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Which Part of Evolutionary Theory is Self-Evidently Wrong?

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UD’s dear commenter Elizabeth Liddle (whom I greatly admire for her respectful dissent from our dissent from evolutionary orthodoxy) asks the question in the title of my post.

Upon hearing this challenge my first reaction was, Where to begin? I’ll begin with two self-evidently wrong propositions of evolutionary theory.

1) Gradualism. Attempts to cram the fossil evidence into the gradualistic model display transparent desperation to make the evidence fit the theory. The fossil record testifies consistently and persuasively to three things: stasis, abrupt extinction, and abrupt appearance of new functional life forms. In addition, common sense argues that there is no gradualistic pathway for almost any biologically complex and functionally integrated system. A simple example is the avian lung. There is no conceivably logical gradualistic pathway from a reptilian bellows lung to an avian circulatory lung, because the intermediates would immediately die of asphyxiation.

Furthermore, attempts by Darwinists to explain away this kind of obvious problem strike ID folks — we consider ourselves, by the way, to be the real “free thinkers” concerning origins — as desperate attempts motivated by a desire to defend a theory in evidential and logical crisis.

2) The biologically creative evolutionary power of stochastic events filtered by natural selection.

This proposition is dead-simply, obviously, and empirically unreasonable (except in isolated pathological instances such as bacterial antibiotic resistance, in which case the probabilistic resources are available to allow informational degradation to provide a temporary survival advantage). Natural selection is irrelevant. Throwing out failed experiments does nothing to increase the creative power of random events. Simple combinatorial mathematics render the stochastic proposition completely unreasonable.

The two examples I’ve provided I find to be self-evidently wrong.

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It is good thus to try in our imagination to give any form some advantage over another. Probably in no single instance should we know what to do, so as to succeed. It will convince us of our ignorance on the mutual relations of all organic beings; a conviction as necessary, as it seems to be difficult to acquire. All that we can do, is to keep steadily in mind that each organic being is striving to increase at a geometrical ratio; that each at some period of its life, during some season of the year, during each generation or at intervals, has to struggle for life, and to suffer great destruction. When we reflect on this struggle, we may console ourselves with the full belief, that the war of nature is not incessant, that no fear is felt, that death is generally prompt, and that the vigorous, the healthy, and the happy survive and multiply.
LOL. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/origin/chapter3.htmlMung
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The Struggle for Existence Charles Darwin:
A struggle for existence inevitably follows from the high rate at which all organic beings tend to increase. Every being, which during its natural lifetime produces several eggs or seeds, must suffer destruction during some period of its life, and during some season or occasional year, otherwise, on the principle of geometrical increase, its numbers would quickly become so inordinately great that no country could support the product. Hence, as more individuals are produced than can possibly survive, there must in every case be a struggle for existence, either one individual with another of the same species, or with the individuals of distinct species, or with the physical conditions of life. It is the doctrine of Malthus applied with manifold force to the whole animal and vegetable kingdoms; for in this case there can be no artificial increase of food, and no prudential restraint from marriage. Although some species may be now increasing, more or less rapidly, in numbers, all cannot do so, for the world would not hold them. There is no exception to the rule that every organic being naturally increases at so high a rate, that if not destroyed, the earth would soon be covered by the progeny of a single pair.
Can someone other than Elizabeth let me know how what I wrote so far misses the mark that it cannot even be considered a fair paraphrase? Funny how Darwin mentions "no artificial increase of food." Does that mean his theory does was not applicable to humans, who had developed agriculture?Mung
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Mung,
How does Darwin arrive at the conclusion that more individuals are born than can possibly survive? Not by observation! He got the idea from reading Malthus.]
Or from his own kids dying.Clive Hayden
July 23, 2011
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Nick, Take a tranquilizer and try to calm down. You're doing more damage than good for your cause.GilDodgen
July 23, 2011
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Elizabeth Liddle:
Well, let’s suppose for a moment that by “all organisms” you mean “all populations” (because clearly all organisms don’t produce offspring
Let's not assume that. Let's assume that I meant the same thing that Darwin meant when he wrote:
The struggle for existence inevitably follows from the high geometrical ratio of increase which is common to all organic beings.
Darwin said all organic beings. I said all organisms. I think I pretty much nailed it for someone who didn't have his text right in front of me when I wrote.
Simply by pointing out that your words are not a paraphrase of Darwin’s.
lol.
Read it again, then try to map your own words on to Darwin’s.
Why? As it is you refuse to see what is right in front of your face. I have no reason to think that mapping my words to Darwin's will change anything. Darwin:
The struggle for existence inevitably follows from the high geometrical ratio of increase which is common to all organic beings...More individuals are born than can possibly survive.
Organisms produce more offspring than can possibly survive. You even put it in bold, and then promptly ignored it. Why does this "fact" result in a "struggle for existence"? [Side note: I've been over this ground with Elizabeth before. How does Darwin arrive at the conclusion that more individuals are born than can possibly survive? Not by observation! He got the idea from reading Malthus.]Mung
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Liz, For what it's worth, God bless. Until next time, GilbertGilDodgen
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In addition, common sense argues that there is no gradualistic pathway for almost any biologically complex and functionally integrated system. A simple example is the avian lung. There is no conceivably logical gradualistic pathway from a reptilian bellows lung to an avian circulatory lung, because the intermediates would immediately die of asphyxiation.
Once again, we see ID/God-of-the-Gaps thinking in allegedly non-creationist "ID". And, as usual, the biggest problem is not that someone is invoking God to plug a gap in *human* knowledge -- it's that one is dragging God down solely to plug gaps **in their own, personal, very limited knowledge**! Do some research, for goodness sake! Scientists will never take you seriously if you assert thing are inconceivable that have in fact already been conceived! Read e.g.: http://ncse.com/book/export/html/2126
Explore Evolution asks its readers: What would the intermediate forms between the single openings (in-and-out) reptilian lung and a dual opening (flow through) avian lung look like? How would it happen in small yet advantageous steps? Can there even be a transition between a single-opening and a dual-opening system? How would the balloon-like alveoli transform into the tube-like parabronchi? How would the lung maintain function? Would the lung transformation happen before or after the development of air sacs? Would it be before or after the four stage breathing cycle? EE, p. 137 Lungs of various amniotes, mapped onto the phylogeny of the respective organisms: Mammals are very distant from birds and neither the mammalian diaphragm nor the alveolar lung is thought to be an ancestral character for the lineage leading to birds. The crocodile hepatic-piston method of ventilating the lungs (muscles pulling the liver backwards and thereby expanding the chest cavity) is not homologous to the mammalian diaphragm, and neither basal reptiles nor birds have diaphragms, so it is incorrect to claim that it is "almost certain" that dinosaurs had diaphragms. Perforations (holes) between lung chambers, however, are shared by birds and crocodiles, and thought to be ancestral, so the alleged "topological" problem in producing the bird flow-through lung is imaginary. Sauropods are known to have air sacs from fossil evidence, so air sacs were attached to the lungs of the dinosaurian ancestors of birds for tens of millions of years before theropod dinosaurs and then birds arose. Phylogeny diagram by Nick Matzke. Lungs modified from Figure 1, p. 152 of: Perry, Steven F. (1992). "Gas exchange strategies in reptiles and the origin of the avian lung". Physiological Adaptations in Vertebrates. Wood, S. C., Weber, R. E., Hargens, A. R. and Millard, R. W., Eds. New York, Marcel Dekker: 149–167.Lungs of various amniotes, mapped onto the phylogeny of the respective organisms: Mammals are very distant from birds and neither the mammalian diaphragm nor the alveolar lung is thought to be an ancestral character for the lineage leading to birds. The crocodile hepatic-piston method of ventilating the lungs (muscles pulling the liver backwards and thereby expanding the chest cavity) is not homologous to the mammalian diaphragm, and neither basal reptiles nor birds have diaphragms, so it is incorrect to claim that it is "almost certain" that dinosaurs had diaphragms. Perforations (holes) between lung chambers, however, are shared by birds and crocodiles, and thought to be ancestral, so the alleged "topological" problem in producing the bird flow-through lung is imaginary. Sauropods are known to have air sacs from fossil evidence, so air sacs were attached to the lungs of the dinosaurian ancestors of birds for tens of millions of years before theropod dinosaurs and then birds arose. Phylogeny diagram by Nick Matzke. Lungs modified from Figure 1, p. 152 of: Perry, Steven F. (1992). "Gas exchange strategies in reptiles and the origin of the avian lung". Physiological Adaptations in Vertebrates. Wood, S. C., Weber, R. E., Hargens, A. R. and Millard, R. W., Eds. New York, Marcel Dekker: 149–167. Perry's (1992) model for the origin of bird lungs: Perry's (1992) model for the origin of bird lungs, showing the relationship to the crocodilian lung. Archosaur and theropod lungs are hypothetical constructs. Extinct groups are marked with a "+", and perforations between chambers are marked with "*." Perry proposes that these perforations play a crucial role in the stepwise evolution of the avian parabronchi, as indicated in the detail sketches of theropod and avian-grade lungs. CrC and CaC are cranial [forward part of the trunk] and caudal [rearward part of the trunk] chambers, which are connected with the respective regions of the intrapulmonary bronchus. MvB and MdB are avian medioventral bronchi and mediodorsal bronchi, which are proposed to evolve from CrC and CaC, respectively, as indicated by small arrows. From Figure 6, p. 161 of: Perry, Steven F. (1992). "Gas exchange strategies in reptiles and the origin of the avian lung". Physiological Adaptations in Vertebrates. Wood, S. C., Weber, R. E., Hargens, A. R. and Millard, R. W., Eds. New York, Marcel Dekker: 149–167.Perry's (1992) model for the origin of bird lungs: Perry's (1992) model for the origin of bird lungs, showing the relationship to the crocodilian lung. Archosaur and theropod lungs are hypothetical constructs. Extinct groups are marked with a "+", and perforations between chambers are marked with "*." Perry proposes that these perforations play a crucial role in the stepwise evolution of the avian parabronchi, as indicated in the detail sketches of theropod and avian-grade lungs. CrC and CaC are cranial [forward part of the trunk] and caudal [rearward part of the trunk] chambers, which are connected with the respective regions of the intrapulmonary bronchus. MvB and MdB are avian medioventral bronchi and mediodorsal bronchi, which are proposed to evolve from CrC and CaC, respectively, as indicated by small arrows. From Figure 6, p. 161 of: Perry, Steven F. (1992). "Gas exchange strategies in reptiles and the origin of the avian lung". Physiological Adaptations in Vertebrates. Wood, S. C., Weber, R. E., Hargens, A. R. and Millard, R. W., Eds. New York, Marcel Dekker: 149–167. Having asked its audience of high school biology students these detailed questions about evolutionary biology, EE changes topics, without even suggesting the ways that someone might investigate those questions. These students are unlikely to know anything about the anatomy of bird or reptilian lungs, and little if anything about the anatomy of mammalian lungs. They have no experience forming or testing hypotheses about the evolution of anatomical structures, and Explore Evolution offers no references which might fill in that background. The average teacher is likely to be as stymied by these questions as the students. The authors of Explore Evolution seem to be little better informed, and are apparently comfortable leaving students and teachers with no guidance about how to answer the questions posed by the book. Fortunately, scientists are not so incurious. The figure above demonstrates one set of hypotheses about the evolution of lungs and their anatomy. By considering not just two sets of lungs, but the full spectrum of variation in lung morphology, scientists can reconstruct the likely evolutionary pathways, and evaluate whether those intermediates might be functional. Scientists like Steven Perry have proposed detailed models of the evolution of the internal lung morphology, models which answer many of the questions Explore Evolution asks. An inquiry-based textbook might describe this model and invite students to develop ways to test it against new data. Instead, Explore Evolution ignores actual research in order to preserve their creationist argument.
NickMatzke_UD
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Elizabeth Liddle:
Indeed. RM+NS is a pretty cool designer.
And your evidence for this assertion is?Mung
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Gil, thanks for that response. To others I owe responses to - I'll be offline for a bit now, but hope to catch up later. It's been an interesting thread so far :) Cheers LizzieElizabeth Liddle
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Mung:
Mung: “Let’s start with the most basic of all, which is that all organisms at all times and everywhere produce more offspring than there are resources available to support those offspring, thus requiring that they compete for scarce resources in order to survive.” Lizzie: “Well, I would agree that that is untrue.” Apart from whether or not you think it is an accurate portrayal of Darwin’s theory, does it meet your criteria for being obviously wrong? If not, why do you think it is untrue?
Well, let's suppose for a moment that by "all organisms" you mean "all populations" (because clearly all organisms don't produce offspring - I jolly nearly didn't, for one), even then it's not true because for many populations predation is a far greater limitation on population N than resources.
Elizabeth Liddle:
But, interestingly, it is not even what Darwin said…
kairosfocus appears to disagree with you. As do I.
Well, I'd be interested to see where you think Darwin said what you just said. Do you have a reference? Not that it matters. If he said it, he would have been wrong, but it makes no difference to his theory of natural selection, it just oversimplifies the fitness landscapel
Clearly, many populations of organisms produce offspring at a maintenance rate that can be supported by their environment – we say these populations are in equilibrium with their environment.
And thus Darwinism is falsified.
What do you mean by "Darwinism" in this context? Because I can't myself see what aspect of Darwinism is falsified when populations are in equilibrium with their environment. But I'm intrigued.
Can we replace your word “clearly” with the word obviously?
Yes.
Elizabeth Liddle:
But, interestingly, it is not even what Darwin said…
And yet if one reads the quote from Darwin which you were so kind to provide, it quite clearly, obviously and unambiguously is what Darwin said.
Ah. No, it doesn't. Read it again, then try to map your own words on to Darwin's.
So how, in the interest of all that is honest and true, do you justify your claim that it is not what Darwin said?
Simply by pointing out that your words are not a paraphrase of Darwin's.Elizabeth Liddle
July 23, 2011
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Elizabeth:
OK. Certainly if you define creativity in terms of intention, then evolution is not creative. But if you define creativity in terms of its potential products, then I’d argue that it is
You're changing the question. While I'd argue that proposed evolutionary mechanisms are creative neither by intent nor output, that wasn't my statement. I said that throwing out failed experiments is not creative.
In other words, I think it’s important to be clear as to whether you are saying, which is, presumably, that evolution cannot be creative because it is not intentional, and we see what is obviously creative, so there must have been intention.
I'm saying that the process of experimenting, throwing away the bad and keeping the good, and thereby producing improvements in functionality or entirely new functionality cannot happen without intention.
Which is, indeed, why human designers use rm+ns to find elegant and creative solutions to problems that they cannot solve themselves
Like better antennas? I've seen that. It's an algorithm that randomly modifies an antenna form and builds on the variations with the best function. The creativity lies first in the design of the algorithm itself. Note that only changes to form are required, not to any underlying genetic code. Next, by virtue of being an algorithm, it cannot implement its design. That requires more intentional, creative input. What has been hailed as a triumphant demonstration of the power of variation and selection is entirely dependent on intentional, intelligent input and manipulation. It's telling that scientists are looking for evidence of such creative power in simulations while declaring that it already explains everything we see in biology.ScottAndrews
July 23, 2011
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We should, then, you would agree, see living things with “pseudo genes” (coding stretches that are switched off) of the genome that are also highly conserved? Yes, unless the ultimate goal of a front-loaded, designed system has been reached and the work of the dormant code is finished. John A. Davison has suggested that evolution, on a grand scale as in the origin of species, has come to an end. Keep in mind that I am not necessarily a front-loading advocate; it just seems like a reasonable hypothesis to consider.GilDodgen
July 23, 2011
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ScottAndrews:
Elizabeth:
But, in a human designer, throwing out failed experiments is an exercise in creative power, or can be, as long as there is a steady supply of fresh experiments!
Throwing out failed experiments is not creative. It is a byproduct of creativity. Without imagination and experimentation there is no invention. And when it comes to any sort of technology, there is no creativity or experimentation without intention.
OK. Certainly if you define creativity in terms of intention, then evolution is not creative. But if you define creativity in terms of its potential products, then I'd argue that it is :) In other words, I think it's important to be clear as to whether you are saying, which is, presumably, that evolution cannot be creative because it is not intentional, and we see what is obviously creative, so there must have been intention. And I'd say that is incorrect - that innovative solutions (solutions we would regard as "creative" if a human came up with them) can result from rm+ns. Which is, indeed, why human designers use rm+ns to find elegant and creative solutions to problems that they cannot solve themselves :) But let's see if that is actually what you are saying: that rm+ns cannot produce innovative solutions to the problem of surviving and breeding?Elizabeth Liddle
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Mung:
There’s a paper in Nature here if you are interested. Basic avian pulmonary desig and flow-through ventilation in non-avian theropod dinosaurs.
lol. I love it.
Indeed. RM+NS is a pretty cool designer.Elizabeth Liddle
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Gil:
What do you think would prevent dormant code from being degraded over time?
We know that biological systems contain error-detection-and-correction algorithms and mechanisms. If life was front-loaded with dormant code, such algorithms and mechanisms could perform their job on the dormant code as well as the active code. Of course, this would require intelligent design with a view to the future.
OK. That's good, because testable. We should, then, you would agree, see living things with "pseudo genes" (coding stretches that are switched off) of the genome that are also highly conserved? Because that would seem to be a direct prediction of your hypothesis.
And I see your Rachmaninov…
It was Rachmaninov’s music (especially the Second Piano Concerto) that really inspired me to get serious about the piano when I was in junior high school. When I was 17 I finally learned and performed that concerto. I’m currently relearning that great work (43 years later) so I can play it on my seven-foot Baldwin grand in my living room with an orchestra, thanks to music minus one.
:) For me it was Brandenburg 6 :)Elizabeth Liddle
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Elizabeth Liddle:
And although in Darwin’s original formulation he does indeed have Malthusian scenarios in mind, they are not the only scenarios that work with his theory.
HEREMung
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Mung: "Let’s start with the most basic of all, which is that all organisms at all times and everywhere produce more offspring than there are resources available to support those offspring, thus requiring that they compete for scarce resources in order to survive." Lizzie: "Well, I would agree that that is untrue." Apart from whether or not you think it is an accurate portrayal of Darwin's theory, does it meet your criteria for being obviously wrong? If not, why do you think it is untrue? Elizabeth Liddle:
But, interestingly, it is not even what Darwin said...
kairosfocus appears to disagree with you. As do I.
Clearly, many populations of organisms produce offspring at a maintenance rate that can be supported by their environment – we say these populations are in equilibrium with their environment.
And thus Darwinism is falsified. Can we replace your word "clearly" with the word obviously? Elizabeth Liddle:
But, interestingly, it is not even what Darwin said...
And yet if one reads the quote from Darwin which you were so kind to provide, it quite clearly, obviously and unambiguously is what Darwin said. So how, in the interest of all that is honest and true, do you justify your claim that it is not what Darwin said?Mung
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So, what else is obviously wrong with evolutionary theory? Required reading: Darwinian Fairytales: Selfish Genes, Errors of Heredity and Other Fables of EvolutionMung
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So, what else is obviously wrong with evolutionary theory? It's incoherent. It's predictions are vacuous. They lack any real content. It "predicts" both a thing and its opposite.Mung
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Elizabeth Liddle:
Darwin’s theory was that populations adapt to environments.
Really? Darwinism claims that populations will adapt to their environment? What then is the explanation for extinctions? Darwinian theory states that a population might adapt, if it gets lucky. But then again, it might not. And this too is a prediction of the theory. Darwinian theory predicts that if a population adapts to it's environment it will survive (unless it does not survive, and then that must because it did not adapt) and if a population does not adapt to its environment it will not survive (unless it does survive, in which case it must be because the population did adapt).
...nothing in evolutionary theory says that rate of evolution won’t fluctuate, nor that populations will not go through long periods of stasis. Indeed, the reverse is true...
The reverse of what is true? How do you state the reverse of what you just said? Everything in evolutionary theory says that the rate of evolution won’t fluctuate, nor that populations will not go through long periods of stasis? Something in evolutionary theory says that the rate of evolution won’t fluctuate, nor that populations will not go through long periods of stasis?Mung
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"AD HOC “explanations.” Loads and loads of them." Non-therory "theories" need lots and lots of ad hoc "explanations" for explaining why the previous "explanations" didn't work.Ilion
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So, what else is obviously wrong with evolutionary theory? AD HOC "explanations." Loads and loads of them.Mung
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RE: Gradualism Elizabeth Liddle:
Do you also regard this evidence as evidence against common descent?
Darwin himself said that this could be urged against his theory. Yes, obviously it's evidence against the theory of descent with modification. How could you reasonably believe it would not be evidence against the theory?
Firstly, the fossil record is not merely a sparse random sampling, it’s also a biased sampling.
Yes, it's biased against Darwinism. But there is no reason why that should be the case. Therefore, we should not be misled or distracted by red-herring and ad hoc "explanations" for why that which is a fact should be thought to not be a fact and for why that which should count as evidence against the theory should be thought to not be evidence against the theory.Mung
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This proposition is dead-simply, obviously, and empirically unreasonable (except in isolated pathological instances such as bacterial antibiotic resistance, in which case the probabilistic resources are available to allow informational degradation to provide a temporary survival advantage).
This makes me think of taking a wrecking ball to a building and making a big hole. The building now has the advantage of a new entrance and improved ventilation. But the electrical systems are damaged and it is structurally less sound. Is this clear evidence that a wrecking ball can add a new security system or self-repairing windows? Does it explain where the furniture came from? Who thinks that way?ScottAndrews
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Elizabeth:
But, in a human designer, throwing out failed experiments is an exercise in creative power, or can be, as long as there is a steady supply of fresh experiments!
Throwing out failed experiments is not creative. It is a byproduct of creativity. Without imagination and experimentation there is no invention. And when it comes to any sort of technology, there is no creativity or experimentation without intention.ScottAndrews
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There’s a paper in Nature here if you are interested. Basic avian pulmonary design and flow-through ventilation in non-avian theropod dinosaurs. lol. I love it. And kf, another wiki screwup which the censors better address:
Natural replicators have all or most of their design from nonhuman sources. Such systems include natural life forms.
Mung
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What do you think would prevent dormant code from being degraded over time? We know that biological systems contain error-detection-and-correction algorithms and mechanisms. If life was front-loaded with dormant code, such algorithms and mechanisms could perform their job on the dormant code as well as the active code. Of course, this would require intelligent design with a view to the future. And I see your Rachmaninov... It was Rachmaninov's music (especially the Second Piano Concerto) that really inspired me to get serious about the piano when I was in junior high school. When I was 17 I finally learned and performed that concerto. I'm currently relearning that great work (43 years later) so I can play it on my seven-foot Baldwin grand in my living room with an orchestra, thanks to music minus one.GilDodgen
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Dr Liddle: We now dispose of upwards of 1/4 million fossil species and millions of specimens in in museums or similar. Billions of fossils in known beds, not bothering with micro fossils or fossil rocks like Barbados a coral island where we can see miles of say staghorn coral as beds many feet thick, and the "clams" from the same beds look very familiar too. Just drive along the road cut or visit a building site. The pattern of gaps, suddenness, stasis and disappearances persists 150 years after Darwin and Lyell et al. And remember the key beds (I think here of some Chinese ones esp) ARE capable of capturing soft body animals. It is reasonable to infer that we have a good cross section, and that the pattern is real. That is why Gould et al developed a new theory. If in fact we had finely graded branching from a common ancestor, we should see even more of the intermediates, than of the assumed branch tip fossils, but we do not. Then when we look at the pop dynamics for moving from something like a cow to a whale, the numbers do not add up. Here is Sternberg on that. (Do watch and tell us your4 response.) Go up to the info origination challenge we keep highlighting. dFSCI is simply only empirically supported as the product of intelligence, and the analysis backs that up, especially when we are looking at 10 - 100 mn+ bits of info to make a new body plan. Something is not adding up. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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Mung:
Good point. Walter ReMine calls “Modern Evolutionary Theory” a smorgasbord.
Yes indeed. That was very much behind my question: Is it the gravlax or the lutefisk that's the problem? (Nice to occasionally agree with Mung and Ilion....)Elizabeth Liddle
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Gil:
Liz: Do you also regard this evidence as evidence against common descent? No. Common descent seems reasonable, although I think universal common descent is falling on hard times, the Cambrian explosion being the most obvious example.
I don't think it's terribly obvious myself! We do have the Ediacaran biota, after all. But OK.
…what do you think the family tree of life might look like? More like a hologram than a tree.
Heh. Could you explain?
…what do you hypothesize as the explanation for the appearance of abrupt life forms? I don’t know. Front-loading with prescribed, timed activation or event/environmentally-sensitive activation of existing dormant code is a possibility.
What do you think would prevent dormant code from being degraded over time? Active code is preserved by natural selection, but inactive code can acquire mutations which, because they have no phenotypic effect, will tend to accumulate. I'm really interested in your answer to this, as while "front-loading" seems like a potentially testable hypothesis, degradation seems like it would be a major problem.
As far as the sampling problem in the fossil record goes, if the Darwinian hypothesis is correct, the more we discover the more continuous the record should appear, but in fact the more discontinuous it appears. Again, the Cambrian explosion is the most obvious example.
Well, not necessarily, nor, I'd argue, at all! Fossilisation is, in itself, a biased sampling, and so any palaeontological samplings (i.e. people digging stuff up) will inherit the same bias. Hard shelled marine creatures leave such a copious fossil record that we have entire stretches of English coastline made of the stuff! Whereas soft-bodied creatures are much less likely to leave traces, as are forest dwellers, or, even, land dwellers generally. Plus, geological events that bring strata near the surface (and thus accessible to palaeontologists) are geographically distributed, given us one part of the Chinese tree, and quite other parts of the Australian or North American, or Welsh tree.
Concerning my combinatorial mathematics assertion, see Doug Axe’s work on the percentage of biologically meaningful/functional proteins (1 in 10^74).
Ah, thanks. OK.
As far as I’m concerned, to lie is to assert as the truth something that one believes to be untrue. I see no evidence that Liz has ever done that, so let’s drop the subject.
And for this :) And I see your Rachmaninov, and raise you Orlando Gibbons :) http://www.classicalarchives.com/work/317206.html Atheist or not, I have the anthem "Behold, thou hast made my days but a span long" scheduled for my funeral :)Elizabeth Liddle
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