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I despise Henry Kissinger. He is an evil man. I am currently reading his On China (2011), and I was reminded of just how evil he is when I read his apology for Zhou Enlai (pp. 241-43). For those who do not remember, as premier of the PPR during the tumultuous 60s and 70s, Zhou was Mao’s chief henchman. The world will never know how many people Mao killed. Estimates range from 40 to 80 million, and Zhou was at his side implementing his policies every step of the way. Of this henchman to a genocidal maniac Kissinger writes:

Surely Zhou’s methods of political survival involved lending his administrative skill to the execution of policies that he may well have found personally distasteful . . .

This makes me want to puke. What kind of sociopath uses the word “distasteful” to describe someone’s response to participation in genocide? It will come as no surprise that Kissinger reveres Machiavelli above all other theorists, and nowhere is this more plain than when he continues[in this passage Zhou is the advisor and Mao is the prince in view ]:

The advisor to the prince occasionally faces the dilemma of balancing the benefits of the ability to alter events against the possibility of exclusion, should he bring his objections to any one policy to a head. How does the ability to modify the prince’s prevailing conduct weigh against the moral onus of participation in his policies? How does one measure the element of nuance over time against the claims of absolutes in the immediate? What is the balance between the cumulative impact of moderating trends against that of a grand (and probably doomed) gesture?

How Kissinger answers these questions and his ultimate assessment of Zhou is not in doubt; he called Zhou “one of the two or three most impressive men I have ever met.” God help us. How could we have let a man who could write these things into the very highest echelons of our leadership for a period spanning over five decades?

Kissinger implies that Zhou was a reluctant participant and a moderating influence to Mao’s reign of terror. This view is hotly disputed. In his Mao Zedong and the Cultural Revolution, for example, Angang Hu argues that Zhou’s support, far from moderating the Cultural Revolution, kept it going, and that Zhou was Mao’s enabler, not his moderator.

But let us set that argument aside, because ultimately it is morally irrelevant. Assume for the sake of argument that there is some support for the proposition that Hermann Göring was a moderating influence to the most terrible excesses of the Third Reich. If Hitler had conquered Europe, would it have been appropriate for an American statesman to later praise Hermann Göring and even sympathize with him for the terrible burden of “weighing nuance against absolutes” that he had to bear. I admit the analogy is not quite apt, because Mao killed tens of millions more people than Hitler did. Still, the very idea is absurd.

The “dilemma” Kissinger poses is a false dilemma. The kinds of calculations Kissinger has in mind are morally repugnant. Indeed, they should be unthinkable. Moreover, the measuring to which Kissinger alludes is not only morally loathsome; it is also self-referentially incoherent. It is in the very nature of “absolutes” that they cannot be “measured” or “balanced” against anything else (and most especially against “nuance,” whatever that means).

Absolutes admit no calculation. When faced with the choice of whether to engage in formal cooperation with evil of unspeakable proportions, the only moral choice is to refuse to cooperate. Let us say for the sake of argument that Zhou was in fact given the choice of being Mao’s henchman, in which case “only” 60 million people would die, and refusing to be his henchman, in which case 65 million people would die. Still, the only moral choice was for him to refuse to cooperate with Mao’s evil even if more people (including Zhou himself) would die.

This is not a “train switch” scenario. Moral philosopher’s love to talk about the hapless schmo standing at a train switch. An unstoppable runaway train is coming down the track. If the schmo lets it stay on its present track, 100 people will get run over and die. If he pulls the switch and shunts the train to another track, only 50 people will die. The obvious answer to this dilemma is to pull the switch. If death is inevitable due to uncontrollable forces of nature (in this case the forces of gravity and inertia), the only moral choice is the one that leads to the fewest deaths.

How is this different from Zhou’s non-dilemma? The answer is that the Cultural Revolution was not inevitable. It resulted from the conscious choices of moral agents. If all moral agents had refused to participate, not a single person would have died, because the CR would never have happened.

Some of my readers might remember the movie Sophie’s Choice (or the novel of the same name). The eponymous choice of the movie occurred upon Sophie’s arrival at Auschwitz. A guard forced her to choose which one of her two children would be gassed and which would proceed to the labor camp. If she refused to choose, both children would be killed. What was Sophie to do? Is it not the moral choice to choose one of the children to die so that at least one may live? Sophie chooses her son to live and her daughter to die. Sophie’s choice was profoundly immoral. The only moral choice is to refuse to choose even if this means both children must die. By choosing, Sophie entered into formal cooperation with the guard’s evil. And it is always evil to engage in formal cooperation with evil. Some calculations must be unthinkable. One must never engage in profound evil even if one could somehow attempt to justify it with Kissinger’s balancing act. Fiat justitia ruat caelum (“Let justice be done though the heavens fall”)

What does this have to do with Zhou? Just this. Zhou’s choice was Sophie’s choice writ large.

Why does this all matter? I was prompted to write this post by an exchange with Mark Frank.

I wrote:

You know for a certain fact that torturing an infant for personal pleasure is evil at all places, at all times, for all people.

Mark replied:

I disagree. I don’t believe you know moral judgments as “facts” so I would say that as it stands it is false.

Mark added:

I stressed that it was because I don’t regard moral judgments as facts . . . I think they are opinions not facts.

Finally, Mark said:

I don’t know the innermost psyche of the Incas who performed child sacrifices but it seems quite possible they did it for personal pleasure and thought it was morally OK.

No Mark. You are wrong. Hugely, monstrously, horribly wrong.

It absolutely must be an objective fact that torturing an infant for personal pleasure is evil at all places, at all times, for all people or it is not a fact at all. It is a binary question. Yes/No. The only way the proposition can ever be true is if it is indeed an objective fact. The very act of suggesting that the issue is a matter of opinion as opposed to objective fact is immoral because it renders the proposition false. In other words, to even say that it is not unthinkable for the proposition to be untrue is profoundly immoral, because it is equivalent to saying the proposition is false.

Therefore, even assuming for the sake of argument that some Inca thought it was OK to torture infants for pleasure, it does not follow that his opinion on the subject is entitled to any weight whatsoever. Would we credit our hapless Inca’s views if his opinion were that 1+1=3? Of course, not. When the Inca is wrong about objective fact, we must not hesitate to reject his views categorically even if someone might accuse us of being “intolerant.” Error has no rights. The only moral position is to say that it is literally unthinkable for the proposition to ever be false.

As Zhoe’s non-dilemma was not a matter of calculation but of simple courage to do the only right thing, so too this proposition can never be a matter that could possibly vary due to circumstance, calculation or opinion. It is always true or it is never true.

It is immoral to say that the proposition “torturing an infant for personal pleasure is evil at all places, at all times, for all people” is up for grabs. Why is it evil? Because someone might believe you of course! By saying this you have undermined the “unthinkable-ness” of the converse of the proposition. And when you do that, you have opened a door that must always remain shut.

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Its a simple question, I don't see the problem. Do you have something to hide Barry ?Graham2
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Self-described subjectivists agree (and must logically agree) that they consider it morally sound to force what they believe are nothing more than personal, subjective views and standards on others if they feel (really strongly) like doing so. I'm completely content to let the argument rest on that admission for all interested observers.William J Murray
February 7, 2015
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why surprised?Mung
February 7, 2015
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Speaking of Proverbs 16...
Barry: "Sophie chooses her son to live and her daughter to die. Sophie’s choice was profoundly immoral. The only moral choice is to refuse to choose even if this means both children must die. By choosing, Sophie entered into formal cooperation with the guard’s evil. And it is always evil to engage in formal cooperation with evil. Some calculations must be unthinkable."
There is something else Sophie could have done: she could have cast lots (rolled dice, flipped a coin) and let God/chance/fate decide. (See Proverbs 16:33, Leviticus 16:8, Acts 1:26, etc) One of the children would have lived, but it would not have been her choice which one lived. Would that have been evil? Or at least less evil?mike1962
February 7, 2015
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Will you stop it already Graham2? You have embarrassed yourself quite enough for one day.Barry Arrington
February 7, 2015
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I asked for evidence and was told its already been posted, So, can you direct me to the post ? Its a simple question. I was after an answer, not a sigh.Graham2
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Im in a different time zone and so out of sync with the group, but regarding evidence for objective morality, if its been posted before, could someone direct me to the particular post ? Thank you. UDEditors: *sigh*Graham2
February 7, 2015
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Folks, Let's pull some Bronze Age wisdom from a book that so many subjectivists and relativists despise, famously from the mouth of Solomon:
Prov 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death. [ESV]
This is of course the fatal heel of subjectivism, and it is also the refutation of their strawman caricature of those who hold that there are self-evident moral truths and that by and large conscience is on to something real. For, to acknowledge conscience is to often have to face its rebuke, thence the realisation that "all have sinned," us included. And in that context, when one must stand in the face of evil it is conscience that lets us know justice is worth standing for and even falling for in the fight. As, this very week a pilot and a king from Jordan remind us. KF PS: Those who notice how the theme might and manipulation make 'right' seeping out through the cracks in subjectivist rhetoric, yes you are seeing what is there. Take due warning from the ghost of Plato. PPS: On objectivity of morality once the fog clears: http://nicenesystheol.blogspot.com/2010/11/unit-2-gospel-on-mars-hill-foundations.html#u2_moralskairosfocus
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@Barry-sama:
And of course, on subjectivest premises, the answer is obvious: the stronger.
By stronger you mean the one who has more children?JWTruthInLove
February 7, 2015
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Barry @278.
The subjectivist world is the jungle.
Barry, absolutely right. For a subjectivist, it's a war of all against all. A perfect breeding ground for the Machiavellians and Kissingers of the world.StephenB
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Zach @ 281:
Turns out that humans share many moral sensibilities . . .
The phrase "moral sensibilities" is for a subjectivist redundant, because a subjectivist believes morals are nothing but sensibilities -- things a person feels subjectively. Yes, many sensibilities are shared. But, you artful dodger you, you dodged the question. When sensibilities are shared the question I asked does not arise. Now, think real real hard. Focus, focus. Here's the question again (I'll use your term to make it easier): Who prevails when "sensibilities" conflict? And of course, on subjectivest premises, the answer is obvious: the stronger.Barry Arrington
February 7, 2015
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Barry Arrington: No one can decide; Everyone determines their own moral views. Barry Arrington: justification is not possible. Justification comes from shared principles, even if those principles are subjective. Barry Arrington: The next question, of course, is who then prevails? And the answer to this question is just as obvious: The stronger. Turns out that humans share many moral sensibilities, so those sensibilities get expressed in the culture, society, and government.Zachriel
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Brent: Why is it okay for you to impose your privately and subjectively held moral values on others …
Zach: Values.
It is okay for you to impose your personal subjective beliefs on other people, because you personally value doing so. Well OK then. And if you are strong enough you are able to impose your personal beliefs on them, and if you not strong enough you are not. That is what we have been trying to get you to admit all along. Thank you for finally doing so. Now, the next step is for you to admit that the world in which your philosophy prevails is the world described by Orwell: A boot in the face. Forever.Barry Arrington
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SB:Whose subjective morality should prevail? Zachriel
Turns out that everyone decides for themselves, but those who oppose torture have slowly been able to impose their moral values through the rule of law and other social mechanisms. However, the effort is far from complete.
So you have no answer except to say that whoever wins, wins. Thank you.StephenB
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SB:
So, subjectivists who oppose child torture seek to impose their moral imperative on the torturer and the subjectivist torturer seeks to impose his moral imperative on those who would interfere. Who decides which moral imperative should prevail and how is that decision justified?
SB, the answer is obvious on subjectivist premises: No one can decide; justification is not possible. The next question, of course, is who then prevails? And the answer to this question is just as obvious: The stronger. The subjectivist world is the jungle.Barry Arrington
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Who decides on which subjectivist morality should prevail? faded glory
Remember that Inca from a while back, who performed child sacrifice because he was following the moral code of his religion?
So you have no answer. Thank you.StephenB
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Brent: Why is it okay for you to impose your privately and subjectively held moral values on others ... Values.Zachriel
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Brent to Mark Frank
Why is it okay for you to impose your privately and subjectively held moral values on others, in matters either small or great, when you do not have a standard by which to determine you are actually right?
Brent, MF has already answered this question: I can give no account for why it is "okay." Nevertheless, sometimes I feel like doing so and sometimes I don't.Barry Arrington
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Because math questions have objective answers and morality questions don't. I am not being flippant. fG Edited to add: Goodnight, and let this debate not disturb your sleep! It isn't worth it!faded_Glory
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I'm off to bed which I'm sure will bring a sigh of relief from some at least.Brent
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fG, Why don't you need an objective standard to make a moral judgment on others' actions? ________________ Subjectivists Q: Do you need an objective standard to mark a math equation wrong? Subjectivist answer: Yes Q: Do you need an objective standard to justify putting a gun to someone's head? Subjectivist answer: No ________________ I just want to know: Why isn't it necessary in the second case.Brent
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StephenB: So, subjectivists who oppose child torture seek to impose their moral imperative on the torturer and the subjectivist torturer seeks to impose his moral imperative on those who would interfere. Who decides which moral imperative should prevail and how is that decision justified? Remember that Inca from a while back, who performed child sacrifice because he was following the moral code of his religion? So, objectivists who oppose child torture seek to impose their moral imperative on the torturer and the objectivist torturer seeks to impose his moral imperative on those who would interfere. Who decides which moral imperative should prevail and how is that decision justified? Is there a difference? I don't see it. fGfaded_Glory
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StephenB: So, subjectivists who oppose child torture seek to impose their moral imperative on the torturer and the subjectivist torturer seeks to impose his moral imperative on those who would interfere. Who decides which moral imperative should prevail and how is that decision justified? Turns out that everyone decides for themselves, but those who oppose torture have slowly been able to impose their moral values through the rule of law and other social mechanisms. However, the effort is far from complete.Zachriel
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Brent: In ANY other instance, your own morality says that you need objective warrant to impose your will on others, but that warrant is not necessary in greater matters of morality. WHY??? I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you mean. I say that the math teacher is negligent based on my subjective moral standard of fairness. There is nothing objective about me saying that he is negligent - it is simply how I subjectively judge his actions. fGfaded_Glory
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Brent: As subjectivists, why not just admit that, since you believe morals to be thoroughly private and subjective, they are something to be held privately and never held up to another in an attempt to judge their action? Because that's not an accurate view of subjectivism. If someone experiences a moral imperative to act, then they will act, even if it means imposing their moral judgment on others. Brent: Many would be subjectivists have, as far as I know, given up on morality and just said it doesn’t exist. Humans certainly have moral sensibilities. Brent: If it turns out that it is man’s private and subjective opinion as to what is moral, well obviously it is the same as saying that man has no governor, or moral obligations, and he is a law unto himself. Well, no. Subjectivists, along with objectivists, can often find common ground, agreeing that the rule of law has its own moral value.Zachriel
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Zachriel
For most subjectivists, it’s because of a sensation of a moral imperative, that some things are important enough to impose their moral judgment on others.
So, subjectivists who oppose child torture seek to impose their moral imperative on the torturer and the subjectivist torturer seeks to impose his moral imperative on those who would interfere. Who decides which moral imperative should prevail and how is that decision justified?StephenB
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Brent, Because that is what morality is - judging actions of ourselves and others to be good or bad, and promoting or preventing them according to how we judge them. There is no disagreement about this, I trust. The subject of the discussion is if the standard for judgement exists solely inside the human mind, or also exists as something external and independent. You haven't even started to make the case that it does. All the endless arguing about how subjectivists are supposedly illogical doesn't remove this elephant from the room. fGfaded_Glory
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fG, Read again. I put in 'actually', just as you understand, to be taken as 'objectively'. I wasn't trying to hide or smuggle anything. My question is MY question, and it is the one that needs answering. In ANY other instance, your own morality says that you need objective warrant to impose your will on others, but that warrant is not necessary in greater matters of morality. WHY???Brent
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fG, I'm sorry, but it is actually you who didn't pay attention. I'm quite sure I understand your point. I said:
Why is it okay for you to impose your privately and subjectively held moral values on others, in matters either small or great, when you do not have a standard by which to determine you are actually right?
The bolded should have been taken to mean 'objectively'. Also fG, and Zachriel @258, The discussion over an objective or subjective moral standard has other fronts, but without dealing with this first and foundational issue of an impossibly incoherent subjectivist stance, it will do little good to get into it. Let's deal with what's at hand. As subjectivists, why not just admit that, since you believe morals to be thoroughly private and subjective, they are something to be held privately and never held up to another in an attempt to judge their action? Many would be subjectivists have, as far as I know, given up on morality and just said it doesn't exist. That's because they are trying very hard to live consistently with their basic beliefs, which compel them to say that, since no objective moral standard exists, no actual morality exists. It is the nature of morality that it is what governs man. If it turns out that it is man's private and subjective opinion as to what is moral, well obviously it is the same as saying that man has no governor, or moral obligations, and he is a law unto himself.Brent
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Brent, unless you get off this track of misunderstanding our position you will never have an argument. It is quite unbelievable that you are still saying: Why is it okay for you to impose your privately and subjectively held moral values on others, in matters either small or great, when you do not have a standard by which to determine you are actually right? Your mission is to demonstrate how subjective morality is incoherent within its own premises. You are not doing that. When you put the word 'actually' in there, you are trying to smuggle in objectivity where it doesn't belong. If you were to leave out the word 'actually' you would simply be wrong, because subjective morality does not equal the absence of standards - in fact the opposite, there are as many standards as there are people. So, either way, your premise fails, because you are still not thinking like a subjectivist. fGfaded_Glory
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