According to Gateway Pundit (a handy source not an endorsement):
On Friday, the largest group, ‘The People’s Convoy,’ merged with another massive group when it arrived at its final rest stop in Hagerstown, Maryland, which is just 75 miles (90 minutes) away from the nation’s capital.
The convoy is now well over 10,000 vehicles long, including thousands of trucks. There are so many participants in the caravan that it has taken over three hours for them to get off the highway, and there is still no end in sight.
We will monitor, including watching out for a riot that can conveniently be made into a further Reichstag fire framing incident. DEVELOPING
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DEVELOPING: The US Truckers’ protest convoys converge at Hagerstown MD, head for the DC Beltway March 5th
I would not use gateway pundit as a source for anything. They consistently publish things that are not in any other source and then disappear.
Here is the US convoy website.
Jerry, I explicitly do not endorse and have cited on matters of simple fact. Unfortunately the GENERAL quality of media is poor. KF
The US Truckers Convoy has generated almost no news. That should change as they hit the Beltway today. It’s Saturday which I’m sure was planned way ahead of time. See what happens on Monday. The Washington beltway is used by 90% of government workers to get to work.
None of the conservative news sites have mentioned anything in the last few days.
I did a search of several sites and nothing showed up. One article from a month ago indicated the grievances in US are less since mandates are less of a deal in US. Because of state government powers, they are less of an issue than in Canada.
I get the feeling that many believe this is not necessary in US and might generate favorable attitudes toward Biden.
I live in a relatively free state that just got rid of any mask mandates. Before that most were not wearing them. You still see about a 1/3 wearing them in grocery stores near my town which is a liberal part of state. But in other towns, much less.
Jerry, going by the Sandmann standard, the only thing that will get news attention on protests that do not fit the preferred agenda is ifd there is something that can be twisted into an accusation. KF
So we are endorsing government by trucker? Public health policy decided by heavy haulage drivers? Peterbilt for President?
Who is in the US Trucker convoy?
They represent all of the US not just the elites funded by Wall Street who owns Big Pharma and the news that a large percentage still read/watch.
Again , here are the elites driving the agenda that is undermining a sane world. Nearly everyone is missing the real story on what’s happening.
Another ironic comment by the resident anti ID, Seversky, as he endorses the elites pulling the strings.
Sev, first, strawman. A protest is neither a policy nor a regime, it is petition for redress. When it comes to the pandemic, as I noted in the Canadian thread 4,
Here are the 50+ steps.
There is need for a serious rethink and fresh approach.
This made me laugh. It’s like protesting winter at the end of March.
Another one worth a chuckle.
NBC affiliate report earlier today https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/truck-convoy-expected-to-enter-dc-area-saturday/2991174/
Long article with lots of photos. We will know in next couple days more of what they are/will do.
Jerry, useful, a 30 mile long convoy is obviously significant. I note some remarks in the DM article, which tie into the false dilemma polarisation issue:
In short, petition for redress of grievance, particularly tied to excesses and possible abuses of official power.
PS, we can also see the you are extremists talking points. Fits right in with the false dilemma and polarisation issue. There is a real grievance that is not going to go away because people have had insult added to injury.
C19 is out of the headlines. This is mainly attributed to the Ukraine invasion. However, it may also be due to potential devastating findings about the vaccines.
F/N: It seems, details include:
This came out by FOIA action.
Consider, here, that the well tested treatments, in reasonable doses, have little side effects and credibly function to prevent progressing down the U/L track of such a disease. Once, given early enough. Then, consider the impact of the official push to suppress such, down to locking up Quercetin, a supplement coming from apple peels.
We need to ask some pretty pointed questions.
PS, Dr Robert Malone responds https://rumble.com/vwgsik-dr.-robert-malone-on-the-cdc-directors-4-big-admissions.html
PPS, why is there a rollback on masks etc just now? https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/03/why-are-covid-restrictions-coming-off.php
Mob slander power exemplified https://www.wnd.com/2022/03/christian-student-sues-school-campaign-portray-violent/
You mean, if a landslide is strong enough you can’t agit prop, lawfare and cheat your way around it?
Another article with dozens of photos of Truckers on Washington Beltway today.
Here we go . . .
The I-Word, insurrectionists, hovers unstated but implied.
Contrast Summer of 2020 when arson was across the street from the White House,
PS, anyone notice the contrast between media minimalisation of the demonstration and the sort of official reaction we see here? Also, the difference in DM’s coverage?
Question: Half of US knows that legacy media is PsyOp and still watch them /haven’t cancelled anything that pay them? Shouldn’t be a mass exit from twitter/youtube/facebook/cable with legacy media / of all people who know that?
The best resume I’ve ever read:
<<“[SNIP] is so fake that the minute an outsider took office we got cheap gas, cheap food, became energy independent, no wars and focused on our country’s own issues.
Establishment hacks get back in and we have inflation, medical tyranny, world war 3, need to take a mortgage for gas.>>
Footage of the convoy https://twitter.com/realDerekUtley/status/1500529129573265418
Tin ear speech by US VP:
In another report,
This is obviously coordinated and a sign they cannot directly respond to the concerns raised by the truckers, while having a scarcely veiled hostility. Where, ahead of arrival in DC, fencing went up around the Govt buildings housing Congress (just before State of Union speech) and some pandemic restrictions were eased.
Both reveal policy analysis failure and an implied hostility to the heartland, working class people like those who drive trucks and serve in the military. Russia’s threat is immediate. After 20+ years of trying it is clear that so called green energy is more hype than performance. The VP needs to ask where the key materials for batteries are mined. And Russia’s threat is now, not in a dreamed of future.
It seems, though, the truckers have won this round, and have made their point. If they have to reach so far to try a comeback pout down point, that is telling.
They are still there, still protesting.
I left a comment on the other thread but it is better placed here.
The Canadian protesters can take a page from the American protesters. It is possible to have a very visible protest without breaking laws, harassing and disrupting thousands of people, or alienating a large number of people who might otherwise have supported the cause.
The US media have responded as if they are invisible and not there. They do not even make the conservative sites.
There is less of an issue in the US as individual states have more power. The next election will be about trying to keep the power of Democratic governors. With the press on their side and the giving out trillions to voters, it may work.
Someone once said: “You can fool some of the people all the time.” With the press so one sided, this percentage is very high. People are generally ignorant, especially the more educated you are.
Again, the website for the convoy.
I think there is less of a difference between Canada and the US than you think. At least with respect to COVID restrictions. The feds have authority over cross border traffic and airline restrictions, same as in the US. But all other restrictions in Canada are at the provincial level, and sometimes there are even additional municipal restrictions. Things like masking, vaccine requirements, capacity limits, closing businesses, sporting events, churches, etc, are all under provincial control.
Regardless of what the truckers demanded if they feds, the feds do not have the authority to lift public health restrictions imposed by the province. Even if the province required the wearing of pink fluffy slippers in public for public health reasons, the feds would be powerless to overrule them.
Exports to the US are a major part of the Canadian economy. Exports to Canada are a minor part of US economy. Now a lot of the Canadian exports may be oil from Alberta but my guess in terms of physical goods carried by truck this is still true.
That is probably behind the Truckers convoy in Canada as opposed to just plain mandates in general in the US. My guess is if a trucker for whatever reason does not want the vaccine, he has more options in the US than Canada for work.
Both the US and Canadian government lied to the people for nearly 2 years and caused all sorts of hardship and dysfunctional behavior. They are still lying. However, some of the states early on caught on and were vocal about it and did things the federal government did not advocate and essentially were proven right.
The reaction by the Trudeau government was world class in terms of the history of oppression. Wake up tomorrow and find out all your money you have is gone because you didn’t do what the government wanted. But yet the Canadian people approved.
A large percentage of the US would approve too as they are also fed lies by the press and believe them. I have good friends who claim to be conservative and live in Maryland and read the Washington Post every day. I was in the house the other day of another conservative friend and she had on the national news on TV which I listened to for 15 minutes as it essentially put out propaganda. I pointed out 4 distortions/lies to her. She just stared and I am sure was watching again the next night.
You cannot trust it for the weather anymore as I watched the weather report at this friends house and the weather guy mentioned climate change during his report.
Well, just based on a population difference, you are probably correct. But, just like the US, Canada has a big shortage of truck drivers. Any cross-border driver who doesn’t want to get the vaccine, there are no shortage of opportunities for him.
In fact, the small percentage of drivers who refused the vaccine made very little impact on the cross-border traffic. Which must have been a blow to their egos.
Sc, while truckers are canaries in the mines (and evidently haven’t been superspreaders to any significant degree) the issues of lawfulness in defence of the civil peace of justice are general. Justice is the due balance of rights, freedoms and duties. Rights, in turn are binding morally founded claims to be respected by others in regard to life, liberty, innocent reputation etc, requiring that to properly claim a right X one must be manifestly in the right regarding X; as, there can be no right to demand that another do evil and taint conscience. To illustrate, when in the 5-minute trials over the Baptist War uprising a slave blacksmith compelled at gunpoint to repair a damaged musket was hanged, that was gross injustice. I am increasingly convinced we need to return to recognising the historic framework of branch on which we all sit first duties (thus, first rights) as a start point for restoring civilisation to soundness. The inclination of government to lawless oligarchy is a hazard we must all recognise and restrain, where, the pandemic has shown too many cases of that inclination, indeed, it is clear that the vaccines push by officialdom has been in manifest violation of the Nuremberg Code. KF
PS: The Nuremberg Code:
Grossly violated, in fact grounding empanelling of international tribunals. However, so pervasive that perhaps instead an international truth and reconciliation commission is a better approach, where on power of pardon, truth is told and lessons of binding force are drawn to correct reversion to barbarism under colour of science and medicine.
PPS, the majority [~ 90%] of drivers in the Canadian protests were vaccinated. The issue is lawfulness respecting liberty and curbing official overreach, informed by Nuremberg principles.
Meanwhile, the US Truckers are still there.
Again, the website for the convoy.
Jerry, I haven’t been following this but has Biden sat down with them to discuss their demands?
No, the issue is a bunch of self-important, immature, selfish truckers taking there frustrations out on innocent people.
There was no loss of liberty. The government is responsible for protecting its citizenry from many things, including health and safety. To do this, they provided advance notice to international truckers that they would need vaccination to enter the country or require testing and quarantine. 90+% of truckers got vaccinated. We can discuss the value of this approach, and we would probably agree, but the government is certainly well within its authority to do this.
The argument that the government was denying truckers a livelihood is a strawman. We have had a trucker shortage in Canada for years. They could have found other employment easily, but they opted to pretend that they were fighting for all of our freedoms.
Amazingly, this is exactly what was said about the Paris protesters . . . by Marie Antoinette! Her speech ended with “Let them eat cake.”
Except the Paris protesters represented the majority of the Paris citizens, not a fringe minority, as was the case with the Ottawa protesters. And, she never said “let them eat cake. 🙂 And, if my memory of history is correct (no guarantee that it is), the protesters in Paris had the goal of overthrowing the monarch/government. I have been told repeatedly here that overthrowing government was never the goal of the truckers.
No, why would he?
An assumption about all protests
When you are in the wrong, are you going to negotiate with those that are right? The US and Canadian governments are certainly in the wrong as they constantly lie about the virus. Now that the virus is back page news, they will lie about other things.
I am currently listening to a long book that the audio is over 24 hours long. It is called the Candy Bombers and about the Berlin Airlift. It is one of the most detailed histories I have ever seen on any topic but especially this important topic.
One of the amazing insights is how those in power, in this case, the Soviets distorted any attempt to get to an agreement. It was only by one of the great protests in history, airlifting tons of food and material each day to a starving population that won the day.
Will someday, someone get to write the truth about the oppressive governments in the US and Canada? Hopefully so, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. These are not good people so negotiating in good faith is not something they do. The only hope is that somehow they can be vanquished.
Just interested, as the fact that Trudeau didn’t meet with the protesters was used here as justification for the truckers occupation and constant harassment of the people who lived in downtown Ottawa.
Sc, I think you need to update your thinking i/l/o many things, for instance what is emerging from the VAERS information repository. KF
PS, let me clip a comment I put up earlier in another thread, inviting you to examine the graphical summary at open vaers,:
We may see a very serious long term consequence from how cavalierly Nuremberg Principles have been treated. At minimum, the Canadian and US truckers have a serious grievance and the refusal of officialdom to pay regard of consequence is a sobering sign of where we are.
Sc, why do you keep insisting on twisting others into evil caricatures? No one justifies civil disobedience or onward uprising as a good thing. However, for both there is a long history of escalation of protest in the face of officialdom deaf to grievances and we must take the whole into account. The equally longstanding tactic of portraying protesters and those who may go far beyond, as lawless and acting without grievance cannot be defended on that history. Do you imagine Sam Sharpe et al had no cause? The American founders? Spartacus and co? Christians who went to the lions because they would not go to a temple, toss salt on an altar and confess Ceasar as Lord and so were branded as traitors? I suggest, you need to think again. KF
Sorry, but I was always told that taking your frustrations out on innocent people was evil. Were my parents in error?
They are not innocent if they agree with the Canadian government. They are complicit if they do.
But also this was just a side show for what’s really happening.
Everyone thought the quick pivot would be to climate change but an intervening convenient event happened. Russia invaded Ukraine. So we have another major crisis to take people’s minds off the important things.
Sorry, but I don’t remember if they asked the people who lived there whether or not they agreed with the government.
Besides, this is not about the government actions during the pandemic. It is about whether the truckers actions can be justified by any perceived grievance. Nobody here has explained how government actions justified the occupation of several city blocks and the constant harassing of the people who live there.
Interestingly, everyone can be dismissed as a “fringe minority.”
For example, what do you call a retired male who goes on cruises and drinks martinis and writes the same comments over and over? A fringe minority that can be safely ignored.
In the U.S., at least one state senator already met with the truckers. And such blue-collar protests are happening all over the world!
And now an advisor to Trudeau claims that beating the tar out of the peaceful (though persistent) protesters was perfectly justified because they were secretly trying to overthrow the Canadian government!!!
When you only represent <10% of the population, you are on the fringe. That doesn’t mean that your grievances don’t have merit, just that they aren’t shared by a large proportion of the population.
Obviously, nothing justifies beating the tar out of anyone. Thankfully, there were very few incidents, on either side, and those identified are being investigated.
Well, it wasn’t very secret. They published a MOU requesting that the Governor General and Senate remove Trudeau and overrule government directives. That sounds like an attempted overthrow. Not an effective or well thought out one, but what would you expect from people who see nothing wrong with occupying several blocks of a city and constantly harassing the innocent people living there. Not exactly the type of people that I am proud to call Canadians. But I guess every country has their share of people who act childishly and selfishly.
My contention is that every person on earth can be labeled a “fringe minority” of some kind. After scanning through many protest live streams, it was abundantly apparent that ALL the violence was initiated by the police or their proxies–none from the protesting truckers who were peaceful from the beginning. The Canadian police should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves!
No, an overthrow is where a group of people, arrest or kill the people in charge and take their place. None of this occurred in Canada except in the paranoid imaginations of your fascist leaders.
A protest is by its very nature an impassioned communication of grievances made necessary by preoccupied, corrupt, and no-longer representative politicians and bureaucrats, which inconveniences the majority of people to the point that they and even the CBC cannot ignore.
Every strike in history was initiated by some “fringe group.” This time, it was truckers.
I saw that many of your so-called innocent people in Ottawa also joined in the display of patriotism, party atmosphere, music, cheers and chants, honking, unregulated friendliness, sharing food, shoveling snow, and partially restricting traffic that the Canadian police then blocked off entirely.
I saw zero violence and zero harassment in the live streams that wasn’t initiated by the Canadian police. Did you even watch any of it live stream?
Here’s an Canadian who can explain it for you:
I agree. I’m sure some of my views would be characterized as fringe and others would be more commonly held. That is the nature of human beings.
When people resist police trying to move them along, there is violence on both sides. But with regard to the Canadian police, they have nothing to be ashamed of. They cleared the area with remarkably few incidents compared to many other police actions against resisting crowds. There may be a few where excessive force was used and they will be investigated.
No, an overthrow is the change of government through means other than those allowed by legal, constitutional means. What they were asking the Governor General and senate to do does not fall under this category. An, attempt, even an inept one, is still an attempt.
By your definition, all protests are justified. I’m pretty sure that is not what you are intending to say.
No, I was down there most days because I work there. I witnessed protesters yelling at people who were wearing masks. I witnessed the truckers honking their horns at all hours of the day. I witnessed them obstruct paramedics trying to get to calls. I know first hand of two people under home care who had to be transferred to the hospital because their home care nurses were unable to get to them because of the truckers.
But the grievances of the Canadian people are still unaddressed by your fascist government. Here’s Victoria B.C. today:
Happily, I’m not yet seeing images of the Canadian police turning Canadians into Piñatas at a birthday party!
Another assessment of current Canadian politics by a Canadian.
And you didn’t see it in Ottawa either.
But these protesters are not doing anything to warrant police intervention. They are obviously smarter than those that occupied several blocks in Ottawa.
Oh yes, they were! They were HONKING heir horns, shouting “Freedom,” slowing traffic, and disturbing the peace. All criminal offenses now in Fascist Canada.
And I guess you forgot this charming little encounter with the OTTAWA police:
So I stand behind my assertion about the Canadian police cheerfully beating the tar out of Canadian citizens, including this journalist. Go on, keep defending the fascist goon squad.
Oh, yes. The Rebel News reporter who was targeted by the “goon squad”. The Rebel News reporter who had a crowd funding site created for her law suit against the police before the “event” occurred. Forgive me if I doubt the narrative of Rebel News.
Sure, when the video shows the assault and the injuries to her leg, so you have no choice but attack the person of the reporter who was beaten and shot. Was the Ottawa police goon who was clearly beating on her an imposter or was he legitimate?
When the person has a crowd funding site set up to fund her lawsuit against the police for brutality before the event she is suing for, what am I supposed to think?
Scamp, you are reacting to people whose cause you reject as though they have no rights and no grievance. You have refused to recognise evidence of grievance and have failed to recognise malfeasance of officialdom. Yes, civil disobedience is always controversial, and it is always subject to demand to obey officials, but we must recognise that officials can be in the wrong or insensitive to grievance, too. In this case there is reason to believe or at least fear that the vaccines have been doing circulatory system damage, especially heart damage, and we know they are far less effective than traditional vaccines, meanwhile cumulative evidence of effectiveness of treatments has been sidelined and subjected to agit prop. At the same time, there are troubling signs of official overreach towards surveillance and control state. In that context it is clear police, including in Australia and Canada have done things that are questionable or outright abusive. In Canada, financial retaliation threatened to undermine confidence in the banks. Your insensitivity to such speaks, not in your favour. KF
Please cite the comment or comments that state that I reject their cause. You are reacting to things that I have never said. My comments have always been about the inappropriate and illegal tactics used by the protesters. Not about the validity of the cause or the hazards of the vaccine. They are not relevant to my comments.
Might I suggest that you make an attempt to understand a person’s argument before you respond to it. It makes for a more constructive discussion.
PS, kindly consider: perhaps the person in question has more awareness of the ugly side of on the ground realities than you have.
F/N: on checking their site, they are still in Hagerstown, still rallying, protesting and convoying. They are probably trying to consolidate as a grassroots movement. KF
Sc, EVERY protest that uses civil disobedience breaks the law. Were you similarly exercised over other such protests? No responsible person likes to see law breaking, however — as has been repeatedly pointed out to you but dismissed the better to focus on illegality — there are any number of cases where civil authorities have been deaf to mere remonstrance, and where civil disobedience has contributed to breakthrough. Ms Rosa Parks broke the laws on the books, so did Martin Luther King, so did Ghandi, so did Thoreau, so did the early trade union organisers, so did Luther at Worms, so did the early Christians refusing to offer salt in the altar fire and swear Caesar is Lord. So did Jesus, taking in mind that the traditions of the elders were thought to have force of law, and that the money changers were there in the court of the gentiles under approval of the civil authority. And more. Civil disobedience must be seen in context, and the grievance at stake must not be sidestepped. KF
Your condescension has been duly ignored.
Some of them yes, some of them no. In general, when the protests target and cause suffering to innocent people for extended periods of time, they are unacceptable.
And, unless I am mistaken, they did not target and cause intentional suffering to innocent people. The only thing harmed by them was the sensibilities of self-entitled elites.
Which I have done. There is no context under which intentionally targeting and causing the suffering of innocent people is acceptable.
No grievance, regardless of its merit, justifies what the truckers did in Ottawa or at border crossings. The fact that you can’t see this speaks volumes, and not in your favour.
Sc, there is a serious grievance as you have been present to see but have refused to examine. As the incidence of adverse events becomes ever higher, we are going to have to seriously deal with how authorities have been deaf to remonstrance and I fear it is not going to be pretty. As for oh those annoying truckers breaking the law, civil disobedience is always illegal and controversial but is a sight less so than proverbial pitchforks, tar and feathers or worse, so we need to take pause and ask ourselves if we are playing with fatal disaffection. KF
This is priceless. The truckers getting pissed off at a cyclist for slowing down their slow drive through DC.
He got the attention of both the truckers and the other citizens. And he did it without breaking any laws. Civil disobedience at its best, and most effective.
More details on the cyclist that pissed off the truckers.
“And he did it without breaking any laws”
What do you know about traffic laws in the DC area? In my state riding a bike on the freeway is against the law
In Virginia a bicyclist cannot ride on an Interstate and also a bicycle cannot ride on the George Washington Parkway which I think is part of I 95 I have no idea what route the truckers are on so I have no idea what highway the bicyclists was on.
Not much. But I assume that they are similar to here. When there are not designated bike lanes bicycles have the same rights, and must follow the same rules, as cars.
Same here. But they weren’t on the freeway. They were on a city street.
But I find it ironic that when truckers are disrupting traffic, it is justifiable civil disobedience. But when a lone cyclist disrupts the truckers’ plans, it is unacceptable.
The truckers should hire the cyclist as their marketing agent.
To get an idea of what people think of the truckers and this cyclist I recommend reading the comments to this tweet.
“Same here. But they weren’t on the freeway. They were on a city street.”
I think that’s completely legal
“But I find it ironic that when truckers are disrupting traffic, it is justifiable civil disobedience. But when a lone cyclist disrupts the truckers’ plans, it is unacceptable.”
I don’t know who you are talking about but I fully support the bicyclist right to peacefully protest.
I apologize if you thought my comment was about you personally.
“I apologize if you thought my comment was about you personally.”
Not necessary but that’s very gracious of you.
And now, here’s what some MEPs in the European Parliament had to say about the way Justin Trudeau brutalized freedom in Canada:
In order of appearance:
MEP Christine Anderson of Germany
MEP Mislav Kolakusic of Croatia
Romanian MEP Christian Terhes
EU representative from Munich, Bernhard Zimniok
Two of them requested that Justin Trudeau not be allowed to address the EU Parliament and most of the MEPs walked out when he persisted in doing so anyway.
And then, he had the gall to lecture the European Parliament (or at least those who remained) about “democracy.” How embarrassing!
According to this article:
Almost 80% of the European Parliament walked out in protest to Justin Trudeau’s speech. Naturally, he would term this “a small, fringe minority” as usual.