Quote of the Day

_{Barry Arrington

March 24, 2022

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The quote of the day comes from commenter AaronS1978. In a comment to my last post, Aaron brings to our attention MMA fighter Fallon Fox, a man posing as a woman and fighting in the woman’s division. He has smashed the faces of multiple woman. Aaron writes that in our brave new world:

beating the crap out of a woman is OK as long as you think you’re a woman

Where are the feminists?

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Scamp “transgendered are causing no harm” Yes they are. https://www.iwf.org/2021/12/10/one-feminists-perspective-on-how-the-transgender-agenda-harms-women-girls/ Here is just a snippet. “So one implication that I think is not well understood is the phenomenon that we are literally seeing playing out today in prisons in the United States is that convicted rapists and murderers who are men are being housed in women’s prisons. A lot of people know that this is happening in California thanks to the Women’s Liberation Front for filing a lawsuit, challenging the law that allows that, mandates that. It’s also happening in Washington State but it’s also happening across the country.” “If we’re not allowed to acknowledge the reality of biological sex, we can’t talk honestly about the phenomenon of male violence against women. And that’s really, really dangerous.” “He,” of course, because he is. But we should say there are efforts around the world to actually criminalize the use of accurate sex pronouns. And it’ll be very interesting to see whether our first amendment protects us in a way, for example, that Canadian law does not protect Canadians. There’s an effort right now to make the use of accurate sex pronouns a hate crime.” “The district attorney of San Francisco has recently issued an order, all of the staff in his office are now required to use so-called preferred pronouns in court, which could potentially mean that a rape victim might be required to refer to a male alleged rapist as “she” on the witness stand, which I would argue would constitute perjury.” “Feminist Janice Raymond wrote a book in 1979 called “The Transsexual Empire,” which predicted all of this. And she re-produced it in 1994 with an introduction that talks about the invention of the word transgender and how it’s going to harm women and girls in particular, though we need to be clear, it harms everybody. The abolition of sex harms everybody. “ Vividvividbleau_{March 26, 2022
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Scamp You are the one that wants to deny women the opportunity to participate in women's sports. I find it ironic that you are lecturing us as to why we should be misogynists. But you are probably a man and as I stated on the other thread men have been oppressing women for thousands of years so I am not surprised that if you are a man that is your position. Vividvividbleau_{March 26, 2022
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KF: Sc, sound community cannot be built on enabling delusions or lies,
And they aren’t. They are built on mutual respect, acceptance and support for others regardless of religion, culture, political view, life choices, etc. as long as no harm is done to others. Homosexuals and transgendered are causing no harm.Scamp_{March 26, 2022
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Sc, sound community cannot be built on enabling delusions or lies, and when such falsehoods are backed by power, they become the untruths foundational to injustice. Unless such first truths are faced, we cannot soundly proceed. Underlying your assertions seems to be a species of nominalism, whereby natural identities are denied, words are reduced by jacobin radicals to newspeak politics and those who dare object or question are subjected to subtle or blatant turnabout accusation and marginalisation. This is reality, not 1984 and 2 + 2 is not whatever the radical power brokers and their enablers wish them to be. Men -- self evidently -- are men, women are women, both stamped into our chromosomes, and the imposition of various power backed absurdities to the contrary is just that, absurd not normality. People suffering inherently disordered conditions are still people, need to be recognised as rights bearing neighbours but no right can properly be claimed that demands enabling absurd falsehood and tainting of sound conscience. There are no nine sided hexagons. KFkairosfocus_{March 26, 2022
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KF@21, I didn’t realize that calling a transgendered person by their selected name and pronoun, and treating them with respect, and letting them use the bathroom of their identified gender, would lead to the end of civilization. Over the years I have heard the same arguments used against inter-race marriage, desegregation, the decriminalization of homosexuality and legalization of same sex marriage. And, decades on, civilization has survived. And life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which originally only applied,in real terms, to white males, now applies to a much greater portion of the population than it ever has. The number one self-evident truth is that societies will change. You can either resist it tooth and nail or you can make attempts to understand the rationale of those trying to change it and make accommodations when they cause no harm. I choose the latter.Scamp_{March 26, 2022
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Sc, kindly show us a nine sided hexagon. If you cannot -- and you cannot -- you have learned important truths about how truth is accurate description of reality, how there are indeed core characteristics tied to the identity of not only individuals but natural classes, how words as tools of communication need to serve truth, how truthfulness is an inescapable moral duty, and why imposition of crooked yardsticks in the place of sound plumb line self evident truths is oppressive imposition of untruth backed by power that attacks sound conscience. That manifests misanthropy even as it pretends to be liberating and ends in evil. KFkairosfocus_{March 26, 2022
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Scamp “Two OPs decrying the assumed evils associated with being accepting and supportive of transgendered” Accepting or supportive, what does this even mean? Men who think they are women should be treated with respect , I accept that they think they are women, they should not be ridiculed, bullied etc. How is that not accepting? As to being supportive I don’t know what you mean? What am I suppose to support their harm to women? Am I to support them by being misogynistic? “ and you direct all of your venom towards a very small percentage of transgendered, those you compete in sports.” What venom? “The impression I get from the discussions is that most here, instead of addressing the actual issues on a case by case basis, would rather deny all transgendered people the opportunity to live their lives in a way that makes them happy and comfortable. So much for supporting the DoI” Happy and comfortable? What do you mean? Do you mean I have to embrace the lie that they are women?. Exactly what issues have to be addressed on a case by case basis? Vividvividbleau_{March 26, 2022
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Two OPs decrying the assumed evils associated with being accepting and supportive of transgendered and you direct all of your venom towards a very small percentage of transgendered, those you compete in sports. The impression I get from the discussions is that most here, instead of addressing the actual issues on a case by case basis, would rather deny all transgendered people the opportunity to live their lives in a way that makes them happy and comfortable. So much for supporting the DoI.Scamp_{March 26, 2022
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SA “What you’re saying here is that you see transgender people as a separate category – not as what they claim to be.” Yep. If it was not so harmful to women it would be funny to see those who affirm that men who think they are women are women get pretzel twisted. Vividvividbleau_{March 25, 2022
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Sev
would creating a separate division for transgender fighters be a workable and acceptable solution in that community?
Vivid responded @11 but I'll just echo it. I just nudge you to realize that your instincts are in the right direction but that comment runs afoul of wokeism. What you're saying here is that you see transgender people as a separate category - not as what they claim to be. So, you're thinking rationally, at least in part. But that alone would have you persecuted as being unjust and bigoted. No, the demand is that transgender men, and we could include the strongest and most powerful, have to be considered "women" and therefore must be permitted to fight women.Silver Asiatic_{March 25, 2022
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@10 yes and no. Yes it’s worth giving the idea a shot if there was a big enough demand for it, no because I think social issues from both perspectives would take unnecessary issue with it. And a lot of people keep forgetting that if you wanna be the best you need to sacrifice for it even if it means putting your social and personal lives on hold and it doesn’t mean you don’t have them, you just have to put it on hold until you’re done competingAaronS1978_{March 25, 2022
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"These people are insane." Vivid, And worse, the politically aligned who put them in power are astonishingly stupid. Andrewasauber_{March 25, 2022
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In every sport, boys and men have a distinct advantage over girls and women. Compare anything between the two, as plenty of studies have been doing, and you will see males are faster, stronger and have more endurance than women. the muscle structure, bone density and internal organs are different, which have nothing to do with hormone shots. Females have compacted internal organs, since they give birth. Males have larger rib cages and greater lung capacity, which is the reason for the advantage with endurance. There are numerous biological differences between males and females. To deny the differences is to deny biology.BobRyan_{March 25, 2022
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Asauber And now we are going to have a SC Justice who will be responsible for adjudicating women's sex discrimination cases who doesn’t know what a woman is!! These people are insane. Vividvividbleau_{March 24, 2022
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"to not allow women to compete against other women" This takes discrimination to new unheard of levels... to treat someone as inferior *because* they are the same as everyone just like them. Mind blown. lol Andrewasauber_{March 24, 2022
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“I have no issue with any of what you wrote. My question to you, based on your experience in martial arts is, would creating a separate division for transgender fighters be a workable and acceptable solution in that community?” But they are women! That would be discrimination to not allow women to compete against other women. Vividvividbleau_{March 24, 2022
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AaronS1978/6 I have no issue with any of what you wrote. My question to you, based on your experience in martial arts is, would creating a separate division for transgender fighters be a workable and acceptable solution in that community?Seversky_{March 24, 2022
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Givin evolution is a "fact". Should we not allow time for women to evolve into men over time? Millions of years of random punches in the face should help it along. Correct Darwinist?DATCG_{March 24, 2022
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Of related note: Gov. Desantis displays some gubernatorial boldness, (and sanity), and declares an actual woman the winner of a women's competition.
Gov. DeSantis declares Sarasota swimmer winner over transgender athlete - Mar 22, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLr_W1DLduM
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Sev, "In the Wikipedia entry on Fallon Fox, some of her opponents reported that she was noticeably stronger and hit harder than other women they had fought." That's because he is a man.Barry Arrington_{March 24, 2022
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I used to participate martial arts quite a bit, things to know Due to size, strength, and leverage, It takes an average male 3 to 4 strikes at full strength to break a cheekbone While it takes a woman on average 18 full strikes Of course this is an average and many other factors also play a role like bone density and muscle density Male bone density continues to be greater than a woman’s even with hormonal treatments Which plays a huge part in whether or not you can actually hurt the person you’re fighting or how badly they get hurt Even with hormonal treatments your germ line genetics are still male which means you still have access to male biological equipment, that will start working once you start agitating them. Extreme physical activity will always excite these factors and cause them to activate whether you are transgender or not I have absolutely zero problem with transgender I have 100% problem with people that believe that your biological attributes disappear because you think Males and females are biologically different this is a fact that is being ignored for feelingsAaronS1978_{March 24, 2022
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Denyse
Once the story became “there is no essential difference,” all this followed.
It's a hatred of women. Reducing the distinction of being female to nail polish and lipstick. Yes, it is a bestial trend, but consistent. It's bad karma for feminists and for everyone who got rid of moral standards. "No, no, we would never support ... [whatever]" Then [whatever] becomes popular and they change. J.K. Rowling is learning from bitter experience.Silver Asiatic_{March 24, 2022
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The women who participate in mixed martial arts matches appear to enjoy it as a sport as much as their male counterparts and, if that's the case, then it should be their choice. In the Wikipedia entry on Fallon Fox, some of her opponents reported that she was noticeably stronger and hit harder than other women they had fought. It seems like the the transition procedures do nothing to mitigate the physical advantages of the male physique over the female. Again, this is where a good case can be made for having separate divisions for male, female and transgender fighters.Seversky_{March 24, 2022
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Francis Ngannou should identify as a female of the same weight class as Fallon Fox , as if gender is fluid why not weight. It would be an eye opener for Mr Fox to see the irony as he gets his head beaten to a pulp by someone who has chose to identify as they see fit with no relation to reality.Marfin_{March 24, 2022
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Asauber at 1, a complexity is that this is karma for feminism (not as it started out but as it became). It started out with a movement for the dignity and equality of women as women. Once the story became "there is no essential difference," all this followed. The beast is hard to confront because those who would confront it are in its camp, hopelessly compromised, and hoping to be eaten last. We can only hope that the swim moms who drive their daughters to practice years on end have even half the intelligence of Edith Bunker. Then they will begin to realize who their and their daughters' friends and enemies really are. Not who they were taught to think, as it happens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoIMvOUM3poNews_{March 24, 2022
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And who are these women who agree to get their faces punched in by a man pretending to be a woman? Andrewasauber_{March 24, 2022
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