Defend the Children

_{Barry Arrington
May 24, 2022

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The madness will not end until we grasp the following truths:

1. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the US.

2. Even assuming for the sake of argument that it would be a desirable thing to do, no gun control law can eliminate all or even a small fraction of those guns.

3. Evil men will always be able to get a gun.

4. Schools are soft targets full of defenseless people.

5. We can’t hire enough cops to guard all of those people.

6. We need to equip and train school staff who are willing to do so to defend themselves and the children in their care.

7. Don’t tell me it can’t be done. It is being done in Israel.

Fight me. Show me that one of those statements is false.

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JH, the US, from history and given demographics with regional variations is very different from Canada. What you miss is that Canada, Britain and Europe are able to benefit from the US. The situation of Canada as pointed out is quite different and with the situation exemplified by 1973, the degree of disaffection is higher than it seems to you. We had better hope things don't come apart in the US as that will destabilise the global geostrategic situation. Watch Ukraine, Iran and Taiwan. KF PS, as you so cleverly skipped over in the OP, Israel did. And it showed that target hardening works,kairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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ET, he only had the harness there were no inserts but the defenders could not be sure and headshots under stress are hard. He broke through, got to one class which he shot up and then someone came in. It should have been two but I guess there was no time. The border patrol agent took a wound but got his man. A sad day. KFkairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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Andrew: KF: Still has the dead babies, though.
And so does the US. But Canada doesn’t have the dead shoppers, or concert goers, or elementary school students, or.., You really have to pay attention. KF’s nonsense about abortion has nothing to do with mass shootings.JHolo_{May 25, 2022
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Needing bullet-proof doors, then. If trained armed guards and trained police couldn't stop him, that needs to be looked into. I heard the shooter may have had body amour. Unless it was head-to-toe there is plenty of target left. And a body shot would at least knock him down. And it looks like the internal security needs to be beefed up. Can't allow bad guys access to the classrooms if they manage to get inside the building.ET_{May 25, 2022
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JVL, not every decree done in the name of law using institutions, offices, ceremonies etc is properly lawful. In January 1973 the US Supreme Court used its status to decree a ruling that lacked Constitutional much less built in law of our nature foundation, and which imposed an average toll of 25,000 of living posterity in the womb killed per week. This, through the government and ruthless power has been repeatedly used to block or slow down to near standstill any correction. The unprecedented leak and threats game has been typical. That sort of betrayal of the prime duty of government comes at a cost and you are looking at on one hand erosion of respect for life as was warned of. On the other, you see increasing disaffection which is a driver of the purchases of weapons not just for personal protection but as an insurance and as a message to the powers. In that toxic climate, what is going on just now is further feeding the situation. And with that kind of usurpation and blood toll people are right to seriously doubt the government. I suspect, time for reformation is running out and the current leak fiasco may turn really, really ugly. Of course all of this is further feeding the hopes of the geostrategic vultures. KFkairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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ET, looks like he shot his way in. KFkairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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Andrew- The reports say that police engaged him before he entered the building. I also read they had independent armed guards. So, I must be missing something. Armed guards at the school should have heard the gun fire and then responded to keep the gunman outside.ET_{May 25, 2022
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Kairosfocus: given the action under colour of law in question and the result, that is seriously to be doubted. What action 'under colour of law'? What is to be doubted? I don't understand you at all. The US is a sovereign nation which has given no reason for its autonomy to be challenged. i'm not sure you're really paying attention. Perhaps you could make an attempt to be more clear in your replies instead of going for pithy and succinct and confusing.JVL_{May 25, 2022
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"Don’t they lock the doors?" ET, I think the doors are supposed to be locked. But in the info released, this detail about entering the building is missing. Andrewasauber_{May 25, 2022
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KF at 128, Corruption in government. Corruption in the media. Man wants to live a life that includes things that are bad for him. It was always thus. But today, the degree of corruption in institutions is greater. A wise and educated citizenry is a bulwark against electing anyone not fit for the duties of office. But as the tentacles of corruption reach into schools for children and young adults, they are being taught to hate the U.S. They are being manipulated. So parents home school and those in colleges can fend for themselves but only if they have been taught good and true things and have the wisdom to separate truth from lies in their education. Believe it or not, most people want and will accept the truth, that is, what can be shown to be true. But those actually in charge need to keep manipulation going. It never lasts once it reaches a certain point. Soon the people who can stand it no more, will stand up against the falsehoods being spread among them and reject those falsehoods. Getting back to the topic, do some research. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34102649/ It's not like the FBI, for example, has ignored this. https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/stats-services-publications-school-shooter-school-shooterrelatd_{May 25, 2022
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I am still wondering how he gained access to the school with armed guards there. Don't they lock the doors?ET_{May 25, 2022
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Relatd, your reaction tells me you haven't. KF PS, I linked earlier but obviously the key insight of Plato driven by that context has not registered. Pardon a chunk of text, therefore:
It is not too hard to figure out that our civilisation is in deep trouble and is most likely headed for shipwreck. (And of course, that sort of concern is dismissed as “apocalyptic,” or neurotic pessimism that refuses to pause and smell the roses.) Plato’s Socrates spoke to this sort of situation, long since, in the ship of state parable in The Republic, Bk VI:
>>[Soc.] I perceive, I said, that you are vastly amused at having plunged me into such a hopeless discussion; but now hear the parable, and then you will be still more amused at the meagreness of my imagination: for the manner in which the best men are treated in their own States is so grievous that no single thing on earth is comparable to it; and therefore, if I am to plead their cause, I must have recourse to fiction, and put together a figure made up of many things, like the fabulous unions of goats and stags which are found in pictures. Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain [–> often interpreted, ship’s owner] who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. [= The people own the community and in the mass are overwhelmingly strong, but are ill equipped on the whole to guide, guard and lead it] The sailors are quarrelling with one another about the steering – every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer [= selfish ambition to rule and dominate], though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them [–> kubernetes, steersman, from which both cybernetics and government come in English]; and if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard [ = ruthless contest for domination of the community], and having first chained up the noble captain’s senses with drink or some narcotic drug [ = manipulation and befuddlement, cf. the parable of the cave], they mutiny and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such a manner as might be expected of them [–> Cf here Luke’s subtle case study in Ac 27]. Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of the captain’s hands into their own whether by force or persuasion [–> Nihilistic will to power on the premise of might and manipulation making ‘right’ ‘truth’ ‘justice’ ‘rights’ etc], they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other people like or not-the possibility of this union of authority with the steerer’s art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made part of their calling. Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing? [Ad.] Of course, said Adeimantus. [Soc.] Then you will hardly need, I said, to hear the interpretation of the figure, which describes the true philosopher in his relation to the State [ --> here we see Plato's philosopher-king emerging]; for you understand already. [Ad.] Certainly. [Soc.] Then suppose you now take this parable to the gentleman who is surprised at finding that philosophers have no honour in their cities; explain it to him and try to convince him that their having honour would be far more extraordinary. [Ad.] I will. [Soc.] Say to him, that, in deeming the best votaries of philosophy to be useless to the rest of the world, he is right; but also tell him to attribute their uselessness to the fault of those who will not use them, and not to themselves. The pilot should not humbly beg the sailors to be commanded by him –that is not the order of nature; neither are ‘the wise to go to the doors of the rich’ –the ingenious author of this saying told a lie –but the truth is, that, when a man is ill, whether he be rich or poor, to the physician he must go, and he who wants to be governed, to him who is able to govern. [--> the issue of competence and character as qualifications to rule] The ruler who is good for anything ought not to beg his subjects to be ruled by him [ --> down this road lies the modern solution: a sound, well informed people will seek sound leaders, who will not need to manipulate or bribe or worse, and such a ruler will in turn be checked by the soundness of the people, cf. US DoI, 1776]; although the present governors of mankind are of a different stamp; they may be justly compared to the mutinous sailors, and the true helmsmen to those who are called by them good-for-nothings and star-gazers. [Ad.] Precisely so, he said. [Soc] For these reasons, and among men like these, philosophy, the noblest pursuit of all, is not likely to be much esteemed by those of the opposite faction [--> the sophists, the Demagogues, Alcibiades and co, etc]; not that the greatest and most lasting injury is done to her by her opponents, but by her own professing followers, the same of whom you suppose the accuser to say, that the greater number of them are arrant rogues, and the best are useless; in which opinion I agreed [--> even among the students of the sound state (here, political philosophy and likely history etc.), many are of unsound motivation and intent, so mere education is not enough, character transformation is critical]. [Ad.] Yes. [Soc.] And the reason why the good are useless has now been explained? [Ad.] True. [Soc.] Then shall we proceed to show that the corruption of the majority is also unavoidable [--> implies a need for a corruption-restraining minority providing proverbial salt and light, cf. Ac 27, as well as justifying a governing structure turning on separation of powers, checks and balances], and that this is not to be laid to the charge of philosophy any more than the other? [Ad.] By all means. [Soc.] And let us ask and answer in turn, first going back to the description of the gentle and noble nature.[ -- > note the character issue] Truth, as you will remember, was his leader, whom he followed always and in all things [ --> The spirit of truth as a marker]; failing in this, he was an impostor, and had no part or lot in true philosophy [--> the spirit of truth is a marker, for good or ill] . . . >>
(There is more than an echo of this in Acts 27, a real world case study. [Luke, a physician, was an educated Greek with a taste for subtle references.] This blog post, on soundness in policy, will also help)
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JVL, given the action under colour of law in question and the result, that is seriously to be doubted. KFkairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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KF at 124, The Peloponnesian War? Seriously? Most people do not know much history, so I doubt that they could relate. Maybe if one side had machine-guns... Oh wait. Stick to the present day please.relatd_{May 25, 2022
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Kairosfocus: did people say that about Nazi Germany’s death camps or the Gulag? The analogy is not sound. The US is still a nation of laws. I have no say in how they deal with their problems. It's up to them to solve their problems. I get vilified if I say how I think the US should deal with guns. I get vilified if I don't say how I think the US should deal with guns. Maybe the US citizens should figure out how to deal with guns without the interference of people outside of the US. It is their call.JVL_{May 25, 2022
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Relatd, did you study the history of Athens surrounding the Peloponnesian war? KFkairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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KF at 122, I have studied military and paramilitary operations. Aside from new technology, nothing about human beings has changed. Disaster has been around since the start of this country. Those actually in charge are making too much money in the U.S. to let it go downhill. They have no alternative.relatd_{May 25, 2022
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Relatd, no I am highlighting the crookedness of the yardsticks of the governance classes. Absent a thorough reformation, disaster predictably lies ahead. And we are seeing ship of state games, the very thing Luke critiques by microcosm counter example in Ac 27. KF PS, you don't want to hear my geostrategic analysis. PPS, did you read what I gave above, at 30, which was endorsed by the man who is just about the leading expert on the real deal at Columbine.kairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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KF at 120, Reaching. You are reaching. What needs to de done now - today?relatd_{May 25, 2022
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JVL, did people say that about Nazi Germany's death camps or the Gulag? KFkairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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As more details come to light, did the shooter enter the school through an unlocked door? Andrewasauber_{May 25, 2022
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KF at 110, Do you know the whole story about how abortion was legalized in the U.S.? 1960 - The FDA approves the birth control pill. Most women do not want or need it. It is available by prescription only. 1967 - The April 7, 1967 issue of Time magazine has a cover story about The Pill. The article headline is "Contraception: Freedom from Fear." Fear of what? Babies. That gift from God, that bundle of joy. That was a lie. 1968 - The National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws, later, the National Abortion Rights Action League, took action. They pushed for legal abortion and lied to the American public and the media. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource/55401/an-ex-abortionist-speaksrelatd_{May 25, 2022
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FH, your talking point on Israel is immediately self discrediting. KFkairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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Asuaber: Maybe JVL can point us to some elegant math that solves violence. Those with the problem need to find the solution that works for them. No one outside of the situation should be telling them what to do. What's wrong with that?JVL_{May 25, 2022
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"Canada has no restriction on abortion, and they don’t have the level of gun violence that the US does." Still has the dead babies, though. Andrewasauber_{May 25, 2022
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Relatd: Even though you no longer live in the U.S., the ‘it’s not my problem’ approach is not helpful. I'm not going to preach to people about what they should and shouldn't do. They need to find the solution that works for them. The people with the problem should decide, not those who are not part of that system. Why are you so antagonistic?JVL_{May 25, 2022
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Relatd, Well, Big Picture-wise, if the shooter was taught to respect life and not hate it, the incident doesn't happen. Andrewasauber_{May 25, 2022
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Andrew: It needs to be brought up until it is abolished. It’s the leading indicator that we are living in a Culture of Death. Human life has been devalued. We need to restore a Culture of Life.
Canada has no restriction on abortion, and they don’t have the level of gun violence that the US does.JHolo_{May 25, 2022
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Andrew at 109, Yes but how will that stop gun violence? Most people in the U.S. who kill each other know each other. Most people who use guns are not using them in mass shootings.relatd_{May 25, 2022
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JH, start with this, EVERY WEEK SINCE 1973, with solemn order of the US Government, 25,000 -- half a Vietnam war worth -- of the US' living posterity in the womb has been killed under colour of law, celebrated as rights and choice by the establishment and major media. The fundamental corrosion of values through that mass blood guilt under aegis of the US govt must be reckoned with in seeking any responsible solution. The absence of THIS statistic exposes all others as tainted by the crooked yardstick of a decadent culture of death, one that cumulatively is five times the overall Nazi holocaust in numbers of victims. This is at the heart of the sickness. Fix that and the reforms so to do will fix anyt other problems, fail to fix it and you tell the heartland people that the ruthless want them set up as sheep to be shorn or slaughtered at will. In short, the guns are a sign of fatal disaffection by a people willing and equipped to fight for themselves. Many other bad consequences stem from it but how does one deal with a government already responsible for 63 million innocent souls? KFkairosfocus_{May 25, 2022
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