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In the recent thread “That’s gotta hurt” Bill Cole states:

I think over the next few years 3 other origins (my note: together with OOL), will start to be recognized as equally hard to explain:

  • The origin of eukaryotic cell: difficult to explain the origin of the spliceosome, the nuclear pore complex and chromosome structure.
  • The origin of multicellular life: difficult to explain the origin of the ability to build complex body plans.
  • The origin of man: difficult to explain the origin of language and complex thought.

That thought is perfectly correct. There are, in natural history, a few fundamental transitions which scream design more that anything else. I want to be clear: I stick to my often expressed opinion that each single new complex protein is enough to infer design. But it is equally true that some crucial points in the devlopment of life on earth certainly stand out as major engineering events. So, let’s sum up a few of them:

  1. OOL
  2. The prokaryote – eukaryote transition (IOWs, eukaryogenesis)
  3. The origin of metazoa (multicellular life)
  4. The diversification of the basic phyla and body planes (IOWs, the Cambrian explosion)

Well, to those 4 examples, I would like to add the diversification of all major clades and subphyla.

Of course, another fundamental transition is the one to homo sapiens, but I will not deal with it here: I fully agree with Bill Cole that it is an amazing event under all points of view, but it is also true that it presents some very specific problems, which make it a little bit different from all the other transitions we have considered above.

I will state now in advance the point that I am trying to make here: each of the transitions described requires tons and tons of new, original, highly specific functional information. Therefore, each of those transitions commands an extremely strong inference to design. I will deal in particular with the transition to the subphylum of vertebrates, for a series of reasons: being vertebrates, we are naturally specially interested in that transition; there are a lot of fully sequenced genomes and proteomes of vertebrate species ;  and a lot is known about vertebrate biology. IOWs, we have a lot of data that can help us in our reasoning. So, I will  try to fix a few basic points which will be the foundation of our analysis:

  • a) The basic phylum is Chordates, which are characterized by the presence of a notochord. Chordates include three different clades: Craniata, Tunicata, Cephalochordata.
  • b) Vertebrates are a subphylum of the phylum Chordates, and in particular of the clade Craniata. They represent the vast majority of Chordates, with  about 64,000 species described. As the name suggests, they are characterized by the presence of a vertebral column, either cartilaginous or bony, which replaces the notochord.
  • c) The phylum Chordate, like other phyla, can be traced at least to the Cambrian explosion (540 million years ago).
  • d) Chordates which are not vertebrates are quite rare today. They include:
    • 1) Craniata: the only craniates which are not vertebrates are in the class Myxini (hagfish), whose classification however remains somewhat controversial. All other craniates are vertebrates.
    • 2) Tunicata (or urochordata): about 3000 species, the best known and studied is Ciona intestinalis.
    • 3) Cephalochordata: about 30 species of Lancelets.
  • e) The phyla most closely related to Chordates are Hemichordates (like the Acorn worm) and Echinoderms (Starfish, Sea urchins, Sea cucumbers).
  • f) Vertebrates can be divided into the following two groups:
    • 1) Fishes: 3 Classes:
      • 1a) Jawless  (lampreys)
      • 1b)  Cartilaginous (sharks, rays, chimaeras)
      • 1c) Bony fish
    • 2) Tetrapods: all the rest (frogs, snakes, birds, mammals)

For the following analysis, I will consider vertebrates versus everything which preceded them (all metazoa, including “pre-chordates” (Hemichordates and Echinoderms) and “early chordates”  (Tunicata and Cephalochordata). So, everything which is new in vertebrates had to appear in the window between early chordates and the first vertebrates: cartilaginous fish and bony fish (I will not refer to lampreys, because the data are rather scarce). So, let’s try to define the temporal window, for what it is possible:

  • Chordates are already present at the Cambrian explosion, 540 my ago.
  • Jawless fish appeared slightly later (about 530 my ago), but they are mostly extinct.
  • The split of jawless fish into cartilaginous fish and bony fish can be traced about at 450 my ago

Therefore, with all the caution that is required, we can say that the information which can be found in both cartilaginous fish and bony fish, but not in non vertebrates (including early chordates), must have been generated in a window of less that 100 my, say between 540 my ago and 450 my ago. Now, my point is very simple: we can safely state that in that window of less than 100 million years a lot of new complex functional information was generated. Really a lot. To begin our reasoning, we can say that vertebrates are characterized by the remarkable development of two major relational systems:

  1. The adaptive immune system, which appears for the first time exactly in vertebrates.
  2. The nervous system, which is obviously well represented in all metazoa, but certainly reaches new important adaptations in vertebrates.

Much can be said about the adaptive immune system, and that will probably be the object of a future OP. For the moment, however, I will discuss some aspects linked to the development of the nervous system. The only point that is important here is that the nervous system of vertebrates undergoes many important modifications, especially a process of encephalization.  My interest is mainly in the developmental controls that are involved in the realization of the new body plans and structures linked to those processes. Of course, we don’t understand how those regulations are achieved. But today we know much about some molecules, especially regulatory proteins, which have an important role in the embryonal development of the vertebrate nervous system, and in particular in the development and migration of neurons, which is obviously the foundation for the achievement of the final structure and function of the nervous system. So, I will link here a recent paper which deals with some important knowledge about the process of neuron migration. I invite all those interested to read it carefully: Sticky situations: recent advances in control of cell adhesion during neuronal migration by David J. Solecki Here is the abstract:

The migration of neurons along glial fibers from a germinal zone (GZ) to their final laminar positions is essential for morphogenesis of the developing brain, aberrations in this process are linked to profound neurodevelopmental and cognitive disorders. During this critical morphogenic movement, neurons must navigate complex migration paths, propelling their cell bodies through the dense cellular environment of the developing nervous system to their final destinations. It is not understood how neurons can successfully migrate along their glial guides through the myriad processes and cell bodies of neighboring neurons. Although much progress has been made in understanding the substrates (14), guidance mechanisms (57), cytoskeletal elements (810), and post-translational modifications (1113) required for neuronal migration, we have yet to elucidate how neurons regulate their cellular interactions and adhesive specificity to follow the appropriate migratory pathways. Here I will examine recent developments in our understanding of the mechanisms controlling neuronal cell adhesion and how these mechanisms interact with crucial neurodevelopmental events, such as GZ exit, migration pathway selection, multipolar-to-radial transition, and final lamination.

In brief, the author reviews what is known about the process of neuronal cell adhesion and migration. Starting from that paper and some other material, I have chosen a group of six regulatory proteins which seem to have an important role in the above process. They are rather long and complex proteins, particularly good for an information analysis. Here is the list. I give first the name of the protein, and then the length and accession number in Uniprot for the human protein:

  • Astrotactin 1,     1302 AAs,     O14525
  • Astrotactin 2,    1339 AAs,     O75129
  • BRNP1 (BMP/retinoic acid-inducible neural-specific protein 1),     761 AAs,     O60477
  • Cadherin 2 (CADH2),      906 AAs,    P19022
  • Integrin alpha-V,    1048 AAs,      P06756
  • Neural cell adhesion molecule 1 (NCAM1),   858 AAs,  P13591

This is a  very interesting bunch of molecules:

  • Astrotactin 1 and 2 are two partially related perforin-like proteins. ASTN-1 is a membrane protein which is directly responsible for the formation of neuron–glial fibre contacts. ASTN2 is not a neuron-glial adhesion molecule, but it functions in cerebellar granule neuron (CGN)-glial junction formation by forming a complex with ASTN1 to regulate ASTN1 cell surface recruitment. More about these very interesting proteins can be found in the following paper:

Structure of astrotactin-2: a conserved vertebrate-specific and perforin-like membrane protein involved in neuronal development by Tao Ni, Karl Harlos, and Robert Gilbert

  • BRNP1 is another  protein which functions in neural cell migration and guidance
  • Cadherin 2, or N-cadherin, is active in many neuronal funtions and in other tissues, and seems to have a crucial role in glial-guided migration of neurons
  • Integrin alpha-V, or Vitronectin receptor, is one of the 18 alpha subunits of integrins in mammals. Integrins are transmembrane receptors that are the bridges for cell-cell and cell-extracellular matrix (ECM) interactions.
  • NCAM1 is a cell adhesion molecule involved in neuron-neuron adhesion, neurite fasciculation, outgrowth of neurites

Now, why have I chosen these six proteins, and what do they have in common? They have two important things in common:

  • They are all big regulatory proteins, and they are all involved in a similar regulatory network which controls endocytosis, cell adhesion and cell migration in neurons, and therefore is in part responsible for the correct development of the vertebrate nervous system
  • All those six proteins present a very big informarion jump between pre-vertebrate organisms and the first vertebrates

The evolutionary history of those six protein is summarized in the following graph, realized as usual by computing the best homology bit score with the human protein in different groups of organisms.

Neuron_migration

Very briefly, all the six human molecules have low homology with pre-vertebrates, while they already show a very high homology  in cartilaginous fishes. The most striking example is probably Astrotactin 2, which presents the biggest jump from cephalochordata (329 bits) to cartilaginous fishes (1860 bits), for a great total of 1531 bits of jump! The range of individual jumps in the group is 745 – 1531 bits, with a mean jump of 1046 bits per molecule and a total jump of 6275 bits for all six molecules. The jump has always been computed as the difference between the best bit score in cartilaginous fishes and the best bitscore in all pre-vertebrate metazoa. We can also observe that the first three proteins have really low homology with everything up to tunicates, but show a definite increase in Cephalochordata, which precedes the big jump in cartilaginous fishes, while the other three molecules have a rather constant behaviour in all pre-vertebrate metazoa, with a few hundred bits of homology, before “jumping” up in sharks. One could ask: is that a common behaviour of all proteins? The answer is no. Look at the following graph, which shows the same evolutionary history for two other proteins, both of them very big regulatory proteins, both of them implied in the same processes as the previous six.

Neuron_migration2

Here, the behaviour is completely different. While there is a slight increase of homology in time, with a few smaller “jumps”, there is nothing comparable to the thousand bit jumps in the first six molecules. IOWs, these two molecules already show a very high level of homology to the human form in pre-vertebrates, and change only relatively little in vertebrates. We can say, therefore, that most of the functional information in these two proteins was already present before the transition to vertebrates.

So, to sum up:

  • a) The six proteins analyzed here all exhibit a huge informational jump between pre-vertebrates and vertebrates. The total functional informational novelty for just this small group of proteins is more than 6000 bits, with a mean of more than 1000 bits per protein.
  • b) These proteins are probably crucial agents in a much more complex regulation network implied in neuron adhesion, endocytosis, migration, and in the end in the vast developmental process which makes individual neurons migrate to their specific individual locations in the vertebrate body plan.
  • c) The above process is certainly much more complex than the six proteins we have considered, and implies other proteins and obviously many non coding elements. Our six proteins, therefore, can be considered as a tiny sample of the general complexity of the process, and of the informational novelty implied in the process itself.
  • d) Moreover, the process regulating neuron migration is certainly strictly integrated, with so many agents working in a coordinated way. Therefore, there is obviously a strong element of irreducible complexity implied in the whole informational novelty of the vertebrate process, an element that we can only barely envisage, because we still understand too little.
  • e) The neuron regulation process, of course, is only a part of the informational novelty implied in vertebrates, a small sample of a much more complex reality. For example, there is a lot of similar novelty implied in the workings of the immune system, of the cytokine signaling system, and so on.
  • f) The jump described here is really a jump: there is no trace of intermediate forms which can explain that jump in all existing pre-vertebrates. Of course, neo darwinists can always dream of lost intermediates in extinct species. This is a free world.
  • g) Are these 6000+ bits of functional information really functional? Yes, they are. Why? because they have been conserved for more than 400 million years. Remember, the transition we have considered happens between the first chordates and cartilaginous fish, and it can be traced to that range of time. And those 6000+ bits are bits of homology between cartilaginous fish and humans.
  • h) How much is 6000 bits of functional information? It is really a lot! Remember, Dembski’s Universal Probability Bound, taking in consideration the whole reasonable probabilistic resource of our whole universe from the Big Bang to now, is just 500 bits. 6000 bits correspond to a search space of 2^6000, IOWs about 10^2000, a number so big that we cannot even begin to visualize it. It’s good to remind ourselves, from time to time, that we are dealing with exponential values.
  • i) How great is the probability that 6000 bits of functional information can be generated in a window time of less than 100 million years, by some unguided process of RV + NS in six objects connected in an irreducibly complex system, even if RV were really helped by some NS in intermediates of which there is no trace? The answer is simple: practically non existent.
  • j) Therefore, the tiny sample of six proteins that we have considered here, which is only a small part of a much bigger scenario, points with extreme strength to a definite design inference:

The transition to vertebrates was a highly engineered process. The necessary functional information was added by design.

Comments
gpuccio @52
Well, I have tried to apply a very simple method to measure dFSCI in the existing proteome, and to derive interesting conclusions from those measurements.
As far as I can tell, the method you have applied seems so clear that even I have started to understand it. Hence, other biology-illiterate folks like me should have no problem understanding your point. However, here's an important caveat: one must be willing to understand it. Otherwise, it won't matter how simple the method you apply is or how well you try to explain it, or how much effort you put into writing the OP, with the best known pedagogical approach, even using the 'state of the art' latest and greatest techniques for science education as described in the papers available from Springer today (see News post on this). Any person participating in this discussion but unwilling to at least understand your message -though not necessarily agreeing with it- should go back to their natural habitat in the beautiful Norwegian fjords! :) One humble way to understand anything is asking questions to learn. One way to discern the real motives of any participant in a discussion is asking them simple questions and watching how they react. Regarding the outdated (worn out) 'gods of the gaps' argument, I prefer the title "God of the entire show" coined by professor John Lennox. No one hiding behind such a vacuous 'gods of the gaps' concept would post over 2,500 references to most recent biology research papers within the last couple of years in just two threads in this site ("Mystery at the heart of life" and "Third way of evolution?"). Interesting if there's another similar blog, on the opposite side of the ongoing argument, that has posted at least that many paper references within that time period lately. The opposite worldview is the one hiding behind outdated neo-Darwinian pseudoscience that leads nowhere. They better wake up and join us in this cheerful celebration of every new discovery before their ship sinks completely. We ain't seen nothing yet. The best is still ahead. We should look forward, with increasing anticipation, to reading future research papers shedding more light on the elaborate molecular and cellular choreographies orchestrated within the biological systems. Every new discovery unveils parts of the biological systems that can only be explained through design principles.Dionisio
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Moreover, to invoke a “god of the gaps” objection when I have never, either directly or indirectly, referred to God in my post (as I never do when I discuss science) is rather surprising.
Exactly, your opponent invoked a strawman argument.bill cole
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gpuccio @52-53 Ok, now it seems like you have turned up the thermostat in this discussion thread. :) Thank you!Dionisio
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This excellent OP clearly points to the undeniable fact that substantial amounts of complex specified information appear to be added to the referred proteins within a relatively short biological time interval. Some interlocutors may express their dissatisfaction with the logical conclusions derived from this OP. That's fine. They have the right to believe whatever they want. But people's beliefs don't change the evidences that point to reality. Note that even figuring out how the complex specified information got added to those proteins won't take us far from the starting point on the way to fully understand the whole enchilada of the development process of biological systems. For example, this was posted @1026 in the thread under this link: https://uncommondescent.com/evolution/a-third-way-of-evolution/#comment-612183
Given any case of known evolutionary divergence, it could be described as: Dev(d1) = Dev(ca) + Delta(d1) Dev(d2) = Dev(ca) + Delta(d2) Where Dev(x) is the developmental process of any given biological system x Delta(x) is the whole set of spatiotemporal procedural differences required to produce Dev(x). d1 and d2 are two descendants of their common ancestor (ca). Assuming the Dev(x) are well known, what hypothetical Delta(d1) and Delta(d2) could be suggested for the following cases? Case 1: d1 = placental mammals; d2 = marsupials; Case 2: d1 = placental; d2 = monotreme; Just point to the literature that explains this in details. The explanation must be comprehensive, logically coherent and it must hold water under any kind of thorough examination.
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Dionisio and all: Ah, I was forgetting an important thing. The method I have applied, even if simpler and a little different, owes everything to the concepts developed by Durston et al. in this fundamental paper of 2007: Measuring the functional sequence complexity of proteins https://tbiomed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-4682-4-47 I could not be more grateful to him and to all those who, like him, are trying to develop some scientific perspective based on the ID paradigm, against untold difficulties.gpuccio
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Dionisio: Well, just to help our interlocutors to join the discussion, I will try to highlight a few points which can be derived from this post (and from those which have preceded it). They are, IMO, points which deserve discussion, beyond any "God of the gaps" distraction: 1) Our opponents have often stated, during the last years, that CSI or dFSCI is an abstract and useless concept, that it cannot be measured, that even if measured it has no meaning and practical application Well, I have tried to apply a very simple method to measure dFSCI in the existing proteome, and to derive interesting conclusions from those measurements. 2) The method is simple enough: I use the bit score of homology which can be easily found by comparing proteins in the publicly available BLAST software. That bit score is a good measure of functional information in a molecule, provided that the molecules we are comparing can be traced to some ancient split (in this case, the 400+ million years that divide cartilaginous fish from humans). With such chronological separations, any important homology conserved through time can be explained only as the result of strong negative selection, and therefore strong functional constraints. In many cases, a computation of the ka/ks ration can confirm the degree of functional constraints acting on the molecule. 3) Applying that method to a specific split, and therefore to a specific time window, and to specific proteins (long regulatory proteins which are implied in important developmental organization) I have found consistent results indicating a very important generation of functional information, in many similar molecules, and with a potential component of high irreducible complexity. IMO, that is a very interesting result. 4) The same method allows us to distinguish between proteins which undergo some massive growth of functional information, and other proteins, implied in similar networks, which instead simply retain their original information in the same time split. That is again an interesting result, and can be a starting point to try to understand the behaviour of these proteins, given that at present we understand very little of the whole developmental regulation, in this case, of the nervous system. OK, my point is simply: right or wrong, these ideas are scientific ideas, and deserve, IMO, to be addressed on a scientific plane, and not only with some philosophical attempt at denial.gpuccio
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gpuccio @42
That’s why the test of long conservation in natural history is the best test of functionality. If variation is not allowed for 400+ million years, you can bet that what you have is functional!
Yes, that's a very good point. Now, how did we get that conserved functional stuff in there to begin with? That's probably a challenging issue, isn't it? :) Maybe your interlocutors can help to answer that? :)Dionisio
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It is amazing the number of otherwise intelligent people who (over and over and over again) repeat the same fallacy. They certainly would not go out in public and proclaim "I merely assume my conclusions", yet, that is exactly what they do every time the speak the words "God of the Gaps". Moreover, they expect everyone else to simply assume they are right as well. Must be nice. It's not so good for the practice of science though. It's the ultimate science stopper, leaving the institution with no way to correct itself.Upright BiPed
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bill (and CLAUDIUS): Moreover, to invoke a "god of the gaps" objection when I have never, either directly or indirectly, referred to God in my post (as I never do when I discuss science) is rather surprising. Maybe I should focus more on "Christian apologetics"! :)gpuccio
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bill: "naturalism of the gaps" is a great way to describe what we daily see in our opponents'discourse. However, while "God" is a rather precise concept, at least in its general meaning, I would say that "nature" and "naturalism" have no definite meaning at all, as I have argued many times.gpuccio
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Gpuccio I agree with you on the God of the gaps argument. When someone resorts to that tactic I assume victory :-) Scientism assumes a natural scientific explanation sometime in the future i.e. naturalism of the gaps. Design is an inference of what we are observing today and our current knowledge, however we know science is always tentative.bill cole
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Irreducible complexity is an indisputable fact Claud. Neither you nor anyone else can overcome the physics. Your only option is to ignore the physics and assume your conclusions in its place. And that's why you do it.Upright BiPed
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CLAVDIVS: Thank you for commenting. You are definitely the first from the other side who comments about this post, so you deserve special attention. :) I don't know if your colleagues are "bored", as you assume. Certainly, they have been very active in other threads, including some of mine. And they are certainly very active in some threads which, as you say, "focus on topics related to Christian apologetics", where I rarely take part. Human behaviour is really mysterious, after all. Of course, I don't agree with your pessimistic views about ID. I am sure that we will be around for a long, long time (at least until neo-darwinist understand their errors!) :) I don't understand your "God of the gaps" reasoning. Excuse me, I have pointed to objective patterns which, IMO, can never be explained by the current theories about evolution. Being an ID proponent, I strongly suggest that a design explanation is warranted. You may disagree, but even if you don't like the design paradigm, having definite objective and scientific patterns which falsify the current explanations that everybody seems to accept should get your attention anyway, even in a blog which focuses on topics related to Christian apologetics, and in which you are however taking part. Calling those concepts "God of the gaps arguments" will not solve the problem. I think I can expect something better from an intelligent person as you certainly are, something like: "No, look, your argument is wrong for this and that reason, and those patterns that you show in your post can easily be explained in this or that way". The "God of the gaps" escape, frankly, is a little disappointing. OK, I am just telling it how I see it. We are, perhaps, kindred souls.gpuccio
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gpuccio I suspect ID objectors are not commenting because they are bored. I know I am. I acknowledge you've invested time and effort into the OP, but it appears to be yet another God-of-the-gaps argument. You are putting the label "design" on gaps in our understanding of nature, but you are not telling us anything about the design process or the designer. This approach does not add anything to our knowledge so far as I can see. Around 10 years ago ID was in the media, academic and political spotlight. But not any more. CSI, the explanatory filter, and irreducible complexity are now moribund God-of-the-gaps arguments too, and ID has not come up with anything else new. ID discussions are confined virtually completely to this blog, which has banned most of the interesting opponents and now seems to focus on topics related to Christian apologetics. Just telling it how I see it. Sincerely CLAVDIVSCLAVDIVS
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mk: "what is the chance that this kind of car will evolve into an airplane?" Non existent. The fact is, new functions do not arise, especially if they are complex, unless someone designs them. That's one of the biggest problems with the concept of NS. NS can only tweak what already exists. As a car will not become an airplane, so a snake will not become a bird without some new original complex design. Berlinski has pointed exactly to that concept in his famous and priceless video about whale evolution.gpuccio
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Dioniso at #41: "Similarly, certain things in biological systems might have functionality that is not easily detectable because it isn’t that obvious or it could be hard to determine, unless more thorough examination is done." Exactly! That's why the test of long conservation in natural history is the best test of functionality. If variation is not allowed for 400+ million years, you can bet that what you have is functional! :)gpuccio
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mk @40 Your answer is correct. Thank you. Basically none of the 10 tests performed were related to the actual function of the small TV screens. In order to find the functional value of those artifacts they could have done other (more sophisticated) tests. For example, remove the TV screens from some of the airplanes have various groups of passengers fly the same long route with and without the TV screens. Then ask the passengers to complete a thorough survey about their flights. Perhaps some of the passengers will point to the TV screens as a nice feature for long flights. Boring folks like me who read PDF documents stored in tablets instead of watching some videos or playing games might not notice the presence or lack of those TV screens. But passengers like my wife, who watches films during the transoceanic flights, would complain about the lack of those things. :) Eventually some passengers might decide to book their future trips with other airlines that have TV screens in the economy class seats. The economic effect of the decision to remove or not install such TVs could be felt by the mistaken airline at some point. Similarly, certain things in biological systems might have functionality that is not easily detectable because it isn't that obvious or it could be hard to determine, unless more thorough examination is done.Dionisio
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The 10-point summary at the end of the OP is very helpful.Dionisio
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hi dionisio. my answer to the question(if i undnerstand it correctly)will be no. because it doesnt have any connection to this screen.mk
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hi gpuccio. i actually refer to the chance that any match part will exist and not the chance to find it in the sequence space. its very unique argument that i never found in any id\creation site. i also have a very good analogy for your claim about ic. lets say that we will have a self replicating car with dna. what is the chance that this kind of car will evolve into an airplane?mk
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gpuccio One can easily tell that you did a very thorough research for this OP. Thank you. As usual, the graphs are very helpful to visualize the information jumps explained in the text. Also, you have mastered the art of making such a technical subject as this a little more 'chewable' and 'digestible' for the biology-illiterate folks like me. That effort is very appreciated. BTW, very interesting papers referenced in your OP: Sticky situations: recent advances in control of cell adhesion during neuronal migration by David J. Soleck Structure of astrotactin-2: a conserved vertebrate-specific and perforin-like membrane protein involved in neuronal development by Tao Ni, Karl Harlos, and Robert Gilbert Much food for thoughts in this OP. Still processing it.Dionisio
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Dionisio: "BTW, have you noticed that the “aggressive” interlocutors have not posted any comments yet? " gilthill: "Also, do you ear the deafening silence of the opposition?" True. Maybe it's only a question of time. OK, I will say it: Alicia, I miss you! :)gpuccio
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gilthill: Thank you! :)gpuccio
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A great post indeed. Many thanks to gp for this gem. Also, do you ear the deafening silence of the opposition ?gilthill
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Mung: "Can’t wait to see the Kenneth Miller cat-trap tie clip." :) :) :) Mung, you are priceless!gpuccio
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Anaxagoras: I am happy you liked my homework! It was hard work... :)gpuccio
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UB: Thank you, my friend. :)gpuccio
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J-Mac: Thank you! :)gpuccio
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UNDENIABLE!!! The intuition for a designed system is impossible to avoid. Scientific homework confirms that a naturalistic unguided explanation lacks any credibilityAnaxagoras
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gpuccio, I think your OP could only be improved if it had a References section at the end. I've always found the immune system to be fascinating. It doesn't hurt that the immune system itself is supposed to be an example of evolution in action. Can't wait to hear more on that. Evolution is True.Mung
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