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Readers, you remember surely… that ID-friendly paper at the Journal of Theoretical Biology by Thorvaldsen and Hossjer? It got through the cracks. Even got through the Twitter summit.

And the anguished screams from the editors that they didn’t know that the paper leaned toward design in nature… Never mind the stern rebuttal letter.

Hey, chill. Media hacks call that the Banned in Boston effect. Here is how you can know that the media hacks are right:

What is the top download paper in that stable? Yes!

Noise overheard from the Uncommon Descent News Coffee Room, Free Bagels Hour: “Eventually, people, we are going to have to start rewarding the Darwinians for banning and persecuting advocates of design in nature.

Look, guys, it’s only fair. Mediocrities steam themselves into near oblivion to destroy the idea and their efforts only fan the flames. Sadly, all we wanted was a serious discussion. We never asked them to be Roman candles.”

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Choo-Choo Charlie, engineering, Dave. :cool: Field engineering and technical support. Secure communications- military and civilian. We have to get our equipment to work with whatever the customer has. In Europe, for example, the phone line impedance is different. So I had to modify our units by changing components the design guys said not to touch. But once I returned and explained to the group, it was just praise for having the guts to go against them and make the correct call in the field. With Ericsson, although our equipment is transparent to the signal being transmitted and received, there was still a delay inherent with the added electronics. The same with Egypt and secure satellite comms. And Saudi for ship to shore. In Colombia that meant climbing microwave towers hoping FARC doesn't take notice. Duck tape, chewing gum, DVM, solder, iron and a multi-tool. Cable ties would be nice. :)ET
October 21, 2020
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OMG, he's a Cylon agent!Bob O'H
October 21, 2020
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What kind of engineering were you doing?daveS
October 21, 2020
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This toaster and this toaster got me introduced to the countries and rain forests of northern South America. This toaster had me in Norway working with Ericsson on the Patriot missile system's communication network.ET
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I have to admit, those are some badass toasters.daveS
October 21, 2020
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daves- check out the toaster I have installed, repaired and engineered upgrades for in many countries and States. And this toaster, too. And let's not forget this toaster that brought me to Iraq. Actually all 3 brought me to Iraq.ET
October 21, 2020
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Whatever, Bob. I am comforted by the fact that I have worked on electronic equipment that you couldn't even understand. An I am very comforted by the fact that I could easily eviscerate you in a debate on science- ID vs mainstream evolution.ET
October 21, 2020
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Perhaps in The Distinguished Annals of Toaster Repair? 🤔daveS
October 21, 2020
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ET - do you have links to these publications? The closest thing of relevance I can find is a wallpaper dispenser.Bob O'H
October 21, 2020
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Publishing and peer-review. I have published at least 1,000 fault analysis papers. All reviewed by my peers, ie engineers at the companies I worked for. Those papers led to improvements on the product and customer relations.ET
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Why isn't there any peer-reviewed papers that support evolution by means of blind and mindless processes? By the mental midget's "logic" evo scientists are " so afraid of criticism, laughter and rejection".ET
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Posted like the mental midget that you are, mealy mouth. You are a quote-mining coward. Not only that you can't even follow what YOU say! How pathetic is that? Just another a snide, cowardly comment from a cowardly, insipid troll.ET
October 21, 2020
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Extremely Tenuous
Just because I understand science better than mealy mouth mac, Bob O’H and all evolutionists, doesn’t mean I even care about publishing any work in peer-review.
Translation: I am so afraid of criticism, laughter and rejection that I don't submit my work to peer-reviewed journals.Mac McTavish
October 21, 2020
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Just because I understand science better than mealy mouth mac, Bob O'H and all evolutionists, doesn't mean I even care about publishing any work in peer-review. As a matter of fact I say all work could be published online for free and let the world review it.ET
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daves, Stop being a jerk. Look at the trope I am responding to.ET
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ET, Please lower the rhetorical voltage.daveS
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No, mealy Mouth, you were just being your usual punk self. I didn't take it as an insult. You are too much of a loser to insult anyone. It is as I already said- a snide, cowardly comment from a cowardly, insipid troll.ET
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Erroneously Talented
Look, punk, YOU brought me into this discussion with your snide, cowardly BS..... It’s all in comment #3, loser.
I assume that you are referring to this
Maybe those here who have published papers could inform us. ET? KF? WJM?
I was simply asking a question of three frequent commenters. Given the nature of their comments I simply assumed that they had experience in publishing papers. Was I mistaken? That you took it as an insult speaks volumes.Mac McTavish
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Look, punk, YOU brought me into this discussion with your snide, cowardly BS. Mac and cheese
I’m curious. How did I do this?
By being your usual cowardly, punk self. It's all in comment #3, loser. And only a cowardly loser and poseur would think I am being the bully. I am exposing you for being a liar, quote-mining loser and insipid troll. Don't blame me.ET
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Mac and cheese:
The context was a specific Elsevier open access paper (see OP for reference).
WRONG! Your comment @ 3 was a general reference and not specific to the OP. Read it for yourself, loser:
Aaron, as far as I know, authors don’t get paid extra for publishing open access papers. I think they have to pay a hefty fee. But I could be wrong. Maybe those here who have published papers could inform us. ET? KF? WJM?
It had NOTHING to do with the paper in the OP. As I said- you are a punk and a loser.ET
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Encephelatically Turgid
Look, punk, YOU brought me into this discussion with your snide, cowardly BS.
I’m curious. How did I do this? I will certainly try to avoid it in the future. Nobody enjoys your childish schoolyard bully tactics. Most of us grew out of that immature phase decades ago.Mac McTavish
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ET
The context was in general and not for any specific journal.
You should put those goalposts on wheels. It will make them easier to shift. The context was a specific Elsevier open access paper (see OP for reference). As a friend of mine is fond of saying, context is important. You would be well advised to keep that in mind.Mac McTavish
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Mac and cheese:
On one hand we have someone who has published numerous peer reviewed papers, and continues to do so.
In a limited context.
On the other hand we have someone who’s expertise is limited to insulting people on a fringe web site.
Look, punk, YOU brought me into this discussion with your snide, cowardly BS. YOU are the insipid troll who can only try to insult people. And then when your nonsense is exposed to try to change the subject and act all innocent. You are a loser. And I don't care who you listen to. You are obviously too stupid to assess the evidence and reach and rational inference.ET
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ET
Yes, Mac and cheese. That is part of Bob’s very limited knowledge.
Hmm. On one hand we have someone who has published numerous peer reviewed papers, and continues to do so. On the other hand we have someone who’s expertise is limited to insulting people on a fringe web site. So, who should I listen to about the intricacies about how peer reviewed papers are published?Mac McTavish
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Mac and cheese:
For this journal there are two types of open access.
The context was in general and not for any specific journal. But I understand why you would want to move the goalpost.ET
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Yes, Mac and cheese. That is part of Bob's very limited knowledge.ET
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ET
Bob, your “knowledge” seems to be very, very limited.
Bob has published numerous peer reviewed papers. How many have you published?Mac McTavish
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ET
Again, “open access” vs “gold open access”. The gold seems to be hefty but that should have been figured in and taken care of prior to the research. It is a choice, after all.
For this journal there are two types of open access. The gold, in which the author (or employer) pays a hefty fee. The green, in which subscriptions pay for open access, after 24 months. Is this paper two years old?Mac McTavish
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JVL- The fees depend on the journal and level of access. Sometimes open-access is free.ET
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Bob, your "knowledge" seems to be very, very limited. And your ability to apply that knowledge also appears to be very, very limited. Again, "open access" vs "gold open access". The gold seems to be hefty but that should have been figured in and taken care of prior to the research. It is a choice, after all.ET
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