Sociologist Steve Fuller on the significance of the Dover Trial

_{Denyse O'Leary

February 26, 2017

Culture, Darwinism, Intelligent Design, science education}

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Dover cleared the decks for critical discussion of Darwinism and design by getting school board micro-politics out of it.

Fuller studies ID as a social movement in science. We hear some colleagues don’t like his views much.

See also: Dover all over

White cliffs. Dover: Creationism invades Europe

The Dover case, John West, and intelligent design

Steve Fuller: Humans will merge with AI

and

Steve Fuller’s Dissent over Descent

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rvb8- Thats the problem I have checked the internet, read books, watched debates and I have yet to see or hear the marvellous and amazing evidence you speak of.I was an atheist and like most atheists I believed scientist`s had the answers, I had heard terms like, the fossil record, RM/NS,genetic drift,selfish gene, and so on and believed these were rock solid in their refutation of a God and were overwhelming evidence in support of evolution.Oh how wrong I was , for when I actually took the time to put the work in myself I found that these were not the great support for evolution they claimed to be but were so weak I could not believe I had been so gullible for so many years.Now I suggest you do what I and many others have done , do some looking into this so called evidence yourself , if you are honest you will find what most find , the emperor has no clothes.I became a Christian not because I wanted to but because I could no longer deny the evidence staring me in the face I hope you can do the same.So rvb8 do the work.Marfin_{February 27, 2017
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rvb8 -- and while you are manipulating that mouse and keyboard, marvel at the engineered design of those eyes, arms, hands and fingers of yours and imagine them mindlessly flapping around with no idea of what they are doing ... who knows, they might wind up writing that great American novel.ayearningforpublius_{February 27, 2017
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Marfin, It's called the Internet, and you use your index finger on a mouse. Sadly, I can do nought else.rvb8_{February 27, 2017
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rvb8 @3:
However I refuse to be moved by arguments from incredulity.
Clearly. Maybe you would do well to be a little more skeptical. You are so credulous you appear willing to believe almost anything, no matter how preposterous, as long as it serves the materialist storyline you have adopted.Eric Anderson_{February 27, 2017
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Thanks KF ... good stuff.ayearningforpublius_{February 27, 2017
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RVB8 et al: I draw your attention to the first level summary (dating to 2006) outlined here in a current thread: https://uncommondescent.com/general-interest/design-disquisitions-william-dembski-moves-on-from-id-some-reflections/#comment-626039 KFkairosfocus_{February 27, 2017
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Marfin @ 4: I have to give rvb8 credit. He obviously has a tremendous amount of faith in his atheistic philosophical worldview. Misguided as it may be, it is still commendable for its exuberance and tireless devotion. Rvb8 actually inspires me in my own personal faith.Truth Will Set You Free_{February 27, 2017
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rvb8- This evidence you never tire of I would love to see it , so please show us this latest evidence on the emergence of the immune system and the eye , once again if said evidence is not forthcoming I will assume it does not exist and that your great FAITH in the pronouncements of certain scientist is more amazing than my faith in God.Marfin_{February 27, 2017
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I'm endlessly fascinated by the complexity of nature, the human body, and all of the detail of this marvellous creation. However I refuse to be moved by arguments from incredulity. I once watched the BBC documentary, "Life of Birds", with a creationist but he spoiled the viewing fest by an inordinate need to vacantly smile, and trot out classics like, 'isn't the Creator benevelent', 'God cares for the tiniest of His creatures', 'Christ's love is seen in this nature',...etc ad infinitum. This, I can only call it a 'need', to be abject was depressing. He was so gob smacked by the beauty he often missed the points the Narrator (Attenborough), was making. No! I refuse to look with slack jawed amazement at my arm, or eye, and cry pointlessly, 'whence such beauty?!' I do however never tire of the endless new discoveries science is making as to our understanding of the emergence of said arm, eye, immune system etc.rvb8_{February 26, 2017
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Ya know rvb8 it seems almost pointless to try communicating with you, but I and others hold out hope, and who knows. Perhaps someone on the edge of this might be a bit more open minded than you. So let me give it a shot. Have you never thought about the very functional design and engineering just within your own arm -- the pivoting shoulder, the levers of the bicep and forearm, the hand and its fingers capable of multitudes of functions such as; cradling a new born baby, pitching a baseball, catching a football like Julian Edelman, writing the great American novel, playing a beautiful piano concerto, picking your nose ... writing a blog response such as this. Reach up to your face rvb8, to your eyes, and remove those debilitating blinders. They're there my friend, and if you remove them (only you can do that) you might just discover wonders you never imagined. Let us know if you are capable of doing that. We are indeed interested. Best regards, donayearningforpublius_{February 26, 2017
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Is this code for, 'a sufficiently large amount of time has gone under the bridge, let's see if we can call black/white, and make up mean down'? One word, 'talkorigins'.rvb8_{February 26, 2017
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