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Nothing much for me to add since I entirely agree with Skell. I note that the comments following the Forbes article fail to include any substantive dispute – just the usual ad hominem and hand waving.

The Dangers Of Overselling Evolution

Philip S. Skell, 02.23.09, 01:47 PM EST

Focusing on Darwin and his theory doesn’t further scientific progress.

Last week, University of Chicago biologist Jerry Coyne criticized Forbes (See “Why Evolution Is True”) for including views skeptical of Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution in its forum on the 200th anniversary of his birth. As a member of the National Academy of Sciences, I beg to differ with Professor Coyne.

I don’t think science has anything to fear from a free exchange of ideas between thoughtful proponents of different views. Moreover, there are a number of us in the scientific community who, while we appreciate Darwin’s contributions, think that the rhetorical approach of scientists such as Coyne unnecessarily polarizes public discussions and –even more seriously –overstates both the evidence for Darwin’s theory of historical biology and the benefits of Darwin’s theory to the actual practice of experimental science.

Coyne seems to believe the major importance of biological science is its speculations about matters which cannot be observed, tested and verified, such as origin of life, speciation, the essences of our fossilized ancestors, the ultimate causes of their changes, etc.

Experimental biology has dramatically increased our understanding of the intricate workings within living organisms that account for their survival, showing how they continue to function despite the myriad assaults on them from their environments. These advances in knowledge are attributable to the development of new methodologies and instruments, unimaginable in the preceding centuries, applied to the investigation of living organisms.

Contrary to the beliefs of Professor Coyne and some other defenders of Darwin, these advances are not due to studies of an organism’s ancestors that are recovered from fossil deposits. Those rare artifacts–which have been preserved as fossils–are impressions in stones which, even when examined with the heroic efforts of paleontologists, cannot reveal the details that made these amazing living organisms function.

To conflate contemporary scientific studies of existing organisms with those of the paleontologists serves mainly to misguide the public and teachers of the young. An examination of the papers in the National Academy of Sciences’ premiere journal, The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences(PNAS), as well as many other journals and the Nobel awards for biological discoveries, supports the crucial distinction I am making.

Examining the major advances in biological knowledge, one fails to find any real connection between biological history and the experimental designs that have produced today’s cornucopia of knowledge of how the great variety of living organisms perform their functions. It is our knowledge of how these organisms actually operate, not speculations about how they may have arisen millions of years ago, that is essential to doctors, veterinarians, farmers and other practitioners of biological science.

It is widely accepted that the growth of science and technology in the West, which accounts for the remarkable advances we enjoy today in medicine, agriculture, travel, communications, etc., coincided with the separation, several centuries ago, of the experimental sciences from the dominance of the other important fields of philosophy, metaphysics, theology and history.

Yet many popularizers of Darwin’s theory now claim that without the study of ancient biological history, our students will not be prepared to engage in the great variety of modern experimental activities expected of them. The public should view with profound alarm this unnecessary and misguided reintroduction of speculative historical, philosophical and religious ideas into the realms of experimental science.

It is more crucial to consider history in the fields of astrophysics and geology than in biology. For example, the electromagnetic radiations arriving at our detectors inform us of the ongoing events that occurred billions of years ago in distant parts of our universe that have been traveling for all this time to reach us. And the rock formations of concern to geologists have resided largely undisturbed since their formations.

But fossils fail to inform us of the nature of our ancient antecedents–because they have been transformed into stones that give us only a minuscule, often misleading impression of their former essences and thus are largely irrelevant to modern biology’s experimentations with living organisms.

For instance, we cannot rely upon ruminations about the fossil record to lead us to a prediction of the evolution of the ambient flu virus so that we can prepare the vaccine today for next year’s more virulent strain. That would be like depending upon our knowledge of ancient Hittite economics to understand 21st-century economics.

In 1942, Nobel Laureate Ernst Chain wrote that his discovery of penicillin (with Howard Florey and Alexander Fleming) and the development of bacterial resistance to that antibiotic owed nothing to Darwin’s and Alfred Russel Wallace’s evolutionary theories.

The same can be said about a variety of other 20th-century findings: the discovery of the structure of the double helix; the characterization of the ribosome; the mapping of genomes; research on medications and drug reactions; improvements in food production and sanitation; new surgeries; and other developments.

Additionally, I have queried biologists working in areas where one might have thought the Darwinian paradigm could guide research, such as the emergence of resistance to antibiotics and pesticides. Here, as elsewhere, I learned that evolutionary theory provides no guidance when it comes to choosing the experimental designs. Rather, after the breakthrough discoveries, it is brought in as a narrative gloss.

The essence of the theory of evolution is the hypothesis that historical diversity is the consequence of natural selection acting on variations. Regardless of the verity it holds for explaining biohistory, it offers no help to the experimenter–who is concerned, for example, with the goal of finding or synthesizing a new antibiotic, or how it can disable a disease-producing organism, what dosages are required and which individuals will not tolerate it. Studying biohistory is, at best, an entertaining distraction from the goals of a working biologist.

It is noteworthy that Darwin’s and Wallace’s theories of evolution have been enormously aggrandized since the 1850s. Through the writings of neo-Darwinian biologists, they have subsumed many of the biological experimental discoveries of the 20th century. This is so despite the fact that those discoveries were neither predicted nor heuristically guided by evolutionary theory.

The overselling of the theory of evolution, because of the incorporation of these later discoveries, may have done a grave disservice both to those two 19th-century scientists and to modern biology.

The difference between the advances of 20th-century chemical and biological knowledge and the contentious atmosphere that currently prevails in biology alone is worth noting.

Chemists have depended largely on geological sources, from which they have isolated the hundred or so elements on the periodic table and subsequently devised a great variety of schemes for synthesizing millions of new complex arrangements of these elements, giving to the public medicines, fertilizers, plastics, etc., of great utility.

Biologists, on the other hand, have recognized that the natural sources they study are living organisms, each of which is a unique individual, each of which consists of extraordinary complex molecular combinations in configurations that lead to coherent functioning and reproduction. There are no two identical genomes in the biocosm. Now, modern biologists conduct experimental studies that have begun to reveal details of how living organisms function and reproduce.

It is unseemly and scientifically unfruitful that a major focus in biology should have turned into a war–between those who hold that the history of those unique organisms is purely a matter of chance aggregation from the inorganic world and those who hold that the aggregation must have been designed for a purpose.

It is surely not a matter that must or can be settled within the provenance of experimental biology. Above all, declaiming orthodoxy to either of those propositions promotes incivility and draws energy and resources away from the real goal–advances in experimental biological science. These studies, if not derailed, indicate that further advances of great utility can be expected during the 21st century.

Philip S. Skell is emeritus Evan Pugh professor of chemistry at Penn State University and a member of the National Academy of Sciences.

Comments
jerry: People here were doing a “happy dance” when Allen said Neo Darwinism is dead but what he meant and no one understood was that punctuated equilibrium was its replacement. That's not quite accurate. MacNeill, echoing Gould, points to pattern plurality, not to any single mechanism.Zachriel
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It is as good as any place to answer. Obviously you found a past thread that mentioned Brosius. He came up because Allen MacNeill recommended the book where he had the lead article. People here were doing a "happy dance" when Allen said Neo Darwinism is dead but what he meant and no one understood was that punctuated equilibrium was its replacement. And Brosius and his research team were providing the research to back it up. Exaptation was in and gradualism was out. I doubt Brosius is envious. It is more of a Panda Thumb reaction. Crude and condescending. Are they still around? Brosius was probably trying to make sure Conway Morris was ostracized in the future. The problem is Brosius and his colleagues run a major and successful medical research program in Germany which they say is focused on evolution. And produce a lot of research. Nobody from the ID camp reviews them.jerry
June 29, 2015
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#70 Wrong thread. My apologies.Box
June 29, 2015
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Jerry,
Box: Every once in a while an evolutionist enters the debate claiming that there is evidence for his position—while we all know that there is none.
Jerry: I would not get too cocky. I spent a lot of this thread about a research program that thinks that naturalized evolution is a slam dunk and has a research trail that supposedly supports that position.
I’m not worried at all. I’m sure that on closer inspection there is absolutely nothing there.
Jerry: In it Brosius is incredibly cocky and condescending to anyone who does not believe in naturalized evolution. He trashes Simon Conway Morris for suggesting there may be a God.
Motivated by envy, no doubt. Unlike for unguided evolution, there is actually strong evidence for the existence of God. Guys like Brosius—who you yourself call a ‘low life’ back in 2009—excel at wishful thinking and being “cocky” and “condescending”.Box
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Patrick, Does the “degenerative creation” hypothesis allude to the fall of man and the Garden of Eden?
No, it does not. The creation of a new functional whole via degeneration is compatible with practically every major hypothesis that would encapsulate this one.Patrick
March 18, 2009
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"That’s because invisible super-beings can do anything, can’t they?" About 6 million can fit on head of a needle. They are amazing.jerry
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StephenB:
You must know that ID can accomodate evolutionary change through all taxonomic levels because the point has been made numerous times.
That's because invisible super-beings can do anything, can't they?B L Harville
March 7, 2009
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---Allen: "That’s because I’m an evolutionary biologist. I use the definition of “macroevolution” that is generally accepted by evolutionary biologists and most other scientists." Everyone around here, including you, knows that macro-evolution can refer to any evolutionary change at or above the level of species, and that is also the way evolutionary biologists understand it. Obviously, evolutionary biologists take it to the last taxonomic level, which includes body-plan change and beyond. You must know that ID can accomodate evolutionary change through all taxonomic levels because the point has been made numerous times. It is time that you stopped misrepresenting this point and pretending that ID is anti-macro-evolution. It is not the amount of evolution that ID questions but rather the capacity of the mechanisms inherent in the modern evolutionary synthesis. Since you are capable of writing with precision and making subtle distinctions, I have to assume that you are knowingly misrepresenting our position. So, please stop it!StephenB
March 7, 2009
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Patrick, Does the “degenerative creation” hypothesis allude to the fall of man and the Garden of Eden? Are we degenerating from original sinless perfection? Or was that not what you meant?George L Farquhar
March 7, 2009
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And another thing, if we don’t rule out design a priori then it’s just as reasonable to explain it the other way around - eukaryotic cells preceded bacteria and then a mitochondria broke loose and became free living.
Way late to this thread, but I thought I'd point out this type of "degenerative creation" hypothesis is like... a) the flagellum preceding the T3SS b) spiegelman's monster c) the hypothesis that modern viruses are the degenerated descendants of a front-loading system (or some other system) and various other hypotheses that all sound more plausible than the constructive Darwinian stories. Also, in all this talk of endosymbiosis theory the informational basis has once again been neglected. Fine, one organism engulfs the other...but unless this event triggers a major change to the information used in replication this new functional status is not going to last to the next generation, I'd presume. And what if there are systems whose function is solely to incorporate information from other engulfed organisms? That'd not be very Darwinian at all.Patrick
March 7, 2009
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Erythrocytes:
The nucleus is eventually extruded. The metarubricyte is last stage with a nucleus.
Joseph
March 1, 2009
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Allen said that not all euk cells have nuclei. What euk cells are you talking about? I know that formed elements such as RBCs don't, but then again they aren't free-living cells. And I believe that even they had a nucleus at one time. But anyways now I am curious as the word "eukaryote" means "with a nucleus". So please tell us about the euks you were talking about.Joseph
February 28, 2009
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“They ‘look like’ some bacterial genomes, therefor they came from bacteria.”
You should be perfectly satisfied with this. After all, a common argument made by many commentators on the blog is that “living organisms look like things we know are designed, therefore living organisms must be designed”.
Really? Can you supply the relevant post? I don't know of anyone who says that.
However, as a scientist, I wouldn’t be satisfied by that kind of argument. It’s what’s known as an “argument from analogy”, and is virtually without logical force.
I would say you don't like analogies because you position doesn't have any that are relevant. What can you use? "Look at that pile of junk that just fell over. Yeah cells are just like that!"
On the contrary, the serial endosymbiotic theory (SET) for the origin of eukaryotes is supported by evidence at exactly the other end of the spectrum as “arguments by analogy”.
Euks from proks is premised on the thought that euks could NOT have come first because they are much to complex. Therefor euks had to have come from proks. Now let's look for something that will confirm that premise. There are multiple independent lines of evidence all supporting ID and therefore it can be said to have been verified by consilience, the strongest form of validation for logical propositions that humans have ever invented. Wow I can play word-games too. And BTW there is also data which would suggest the proks "devolved" from euks: Can evolution make things less complicated?
Instead, the data suggest that eukaryote cells with all their bells and whistles are probably as ancient as bacteria and archaea, and may have even appeared first, with bacteria and archaea appearing later as stripped-down versions of eukaryotes, according to David Penny, a molecular biologist at Massey University in New Zealand.
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Mr. MacNeill writes: In #46 joseph complained that I do not use the definition of “macroevolution” used by creationists. That’s because I’m an evolutionary biologist. I use the definition of “macroevolution” that is generally accepted by evolutionary biologists and most other scientists. If you were both honest and informed you'd know that it is generally accepted among those you mention that there is no dividing line, no essential difference between micro and macro evolution. The latter is the same as the former just more of it. In any case, by refusing to acknowledge exactly what it is your opponent is arguing for you are not engaging in any debate. All you are doing is taking their arguments and changing them into straw men. For the purposes of this debate, if you wish to continue it here, when we say macroevolution we are talking about the creation of novel cell types, tissue types, organs, and body plans. Write that down. If you insist on changing our arguments to something different, which is neither honest nor constructive, then you won't be allowed to participate.DaveScot
February 28, 2009
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And another thing, if we don’t rule out design a priori then it’s just as reasonable to explain it the other way around - eukaryotic cells preceded bacteria and then a mitochondria broke loose and became free living. Good point, Dave.tribune7
February 28, 2009
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In #46 joseph complained that I do not use the definition of “macroevolution” used by creationists. That’s because I’m an evolutionary biologist. I use the definition of “macroevolution” that is generally accepted by evolutionary biologists and most other scientists. We don’t generally use the definitions coined by people who do not accept the widely accepted principles of the empirical sciences, including such things as empirical verification of hypotheses, statistical testing of experimental results, and the hypothetico-deductive method. And no, I’m not about to adopt an alternative definition coined by people who have neither an understanding of basic science or respect for its traditions.
Then that is the problem. Ya see if you want to refute something you have to do so IN CONTEXT. And failure to do so is dishonest at best. Also exactly what "widely accepted principles of the empirical sciences, including such things as empirical verification of hypotheses, statistical testing of experimental results, and the hypothetico-deductive method" do Creationists reject? Just saying they reject something does NOT make it so. I could EASILY say that you reject the data which demonstrates organisms reproduce like organisms by insisting on universal common descent.Joseph
February 28, 2009
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Endosymbiosis explaining mitochondria is reasonable but it's one helluva long shot from there to a eukaryote nucleus. And another thing, if we don't rule out design a priori then it's just as reasonable to explain it the other way around - eukaryotic cells preceded bacteria and then a mitochondria broke loose and became free living. In any case what concerns us more is the explanation for the molecular machinery that's shared by mitochondria, prokaryotes, and eukaryotes such as the ribosome. Endosymbiosis, and most of biology for that matter, is irrelevant at that point because nothing on this earth is alive and free living without the basic machinery that manufactures proteins from the specifications contained in DNA. One last point, you mention eukaryotic cells without a nucleus. If a cell doesn't have a membrane-bound nucleus then it isn't a eukaryote as that is the definitive taxonomic characteristic which distinguishes eukayotes (plants, animals, protists, and fungi) from prokaryotes (eubacteria and archaea). What are you doing now, Allen, redefining the kingdoms of life into strawmen to better argue against ID? DaveScot
February 28, 2009
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Once again, Lynn Margulis and her colleagues have proposed an empirically testable hypothesis for the origin of the eukaryotic nucleus And if this empirically tested hypothesis should be tested and found to be correct it might pretty much explain how eukaryotes evolved, assuming the hypothesis is all that you say it is. OTOH, what if it fails? Are you able to walk away from it?tribune7
February 27, 2009
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The origin of the nucleus is a knotty problem in evolutionary biology, and is not necessarily the "core" of the argument about the origin of eukaryotic cells. Not all eukaryotic cells have nuclei, and so the question is, what does having a nucleus do for a cell, and do we have any evidence how the eukaryotic nucleus evolved and what role it plays in the life of eukaryotic cells? Once again, Lynn Margulis and her colleagues have proposed an empirically testable hypothesis for the origin of the eukaryotic nucleus, and provided multiple examples of the process of "nuclear envelopement" happening in prokaryotic cells today. You can read about it here:
Margulis, L., Dolan, M., and Whiteside, J. (2005) "Imperfections and oddities" in the origin of the nucleus. In Vrba, E. and Eldredge, N. (2005) Macroevolution: Diversity, Disparity, Contingency - Essays in Honor of Stephen Jay Gould, The Paleontological Society, ISBN 1891276492, pages 175 to 191.
Unfortunately this article is not available online or in electronic form, but you should be able to find it in any decent university library (except, perhaps, Liberty or Oral Roberts "universities"). In the article, Margulis et al provide a detailed hypothesis for the origin of the eukaryotic nucleus, and provide multiple examples illustrating the process, all derived from prokaryotes that exist today. I recommend it to anyone who is genuinely interested in this fascinating topic!Allen_MacNeill
February 27, 2009
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Allen -- Prokaryotes surround us today, not a billion years ago. . . This statement is not supported by empirical evidence. You are misreading my statement. I'm not saying they weren't around a billion years ago. I'm saying they are with us today and it's not unreasonable to ask that we duplicate, and observe, their evolution into organisms with a cell nucleus before accepting serial endosymbiotic theory.tribune7
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In #49 tribune7 wrote:
"And it looks like I’m getting some unexpected support on your blog."
Indeed; unlike some of the past administrators of this blog, I let people who oppose my ideas post quite freely on my blog, so long as they are civil and respect the rules of academic debate, posted here: http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/2009/01/ground-rules-and-moderation-policy.html However, if you'll look a little more closely (I have), you will find that this support isn't exactly "unexpected". It's from commentators on this blog, reposting their comments at mine.Allen_MacNeill
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In #47 joseph wrote:
“They ‘look like’ some bacterial genomes, therefor they came from bacteria.”
You should be perfectly satisfied with this. After all, a common argument made by many commentators on the blog is that "living organisms look like things we know are designed, therefore living organisms must be designed". However, as a scientist, I wouldn't be satisfied by that kind of argument. It's what's known as an "argument from analogy", and is virtually without logical force. You can read more about this here: http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/2009/01/tidac-identity-analogy-and-logical.html On the contrary, the serial endosymbiotic theory (SET) for the origin of eukaryotes is supported by evidence at exactly the other end of the spectrum as "arguments by analogy". There are multiple, independent lines of evidence all supporting the SET, and therefore it can be said to have been verified by consilience, the strongest form of validation for logical propositions that humans have ever invented. For a good non-technical introduction to the SET, I recommend: Margulis, Lynn (1992) Symbiosis in Cell Evolution: Microbial Communities in the Archean and Proterozoic Eons, W.H. Freeman, ISBN 0-7167-7028-8Allen_MacNeill
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In #46 joseph complained that I do not use the definition of "macroevolution" used by creationists. That's because I'm an evolutionary biologist. I use the definition of "macroevolution" that is generally accepted by evolutionary biologists and most other scientists. We don't generally use the definitions coined by people who do not accept the widely accepted principles of the empirical sciences, including such things as empirical verification of hypotheses, statistical testing of experimental results, and the hypothetico-deductive method. And no, I'm not about to adopt an alternative definition coined by people who have neither an understanding of basic science or respect for its traditions.Allen_MacNeill
February 27, 2009
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In #45 tribune7 wrote:
Prokaryotes surround us today, not a billion years ago.
This statement is not supported by empirical evidence. Yes, there are prokaryotes around us today, but there is also abundant direct fossil evidence (and indirect geochemical evidence) indicating that they have been around since about 3.8 billion years ago. tribune7 also wrote:
"It would seem that we should endeavor to find first if it is chemically/physically possible for prokaryotes to merge into eukaryotes, then create the conditions in which such a thing would happen and then, do it."
Again, this statement is not supported by empirical evidence. As I pointed out here http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/2009/02/macroevolution-examples-and-evidence.html this phenomenon has been studied in many organisms. Perhaps the best known is the unicellular protozoan Mixotricha paradoxa, which lives symbiotically in the guts of the Australian termite Mastotermes darwiniensis. First named and described in 1933 by Australian biologist, J. L. Sutherland, Mixotricha paradoxa gets its name from the peculiar “hairs” that cover its surface. Upon microscopic examination, these “hairs” were discovered to be symbiotic bacterium (Treponema spirochetes) similar to spirochaetes. Even closer examination showed that there are four genomically distinct types of endosymbiotic bacteria living inside the cells of Mixotricha paradoxa, where they perform the functions normally carried out by the various organelles of eukaryotes. So, there is abundant empirical evidence for precisely what you specified: the chemical/physical merger of prokaryotes into eukaryotes. My good friend Lynn Margulis, the developer of the serial endosymbiotic theory of the origin of eukaryotes, is clearly a scientist of Nobel Prize caliber. However, there is no Nobel Prize for biology, probably because there was no unified science of biology when Alfred Nobel endowed the prize in 1895. The closest Nobel Prize is the one awarded for Physiology or Medicine, and this prize has indeed been occasionally awarded to evolutionary biologists. For example, the 1973 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Konrad Lorenz, Niko Tinbergen, and Karl von Frisch for their founding of the branch of evolutionary biology now known as ethology. However, there is an equivalent prize for which Lynn has been nominated: the Crafoord Prize. Established in 1980 by Swedish industrialist Holger Crafoord, this prize is intended to promote “international basic research in the disciplines of Astronomy and Mathematics; Geosciences; Biosciences, with particular emphasis on ecology and Polyarthritis (also known as rheumatoid arthritis, from which Holger Crafoord suffered severely)". Like the Nobel Prizes, the Crafoord Prize is administered by the Swedish Academy of Sciences and awarded by the king of Sweden. Since 1980 the Crafoord Prize has been awarded to many prominent evolutionary biologists, including Daniel H. Janzen (1984); Paul Erhlich and Edward O. Wilson (1990); William D. Hamilton (1993); Robert M. May (1996); Ernst Mayr, John Maynard Smith, and George C. Williams (1999); Carl Woese (2003); and Robert L. Trivers (2007). Lynn Margulis has been nominated repeatedly for the Crafoord Prize, and since she is still actively pursuing her research and publishing, I’m confident it will eventually be awarded to her for her revolutionary work in evolutionary biology.Allen_MacNeill
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Hey Allen, yes, Jefferson and I are both creationists :-) And it looks like I'm getting some unexpected support on your blog.tribune7
February 27, 2009
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tribune7, You have been identified as a creationist by Allen MacNeill. http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/2009/02/did.html#linksjerry
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Endosymbiosis for the origin of mitochondria and chloroplasts can be summed up as: "They 'look like' some bacterial genomes, therefor they came from bacteria."Joseph
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Allen, You have wrongly claimed that Creationists insist on the "fixity of species". Not only that you use a definition of "macro-evolution" that not even YEcs argue against. You have been told this already and you still continue the practice. What's up with that? Is erecting strawman after strawman the only way you discuss things?Joseph
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Allen -- If by “observed”, one means directly observed, then of course the answer is “no”. As far as we can tell, this probably happened more than a billion years ago. But if only things that have been directly observed are valid, then virtually all of science, if not almost all human intellectual endeavors, are invalid and pointless. But we are not talking history. We are talking biology. Prokaryotes surround us today, not a billion years ago. It would seem that we should endeavor to find first if it is chemically/physically possible for prokaryotes to merge into eukaryotes, then create the conditions in which such a thing would happen and then, do it. That would pretty much end the debate as to how eukaryotes evolved from prokaryotes and you would get yourself a Nobel prize. But since this has not been done despite the ability to plan for it, it seems unwise to assume that it happened by accident. And that's not saying it didn't or couldn't have happened that way, just pointing out that declaring so is unwarranted.tribune7
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Re #39: Upright BiPed, I'd be glad to continue that conversation with Allen MacNeill. Dr. MacNeill discontinued that conversation, I thought temporarily, because everyone in his family had caught a flu bug or something. But he never returned to it. If he wishes to, I'm ready, and eager for a reply to my last post on that other thread. Thanks for thinking of me. T.Timaeus
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