Quote of the Day

_{Barry Arrington

March 24, 2022

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The quote of the day comes from commenter AaronS1978. In a comment to my last post, Aaron brings to our attention MMA fighter Fallon Fox, a man posing as a woman and fighting in the woman’s division. He has smashed the faces of multiple woman. Aaron writes that in our brave new world:

beating the crap out of a woman is OK as long as you think you’re a woman

Where are the feminists?

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Stop Using Phony Science to Justify Transphobia Actual research shows that sex is anything but binary […] Nearly everyone in middle school biology learned that if you’ve got XX chromosomes, you’re a female; if you’ve got XY, you’re a male. This tired simplification is great for teaching the importance of chromosomes but betrays the true nature of biological sex. The popular belief that your sex arises only from your chromosomal makeup is wrong. The truth is, your biological sex isn’t carved in stone, but a living system with the potential for change. Why? Because biological sex is far more complicated than XX or XY (or XXY, or just X). XX individuals could present with male gonads. XY individuals can have ovaries. How? Through a set of complex genetic signals that, in the course of a human’s development, begins with a small group of cells called the bipotential primordium and a gene called SRY. A newly fertilized embryo initially develops without any indication of its sex. At around five weeks, a group of cells clump together to form the bipotential primordium. These cells are neither male nor female but have the potential to turn into testes, ovaries or neither. After the primordium forms, SRY—a gene on the Y chromosome discovered in 1990, thanks to the participation of intersex XX males and XY females—might be activated. Though it is still not fully understood, we know SRY plays a role in pushing the primordium toward male gonads. But SRY is not a simple on/off switch, it’s a precisely timed start signal, the first chord of the “male gonad” symphony. A group of cells (instrument sections) must all express SRY (notes of the chord), at the right time (conductor?). Without that first chord, the embryo will play a different symphony: female gonads, or something in between. And there’s more! While brief and coordinated SRY-activation initiates the process of male-sex differentiation, genes like DMRT1 and FOXL2 maintain certain sexual characteristics during adulthood. If these genes stop functioning, gonads can change and exhibit characteristics of the opposite sex. Without these players constantly active, certain components of your biological sex can change. There’s still more! SRY, DMRT1, and FOXL2 aren’t directly involved with other aspects of biological sex. Secondary sex characteristics—penis, vagina, appearance, behavior—arise later, from hormones, environment, experience, and genes interacting. To explore this, we move from the body to the brain, where biology becomes behavior. […] SCIENCE AND SOCIETY: BETTER TOGETHER While this is a small overview, the science is clear and conclusive: sex is not binary, transgender people are real. It is time that we acknowledge this. Defining a person’s sex identity using decontextualized “facts” is unscientific and dehumanizing. The trans experience provides essential insights into the science of sex and scientifically demonstrates that uncommon and atypical phenomena are vital for a successful living system. Even the scientific endeavor itself is quantifiably better when it is more inclusive and diverse. So, no matter what a pundit, politician or internet troll may say, trans people are an indispensable part of our living reality. Transgender humans represent the complexity and diversity that are fundamental features of life, evolution and nature itself. That is a fact.
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LCD, Zelenko is dead on target. KFkairosfocus_{March 28, 2022
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Sc, among others, you obviously are. And you know it; you have lost regard for manifest truth, which goes to due evaluation of your arguments. To establish the principle at stake, there are distinctions that are inherent and to be duly recognised, you patently cannot show to us a nine sided hexagon. FYI, a man is an adult male human, with XY chromosomes, and a woman an adult female with XX -- both tied to our reproductive biology, a naturally rooted accurate description that is evident even to a young child. Rare medical conditions should not be permitted to warp that normal framework. It is truthfulness, not discrimination or injustice or bigotry or being impolite to point this out or to recognise this in referring to persons of the two sexes . . . note, I here refuse to use the doubletalk, newspeak corrupted term, gender. That backed by intimidation and the like we are now being pressured to enable ideologically imposed falsehoods on sexuality, family and the like is already a grave warping of truth on a pivotal matter for survival and thriving of our race - classic jacobin misanthropy, but it also establishes and mainstreams theses regarding core characteristics, identity and resulting naturally evident distinctions that just to be in contact with reality it is vital to acknowledge. Nominalism backed by power agendas is here showing just how potentially dangerous it is, starting with undermining of truth as accurate description of reality, whether entities, states of affairs, etc. KF PS, in a further speaking with disregard to truth, you omitted that the US DoI starts by speaking of the laws of nature and of nature's God; this being philosophical language responding to our creation order as it next refers in defining that we have key rights. BTW, there is and can be no due right to compel another under threat of sanction, to enable or uphold one in wrong, including forcing people to habitually lie in the face of manifest reality. That deliberate erosion of conscience under implicit threat is one of the key techniques of ideological oppression identified by Havel in his essay, power of the powerless, or for that matter it is there in the novel that exposes such tyrannies, 1984. Notice, Winston Smith works in the Ministry of Truth tasked with rewriting truth into convenient and ever changing lies that people are compelled to parrot, e.g. in the two minute hate ritual.kairosfocus_{March 28, 2022
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https://rumble.com/vw26cc-who-will-you-bow-to.htmlLieutenant Commander Data_{March 27, 2022
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KF: I repeat, I will not become a habitual liar,
And who is asking you to be one? All people are asking is that transgendered be afforded their inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I don’t have to agree with their choices to support their right to make them. That is not being a liar. That is just living up to the ideals expressed in the DoI.Scamp_{March 27, 2022
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Vivid, disregard for truth and for consequences of untruth backed by power, too. Sad. But, negative credibility. KFkairosfocus_{March 27, 2022
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KF Keep in mind that I and others have demonstrated that Scamp is a misogynist, an oppressor of women and an advocate for child abuse ( groomer). That’s one sick puppy so keep that in mind as he brazenly lectures you about your real or perceived shortcomings. I fully expect in a few years he/ she will be telling us that pedophiles cause no harm. “Good evening. As Lierre said, my name is Kara Dansky, and I serve on the board of the Women’s Liberation Front. I am an attorney with a background in women’s rights, criminal justice, and civil rights. It’s wonderful to be in Seattle. I used to live here, and it’s great to be back. Go Seahawks, go Beast Mode, we had a good run this season. I am here to talk about gender identity in the law, and I will do that. But first, I would like to make a brief statement. “ I AM EXTREMELY ANGRY” manner, as we, as women, are required to do. “To be clear, I do not think that any of us actually want to be talking about gender identity at all. In addition to her feminist work, Lierre has spent her entire adult life and career fighting for the planet and its inhabitants. I suspect that Meghan would probably rather speak out against the violence of pornography and prostitution, and that Saba would prefer to spend her time ending the violence of racism. I would very much like to be fighting for reproductive sovereignty for women, including abortion on demand and without apology. All of us have spent our lives fighting for justice, in one way or another. And yet now we all find ourselves in the following situation: We have to talk about the violence, misogyny, and homophobia of gender identity because we have no choice but to do so. But, then, men forcing women to do things that we do not want to do is hardly novel.” “The upshot of all of this is that it is simply not possible to both protect and women and girls and protect gender identity in the law. Federal law can protect women and girls in order to make up for centuries of unfairness and injustice, or it can protect a self-declared and undefined “identity.” It cannot do both. So let’s pull this all together. The men in power for thousands of years enacted countless laws with the deliberate intention of keeping women out of power and out of civil society, purely on the basis of sex. And now, at the altar of “gender identity,” we are expected to simply pretend that sex does not exist. No.” https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f232ea74d8342386a7ebc52/t/5f39a19bd67d3172af78c053/1597612445241/Kara-Dansky-New-Misogyny.pdf Vividvividbleau_{March 27, 2022
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Sc, 1789 was a change in society. So, were 1917, 1933 and 1948. Jacobin changes based on untruth and attacking sound conscience are not a recipe for a good outcome. I repeat, I will not become a habitual liar, and that is not raillery, it is truth. Truth, you cannot acknowledge, it seems. Explains a lot, sadly. KFkairosfocus_{March 27, 2022
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JVL: What ‘truth’ can be applied to such individuals?
Well, obviously, they shouldn’t be allowed to compete in sports, use a gender specific bathroom or a gender specific change room. And don’t get me on about pronouns. Being in any way accepting and supportive of them being able to dress and behave as the gender they choose to identify as will only lead to the downfall of civilization. I think Bill Murray said it best. https://youtu.be/JmzuRXLzqKkScamp_{March 27, 2022
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How about The Third Sex , a bit like The Third Way? Or abbreviate "intersex" to "iSex" and get Apple to promote it so it would become really cool.Seversky_{March 27, 2022
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Just curious . . . what do think should be the approach for those who are genetically 'intersex', used to be called hermaphrodites. They do exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
According to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights: Intersex people are born with sex characteristics (including genitals, gonads and chromosome patterns) that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies. Intersex is an umbrella term used to describe a wide range of natural bodily variations. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica: Individuals with mixtures of male and female characters (usually sterile) are known as intersexes.
What 'truth' can be applied to such individuals?JVL_{March 27, 2022
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KF: Sc, that is because, you have already refused to acknowledge what is written into our XX and XY chromosomes. And more. You are simply letting us know the pattern in your thinking. Show us a nine sided hexagon and explain to us why we should call Mx 9-sider that xe is indeed a hexagon as xe demands to be addressed, here in Flatland under new management of the jacobins. KF
You are free to continue to rail against any changes in society but myself and an ever increasing majority of the population will continue to advocate for a person’s freedom to live their lives however they would like as long as they are causing no harm. According to you, and the DoI, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are inalienable rights. Apparently, in your mind, that only applies to people who share your views? At present two of the freedoms that are being resisted by a rapidly shrinking minority are the public acceptance of same sex marriage and transgendered. Your continued refusal to allow these freedoms will only lead to bitterness on your part.Scamp_{March 27, 2022
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Vivid
As you know I have repeatedly made this point over and over again and have heard nothing but crickets from the other side. Their solutions tacitly admit they are not women yet they insist that they are.
I think people are trying to be charitable by going along with the fantasy. They know that a man cannot turn into a woman just because he thinks he can. But they will say "a person can create their own identity and it doesn't hurt anybody. We can be courteous and go along with it". But as you and others have pointed out, it does cause serious and real harm.Silver Asiatic_{March 27, 2022
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Por ejemplo https://twitter.com/zhenryaz/status/1506465657650651136kairosfocus_{March 26, 2022
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SA, KF I find it comical that Sev and Scamp can’t even define what a woman is yet they insist that men who think they are women are woman. Can someone explain that to me? Vividvividbleau_{March 26, 2022
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SA “I fully agree. You’re making it clear that you reject the idea that transgendered men are women. They’re men and they should not compete with women. That should be obvious to everyone but it is not.” Thank you. As you know I have repeatedly made this point over and over again and have heard nothing but crickets from the other side. Their solutions tacitly admit they are not women yet they insist that they are. “Personally, using the pronouns “she” and “her” when referring to a transgendered person is no more a demand on my soul than the change from Miss and Mrs to Ms was. Or hearing a minister pronounce “I now pronounce you husband and husband.” You made me spill my beer. The above actually disproves the very thing you think it proves. I will let you figure out why. Vividvividbleau_{March 26, 2022
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Seversky
I’m more concerned with ensuring that women competitors in certain sports are not subject to unnecessary risk of physical injury or to an unfair competitive disadvantage.
I fully agree. You're making it clear that you reject the idea that transgendered men are women. They're men and they should not compete with women. That should be obvious to everyone but it is not.
Aside from sports, transgender individuals should be entitled to all the same human rights and civil liberties as cisgender individuals and, out of common courtesy, they should be addressed like anyone else by their preferred name and pronoun. I don’t see that as too much to ask.
But you know, clearly, that they're delusional. They're not just wanting to be called a certain name - they want to be fully accepted as what they are not. Transgendered men are not women. You know this. It's not a courtesy to them to promote their false belief. We are just keeping them entrapped in a delusion. It's not healthy for them or for society for anybody to live that way.Silver Asiatic_{March 26, 2022
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Vivid, and that is part of the point. If you have lost the sense of duty to truth, right reason and warrant, just for starters on Cicero's list, then what else do you have left to your conscience or credibility as a responsible, rational person? KFkairosfocus_{March 26, 2022
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KF “Sev, asking people to live by habitual lying about naturally evident realities under threat of ever ratcheting up domineering backed by power is not normal expectation of polite conduct;” Unfortunately this not a problem for those who traffic in lies, since they lie they are bewildered that others won’t join them in their lies. Vividvividbleau_{March 26, 2022
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Sc, that is because, you have already refused to acknowledge what is written into our XX and XY chromosomes. And more. You are simply letting us know the pattern in your thinking. Show us a nine sided hexagon and explain to us why we should call Mx 9-sider that xe is indeed a hexagon as xe demands to be addressed, here in Flatland under new management of the jacobins. KFkairosfocus_{March 26, 2022
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F/N, there is an underlying issue, nominalism, that needs to be addressed. It is an extremely radical notion that there are no inherent, natural, defining/identifying distinctive characteristics that can be evident so that language, to be truthful, must refer accurately. One consequence, is that key terms and states of affairs are simply matters of balances of power and associated conventions that can be changed at will of sufficiently powerful factions. Further to which, once power has spoken, for the weak to question or object is automatically to be in the wrong and subject to penalty. Law becomes, whatever those who control the legal presses decree. Rights become just one more decree. Justice, a matter of whatever is convenient to the powers. Ask the ghost of Milada Horakova about show trials on trumped up charges. And, there is no true human nature, there is no inherent value to life, or liberty, or conscience, etc. As a descendant of slaves, I object, as I know from bitterly bought lessons of history, where such a jacobin train of abuses and usurpations ends: the platform with the guillotine on it, baying crowd waiting to be entertained. So, again, I ask, show me a nine sided hexagon. KFkairosfocus_{March 26, 2022
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Sev, asking people to live by habitual lying about naturally evident realities under threat of ever ratcheting up domineering backed by power is not normal expectation of polite conduct; it is willful intimidation to erode integrity, something profoundly misanthropic and a longstanding part of jacobinism. This is part of the reason why I have repeatedly pointed us to the story of the greengrocer in Havel's essay, the power of the powerless. I suggest we would all benefit from a reading. KFkairosfocus_{March 26, 2022
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Seversky: Aside from sports, transgender individuals should be entitled to all the same human rights and civil liberties as cisgender individuals and, out of common courtesy, they should be addressed like anyone else by their preferred name and pronoun. I don’t see that as too much to ask.
I couldn’t have said it better. But, unfortunately, there are those who believe that this common courtesy
demands our souls, piece by piece, as the price of not being pounced on by activists and fellow travellers just now.
Personally, using the pronouns “she” and “her” when referring to a transgendered person is no more a demand on my soul than the change from Miss and Mrs to Ms was. Or hearing a minister pronounce “I now pronounce you husband and husband.”Scamp_{March 26, 2022
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Sc, People who value truth and refuse to become habitual liars even under intimidation through false colours of law much less of "progress" -- the very term tells us, there is always going to be another demand -- did not start a fight; we found ourselves with a fight interested in us. A fight that demands our souls, piece by piece, as the price of not being pounced on by activists and fellow travellers just now. In short, "a long train of abuses and usurpations . . . " These are things you refuse to acknowledge, just as previously, you refused to acknowledge that others had a serious grievance over being pressured in much the same way to repeatedly push experimental drugs with high adverse events rates into their bodies without adequate information and under threat to livelihood. This is part of a pattern, in short, and a sadly telling one. Mr Smith, while you are on the rack, what is 2 + 2? KFkairosfocus_{March 26, 2022
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Silver Asiatic/17
Vivid responded @11 but I’ll just echo it. I just nudge you to realize that your instincts are in the right direction but that comment runs afoul of wokeism.
Possibly, but a lot of "wokeism" to me reduces to just virtue-signaling. I'm more concerned with ensuring that women competitors in certain sports are not subject to unnecessary risk of physical injury or to an unfair competitive disadvantage. For the purposes of certain sports, I think there should be a separate category for transgender competitors because of the observable physical disparities. Aside from sports, transgender individuals should be entitled to all the same human rights and civil liberties as cisgender individuals and, out of common courtesy, they should be addressed like anyone else by their preferred name and pronoun. I don't see that as too much to ask.Seversky_{March 26, 2022
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Scamp I notice you lump homosexuals with transgenderism you are wrong, as usual, to do so. From USA Today. Same-sex marriage advocates didn't want to change anyone's biology. “But is the plight of the trans person the same as the gay or lesbian person? Are gay and transgender folks one and the same, or is there a good cause to argue that “L” & “G” should drop the “T” from their movement? Make no mistake, the gay community needs to file for divorce with the trans community. They are no longer working toward the same goals, and South Dakota is Exhibit A. The issues facing the transgender community today are wholly different and separate from those facing the gay community. Unlike members of the trans community, who are working against their biology and trying to change who they are physically, gay or lesbian people are trying to be nobody but themselves. They are not seeking surgery or hormone treatments.They love the same gender; they don’t want to be a different gender. That is a great distinction in the post-Obergefell world. In order to achieve marriage equality, gay people were not trying to upend the social construct of marriage; they were trying to obtain participation rights. Huge difference.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/28/gay-rights-trans-rights-south-dakota-bathroom-legislation-column/80710176/ Vividvividbleau_{March 26, 2022
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CD “Not likely.” I don’t know whats likely or unlikely in todays world. I would have thought a lot of things unlikely a few years ago. “The rape victim would not be an employee of the DA’s office, nor a party to the action and would be free to testify in her or his own words”. Good point and she addressed that. “But we haven’t seen any of this play out quite yet in the legal system, but it’ll be very interesting to watch. There is one case in the Sixth Circuit coming out of Ohio, where a professor refused to use so-called preferred pronouns. He was disciplined by the public university, his employer, but he was vindicated in court at the appellate level. So that’s a good sign that our first amendment might protect us in a way that, for example, Canadians aren’t protected.” Vividvividbleau_{March 26, 2022
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Vividbleau @ 26
“The district attorney of San Francisco has recently issued an order, all of the staff in his office are now required to use so-called preferred pronouns in court, which could potentially mean that a rape victim might be required to refer to a male alleged rapist as “she” on the witness stand....
Not likely. The rape victim would not be an employee of the DA's office, nor a party to the action and would be free to testify in her or his own words.chuckdarwin_{March 26, 2022
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KF: Sc, mutual respect does not entail enabling or demanding enabling of delusions and lies about fundamental, genetically stamped — XX, XY — aspects of our humanity.
You live your life your way and I will live my life in mine. If I tried to life my life as you do my conscience simply wouldn’t let me sleep at night. The fact that more and more people are changing to my way of thought with regard to homosexuals and transgendered is heartening. Society will be better for it.Scamp_{March 26, 2022
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Sc, mutual respect does not entail enabling or demanding enabling of delusions and lies about fundamental, genetically stamped -- XX, XY -- aspects of our humanity. As I have noted, power backed, imposed untruth always attacks sound conscience. As for me, for cause, I simply will not lie that a man is a woman or the like, not even under threat from unjust decrees under false colour of law. My spiritual forebears literally were thrown to the lions for the claimed disloyalty of refusing to sprinkle salt in a flame and declaring Caesar is Lord. I hope this helps you understand the sort of line we are beginning to cross again as our civilisation decays. KFkairosfocus_{March 26, 2022
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