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Dr Raoult Roars — new articles on findings and issues about HCQ + Cocktails for Covid-19

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IHU- Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, is a significant French research institute that has continued its work on CV 19. For the record, here are excerpts from some recent work, headlined from threads where such would be buried:

EXH 1: >>COVID-IHU #15

Version 1 du 27 Mai 2020
Early diagnosis and management of COVID-19 patients: a real-life cohort study of 3,737 patients, Marseille, France

Abstract

Background:
In our institute in Marseille, France, we proposed early and massive screening for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Hospitalization and early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) was proposed for the positive cases.

Methods:
We retrospectively report the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods (“others”). Outcomes were death, transfer to the intensive care unit (ICU), ? 10 days of hospitalization and viral shedding.

Results:
By testing 101,522 samples by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) from 65,993 individuals, we diagnosed 6,836 patients (10.4%), including 3,737 included in our cohort. The mean age was 45 (sd 17) years, 45% were male, and the fatality rate was 0.9%. We performed 2,065 low-dose computed tomography (CT) scans highlighting lung lesions in 581 of the 933 (62%) patients with minimal clinical symptoms (NEWS score = 0). A discrepancy between spontaneous dyspnoea, hypoxemia and lung lesions was observed. Clinical factors (age, comorbidities, NEWS-2 score), biological factors (lymphopenia; eosinopenia; decrease in blood zinc; and increase in D-dimers, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), creatinine phosphokinase (CPK), and c-reactive protein (CRP)) and moderate and severe lesions detected in low-dose CT scans were associated with poor clinical outcome. Treatment with HCQ-AZ was associated with a decreased risk of transfer to the ICU or death (HR 0.19 0.12-0.29), decreased risk of hospitalization ?10 days (odds ratios 95% CI 0.37 0.26-0.51) and shorter duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.27 1.16-1.39). QTc prolongation (>60 ms) was observed in 25 patients (0.67%) leading to the cessation of treatment in 3 cases. No cases of torsade de pointe or sudden death were observed.

Conclusion
Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ result in a significantly better clinical outcome and contagiosity in patients with COVID-19 than other treatments. Long-term follow-up to screen for fibrosis will be the next challenge in the management of COVID-19.>>

EXH 2: >>Adjusting series of patients for trial comparisons for COVID –
19 treatments

Author list :
3Audrey GIRAUD -GATINEAU1,2,3,4 (PhD student); Jean Christophe LAGIER 1,4,5 (MD); 4 Yolande OBADIA 1
(MD); Hervé CHAUDET 1,2,3 (MD); Didier RAOULT 1,5* (MD)

Abstract:

Background
: SARS – COV-2 has emerged and spread around the world since December 2019. Studies initiated in Marseille by our hospital centre have suggested significant clinical effectiveness of treatment by combining hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ+AZ). However, due to the
urgency of responding to the pandemic, they were not obtained through randomized controlled trials. Alternative assessment methods are therefore needed.

Methods:
We compared our data in silico with those published by two studies comparing 32 other antiviral drugs. For this purpose, random sampling was performed in our cohort to 33 obtain similar groups for disease severity, gender, age and comorbidities associated with 34 chronic diseases with patients included in the remdesivir and lopinavir-ritonavir trials.

Findings:
Dual HCQ+AZ therapy was associated with 3 times fewer deaths than
similar 37groups treated either with lopinavir-ritonavir(9% vs 20%, p-value = 0·03) or standard care 38 (8% vs 25·2%, p-value = 0·001). Compared with patients included in the remdesivir
study by 39 Wang et al., we also showed a significant difference in the clinical outcome (proportion of 40cured patients with negative viral load) in favour of HCQ+AZ (77.8% versus 58·2% p = 0·0001). 42 43

Interpretation:
Although comparison of HCQ+AZ with other antiviral drugs has limitations 44due to aggregated data, this study provides additional evidence showing that HCQ+AZ should 45 be the systematic treatment of choice after diagnosis of COVID -19 -positive cases. 46 47

Funding:
This work was supported by the French Government under the “Investments for theFuture” programme managed by the National Agency for Research (ANR), Méditerranée- Infection 10-
IAHU – 03 , and was also supported by Région Provence Alpes Côte d’Azur and European funding FEDER PRIMMI (Fonds Européen de Développement Régional -51 Plateformes de Recherche et d’Innovation Mutualisées Méditerranée Infection)>>

EXH 3: >>Assay
Randomised Controlled Trials during epidemic

Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger, Didier Raoult
Aix Marseille Université, IRD, MEPHI, VITROME,
ORS Paca, IHU-Méditerranée Infection, Marseille,
France

In epidemics there is an urgent need for new knowledge on drug efficacy to help policymakers fight the crisis. Yet the best research methodology to do this is a matter of de bate, write Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger and Didier Raoult .

The outbreak of an emerging infectious agent needs the rapid involvement of research to bring new knowledge. Past experience with Ebola virus outbreaks and, more recently SARS-CoV 2, have raised a question over the place of randomised controlled trials (RCTs) as the methodology of choice to
answer clinical questions in an novel epidemic situation. Drug safety and effectiveness is a long process which can take years. For antimicrobials, just 25% of drugs submitted to phase 1 succeed to Phase 3 and further licensing (1). This is why, in an epidemic, drug repurposing is often looked at, because drug toxicity has already been evaluated (2).

An RCT isdesigned to attempt to reduce bias, particularly in trials evaluating new drugs. The principle is to random assign volunteers into two or more treatment options and then compare them against a measured outcome. As RCTs reduce causality and spurious bias, they are considered to be the most reliable form of scientific evidence. For these reasons, they are required for market authorisation of a new pharmaceutical drug and cited by healthcare policies as a mandatory means for decision -making about treatments.

When gold standard becomes unethical

In emerging disease outbreaks, there is an urgent lack of treatments for the new pathogen. When a particular therapeutic option is supported by scientifically demonstrated efficacy in vitro and or in animal model, and supported further by clinical case reports and/or pilot series in humans, it is ethically difficult to argue that the data still needs to be confirmed in an RCT before it can be made available to patients. Especially if it seems “obvious” that control (untreated) subjects will have poorer outcomes than those receiving treatment. As one study mocked, there would be few volunteers for the placebo group in an RCT on the parachute’s effectiveness in avoiding death by jumping out of an airplane, unless the jump had an average height of 0.6 m (3).

When even imperfect scientific data show a particularly obvious effect, it is no longer ethical to perform an RCT since it forces patients to accept either not to be treated (in the control arm), or to be treated with a molecule known to be effective. Consider the advent of penicillin. It took five
patients before Sir Edward Abraham could definitively demonstrate that penicillin saved 100% of patients with staphylococcus or streptococcus infections. Nobody today would dare to test the efficacy of penicillin on pneumococcal pneumonia compared to placebo . . . >>

Food for thought, especially given the fiasco of the seemingly decisive Lancet paper which then had to be withdrawn. The remarks on the gold standard fallacies are particularly significant.

The underlying issue is that selective hyperskepticism is leading to ignoring of cumulatively adequate but somehow unwelcome findings, tracing to ethical weaknesses including the error of imagining skepticism an intellectual virtue and using it to substitute for prudence. We need to restore that due balance to our reasoning and decision-making.

A useful brief summary on prudence is:

Prudence is the virtue that disposes practical reason to discern our true good in every circumstance and to choose the right means of achieving it; “the prudent man looks where he is going.”65 “Keep sane and sober for your prayers.”66 Prudence is “right reason in action,” writes St. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle.67 It is not to be confused with timidity or fear, nor with duplicity or dissimulation. It is called auriga virtutum (the charioteer of the virtues); it guides the other virtues by setting rule and measure. It is prudence that immediately guides the judgment of conscience. The prudent man determines and directs his conduct in accordance with this judgment. With the help of this virtue we apply moral principles to particular cases without error and overcome doubts about the good to achieve and the evil to avoid.

Further food for thought, on seven indicative, inescapable first duties of responsible reason: to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour, so to fairness and justice, etc. . END

Comments
If the world's population qualifies as a control group in clinical trials, then why bother with smaller control groups at all? If there is no established treatment for a given disorder - in this case COVID-19 - then where is the ethical challenge to randomly administering a placebo to informed participants in a clinical trial?Seversky
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Kf, What you see on this site is very small microcosm of the outside world and which I commented on on your new thread on the American revolution. People generally complain against not advocate for. It is possible to always find something wrong or not perfect. But they never advocate for something better. Because in truth they don’t have anything better to offer. In Zelenko’s case you have a simple country doctor who got amazing results. And he is criticized as having useless data by not providing a control group in which people will die. Why? So that others can exclaim he did a good statistical test. How uncaring would such a person have to be? By the way Zelenko is a brilliant guy graduating first in his class at a large university while majoring in science But constantly complaining or belittling is what we see not just here but all over the world. We tend to focus on what is negative about our personal world or the world in general and not on what is good about our personal world or the world in general. If something a little bit negative happens to us that is our focus not all the good things that have happened. We are emotional creatures much more than rational ones.jerry
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Jerry, it seems that we deal with people who cannot accept commonplace results of decision theory. We routinely characterise business as usual and its likely range of outcomes, then contrast a reasonable alternative, to guide decision and action. There is no need to construct an artificial no effective treatment baseline, especially with a fast moving, damaging, highly infectious killer. The do no harm principle is clearly at a steep discount and too many fail to reckon seriously with the ethical challenges of placebos. Why don't they respond to Rault's article on that, point by point? KFkairosfocus
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Oh, I have looked through everything Bob O'H has posted and he is basically worthless. :razz:ET
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OK, I’ve looked through the Zelenko study. It’s basically worthless, because they don’t tell us the profile of the control group,
It’s been explained to you several times that there is no need for a control group. The world is the comparison group. Essentially one has the entire universe as a comparison not just a small subset. Pick all the people in the world that were diagnosed with the virus and that match the demographics of the treated group and use them for a comparison. Remember the standard treatment is no treatment of the virus. Compare the hospitalization and death rates. The Zelenko death rate and hospitalization rate are amazingly low saying the virus is either no worse than the common cold or his treatment is amazing and causes it to act no worse than the common cold. Take your pick. One possible issue that my wife brought up is that the community for the Zelenko protocol was Hasidic Jews. There may be something different about this group and the virus. Which case they should be examined for why they are naturally resistant to the virus. Do they have an anti-body? Why? The medical community would be very interested in any group having natural immunity.jerry
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F/N 2: Voice of experience? >> Writing Observer July 4, 2020 at 1:16 am @Crispin – when admitted, a patient gets a full blood panel as a matter of course. Any deficiencies (of whatever, not just D and zinc) would place the patient into the appropriate propensity grouping. Alternatively, these are early progression patients, presumably still able to eat. Hospital dieticians are worse than the strictest of parents; they will make SURE that what you are offered is “healthy” for whatever your medical profile is, thus correcting deficiencies. (They also have you captive – if you manage to not eat the disgusting glop on one tray, they will make the next one even more revolting to anyone with taste buds. Effective conditioning technique, there…)>> WUWT strikes again! KFkairosfocus
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F/N: This sounds like a possible survivor: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/03/good-quality-paper-demonstrates-strong-efficacy-of-hydroxychloroquine-mortality-rate-cut-in-half/#comment-3027950 >> Crispin in Waterloo July 3, 2020 at 9:23 pm They get zinc from food. The surprise I had was that the HCQ worked as well as it did, given they did not supplement with zinc. That is quite an oversight. Don’t they read? There is also no mention of the level of vitamin D shortage, specifically they should test blood for the 1,25 form. It was me, I would take 400 mg HQ or quinine, 50 mg zinc and 5 times the daily recommended dose of vitamin D. Oh wait, that’s what I took. After starting I felt progressively better within 18 hours. Chronic vitamin D deficiency is major problem. The total cost of that treatment package is less than $50. If you get into serous trouble, add molecular hydrogen (from an electrolysis unit). Split the water (takes about 13 amps) to make a litre of combined gas per minute. Breathe that plus anything else you need – typically 10 l/min. You want ~5% H2. That takes care of the cytokine storm. All molecular details at the Molecular hydrogen institute, or MedCram. Free.>> KF PS: Of course, consult your friendly local health pro . . .kairosfocus
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BTW, I am seeing a comment that Selenium promotes Zn bio activity. Ze plot thickens. Here, it looks like the key step is, eat a few Brazil nuts per day as part of the supplements package. KF PS: NIH on Se: https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Selenium-HealthProfessional/ >>Brazil nuts, seafoods, and organ meats are the richest food sources of selenium [1]. Other sources include muscle meats, cereals and other grains, and dairy products. The amount of selenium in drinking water is not nutritionally significant in most geographic regions [2,6]. The major food sources of selenium in the American diet are breads, grains, meat, poultry, fish, and eggs [7]. The amount of selenium in a given type of plant-based food depends on the amount of selenium in the soil and several other factors, such as soil pH, amount of organic matter in the soil, and whether the selenium is in a form that is amenable to plant uptake [2,6,8,9]. As a result, selenium concentrations in plant-based foods vary widely by geographic location [1,2]. For example, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture Food Composition Database, Brazil nuts have 544 mcg selenium/ounce, but values from other analyses vary widely [10-12]. The selenium content of soil affects the amounts of selenium in the plants that animals eat, so the quantities of selenium in animal products also vary [2,5]. However, selenium concentration in soil has a smaller effect on selenium levels in animal products than in plant-based foods because animals maintain predictable tissue concentrations of selenium through homeostatic mechanisms. Furthermore, formulated livestock feeds generally contain the same levels of selenium.>>kairosfocus
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Blastus, good stuff, I sometimes forget just how useful WUWT can be. KFkairosfocus
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OK, I've looked through the Zelenko study. It's basically worthless, because they don't tell us the profile of the control group, so it's impossible to correct for any demographic differences. For all we know the control group could have a median age of 80.Bob O'H
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JVL, that the Chinese authorities -- not exactly paragons of sound ethics -- are turning their military into vaccination guinea pigs, is suggestive. It seems their CV19 real numbers were frightening enough that they are willing to see the military as in a battle, with acceptable losses if sufficient combat capability is retained. This reminds me of the WW1 staff rule of thumb that you needed to follow up your own "creeping barrage" close enough that up to 10% of your actual casualties come from your own artillery fire. That, because if you are much further back, shocked defenders can come out, set up MG08/15's or the older MG08's and get to horrific work, causing dramatically higher casualties and breakdown of the attack. Of course, lack of mobile radio communications meant that apart from using air contact patrols dancing among the flying shells (and sometimes being shot down by same) with ID panels, the bombardment was going to follow a plan before the event. E.g. Vimy Ridge, 100 yds lift every 3 minutes. And even there the plan broke down with Hill 145 etc. With that backdrop, I infer the Chinese epidemic was far more devastating and threatening than the authorities admit. Also, that it likely damaged unit functionality. This reminds of the decision to rush units hit by Spanish Flu to France, given the German spring offensive of 1918. KFkairosfocus
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RP, battlefield medicine has long had a mass casualty, triage system for sorting -- the root meaning, from French -- overwhelming numbers of wounded, to maximise returns to combat capability with side effect of saving net numbers of lives. In normal contexts, under ethical obligations of medicine constrained by scarce, expensive resources, triage identifies cases requiring urgent, massive intervention and is not embarking on a dismal calculus of who do we simply give palliative care and let die. Or worse, "help" to die. The issue of death panels is the undermining of core ethical commitments, with implications all too manifest from the case of what happened to medicine under the Nazis. KFkairosfocus
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China has approved an experimental COVID-19 vaccine for use in its military after early clinical trial data suggested it was safe and spurred immune responses—but before larger trials that will test whether the vaccine can protect against SARS-CoV-2 infections.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/06/china-moves-forward-with-covid-19-vaccine-approving-it-for-use-in-military/JVL
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Here is an article I see today: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/03/good-quality-paper-demonstrates-strong-efficacy-of-hydroxychloroquine-mortality-rate-cut-in-half/ Perhaps this is what you were already discussing as it references Henry Ford health careBlastus
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@574 “Most importantly, the standards provide hospitals a framework for deciding who to treat and who not to treat if they are not able to care for every patient.” Sounds like the death panels they were so scared of a decade ago.Retired Physicist
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RHampton does not understand the comments he posts. The Henry Ford report and Raoult’s reports are on different stages of the virus. So one should not try to compare them.jerry
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“Now the Henry Ford study, while great news by itself, found that it could only lower the mortality rate to 13% “ Could only? That’s a 50% decrease! Vividvividbleau
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A reminder, on March 29 Raoult claimed to have treated 1003 patients with HC +AZ and only one sigle death. Now the Henry Ford study, while great news by itself, found that it could only lower the mortality rate to 13% — that’s nothing like the 1 in 1000 of Raoult’s miracle.rhampton7
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Yup, if people don't follow the guidelines that is what we will see. The recent surge traces back to Memorial Day weekend and the protest riots. The surge was very predictable.ET
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ET & JVL, there is no need for a side discussion please. KFkairosfocus
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In an email to Banner Health employees on Friday, chief clinical officer Dr. Marjorie Bessel explained that, at the request of Banner and other health care systems, the Arizona Department of Health Services activated crisis standards on June 29 “for the first time in the state’s history and the first time any state has done this in the country.” Most importantly, the standards provide hospitals a framework for deciding who to treat and who not to treat if they are not able to care for every patient. ADHS’s decision comes as the COVID-19 outbreak increasingly taxes the state’s hospital system. According to data provided on the agency’s website, a record high 91% of Arizona’s intensive care unit beds are now in use, with 741 of the 1,540 filled beds currently occupied by COVID-19 patients. There are only 156 ICU beds unused in the entire state, DHS reported Friday, though that number doesn’t include additional beds that are available through the hospitals’ surge capacity plans, which both Banner and Dignity Health have tapped into. And 85% of all in-patient beds are full, including a record high 3,013 of 6,538 filled beds occupied by coronavirus patients; only 1,135 beds statewide are open. Additionally, 47% of the state’s ventilators are in use, also a new high, including 489 by COVID-19 patients. There are still 917 ventilators available in the state, according to ADHS. https://www.azmirror.com/2020/07/03/as-covid-19-worsens-az-is-the-first-state-to-enact-crisis-care-standards/rhampton7
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“ We’re now dealing with a major outbreak of coronavirus in Israel,” Netanyahu wrote on Facebook. “At the start of the week we were with a figure of 450 infected and today we’re at nearly 1,000 infected a day.” He said new restrictions that took effect Friday morning were necessary to contain the outbreak and called on Israelis to adhere to social-distancing guidelines, among them mandatory mask-wearing in public places. Health Minister Yuli Edelstein said that from a medical point of view Israel should be in lockdown again, but the government was also focused on the economic impact. “It is very clear that if you look only at the medical side, I would have closed everything yesterday and put everyone in quarantine,” Edelstein told Channel 12. https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-declares-major-outbreak-as-active-virus-cases-soar-past-10000-for-1st-time/rhampton7
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Raoult made very specific claims as to what his regimen would do. No one has come close to reproducing his results. Don’t take my word for it, go back and see what Raoult and his reports claimed. Go ahead.rhampton7
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JVL:
You assumed the plague was caused by a virus.
No, I didn't. I laughed @ YOU because you thought the plague was caused by a virus. Unlike you I actually took both history and biology courses.
I did not say the plague was caused by a virus.
For over 500 comments people have been discussing VIRUSES. Comment 541 JVL brings up the plague. Anyone would assume JVL thought the plague was caused by a virus.ET
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A surprising new study found the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital. But the findings, like the federal government's use of the drug itself, were disputed. Researchers not involved with the study were critical. They noted that the Henry Ford team did not randomly treat patients but selected them for various treatments based on certain criteria. "As the Henry Ford Health System became more experienced in treating patients with COVID-19, survival may have improved, regardless of the use of specific therapies," Dr. Todd Lee of the Royal Victoria Hospital in Montreal, Canada, and colleagues wrote in a commentary in the same journal. "Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients. E li Rosenberg, lead author of the New York study and an associate professor of epidemiology at the University at Albany School of Public Health, pointed out that the Detroit paper excluded 267 patients -- nearly 10% of the study population -- who had not yet been discharged from the hospital. He said this might have skewed the results to make hydroxychloroquine look better than it really was. Those patients might have still been in the hospital because they were very sick, and if they died, excluding them from the study made hydroxychloroquine look like more of a lifesaver than it really was. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.htmlrhampton7
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ET: So anyone would assume YOU thought the plague was caused by a virus. So, you’re blaming me ‘cause you made an incorrect assumption. AND you did not call me out for incorrectly saying the plague was caused by a virus. You assumed the plague was caused by a virus. And now you can not admit you got it wrong. Someone had to point out you were wrong before you even knew you made a mistake. If the rest of us had decided to prank you and let you think a virus caused the plague you would never have known because you didn’t bother to check on your assumptions. I did not say the plague was caused by a virus. You assumed it was. You made a mistake.JVL
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JVL:
That is clearly not the case.
It is clear NOW, but when you said it you said it in a discussion pertaining to VIRUSES. So anyone would assume YOU thought the plague was caused by a virus.
You assumed the plague was caused by a virus.
When?
You did not say I was wrong about it being a virus.
I LAUGHED @ YOU RIGHT @ THE BEGINNING OF MY COMMENT. Follow this, if you can: For over 500 comments people have been discussing VIRUSES. Comment 541 JVL brings up the plague. Anyone would assume JVL thought the plague was caused by a virusET
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ET: Oh my. JVL, YOU brought it up in a discussion about viruses. That means YOU thought it was caused by a virus. I was pointing out that the virus YOU thought existed is no longer around. That is clearly not the case. You assumed the plague was caused by a virus. It’s obvious. You can’t admit you made a mistake and you’re trying to blame me for it. You did not say I was wrong about it being a virus. You assumed it was due to a virus. It’s really obvious. You made a mistake. Live with it.JVL
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Oh my. JVL, YOU brought it up in a discussion about viruses. That means YOU thought it was caused by a virus. I was pointing out that the virus YOU thought existed is no longer around.ET
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Brazil which has endorsed HCQ, azithromycin and zinc is now doing better than most of the world. However, politics and economics affected how many got treated or essentially not treated in Brazil. Currently Recovered Deaths Brazil - 93.7%. 6.3% US - 90% 10% France - 72% 28% Canada - 89% 11% Italy - 85% 15% UK - NA Germany - 95 4.7% Spain - NA Mexico - 83% 16.7% Chile - 97.6% 2.4% India - 95.5% 4.5% S. Korea - 97.5% 2.5% Norway - 97% 3% From Worldometers site These numbers do not reflect any age distribution of those who died vs those who recovered. As the number of young test positive, the recovery rate will rise dramatically in those areas. The worse on this list is France which has officially rejected the approach of its most infamous scientist. Irony to the nth power.jerry
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