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_{Barry Arrington

March 24, 2022

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The quote of the day comes from commenter AaronS1978. In a comment to my last post, Aaron brings to our attention MMA fighter Fallon Fox, a man posing as a woman and fighting in the woman’s division. He has smashed the faces of multiple woman. Aaron writes that in our brave new world:

beating the crap out of a woman is OK as long as you think you’re a woman

Where are the feminists?

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SA, you will see Siger of Brabant -- who clashed with TA -- and one certain William of Occam there. Renaissance is pivotal in following the line of humanism, the reformation was in the key part a refocus on scripture as key. Enlightenment comes after 150 years of war and polarisation over religion with no one looking good. Nominalism is part of the frame but not all, I think the one and many challenge is key and recall this includes good vs evils; nature vs grace was just one, early form, the underlying is Thales' one and many. That also speaks to hinduism etc. Rise of skepticism and the notion it is an intellectual VIRTUE is also relevant, leading to deism and rise of atheism, where Darwin -- but not Wallace -- fed the atheistical trend. Early modern science and the concept thinking God's thoughts after him is worth pondering.. I think we need to think in terms of the civil peace of justice, due balance of rights, freedoms, duties, which respects individual, family and community, with due role for govt. Of course Cicero saw key things on built in naturally evident law. Then the 7 mtns allows us to think structurally now as does the geostrat picture. KFkairosfocus_{April 2, 2022
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KF @231 That is a helpful sketch. I agree with Schaeffer’s line from the 1800s "downward". You and I disagree on the progression from the 600 years after Aquinas - for example, William of Ockham split with Thomistic ideas, leading to the split of nature and grace as you indicated. He was a Nominalist along with Abelard which broke apart philosophical realism - from that, it's the primacy of the individual and subjectivism ... directly to Calvin and Luther, and that's what I see at the root of the Enlightenment - Decartes, Locke, Hume, Kant - and picking up the Line of Despair from the 1800s.Silver Asiatic_{April 2, 2022
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Ram You're probably right that we don't have much choice against those types. So, we have to do something. But in the bigger picture, the radical left took over the universities and entertainment and media and everybody just went along with how they redefined everything. So, now they control the dialogue and nobody knows what a woman is anymore. This site (and the DI) is part of the alternative media where at least we don't get silenced for speaking the truth.Silver Asiatic_{April 2, 2022
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Since it's pretty clear that there is no real point in my trying to honestly and seriously reply to your many queries because I'll only be derided and made fun of. Seriously, if you're just going to make fun why bother to ask the questions in the first place? Just to make yourselves feel good: yup, those evo-tards really are that stupid. In the future please indicate whether or not you intend on at least being respectful. Can you do that at least?JVL_{April 2, 2022
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SA: We can just refer to people as men or women. You obviously haven't been on a university campus in a while. Or Disneyland. The radical leftoids will argue, deny and deflect all day about what a "woman" is. But they can't do that with when you get to basic facts of chromosomes and anatomy. Penises and vaginas. Ovary packers and ovary lackers. XX and XY. It's that simple. It works like a charm against the radical leftoid attempts at perverting the language. --RAMram_{April 2, 2022
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SA, you raise an interesting question on roots and history of ideas. I have actually found an adaptation and extension of Francis Schaeffer's Line of Despair concept and sketch is helpful, along with several related ideas: https://uncommondescent.com/philosophy/francis-schaeffers-line-of-despair-model-of-our-civilisations-intellectual-history/ KFkairosfocus_{April 2, 2022
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Ram It's starting to seem like you enjoy posting a certain word. I think we got your point. But also, I suggest that it's simpler than that. We can just refer to people as men or women. We don't need to reference their anatomy. Men should never infringe on womens' spaces because they want to be good men and be respectful of women. Women should not want to go into mens' locker rooms to interview sports stars while they are taking a shower either. That was a feminist trick. Supposedly, all men should be fine with having a woman come into their locker room (or sleep in their military barracks) because supposedly only women would be offended by that kind of intrusion of privacy. I know a lot of men who disagree.Silver Asiatic_{April 2, 2022
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LCD
“I support the curent thing and endorse whatever stupid thing my government do. Why ? Because otherwise I will be marginalised, punished and I couldn’t exercise my virtue signalling to feel myself an atheist saint. This would be the end for me and my atheistic worldview. “
It started out that they wanted to do whatever the woke, hipster, Gnostic-celebrity cult would tell them so that they could be part of the cult themselves, and therefore gain all of the benefits of being a member. They wanted to be the ones laughing along with the late-night comedians and not the ones being laughed at. But it has changed. Now, you don't only lose membership in Club Cool, but you will be punished and people will hate you and blame you for all of the evils in the world..Silver Asiatic_{April 2, 2022
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Again, I remind everyone... No penises in non-penis spaces. Period. The vast majority of non-penis holders are very uncomfortable with penis-holders invading their non-penis spaces. Be respectful and go where penises are welcome. There are lots of those spaces. It really is that simple. Thank you in advance. --RAMram_{April 2, 2022
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JVL
You can speculate all you like but you don’t live here and you don’t experience things here on a daily basis. There is no civilisation crisis. None.
I know quite a lot of people in England, Ireland, Netherlands, Germany, France and Italy (a belong to an international organization and communicate with them) -- and they disagree with you strongly. They tell me it is a serious crisis and their viewpoint is oppressed with hostility.
We are not shooting at each other anymore.
That's good at least in the Irish situation but I don't know if immigration from Islamic nations is necessarily yielding the peace that some would want or expect either.
Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union everything west of Russia and Belarus (with the recent exception of Ukraine) has been very, very good. If Europe is crumbling it’s hiding it well.
Western Europe and USA need to take responsibility to some extent for that war. Thinking, for example, that NATO played no role in it is blindness. A move from the most peaceful time in the history of Europe to a nuclear war that could annihilate entire nations is not more than a few steps away.Silver Asiatic_{April 2, 2022
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"I support the curent thing and endorse whatever stupid thing my government do. Why ? Because otherwise I will be marginalised, punished and I couldn't exercise my virtue signalling to feel myself an atheist saint. This would be the end for me and my atheistic worldview. " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nENkNMvckak PS: I guess this is a kind of perversion that mimics free will of woke society but in fact there is no free will for woke types it's like you should agree EXACTLY what the the government says on legacy media or...highway. But was their choice to give up their own free will for the sake of wokeism party.Lieutenant Commander Data_{April 2, 2022
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Silver Asiatic: Some will think that Europe is doing well, but what has happened is that traditional Christian culture has been suppressed, so the “peace” is accomplished through hostility, and that’s never going to last long. Take a look at the far-right emergence in so-called peaceful and tolerant European nations and we’ll see how the backlash emerges. The peace is not accomplished through hostility! This is just not true. I don't think you guys understand what it's like in western Europe. Even the Church of England is generally in support of what you might call alternate lifestyles. The far-right groups (which do exist, I won't deny that) are primarily focused on preventing immigration, i.e. they are more racist than anti-trans. You can speculate all you like but you don't live here and you don't experience things here on a daily basis. There is no civilisation crisis. None. We're all fine. We have free and fair elections, we have decent homes and wifi. We have very good health care and social care. We are not shooting at each other anymore. We do not have widespread civil unrest and discord. Europe is at its most peaceful EVER. And, the western part anyway, has been that way for decades. Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union everything west of Russia and Belarus (with the recent exception of Ukraine) has been very, very good. If Europe is crumbling it's hiding it well.JVL_{April 2, 2022
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Replying to several of Vivid's comments at once ...
While others focus on the horse KF focuses on who opened the door? Because if you don’t close that barn door and find who opened the door were all going to get trampled in the stampede.
True. It's not about trying to blame people, but rather, learning about who opened the door to the chaos because they will continue to damage our society in even worse and more destructive ways. Already they want to destroy the innocence of children in classrooms (this is the group that denies that a pregnant woman is carrying a baby so destroying children's lives is part of it).
JVL I don’t think you appreciate how angry moms are regarding this abusive behavior targeting their children.
This is hopeful because angry moms have more power than we might think. It wasn't the moms' fault (although many of them tolerate gay marriage and then wonder why there is gender confusion) and if the right to protect one's own children is taken away, there aren't many privacy rights left.
My advice to them was this. As hard as it is for them with their jobs and raising children they must become activists, they should focus on one thing and one thing only, the school board. They must vote out the current school board members who are abusing their children.
That's a good suggestion. Put laser-like focus on cleaning up the schools. The problem with our participatory democracy is that is requires people to be active in all these public affairs. So, families that spend time caring for their children lose a voice unless they're activists (where do they get the time?). So, the anti-family coalition have time and resources to play in the political arena and they run unchecked. This is how the gay-lobby got so much power. They have two incomes, no kids and can build networks and spend lots of time and money on politics. Meanwhile, families with kids get pushed around and manipulated.
I’m not afraid at all but I am very sad to watch Western Civilization commit suicide. It is beyond decadent, it’s crumbling, the center is not holding.
That's true. At the same time, I look to certain causes of the suicide and I see that they cannot survive themselves. The truth will win out, although it can cost a lot of suffering. I see a rebirth of good things amid the rubble. I also, taking your advice of researching "who" or "what" was responsible for the suicide - trace it back in history and see where the decadent forces came in. Western civilization became strong because of some principles and beliefs, and is now collapsing because of the loss of those. I take a different starting point than (I think) you and KF and most others, but I still lament the breakdown of Europe and North America.
I have first hand experience that if you don’t agree with the dominant narrative that men who think they are women are women your job is indeed in jeopardy.
People wonder "what harm is it?" - but if we have our society simply willing to accept a blatan lie and illusion (these are people who think the idea of God is a fairy tale) - when you stop believing in God you start believing in nonsense. But it's not benign nonsense. People will be persecuted for these lies (as they are already) and childrens' lives damaged. It's child abuse and a complete distortion of reality presented as the new religious doctrine. Not to mention, that trust in public authority will continue to decline, as it is for the mainstream media. Then people have to seek other media outlets that support the truth - so society fractures. Some will think that Europe is doing well, but what has happened is that traditional Christian culture has been suppressed, so the "peace" is accomplished through hostility, and that's never going to last long. Take a look at the far-right emergence in so-called peaceful and tolerant European nations and we'll see how the backlash emerges.Silver Asiatic_{April 2, 2022
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On culture and colour revolutions see here https://uncommondescent.com/logic-and-first-principles-of-right-reason/l-fp-49-the-reichstag-fire-panic-lesson-on-agit-prop-and-lawfare/ Take particular note on McFaul's critique of Ukraine c 2005, in the State Dept archives as excerpted, also the SOCOM insurgency escalator.kairosfocus_{April 2, 2022
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JVL, The problem remains (as you imply), that is why we need sound, lawful government; which is being eroded. And, we are dealing with a power backed agenda of abuses and usurpations clearly designed to pervert, benumb and dehumanise, undermining lawfulness and soundness. Projections to the outsider treated as a threat boil down to confession by projection. As for the state of our civilisation, the fact that the by far worst holocaust in history proceeds at a million more victims per week while many pretend all is well is enough answer. In actuality, we have been in a slow burn, 4th gen so far low kinetic global war with the US colour revolution push and civil war as a theatre of operations with intent to defang the power most able to stop the global agenda. The US Navy, alas, is all we have left to hold the line, the Royal Navy having retired. I have already pointed out that power backed untruth is the gateway to injustice and you know that technology enabled surveillance state makes for a far tighter grip on power for lawless oligarchy. KFkairosfocus_{April 2, 2022
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Kairosfocus: Criminals and the violent insane or sexually addicted who become sexual predators — here we just locked up a former Chief Minister and prominent lawyer — are not deterred or restrained by community conversations. That's been true as far back as humans have existed. When communities are twisted into pushing power backed untruth, they are already well down the slippery slope of injustice under lawless ideological oligarchy. Think, 1984. The novel 1984 by Eric Blair was more concerned with surveillance and those in power staying in power. I don't think the few trans-individuals are spying on anyone or going for a power grab. We are now invited — intimidated actually — to deny the manifest facts of sex determination by the XY system. No, you are just being asked to be kind and understanding to some of your fellow human beings who honestly experience gender dysphoria, a documented and recognised psychological condition. You said we should treat those with ambiguous physical sexual presentation with the best medical care and understanding. Well, that's all anyone is asking you to do with those with gender dysphoria. Did you see the course of events in various colour revolutions over recent decades? Ukraine, Egypt and increasingly clearly the USA spring to mind. I have no idea what you mean by 'colour' revolutions. Surely you cannot be drawing parallels between the Ukraine and the US? If you are then you'd best spell them out 'cause I just don't get it. There was a fairly small riot on Jan 6, 2021, no excuse for that and proper safeguards ahead of time were inexcusably rejected by Congressional leadership, I only point to that there is evidence of agent provocateur as an aspect also. There certainly was a lack of decent and normal policing but I heard it was partially rejected by the office of the President who could also, credibly, be consider a provoker. Those people really believed President Trump's claims, they really listened to him when he said they can't be weak, they have to show strength. I'm surprised he was brought up on charges of treason. But when ruthless powers get their hands on an agit prop Many would say that fits President Trump quite nicely. From Summer of 2020, I have come to the view that the US has been in a low kinetic, agit prop, street theatre and lawfare heavy 4th generation civil war using dirty colour revolution tactics and Mao’s Red Guard coup approaches, since about 2017. Yes, I know you think that; you've said as much over and over and over and over again. That doesn't mean you're right, not about the US or about the rest of the world. You look at every single bit of conflict and claim evidence . . . what about the vast majority of the US population who, a vast majority of the time are going about doing their jobs, taking care of their children, mowing their lawns, going on holiday when they can afford it, shouting at their favourite football team on Sunday, voting, etc. It's a strange kind of civil breakdown I think. Part of why I say this, is I am an eyewitness to a similar but more kinetic civil war from 1976 to 80 in my native land. I know what red guard tactics, agit prop, street theatre, lawfare, media manipulation, Communist subversion, denial of unfolding shadow war etc look like because I lived through same. Sure, you were there, at the time. But you don't live in the US, you don't live in Europe. You pick up on some news stories and some interpretations of news stories and you project your own personal experiences outward. You, personally, probably find it really difficult not to do so. But that doesn't make your projection true. Civilisation is NOT crumbling. In Western Europe, in Canada, in Australia, in New Zealand, in Japan even in some Central and South American countries it's just fine. Africa . . . I'm just glad I don't live there. Eastern Europe . . . until the Russian bear is caged that's going to be a problem but the problem comes from an external source NOT the permissive policies within the satellite countries. China still wants to push its weight around but seems to accept that it has be done more subtly. The fundamentalist Islamic states are pretty horrid but they are so bad at technology and modern anything I don't think they are threatening our civilised countries. Besides, the recent Russian invasion in Ukraine has pointed out that the civilised countries in the world can band together and lock out the countries who are causing problems. I'd say civilisation is better off now than it's ever been. I live in a continent that for millennia every so often some nation decided to kill a bunch of their neighbours in other countries. West of the Russian block that's ended now and there is ZERO indication that will ever happen again. When has that ever been true before in any such large region in the world? Never.JVL_{April 2, 2022
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JVL, rabbit trail. KFkairosfocus_{April 2, 2022
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Vividbleau & Kairosfocus: During the American Civil War there are documented cases of woman saying they were men so that they could fight. They dressed like men, they try to act like men, they ate with men, slept in the same tents, used the same privies. If you were there at the time (not now, not with your current perspective) how would you have treated them if you found them out? Does it matter that it was women choosing to pretend to be men? Would it be that much different if a man during that same conflict didn't want to fight so pretended/acted/presented as a women? Is all fair in war but not otherwise? As long as it's temporary it's okay? Is allowing that kind of gender-bending not the first step onto the slippery slope you envision?JVL_{April 2, 2022
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Vividbleau: So I am clear we are back to your answer to what is a woman is anyone who claims title correct? You seem unhealthily concerned with my personal opinion which has no influence or effect just about anywhere. Sigh. As far as I am concerned if someone wants to call themselves a woman and they are not doing it out of intent to harm or manipulate or cheat then it's fine with me. If your head hurts perhaps you should have a nice walk in a forest. Clear your head a bit.JVL_{April 2, 2022
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The big dogs speak about pushing big changes https://www.facebook.com/GlennBeck/videos/677097893613229/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&ref=sharing World Govertnment Summit 2022 opening with Klaus Schwab. Some Economist and apparently 2nd gen advisor to US Presidents talks of blockchain based digital currency giving an almost perfect record of every transaction in the economy. Surveillance and control, censorship social credit state, here we come. Fools, demonically deluded fools.kairosfocus_{April 2, 2022
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F/N: On the Reichstag Fire https://uncommondescent.com/logic-and-first-principles-of-right-reason/l-fp-49-the-reichstag-fire-panic-lesson-on-agit-prop-and-lawfare/kairosfocus_{April 2, 2022
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JVL, 1: Criminals and the violent insane or sexually addicted who become sexual predators -- here we just locked up a former Chief Minister and prominent lawyer -- are not deterred or restrained by community conversations. 2: When communities are twisted into pushing power backed untruth, they are already well down the slippery slope of injustice under lawless ideological oligarchy. Think, 1984. 3: JVL, it is happening and many are led to imagine that enabling untruth is the right thing to do or at least the safe thing personally. Burke was right that what is needed to enable evil to triumph is for the good to stand by. After Nazi Germany and the USSR, we should have learned. As for various agendas and impositions under colour of law, there are no nine sided hexagons. We are now invited -- intimidated actually -- to deny the manifest facts of sex determination by the XY system. We are not grouper fish, which do change sex, biological reproduction is based on complementary sexes, marriage is based on our biology and requisites of child development with a dimension of civilising the males of our species and more. The human male is the most dangerous predator to walk this planet, ever. 4: Did you see the course of events in various colour revolutions over recent decades? Ukraine, Egypt and increasingly clearly the USA spring to mind. 5: There was a fairly small riot on Jan 6, 2021, no excuse for that and proper safeguards ahead of time were inexcusably rejected by Congressional leadership, I only point to that there is evidence of agent provocateur as an aspect also. Where, even violent criminals much less minor offenders, for cause, have rights and protections in the legal and police systems . . . now being patently eroded through the process is the punishment amplified by media lynching. . In 1933 there was arson at the Reichstag, I believe it was one demented youth. But when ruthless powers get their hands on an agit prop and lawfare opportunity, a Reichstag fire becomes a vast conspiracy of overthrow that leads to show trials and a panicked government passing an enabling act. A small riot, comparable to others in the same place and nowhere near a summer of Red Guards running riot and being enabled by media and pols, was suddenly an INSURRECTION -- manifestly false -- and has been used to hound and target people in destructive ways, while eroding further civil protections. 6: From Summer of 2020, I have come to the view that the US has been in a low kinetic, agit prop, street theatre and lawfare heavy 4th generation civil war using dirty colour revolution tactics and Mao's Red Guard coup approaches, since about 2017. Dirty colour revolution tactics include -- and Ukraine is a specific example duly entered in the US Congress Archives -- correspondence voting as a means of twisting election outcomes. At this point, the only credibly sound elections are based on in person, validated ID, dip thumb in indelible UV ink, paper ballot voting, counted by hand with proper close at hand multiple scrutineers. The net result is, loss of legitimacy of officialdom, elected, civil service, judicial, policing etc. The media are by and large tainted and the techno oligarchs have imposed censorship and social credit systems. Do not overlook Mr Trudeau's tactics recently, it is not just the US. And we are seeing fatal disaffection crouching at the door. 7: Part of why I say this, is I am an eyewitness to a similar but more kinetic civil war from 1976 to 80 in my native land. I know what red guard tactics, agit prop, street theatre, lawfare, media manipulation, Communist subversion, denial of unfolding shadow war etc look like because I lived through same. A generation later, that land still reels from the chaos just as France spent C19 in recovery from its revolution. 8: De Nile is a river in Egypt. KFkairosfocus_{April 2, 2022
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JVL “That’s the best answer I have I’m afraid” The answer you gave was that a woman is anyone who claims title to being a woman. Then you said that’s not what you meant. Now your saying that’s is what you meant. My head hurts. So I am clear we are back to your answer to what is a woman is anyone who claims title correct? Vividvividbleau_{April 2, 2022
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Vividbleau: From the article you linked to:
The FBI has responded to all this by saying that it “has never been in the business of investigating parents who speak out or policing speech at school board meetings, and we are not going to start now,” and that it remains “fully committed to preserving and protecting First Amendment rights, including freedom of speech.”
And the article hints that there is some question in its assertion: look at the title of the article . . . "Are parents being tagged . . ." IF it is happening then it should be looked at. But it seems that the case has not been shown, yet. Keep in mind the FBI tried to orchestrate a silent coup against a duly elected President. Which president? If you mean President Trump in 2020 may I point out that no court and no US government organisation of any kind has endorsed the idea that the election was stolen. You choose to believe it was but isn't your actual evidence just hearsay and people like President Trump who, on the record, called officials in Georgia to beg them to find more votes? You can't just keep saying: the lack of evidence is evidence. I have first hand experience that if you don’t agree with the dominant narrative that men who think they are women are women your job is indeed in jeopardy. Not my job. Nor is anyone's job in Europe that I am aware of. It seems to me that the US is currently struggling to figure out how to learn to accommodate some widely varying points of view; a difficult project especially when some people say it's their way or no way. And yes, I appreciate that that point can apply to both 'sides'. My point is that there are no 'sides'. You guys, all of you, just need to learn to set aside your anger and fear and find some workable compromises. OR you can riot in the streets, shout at each other, name and shame each other, build gated communities, etc. Your country, your call.JVL_{April 2, 2022
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https://www.portlandhomeschoolingresources.com https://www.powerhomeschool.org/homeschooling-by-state/oregon/ https://www.oregon.gov/ode/learning-options/HomeSchool/Pages/default.aspx https://portlandreloguide.com/homeschooling-in-oregon/ Some of the above websites have links to other resources and organisations. It sounds like there is lots of help and places that can greatly facilitate those who want to home school. As you can see the state has a clearly defined procedure to follow as well. As I said, I have personal experience of some excellent home schooled students in the Tacoma area and I would encourage anyone who is unhappy with their local public schools to at least look into the options available to themselves.JVL_{April 2, 2022
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Kairosfocus: Recall, power backed untruth is a gateway to injustice. (Notice what Vivid is reporting on a city in the US). I have a friend who lives in the same city and their impressions are much different. I, personally, cannot affirm or deny either version but I do note that they exist. It is obvious that you have not noticed how it has come up in the US Congress that parents raising questions about school boards were targetted or potentially targetted by the FBI. All it takes is a bit of agit prop that gets you as target of accusations. The US has poor protection against defamation, that is implicit background. It's true I am not fully aware of everything that goes on in the US but I am not aware that any parent has been forced out of their jobs or hauled off to jail. I would expect the FBI to track individuals they thought might be violent or had made threats to others, not saying any of those things were true. Without knowing the details of any particular case all I can do is speculate which is just about worthless, obviously. Home schooling can be a serious challenge, support groups notwithstanding. It is a major lifestyle commitment and for decades, alternative schools have been targetted by activists and too often officialdom. The ability to twist schools into indoctrination centres is too central to the obvious long train of abuses and usurpations. Yes, it is a serious and long-term challenge and commitment. I have known families who have done it very successfully with the help of an excellent network in the Tacoma area. I suspect such a thing exists in Portland as well. If I were a parent who would consider such a thing I would certainly spend some time seeing if something like that exists.JVL_{April 2, 2022
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JVL Yes really https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/are-parents-being-tagged-domestic-terrorists-the-fbi-justice Keep in mind the FBI tried to orchestrate a silent coup against a duly elected President. I have first hand experience that if you don’t agree with the dominant narrative that men who think they are women are women your job is indeed in jeopardy. Vividvividbleau_{April 2, 2022
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Kairosfocus: degree of threat is directly related to context, and general removal of the ladies room as a safe space by allowing men to effectively access at will under colours of a patently false to fact identity is — as you must know — an invitation to trouble. The activists and their backers also know this, so we must reckon it a part of power backed untruth intended to impose injustice. I would say that communities need to have conversations about things and everyone who has a concern should take the time to let their views be heard. By the way, I know quite a few women who don't like using public toilets because they are just not that clean. I suspect a lot of women don't use public toilets unless absolutely necessary. this is what the crumbling of the BATNA of lawfulness looks like, leading to a slide into lawless ideological oligarchy But it's just not happening! Have you been to Europe with its national health care systems, its widespread tolerance for same-sex couples and trans-sex people, etc? You are aware that, even now, most police officers in the UK do not carry a firearm? The crumbling anarchy you claim to see is just not happening. Could it be that you see chaos and anarchy in countries that seem to need a firmer hand whereas other, older societies have learned how to get along with each other a bit better? Don;t forget, we already saw red guard mobs in the street, with obvious backing and we have seen a reichstag fire agitprop and lawfare incident (with the latest being a man hounded into suicide, the gestapo and kangaroo courts don’t have to come to your door at 4 am to be effective). Not where I live. Not many places in Europe. By the way, the hounding can cut both ways. There are cases of homosexual individuals being shamed and hounded to death. There are cases of overweight girls trying to commit suicide because of online harassment. Do you endorse groups like the Westboro Baptist Church which love naming and shaming those they disagree with? Do you endorse President Trump when he talks about grabbing women in their privates? Do you endorse those who stormed the US Capitol building on January 6th, 2021 chanting they wanted to hang some duly elected public officials and trashing public facilities? Do you think, even as a reaction to perceived slights, that such behaviour is ever justified? I suppose you would say yes IF someone really believed that the 2020 election was stolen . . . but that never was shown to be true was it? If it was stolen then why did President Trump, on the record, phone the officials of Georgia to beg them to find some more votes, somehow. Was that the method or procedure of a lawful and sensible person? You have your opinion and you have a forum on which you can proclaim your opinion and give support for it. You are not censored or raided or hauled off to jail. It would be easy enough to arrange if someone really wanted to. But that's not happening is it? This forum has been around for over 15 years now with no legal or state-sponsored retaliation or censorship for its participants. Not for what they say and do here anyway.JVL_{April 1, 2022
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JVL, as you are commenting in an open forum, I too will respond: 1: That our civilisation is being dragged into disputes like what is a woman, in the teeth of not only obvious facts but science in evidence is a strong sign that foundations are being deliberately eroded by the jacobins. 2: Recall, power backed untruth is a gateway to injustice. (Notice what Vivid is reporting on a city in the US). 3: It is obvious that you have not noticed how it has come up in the US Congress that parents raising questions about school boards were targetted or potentially targetted by the FBI. All it takes is a bit of agit prop that gets you as target of accusations. The US has poor protection against defamation, that is implicit background. 4: This leads to the notorious chilling effect. And for your typical, indebted, mortgaged person, just an implied risk is more than enough to get that going. 5: Home schooling can be a serious challenge, support groups notwithstanding. It is a major lifestyle commitment and for decades, alternative schools have been targetted by activists and too often officialdom. The ability to twist schools into indoctrination centres is too central to the obvious long train of abuses and usurpations. KF PS, A commenter on what can happen in a the process is the punishment judicial system:
Just a little education for the people who don't know what happens after an arrest: 1. You are arrested. 2. You will sit in a jail for sometimes as long as 3 years. That is the average time now. 3. You can get bond. Maybe. If you do, you will have to pony up on average between $10,000 to $100,000. 4. You will be put on work restrictions while on bond. Your house can be raided. 5. You will more than likely lose your job. 6. You will have to hire a lawyer on retainer and that is not cheap. 7. Over the course of the aforementioned 3 years before your trial, the DA will threaten you with bogus charges. 8. By the time you get in a courtroom, you are broke, tired and suffering from PTSD really. 9. You will plead out. 99.97% of all people do. I see this scenario over and over and over and over again. That is the real world. Not what you see in the news or on TV or in articles that idiots write on news sites. You better have deep pockets if you think you will win in an American courtroom. Very deep pockets.
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Vividbleau: Fair enough however that means you have not yet answered my question which you said you would do “what is a woman”? That's the best answer I have I'm afraid. My comment about not taking gender identities seriously was (mostly) directed at some of the really goofy ones on that list. I do believe that the case for some situations has been established. Regardless, I still don't see how it affects me or my family. It’s not about values it’s about embracing non reality. I don't think you've made your case that western civilisation is crumbling. You should spend some time in Europe sometime. They are afraid they will lose their jobs and be put on a terrorist watch list, this is Portland we are talking about. I'm sorry, I have a hard time taking that fear seriously. Just for attending board meetings, having your say and putting forward candidates? Really? Your right home schooling and moving is not possible. I would check on home schooling support groups. They might find it's easier than they thought. I am personally aware of networks in the Tacoma area that, in the past, helped parents who wanted to home school by finding and sharing teachers and homes.JVL_{April 1, 2022
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