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_{Barry Arrington

March 24, 2022

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The quote of the day comes from commenter AaronS1978. In a comment to my last post, Aaron brings to our attention MMA fighter Fallon Fox, a man posing as a woman and fighting in the woman’s division. He has smashed the faces of multiple woman. Aaron writes that in our brave new world:

beating the crap out of a woman is OK as long as you think you’re a woman

Where are the feminists?

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Sc, you were warned and you know that your remarks were over the line for a reasonable public space, are slander, and are without merit; mark crossing the line into being a clear troll. We can infer that you are concluding that this latest sock puppet has outlived its usefulness. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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KF: Sc, you are being abusive and over the line with snide and utterly unnecessary, uncivil commentary. This is your single warning. KF
Does this mean that you won’t be posting any pictures of yourself in leather. :) seriously, you have to grow a sense of humour.
Do, tell us, if genetics and bodily form are no longer objectively decisive,<
When you can adequately address why the brain structure and activity of transgendered more resemble that of the gender they identify as than their chromosomal sex, I may respond to you. Until then, I will simply conclude that you are being evasive.
Meanwhile, you are ducking and side stepping the contrast between XY chromosome sex determination of humans from conception (with rare abnormalities) and groupers which actually do change sex.
Actually, I prefer clown fish, that are all born male, and only the largest, most aggressive one in the group become female. I have a couple in my aquarium. Or the sea turtle, who’s sex is determined by the temperature of the sand in which they are incubated. The point is that we are not defined by the presence, or lack, of a penis. There are billions of factors involved in making us who we are. The fact that you think we are constrained by a bit of dangling flesh says more about you than it does about me.Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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Sc, you are being abusive and over the line with snide and utterly unnecessary, uncivil commentary. This is your single warning. KF PS, of course, you deny and seek to obfuscate. The absurdities with just a few that make a sort of demented sense, speak for themselves. What part of, I first met these off line in a serious policy context do you fail to understand? What part of, the implications of substituting, an engineered capture of a grammatical term, gender, then substituting psycho social relativism and subjectivism, is so hard to predict? What part of, when you find it hard to tell between satire and reality is failing to tell you we are off the rails? Do, tell us, if genetics and bodily form are no longer objectively decisive, what reasonable basis have you to object to proposed dozens of genders, each demanding to be recognised as it wills and expecting others to lie habitually? Answer, plainly, none. Meanwhile, you are ducking and side stepping the contrast between XY chromosome sex determination of humans from conception (with rare abnormalities) and groupers which actually do change sex. As for the FSCO/I challenge and islands of function gaps pointing to design, yet again . . .kairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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SA keep in mind that Scamp et al don’t give a crap about women or women’s rights. Once you understand that everything comes into focus.
To think that a man can just put on some nail polish and make-up and expect the whole world to think he's a woman is really insulting to women. Being a true woman comes with a lot of sacrifice and effort. Our world does not like feminine virtues because they cut against a lot of the ugly things we look for. And that just shows how foolish we are as a society. A lot of men have hatred for women (which is a Satanic impulse) and they'll just say "you want to be equivalent to a man, go ahead!" - and they'll even want women to be drafted into active combat. A civilized world protects women from such things - especially caring for mothers with infants who are vulnerable.
Scamp says he does not think men who think they are women should participate in women’s sports.
People who say such things are considered "far right extremists", but I give Scamp credit for being sensible on this. At the same time, the world is shifting to this insane idea that men who think they are women should be praised for defeating a team of real women. That's what we should fight against.Silver Asiatic_{March 31, 2022
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SA “But I grew up around some very great women who I loved and who were strong in character and would never tolerate being degraded the way we do to women these days. “ SA keep in mind that Scamp et al don’t give a crap about women or women's rights. Once you understand that everything comes into focus. Scamp says he does not think men who think they are women should participate in women's sports. He evidently is not aware that that would break the law and we know how much he is a stickler about obeying the law . Vividvividbleau_{March 31, 2022
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SA: But I grew up around some very great women who I loved and who were strong in character and would never tolerate being degraded the way we do to women these days. They also were not feminists or progressives at all.
I would argue that they were feminists. If they were strong and wouldn’t tolerate degradation, they were feminists.
Feminism, then to gay marriage where people pretend to be spouses and transgenderism is just another step down
How do you see that? Love of others should always be encouraged. If two men want to marry, I will buy them flowers and wish them well. If a transgender wants to make it public I will ask, how can I help?. I really don’t see what is wrong with this.Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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I was taught by my parents and family and church that it's a man's duty to show great respect to women and do extra to honor them - mothers and spouses and to uphold feminine virtue. We shouldn't force women to feel they need to act like men and not to tease or play with emotions as boys will tend to do. But I grew up around some very great women who I loved and who were strong in character and would never tolerate being degraded the way we do to women these days. They also were not feminists or progressives at all. They love being women with their unique qualities and demand that is respected. That worked for them. The good men in my family would never dream of the kind of disrespect that we see today. Those guys, not college educated, but were true gentlemen. It's a two way street, of course - feminists brought a lot of this down upon us, but weak men permitted it so they could indulge their lusts and live without responsibility. Feminism, then to gay marriage where people pretend to be spouses and transgenderism is just another step down.Silver Asiatic_{March 31, 2022
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JVL “So, I guess, for me, a woman is who ever wants to claim the title. It doesn’t affect me in any way that I can discern.” Of course not you are I believe you are a man but it effects women and it effects me because it effects my family.For all the talk about not wanting men who think they are women to participate in sports that would be in direct opposition to title IX and against the law. “https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-education-confirms-title-ix-protects-students-discrimination-based-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity “The U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights today issued a Notice of Interpretation explaining that it will enforce Title IX's prohibition on discrimination on the basis of sex to include: (1) discrimination based on sexual orientation; and (2) discrimination based on gender identity” So now not only are women's privacy rights violated but title IX which women fought so hard over are being gutted. But it doesn’t affect you so all is right in the world. Vividvividbleau_{March 31, 2022
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JVL “Kairosfocus: This is patent absurdity. I’ve got to agree with you there” Given your position that one’s gender is that which one chooses it to be I have no idea why you think it’s absurd? It’s no more absurd than “a woman is who ever wants to claim the title” Vividvividbleau_{March 31, 2022
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JVL: Naughty, naughty Kairosfocus! Perhaps a good spanking is in order!!
Now I have this image of leather clad seniors administering homo-erotic spankings to KF. And him enjoying them. I don’t think I will sleep well tonight.Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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Kairosfocus: This is patent absurdity. I've got to agree with you there. Perhaps that Facebook page is all just a joke. And you're trying to deflect attention from the previous topic. Naughty, naughty Kairosfocus! Perhaps a good spanking is in order!!JVL_{March 31, 2022
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Kairosfocus Libragender: a gender that feels agender but has a strong connection to another gender Magigender: a gender that is mostly gender and the rest is something else Mascfluid: A gender that is fluid in nature, and restricted only to masculine genders Mascgender: a non-binary gender which is masculine in nature. Maverique: taken from the word maverick; the feeling of having a gender that is separate from masculinity, femininity, and neutrality, but is not agender; a form of third gender Mirrorgender: a gender that changes to fit the people around you Molligender: a gender that is soft, subtle, and subdued Multigender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand omnigender Nanogender: feeling a small part of one gender with the rest being something else Neutrois: the feeling of having a neutral gender; sometimes a lack of gender that leads to feeling neutral Nonbinary: originally an umbrella term for any gender outside the binary of cisgenders; may be used as an individual identity; occasionally used alongside of genderqueer Omnigender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand polygender Oneirogender: coined by anonymous, “being agender, but having recurring fantasies or daydreams of being a certain gender without the dysphoria or desire to actually be that gender day-to-day” Pangender: the feeling of having every gender; this is considered problematic by some communities and thus has been used as the concept of relating in some way to all genders as opposed to containing every gender identity; only applies to genders within one’s own culture
You have to add another one: :lol: https://twitter.com/LivePDDave1/status/1509519538039054339Lieutenant Commander Data_{March 31, 2022
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JVL & Sc, no this is not Babylon Bee, it first came to my attention in a serious policy context. Ironically, when you cannot tell reality from satire, that should be a warning. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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Sc, I never had occasion to search for such, I simply looked for sex determination, groupers -- now that is a real vice, fishing -- and the 112 genders. KF PS, to continue the list:
Libragender: a gender that feels agender but has a strong connection to another gender Magigender: a gender that is mostly gender and the rest is something else Mascfluid: A gender that is fluid in nature, and restricted only to masculine genders Mascgender: a non-binary gender which is masculine in nature. Maverique: taken from the word maverick; the feeling of having a gender that is separate from masculinity, femininity, and neutrality, but is not agender; a form of third gender Mirrorgender: a gender that changes to fit the people around you Molligender: a gender that is soft, subtle, and subdued Multigender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand omnigender Nanogender: feeling a small part of one gender with the rest being something else Neutrois: the feeling of having a neutral gender; sometimes a lack of gender that leads to feeling neutral Nonbinary: originally an umbrella term for any gender outside the binary of cisgenders; may be used as an individual identity; occasionally used alongside of genderqueer Omnigender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand polygender Oneirogender: coined by anonymous, “being agender, but having recurring fantasies or daydreams of being a certain gender without the dysphoria or desire to actually be that gender day-to-day” Pangender: the feeling of having every gender; this is considered problematic by some communities and thus has been used as the concept of relating in some way to all genders as opposed to containing every gender identity; only applies to genders within one’s own culture
This is patent absurdity.kairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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JVL: Those cannot be real surely. Could Kairosfocus have been fooled by a spoof website? The mind reals.
I wonder if KF has heard about furries. https://youtu.be/woJZsHDT_zoScamp_{March 31, 2022
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Scamp: If I were frequently googling homosexual, gay, queer, bisexual, bi-curious, transgendered and numerous gender identification terms, I would probably do the same thing. He (Kairosfocus) does seem to have an impressive list of gender identification variations. It's quite encyclopaedic. I assume. I've never tried to find such a list myself. Also, I suspect some of them are humorous. It would depend on the source which I haven't bothered to track. Examples:
Glassgender: a gender that is very sensitive and fragile Glimragender: a faintly shining, wavering gender
Those cannot be real surely. Could Kairosfocus have been fooled by a spoof website? The mind reals.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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KF: JVL, does it register that a reason to make consultation is to identify particulars, i.e. examine the actual case and options then weight consequences? If that does not register, nothing more would. KF
Then why not apply the same standard to the transgendered? Handle the issues on a case-by-case basis. Transgendered competing in women’s sport is a rarity. As are transgendered insisting on using women’s change rooms. And your list of genders, although amusing, is just a distraction from the actual issue. Do transgendered have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, or don’t they?Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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Kairosfocus: JVL, does it register that a reason to make consultation is to identify particulars, i.e. examine the actual case and options then weight consequences? If that does not register, nothing more would. Yes, that makes sense. And would you then be willing to follow the advise given to you? Even if it suggested letting the child grow to maturity and then self select what gender they wanted to be? In other words: would your priorities lie with the sound medical advice or your deeply held theological beliefs? If they were in conflict that is.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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KF: Sc, nil, I have several spam and popup and malware filters. KF
If I were frequently googling homosexual, gay, queer, bisexual, bi-curious, transgendered and numerous gender identification terms, I would probably do the same thing.Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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JVL, does it register that a reason to make consultation is to identify particulars, i.e. examine the actual case and options then weight consequences? If that does not register, nothing more would. KF PS, yet more:
Genderqueer: originally used as an umbrella term for nonbinary individuals; may be used as an identity; describes a nonbinary gender regardless of whether the individual is masculine or feminine leaning Genderwitched: a gender in which one is intrigued or entranced by the idea of a particular gender, but is not certain that they are actually feeling it Girlflux: when one feels mostly or all female most of the time but experiences fluctuating intensities of female identity Glassgender: a gender that is very sensitive and fragile Glimragender: a faintly shining, wavering gender Greygender: having a gender that is mostly outside of the binary but is weak and can barely be felt Gyragender: having multiple genders but understanding none of them Healgender: a gender that once realized, brings lots of peace, clarity, security, and creativity to the individual’s mind Heliogender: a gender that is warm and burning Hemigender: a gender that is half one gender and half something else; one or both halves may be identifiable genders Horogender: a gender that changes over time with the core feeling remaining the same Hydrogender: a gender which shares qualities with water Imperigender: a fluid gender that can be controlled by the individual Intergender: the feeling of gender falling somewhere on the spectrum between masculine and feminine; note: do not confuse with intersex Juxera: a feminine gender similar to girl, but on a separate plane and off to itself
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Scamp: With all of the googling KF has been doing on transexuals and LGBQ, the internet ads that pop up on his computer must be entertaining. ? While that is an amusing image I don't think that is what he is actually doing. I think Kairosfocus is trying really hard to be supportive and understanding but to stick to his firm and strict beliefs. The problem comes when he has to make a hard call about a particular person. And how would you handle dealing with that person later in life if they came back to you and expressed displeasure at the choice you made for them? If people are granted free will by a loving and caring God but you don't let them exercise that free will by making decisions for them about their sexuality then it all gets a bit difficult to rectify. I would think. But Kairosfocus can clarify all this if he chooses to do so. Mostly he seems more interested in dancing around what he really wants to say for some reason. That's the way it seems to me.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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Sc, nil, I have several spam and popup and malware filters. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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Kairosfocus: JVL, I have been pretty clear, frankly down to identifiable specific doctors I would go to. KF But you have not been clear on what kind of interventions or treatments you would accept. Why is that? What are you afraid of? You clearly are afraid of something. What is it?JVL_{March 31, 2022
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JVL, I have been pretty clear, frankly down to identifiable specific doctors I would go to. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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Kairosfocus: JVL, I pointed out competent counsel on sex determination and what goes wrong with it. I am also giving the list on what radicals are doing, and I will continue to further show the point. I do not understand why you can't be very, very clear and very, very specific about what kind of treatment or intervention for a physically sexually ambiguous baby you'd accept. You keep hinting at things without spelling out the details. Just say what you mean. Be clear. Make sure people know what you mean. No lying or dodging. Just clear, honest commitment. If you don't want to continue having to bow to a social norm you disagree with then you have to be clear and upfront. So, given that you'd be working with a competent physician, what, exactly, kind of 'treatment' would you support for a physically sexually ambiguous infant?JVL_{March 31, 2022
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Sc, actually, you are side stepping facts, so confessing by projecting. Note the list, which continues. KF PS, more
Femfluid: having fluctuating or fluid gender feelings that are limited to feminine genders Femgender: a nonbinary gender which is feminine in nature Fluidflux: the feeling of being fluid between two or more genders that also fluctuate in intensity; a combination of genderfluid and genderflux Gemigender: having two opposite genders that work together, being fluid and flux together Genderblank: a gender that can only be described as a blank space; when gender is called into question, all that comes to mind is a blank space Genderflow: a gender that is fluid between infinite feelings Genderfluid: the feeling of fluidity within your gender identity; feeling a different gender as time passes or as situations change; not restricted to any number of genders Genderflux: the feeling of your gender fluctuating in intensity; like genderfluid but between one gender and agender Genderfuzz: coined by lolzmelmel; the feeling of having more than one gender that are somehow blurred together to the point of not being able to distinguish or identify individual genders; synonymous with blurgender Gender Neutral: the feeling of having a neutral gender, whether somewhere in between masculine and feminine or a third gender that is separate from the binary; often paired with neutrois Genderpunk: a gender identity that actively resists gender norms
You tell me where brain wave patterns were characterised for such, how brain waves causally determine thoughts and inclinations and are determined genetically rather than as an aspect of a self-moved agent.kairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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With all of the googling KF has been doing on transexuals and LGBQ, the internet ads that pop up on his computer must be entertaining. :)Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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KF@140, you keep sidestepping the fact that the brain structure and activity of transgendered more closely resembles that of the gender they identify as than they do their chromosomal sex. Society is much better off by supporting and enabling life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for everyone as long as they are causing no harm. And homosexuals and transgendered are causing no harm.Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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JVL, I pointed out competent counsel on sex determination and what goes wrong with it. I am also giving the list on what radicals are doing, and I will continue to further show the point. KF F/N: Continuing:
Commogender: when you know you aren’t cisgender, but you settled with your assigned gender for the time being Condigender: a gender that is only felt during certain circumstances Deliciagender: from the Latin word delicia meaning “favorite”, meaning the feeling of having more than one simultaneous gender yet preferring one that fits better Demifluid: the feeling your gender being fluid throughout all the demigenders; the feeling of having multiple genders, some static and some fluid Demiflux: the feeling of having multiple genders, some static and some fluctuating Demigender: a gender that is partially one gender and partially another Domgender: having more than one gender yet one being more dominant than the others Duragender: from the Latin word dura meaning “long-lasting”, meaning a subcategory of multigender in which one gender is more identifiable, long lasting, and prominent than the other genders Egogender: a gender that is so personal to your experience that it can only be described as “you” Epicene: sometimes used synonymously with the adjective “androgynous”; the feeling either having or not displaying characteristics of both or either binary gender; sometimes used to describe feminine male identifying individuals Espigender: a gender that is related to being a spirit or exists on a higher or extradimensional plane Exgender: the outright refusal to accept or identify in, on, or around the gender spectrum Existigender: a gender that only exists or feels present when thought about or when a conscious effort is made to notice it
And this is not Babylon Bee, it is meant seriously and has come up in serious policy fora. 1984 was a satirical novel of warning, not a handbook. PPS, I identified people from the list, let's just say that a consultation with people of that calibre is itself an intellectual journey. They will not be giving 1984 advice.kairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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Kairosfocus: JVL, does, find a sound solid doctor with technical competence and good ethics then work with him or her mean anything to you? Do you want me to give my short list of docs I trust with my life or my nearest and dearest? It is clear you want a fishing expedition. You have my answer, on substance. KF Find a sound, solid doctor to do what exactly? If the doctor said: I think you should let this child develop as they are until they are at the age of consent and then they can decide which sex they can be identified with would you be okay with that?JVL_{March 31, 2022
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