that if we disrespect or disregard truth, justice, equity, righteousness etc, we are disrespecting and disregarding God. KF PS: And, those who pretend that they have good enough reason to disregard God as real, would be well advised to reconsider. For years, I have maintained this page in part as a way to help such. PPS: if you think the core ID contentions can be similarly dismissed as irresponsible, unscientific fakery, deceit and falsehood -- "fake news" in the latest intended media drive-by smear -- etc [something TSZ and others of like ilk seem to believe], I suggest that we may want to have a look at here and also here (as well as ES's guest post here and this review of Crick on text in DNA . . . oops, I forget, Sir Fred Hoyle as discussed here too), most recently.kairosfocus
January 11, 2017
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DiEb, Can you respond the question @8? Thank you.Dionisio
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From the observations made @3 & @6 one could assume that inaccuracies are common in that website. Is that the case?Dionisio
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jerry @5: Can you provide a link to the article? Thank you.Dionisio
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#3 addendum Here's another inaccuracy in the link provided by DiEb, where we may read this [emphasis added]:
The UD list made me laugh. Especially the OP Mystery at the Heart of Life. All 948 comments in that thread in 2016 were by Dionisio.
All comments? That's not true. There were several serious comments posted by other people in that thread in 2016. Also a couple of completely irrelevant comments written by a politely-dissenting person. Details available upon request.Dionisio
January 10, 2017
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This is a paraphrase of an article that appeared yesterday on how the media will distort reporting. I thought it might have relevance here.
The Darwinists frame the evolution case this way specifically for the same reason the 17th century academy initially downplayed – or ignored – stories of small moons circulating planets: They don’t want to give the “ID people” any breathing space. That is, to be forthright about what science reveals gives the ID types the ability to say “See, we told you so!” The Darwinists have their own narrative and will not give this competing, conservative, “ID” narrative any air. But it’s inevitable that the truth will emerge. In which case the ID types are EVEN MORE empowered, because they can both point to events, and the current academy attempt to cover them up – “fake news” indeed. The academy is utterly destroying its credibility this way, because it’s more beholden to “narrative” than it is to the truth. And this is why the academy based on its current ideology will die out, because when a science model built up on reporting the truth suddenly has a new primary goal – the academy as currently organized can’t survive.
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Two questions for the mainstream news media (MSM): First, how did fake news affect the outcome of the U.S. Presidential election? I haven’t heard a credible explanation of actually how it did. And personally, I don’t find the airy-wave-of-the-hand, “Oh somehow it could have affected the outcome, therefore it might have,” type of explanation to be very convincing-- and that’s an understatement. Nevertheless that seems to me to be what the MSM’s spin is. Second, how did the alleged Russian hacking affect the elections out come? Again, I am not going to find some kind of airy-wave-of-the-hand explanation (or rationalization) to be very compelling or convincing. Of course anyone who thinks the MSM is doing a good job are free to respond. (The MSM are probably not monitoring this site.) My point is the so-called news is supposed to be about facts and substance; not theory, speculation and innuendo. Again, tell me exactly how fake news or the Russians or the Russian using fake news affected the outcome of the U.S. Presidential election. “Enquiring minds would like to know.” PS So far, as far as I can see, most of the MSM’s coverage of “fake news” is--well-- fake news.john_a_designer
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What is fake news? Words have meaning, ideas (translated to actions) have consequences, attention to details is important in many situations, testing everything and holding what is good is required from us all the time. However, unfortunately this world doesn't care about that at all. Last January 6th Barry Arrington started a discussion thread under the title "Friday Chuckle": https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/friday-chuckle/ In that thread we see this:
13 DiEb January 8, 2017 at 3:00 pm
off topic: At “Uncommon Descent” and “The Skeptical Zone” in 2016, I created some pics about the number of comments and threads of these two sites in 2016. I’d appreciate any input…
https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/friday-chuckle/#comment-623239
In the link provided by DiEb we may read this [emphasis added]:
[...] This trend seems to be spotted at UD, as user Dionisio started to proof the superior quality of edits at UD [...]
started to proof? First, shouldn't it read "started to prove"? BTW, English is not my first language. Second, I did not start to prove anything. That's quite inaccurate. Check this out - please read carefully: Looking back… Last November 30th johnnyb started an interesting discussion thread under the title "Fixing a Confusion": https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/fixing-a-confusion Two weeks before last year ended, continuing a friendly discussion, KF wrote this insightful follow-up comment:
177 kairosfocus December 15, 2016 at 5:35 am
D, just popped by TSZ for the first time in many Moons. Chesil beach — pebbles grade per position along the beach –exhibiting high algorithmic complexity? hydrodynamic sorting is law, with statistical underpinning. Thus, in principle highly compressible even if we do not know how to write the code well. Where, too, there is no identifiable functionality from the pebbles that is critically dependent on particular organised arrangements and couplings of pebbles, as opposed to say D/RNA or protein molecules. Remember, the Mandelbrot set is in fact highly compressed by a relatively simple criterion in z. KF
https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/fixing-a-confusion/#comment-622226
Later I replied:
180 Dionisio December 15, 2016 at 8:46 pm
KF, I took a quick look at the web site you pointed at. I did it because you referred to it. Looking at UD takes most of my spare time. Here’s a minor observation: Morphogenesis is one of the many interesting areas in biology. Morphogens are signal molecules involved in the morphogenesis. I’ve been trying to learn a little of that stuff lately. Have to humbly admit that reading biology papers is very difficult for me. It’s a challenge. Also, the amount of research information coming out of wet and dry labs is quite large and it seems to increase. Out of curiosity I found how many OPs mentioned the term “morphogen” in those two web sites, just this year.
https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/fixing-a-confusion/#comment-622241
And then added:
188 Dionisio December 15, 2016 at 9:33 pm
KF: After a few comparisons it looks like comparing USA and Poland on their total medal counts at the last Olympics in Rio. Basically two different categories. Now I forgot what was it that you asked me to look at?
https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/fixing-a-confusion/#comment-622250
KF commented:
189 kairosfocus December 16, 2016 at 3:10 am
D, Chesil beach was at the top of TSZ, and it is a subject where the owner there was corrected here at UD years ago. The hydrodynamic sorting that grades pebble size along that beach — smugglers used to tell where they were in the dark by feeling pebble size — is not equal to functionally specific complex organisation and/or associated rich information. It does not exhibit high resistance to algorithmic compression. and so forth. KF
https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/fixing-a-confusion/#comment-622255
Then I responded:
190 Dionisio December 16, 2016 at 4:08 am
KF, Yes, agree on that. Glad you have brought up this topic here. Well, they brought it up there, but you pointed at it. Actually, that’s one thing that has gone ridiculously wrong in the area of morphogen gradient formation and interpretation, which by the way was the topic of the simple question professor Larry Moran failed to answer correctly in another thread in UD. For quite long time it was generally assumed that diffusion alone was responsible for the morphogen gradient formation. Lately new research has discovered that in a substantial number of cases diffusion alone does not resolve the conundrum. A few of those recent papers are referenced in another thread in UD.["Mystery at the heart of life"] Now, one question is why would highly educated thinking people accept that obviously incomplete idea as the solution to the problem? A 7-year-old child would have realized something else was missing in that picture. I think it is related to the pebble story you pointed at too, isn’t it? Now, aside from that, did you see (posted @180-187) how poorly that other site did in the comparisons of biology-related OPs? And some of the few OPs that were counted were actually written by ID-friendly folks. What does that tell us? Which site is more serious about science-related discussions? Just guess. PS. I would not pay much attention to what they write somewhere else, unless it’s serious. In this case it doesn’t seem so.
https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/fixing-a-confusion/#comment-622259
A few days later I posted this:
Summary stats update: Keyword ……….. Posted … UD … TSZ morphogen ………. @180 ….. 5 ….. 2 tRNA ……………….. @181 ….. 6 ….. 0 gastrulation ……… @182 ….. 1 ….. 0 epigenetics ………. @183 ….. 22 ….. 5 proteomics ………. @184 ….. 1 ….. 0 mitosis ……………. @185 ….. 1 ….. 0 meiosis …………… @186 ….. 2 ….. 0 centrosome ……… @187 ….. 1 ….. 0 neuroscience ……. @195 ….. 8 ….. 3 ribosome ………… @204 ….. 9 ..… 1 genome ………….. @207 ….. 10 … 3 genomics ………… @210 ….. 19 ….. 3 chromosome ……. @212 ….. 32 ….. 4 https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/fixing-a-confusion/#comment-622403
Later I posted this:
Considering that a substantial proportion of the relatively much smaller amount of biology-related OPs in that site were apparently written by serious ID-friendly folks, the fundamental question ”where’s the beef?” comes to mind. ???? Are they seriously interested in science?
Perhaps Silver Asiatic had a good point:
First, UD is the premier ID site and ID is the most innovative theory in science today. TSZ is … nothing? That is, it represents nothing. There’s no idea, theory, program or direction of any kind behind it. With that, maybe we should compare ourselves with something of a higher caliber?
Dionisio
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hearers are free to substitute their own judgment and they usually do
It has been my experience that identifying fake news seems to be a lot like spotting counterfeit currency. The more you handle real currency, the easier it is to feel and see the fake. For me the real currency is the truth contained in the Bible. The more exposed one is to true information which God has revealed to all who read the Bible, the less susceptible one is to being misdirected by misinformation.awstar
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The humans analyzed are as much decision-makers as the analysts.
That's a great point. Much of the news we get is already packaged with opinion. People learn how to read past the bias.
Those who think that chickens are just like people, apes are entering the the Stone Age, and rocks have minds probably think that there are “scientific” formulas for getting around the reality of the independence of other people’s minds.
LOL. We see quite a lot of this fake news from supposedly 'respected' sources. I think some who believe they have the answers for how humanity can become more advanced or progressive, justify any use of the news for 'educational purposes', which are really just a means of manipulating on indoctrinating people. It's not that much different than the kind of news that is permitted to be published in places like Cuba, North Korea or China.Silver Asiatic
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