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Those of us who argue that morality is grounded in a transcendent, objective standard often use extreme cases to demonstrate our point. We argue, for example, that in no conceivable universe would torturing an infant for personal pleasure be considered anything other than an unmitigated evil. Since there is at least one self-evidently moral truth that transcends all places, times, circumstances and contexts, the objectivity of morality is demonstrated.

The other day frequent commenter Learned Hand stated that “[Subjectiviests are] very much like [objectivists], in that we have moral beliefs that are as powerful for us as they are for you.”

The objectivist response to LH is two-fold. On the one hand, we say that it is entirely obvious and unsurprising that subjectivists feel powerfully about their moral beliefs. After all, subjectivists’ moral beliefs are grounded in the objective reality of a transcendent moral standard just like everyone else’s (even though subjectivists deny that this is so). Far from asserting that subjectivists are amoral monsters, objectivists absolutely insist that any given subjectivist can be as sensitive (or even perhaps in some instances more sensitive) to the demands of the objective moral law as an objectivists. Subjectivists, like everyone else, know that (and always behave as if) torturing an infant for personal pleasure is objectively wrong. Which, of course, is why the rest of LH’s rant in the linked comment is not only mean spirited, it is also blithering nonsense.

On the other hand, objectivists also argue that the subjectivist argument that they feel their morality just as powerfully as objectivists is patently false given their own premises. One group of people believe that morals are based on an objective, transcendent moral standard binding on all people at all times; another group of people take Will Provine seriously when he says no ultimate foundation for ethics exists. Certainly the responses of individuals within the group will vary. But can there be any doubt that people who believe morality is based on something real will, at the margin, feel more strongly about their moral commitments than people who believe their moral commitments are, ultimately, based on nothing at all? Can you imagine a moral objectivist insisting that we should not “judge” Aztec human sacrifice by our current cultural standards, as I once saw a curator of a museum here in Denver do?

Of course, the key to this analysis is the phrase “at the margin.” All decisions are made at the margin, and that is why when it comes down to the actual practical differences in the behavior of subjectivists and objectivists, examples from the poles are unhelpful, because the behavior of both groups will be practically identical.  But is there really a difference in behavior at the margin? As I argued above, simple logic dictates that we should expect a difference in behavior at the margin. But do we have any concrete examples? I believe we do. It is called American jurisprudence.

As I have written before, it is not an overstatement to say that the modern era of law began with the publication in 1897 of The Path of the Law by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. In this groundbreaking article Holmes almost singlehandedly founded the school of “legal realism,” which gradually came to be the predominate theory of jurisprudence in the United States. “Legal realism” should more properly be called “legal nihilism,” because Holmes denied the existence of any objective “principles of ethics or admitted axioms” to guide judge’s rulings. Why would Holmes deny the objective existence of morality? Because, as Phillip Johnson has explained, Holmes was a “convinced Darwinist who profoundly understood the philosophical implications of Darwinism,” and Holmes’ great contribution to American law was to reconcile the philosophy of law with the philosophy of naturalism. Truly Holmes’ ideas could be called “jurisprudential naturalism.” Thus began the modern era of what has come to be known as “judicial activism.”

What does all of this have to do with “morality at the margin”? The answer lies in the structure and history of the American Constitution. In the Federalist 79 Hamilton argued that judges would be restrained from judicial activism by their fear of impeachment:

The precautions for their responsibility are comprised in the article respecting impeachments. They [federal judges] are liable to be impeached for malconduct by the House of Representatives, and tried by the Senate; and, if convicted, may be dismissed from office, and disqualified for holding any other.

For structural reasons (impeach requires a supermajority in the Senate), political reasons (super majorities necessary for impeachment are impossible if even a significant minority of the Senate agrees with the results of the judicial activism), and historical reasons (Jefferson’s failed use of the impeachment process to check the judiciary weighed very heavily against subsequent attempts), Hamilton turned out to be wrong.

If judges cannot be checked effectively by fear of impeachment when they abuse their office, what does check their power? Just this: Judges take an oath of office to uphold the constitution, and the only practical check on their power is individual judge’s moral commitment to that oath. And it is here that the difference between subjectivist and objectivist commitments to morality have plain effects at the margin.

Every time a judge makes a ruling (especially in the area of constitutional law), there is a temptation. Suppose a judge has a powerfully felt commitment to a particular policy (it does not matter what the policy preference is). Suppose further that the text, structure and history of the constitution provides no warrant for elevating that policy preference to the status of constitutional imperative. If there is no effective political check on his power, what is to stop the judge from nevertheless falsely ruling that the constitution does indeed elevate his policy preference to constitutional imperative? Again, nothing but his moral commitment to his oath. This is especially true for Supreme Court judges whose rulings are not subject to further review.

Which group of judges has the stronger moral commitment?  Based on a host of data, it is certainly the case that political liberals are far more likely to be areligious. Further, areligious people are far more likely than religious people to be moral subjectivists. Therefore, we can conclude that liberal judges are more likely to be moral subjectivists. Is it any wonder then that the vast majority of cases of judicial activism come down on the side most amenable to political liberals? Indeed, while I will be the first to admit that there have been a few rare cases of conservative activism, judicial activism is overwhelming seen as a phenomenon of the left. Conservative judges view their project as essentially a moral project. Liberal judges see their project as, in Justice White’s famous phrase, the raw exercise of power. It cannot be reasonably disputed that liberal judges (whom we can conclude have a largely subjectivist moral viewpoint) do not have as strong a moral commitment to their oath. And that, Learned Hand, is why it matters.

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If killing babies is an effective population control mechanism, why don’t you keep killing them when they are born?
It used to happen, Barry. A century ago, infant mortality kept human population in check. I prefer that a pregnancy does not happen. In countries where sex education and contraceptive advice is freely available, unwanted pregnancy, especially teenage pregnancy, is much lower. No need for large numbers of terminations. And no, a three-month old foetus is not a baby.Alicia Renard
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If you knew that abortion caused unborn children to feel pain, would you change your position and condemn it?
It would certainly change my attitude - of course it depends how much pain and it has to be balanced against the pain they and the family would endure if they were born.Mark Frank
January 20, 2015
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StephenB That is meant to be an answer? Ignore my questions as to what to do with tens of millions of unwanted children and ask "Explain to me, Alicia, why chastity and self control are anathema to you."? When a rapist attacks, when a drunken husband forces himself, when an abusive partner threatens to leave if his sexual demands are not met, how does your question about chastity help? When the 19-year-old-niece of a good friend meets a boy at a party who then arranges to lure her away so that, with the help of four accomplices, he can rape her? Hmm? Good Italian Catholic boys too!Alicia Renard
January 20, 2015
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opens the door to religious wars, Lenin, Mao . . .
Newsflash Mark. Those two are on your side. And just the two of them (along with Lenin's successor Stalin), killed more innocent people than all of the wars of religion in history combined. Moral of the story: Murderous religious fanatics are bad. But for really wholesale slaughter on an epic scale it takes an atheist subjectivist. Barry Arrington
January 20, 2015
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Considered by whom? Not I think the perpetrators.
Yes, including the perpetrators. What in the world makes you think that just because someone does something evil they don't understand it to be evil. Mark, seriously, when you have to start making an apologetic for those who would torture infants for pleasure, it is time to turn in your system of ethics for an upgrade.Barry Arrington
January 20, 2015
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Explain to me, Barry, how there would not be an explosion of poverty as happens in many third -world countries
. If killing babies is an effective population control mechanism, why don't you keep killing them when they are born?Barry Arrington
January 20, 2015
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"foetus" n. Euphemism people such as Alicia Renard use to describe an unborn baby they may want to kill. "How's the foetus honey"? No expectant father asked his wife, ever.Barry Arrington
January 20, 2015
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Alicia
Explain to me, Barry, why an effective education system directed at teenagers and young adults on how to avoid unwanted pregnancy together with the necessary availability of contraception is anathema to you.
Explain to me, Alicia, why chastity and self control are anathema to you.StephenB
January 20, 2015
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Mark Frank
I assure you the feeling is mutual. I am frightened by people who firmly believe that there is one objective moral code and they know what it is.
Mark, you have stated that your personal moral code is based, in part, on your belief that is wrong to inflict pain and suffering on others. If you knew that abortion caused unborn children to feel pain, would you change your position and condemn it?StephenB
January 20, 2015
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LH, you and people like you frighten me deeply,
I assure you the feeling is mutual. I am frightened by people who firmly believe that there is one objective moral code and they know what it is. That leads to justifying the physical suppression of people with different moral views and opens the door to religious wars, Lenin, Mao, and the Islamic State.Mark Frank
January 20, 2015
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BA writes:
...at least I am alive, which is more than can be said for the tens of millions of unborn children slaughtered at the behest of those espousing the judicial philosophy you defend so vehemently.
I'm wondering about this. Assuming, for the sake of argument, Barry is right that tens of millions of legal abortions have happened in the US over the last eighty years. What would have happened to all these children? An abortion is not a choice that a woman makes lightly and many make it under the duress of hardship and lack of support, post-rape and forced intercourse. Would these women, having been presumably forced to carry an unwanted foetus to term then be forced to raise that child with the minimal social support that exists even today in the US? Explain to me, Barry, how there would not be an explosion of poverty as happens in many third -world countries. Explain to me, Barry, how you plan to force women to continue with an unwanted pregnancy. Incarcerate them for nine months? Tie them to their beds? Explain to me, Barry, why an effective education system directed at teenagers and young adults on how to avoid unwanted pregnancy together with the necessary availability of contraception is anathema to you.Alicia Renard
January 20, 2015
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We argue, for example, that in no conceivable universe would torturing an infant for personal pleasure be considered anything other than an unmitigated evil.
Considered by whom? Not I think the perpetrators. If you mean that you and I and the vast majority of our contemporaries would consider it an unmitigated evil in every conceivable universe then I agree - but that is perfectly compatible with subjectivism. Don't confuse the time and place where the action takes place with the time and place where the judgement takes place.Mark Frank
January 20, 2015
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LH @ 5: You are nothing if not predictable. You say that judicial activism is undefinable, because there are no standards by which to define it. Precisely what I would expect a liberal moral subjectivist to say and exactly wrong. There is a standard. It is called the constitution. When a judge’s decision cannot be supported by the text, history and structure of the constitution he has engaged in judicial activism and violated his oath to uphold the constitution. (BTW, thanks for admitting your relative ignorance when it comes to con law; I, on the other hand, have been practicing con law for over 20 years.) What is the point of having a written constitution if those sworn to uphold it do not feel they are morally bound to adhere to the text? From one end to the other your comment is a shining example of a mindset steeped in modern legal jurisprudence. If I can get five of the nine votes, to hell with the constitution I swore to uphold. Might makes right. You are deeply confused as illustrated by this paragraph:
Ironically, the typical explanation for judicial activism is that a judge lets their sense of moral outrage override their sense of what the law is, for example when conservatives complain that liberal judges let their desire for marriage equality drive their rulings on SSM cases. Barry needs conservative judges to be the moral ones, though, because liberals are subjectivists and therefore moral perverts; hence, the “moral project” of the right is somehow disconnected from decisionmaking that, in theory, should be about simply saying what the law is.
The issue of morality I am talking about has nothing to do with whether SSM (or any other policy preference) is morally right or not. Not every deeply felt policy preference, even assuming for the sake of argument it furthers a moral cause, arises to the level of constitutional imperative. The issue is whether a right to SSM is guaranteed by the constitution. It is not; the constitution is completely silent on the issue of SSM. Therefore, the issue is reserved for the people and their elected representatives. And when a judge makes the plainly false ruling that a right to SSM is guaranteed by the constitution, he has lied and violated his oath, and that is immoral. LH, you and people like you frighten me deeply, but at least I am alive, which is more than can be said for the tens of millions of unborn children slaughtered at the behest of those espousing the judicial philosophy you defend so vehemently.Barry Arrington
January 19, 2015
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Some thoughts on "objectively atheistic" activism: "Shortly after Lincoln’s election, Presbyterian minister Benjamin Morgan Palmer, originally from Charleston, gave a sermon entitled, “The South Her Peril and Her Duty.” He announced that the election had brought to the forefront one issue – slavery – that required him to speak out. Slavery, he explained, was a question of morals and religion, and was now the central question in the crisis of the Union. The South, he went on, had a “providential trust to conserve and to perpetuate the institution of slavery as now existing.” The South was defined by slavery, he observed. “It has fashioned our modes of life, and determined all of our habits of thought and feeling, and molded the very type of our civilization.” Abolition, said Palmer, was “undeniably atheistic.” The South “defended the cause of God and religion,” and nothing “is now left but secession.” http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/civil-war-overview/why-non-slaveholding.htmlREC
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I’m traveling for work again this week, and won’t have much time to respond. So I’ll just leave a (relatively) short response to part of the above, and hopefully get back to it when I’m back in front of my desk. In other words, if I don’t respond for a couple of days, it’s probably not that I’ve been banned—although you can never tell. I suppose I’ll report it at ATBC or TSZ if I am. I agree that moral viewpoints matter. Needing to use such an anodyne phrase to caption this post is a strong signal that it isn’t saying very much, or doing it very well. Judicial activism is a very slippery subject, and Mr. Arrington does a very poor job engaging with it. JA is easy to define, but very, very hard to define well. One problem is, ironically, that objective definitions of JA often turn out to be very impractical. One of the simplest is just measuring how often judges overturn statutes, by which measure Justice Thomas was the most “activist” member of the Rehnquist Court. That’s a fun result, but I don’t really like that definition. Unfortunately it’s about the only one I can think of which is all that objective. Caveat, though: I’m not a con law guy, and defining activism isn’t something I think or read about very much. Maybe there are some great definitions out there with which I’m unfamiliar. They shouldn't be hard to find, since "activism" is an ideological football. But there aren’t any above. In practice, when people complain about JA you get the above: those darn judges who believe the wrong things make the wrong decisions! Harrumph! The assumptions in this particular harrumph are stacked one upon the other. The greatest is the unsourced, unexplained assertion that “vast majority” of JA decisions are by liberal judges. What constitutes an act of judicial activism? How many have there been? Do you count just the writing judges, or all judges in the majority? Is their alignment determined by the appointing president’s party or some other factor? I suspect Barry hasn’t actually considered these factors, just searched his feelings for what he knows to be true. Perhaps it’s self-evident. Another unsourced, unsourcable, and probably wrong assertion is that liberal judges don’t see their work as a “moral project.” I know and have clerked for judges on the trial and appellate level; I don’t know any one of them who don’t see their work as both a moral project and an “exercise of power.” Ironically, the typical explanation for judicial activism is that a judge lets their sense of moral outrage override their sense of what the law is, for example when conservatives complain that liberal judges let their desire for marriage equality drive their rulings on SSM cases. Barry needs conservative judges to be the moral ones, though, because liberals are subjectivists and therefore moral perverts; hence, the “moral project” of the right is somehow disconnected from decisionmaking that, in theory, should be about simply saying what the law is. Nor do I think any judge believes they violate their oath when they rule on something they strongly believe is right—even if commentators would say they were being activists. (I can’t support that with external facts, it’s just my notion based on my understanding of psychology.) Assuming that’s true, the moral commitment to the oath is no obstacle to making a decision that the judge strongly feels is right, because almost no judge is going to think, “Wow, I just violated my oath.” Finally, a few quick observations on another tossed-off, blustery pronouncement: On the other hand, objectivists also argue that the subjectivist argument that they feel their morality just as powerfully as objectivists is patently false given their own premises. Logic is hard! I hope you cabined that with the “objectivists also argue” qualification because part of you realized what a silly thing it is to say. You aren’t describing your own position, are you? Because given our own premises, subjectivists think we’re all ultimately subjectivists—objectivists, we think, merely ascribe their subjective opinions to an external source. So the argument as stated is… well, it’s about par for the course. Probably felt good to write, but not so convincing to anyone whose initials aren’t BA. Continuing, But can there be any doubt that people who believe morality is based on something real will, at the margin, feel more strongly about their moral commitments than people who believe their moral commitments are, ultimately, based on nothing at all? Betteridge’s Law of Headlines applies to argumentative rhetorical questions, too! The answer is yes. Because we are talking about feelings. You may feel like your feelings are special snowflakes that dirty subjectivists couldn’t possibly also experience, but in fact people tend to feel feelings quite strongly. I suspect, and this is just my own feeling, that when we experience strong moral outrage, we almost never stop to consider whether that moral feeling is grounded in an objective or subjective source: we feel the feeling, then think about it later. Can you imagine a moral objectivist insisting that we should not “judge” Aztec human sacrifice by our current cultural standards, as I once saw a curator of a museum here in Denver do? Betteridge again. Yes, I can imagine it. For example, if the Aztec performing the sacrifice was an objectivist. Mind blown!Learned Hand
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poor keiths. still lostMung
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The question, "Can we be good without God?" is not quite the best way to frame the problem, IMO. Anyone can live by whatever values one wishes. The point is that unless there is a transcendent moral authority (i.e. God)then no one has any basis for saying that any values anyone adopts are morally good or bad. The most one can say is that he likes or dislikes the values that others have chosen. The atheist can live by the same values as the theist, but if he's correct that there is no God then had he chosen to live by the opposite values he would not be "wrong" to do so. He'd just be different.Dick
January 19, 2015
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Barry,
Which group of judges has the stronger moral commitment? Based on a host of data, it is certainly the case that political liberals are far more likely to be areligious.
Religion doesn't affect morality in the way you imagine. An earlier comment of mine:
fifthmonarchyman:
I think the general public’s disdain for Atheists has to so with the idea that it is impossible to behave morally with out an objective standard of morality.
It’s a shame that more people aren’t acquainted with the facts. A comment from 2009:
Denyse O’Leary asks:
Can you be good without God?
Denyse, I think a better question is “Can you be good without believing in God?” After all, God either exists or he doesn’t. It’s a fixed truth for all of us, and not something we have any prospect of changing. So, can we be good without believing in God? The answer is obviously yes. To answer “no” would be to claim that every atheist is evil, with no exceptions, which is clearly false. As for whether faith improves morality in general, consider the following passage from William Lobdell’s book Losing My Religion:
It was discouragingly easy — though incredibly surprising — to find out that Christians, as a group, acted no differently than anyone else, including atheists. Sometimes they performed a little better; other times a little worse. But the Body of Christ didn’t stand out as morally superior. Some of my data came from secular institutions such as the Pew Research Center and the Gallup Poll, but the most devastating information was collected by the Barna Group, a respected research company run by an evangelical Christian worried about the health of Christianity in America. For years, George Barna has studied more than 70 moral behaviors of believers and unbelievers. His conclusion: the faith of Christians has grown fat and flabby. He contends that statistically, the difference between behaviors of Christians and others has been erased. According to his data and other studies, Christians divorce at about the same rate or even at a slightly higher rate than atheists. White evangelical Christians are more racist than others. Evangelicals take antidepressants at about the same rate (7 percent) as others. Non-Christians are more likely to give money to a homeless or poor person in any given year (34 percent) than are born-again Christians (24 percent). Born-again Christians are taught to give 10 percent of their money to the church or charity, but 95 percent of them decline to do so. The percentage of Christian youth infected with sexually transmitted diseases is virtually the same as the rate among their non-Christian counterparts. Ronald J. Sider, a professor at Palmer Theological Seminary and an evangelical, covers a lot of these statistics and more in his 2007 book, The Scandal of the Evangelical Conscience. “Whether the issue is divorce, materialism, sexual promiscuity, racism, physical abuse in marriage, or neglect of a biblical worldview, the polling data point to widespread, blatant disobedience of clear biblical moral demands on the part of people who are allegedly are evangelical, born-again Christians,” Sider writes. “The statistics are devastating.” …And I already knew that the majority of Catholics ignored some of the church’s basic teachings. A recent poll co-sponsored by the National Catholic Reporter found that the majority of America Catholics believed they did not have to obey church doctrine on abortion, birth control, divorce, remarriage or weekly attendance at Mass to be “good Catholics”. Catholic women have about the same rate of abortion as the rest of society, according to a 2002 study by Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health. And 98 percent of sexually active Catholic women have used a modern method of contraception, according to a 2002 national survey by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I just couldn’t find any evidence within Protestantism or Catholicism that the actions of Christians, in general, showed that they took their faith seriously or that their religion made them morally or ethically better than even atheists. Losing My Religion, pp. 204-207
keith s
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Was Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka the result of activist judges, or the sudden realization that the "objective, transcendent moral standard binding on all people at all times" was being misinterpreted by a slight majority of Americans at the time? If the Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage, than the 50-60% of Americans your age who oppose gay marriage (not sure how old you are) are more in tune with the "objective, transcendent moral standard binding on all people at all times" than the 80% of Americans my age who support it?REC
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