DEVELOPING: The US Truckers’ protest convoys converge at Hagerstown MD, head for the DC Beltway March 5th

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March 5, 2022

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According to Gateway Pundit (a handy source not an endorsement):

On Friday, the largest group, ‘The People’s Convoy,’ merged with another massive group when it arrived at its final rest stop in Hagerstown, Maryland, which is just 75 miles (90 minutes) away from the nation’s capital.
The convoy is now well over 10,000 vehicles long, including thousands of trucks. There are so many participants in the caravan that it has taken over three hours for them to get off the highway, and there is still no end in sight.

We will monitor, including watching out for a riot that can conveniently be made into a further Reichstag fire framing incident. DEVELOPING

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According to this article: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trudeau-attacks-truckers-in-mostly-empty-eu-parliament-gets-eviscerated-by-croation-mep/ Almost 80% of the European Parliament walked out in protest to Justin Trudeau's speech. Naturally, he would term this "a small, fringe minority" as usual. -QQuerius_{March 24, 2022
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And now, here's what some MEPs in the European Parliament had to say about the way Justin Trudeau brutalized freedom in Canada: In order of appearance: MEP Christine Anderson of Germany MEP Mislav Kolakusic of Croatia Romanian MEP Christian Terhes EU representative from Munich, Bernhard Zimniok Two of them requested that Justin Trudeau not be allowed to address the EU Parliament and most of the MEPs walked out when he persisted in doing so anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5_8TJxj6I And then, he had the gall to lecture the European Parliament (or at least those who remained) about "democracy." How embarrassing! -QQuerius_{March 24, 2022
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Scamp “I apologize if you thought my comment was about you personally.” Not necessary but that’s very gracious of you. Vividvividbleau_{March 20, 2022
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VB: I don’t know who you are talking about but I fully support the bicyclist right to peacefully protest.
I apologize if you thought my comment was about you personally.Scamp_{March 20, 2022
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Scamp “Same here. But they weren’t on the freeway. They were on a city street.” I think that’s completely legal “But I find it ironic that when truckers are disrupting traffic, it is justifiable civil disobedience. But when a lone cyclist disrupts the truckers’ plans, it is unacceptable.” I don’t know who you are talking about but I fully support the bicyclist right to peacefully protest. Vividvividbleau_{March 20, 2022
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VB: What do you know about traffic laws in the DC area?
Not much. But I assume that they are similar to here. When there are not designated bike lanes bicycles have the same rights, and must follow the same rules, as cars.
In my state riding a bike on the freeway is against the law.
Same here. But they weren’t on the freeway. They were on a city street. But I find it ironic that when truckers are disrupting traffic, it is justifiable civil disobedience. But when a lone cyclist disrupts the truckers’ plans, it is unacceptable. The truckers should hire the cyclist as their marketing agent. To get an idea of what people think of the truckers and this cyclist I recommend reading the comments to this tweet. https://twitter.com/ztpetrizzo/status/1505332506073223175?s=21Scamp_{March 20, 2022
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In Virginia a bicyclist cannot ride on an Interstate and also a bicycle cannot ride on the George Washington Parkway which I think is part of I 95 I have no idea what route the truckers are on so I have no idea what highway the bicyclists was on. Vividvividbleau_{March 20, 2022
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Scamp “And he did it without breaking any laws” What do you know about traffic laws in the DC area? In my state riding a bike on the freeway is against the law Vivid.vividbleau_{March 20, 2022
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More details on the cyclist that pissed off the truckers.
In a second video shared by Petrizzo, filmed by a livestreaming trucker when the road widened into multiple lanes, the truck driver pulled alongside the bicyclist to yell at him. “Hey, what are you doing? You’ve got a bunch of trucks behind you,” he said. “What’s that? I didn’t hear you… I didn’t hear you, what did you say?” the man on a bike responded. “You have a bunch of trucks behind you,” the trucker repeated. Trolling once again, the bicyclist gestured to his ear and said, “Can’t hear you, sorry, it’s too loud,” as the honking continued. https://apple.news/AJhgYd3I6Q-euyRcuRNs3EQ
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This is priceless. The truckers getting pissed off at a cyclist for slowing down their slow drive through DC. https://twitter.com/tristansnell/status/1505351939504095237?s=21 He got the attention of both the truckers and the other citizens. And he did it without breaking any laws. Civil disobedience at its best, and most effective.Scamp_{March 20, 2022
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Sc, there is a serious grievance as you have been present to see but have refused to examine. As the incidence of adverse events becomes ever higher, we are going to have to seriously deal with how authorities have been deaf to remonstrance and I fear it is not going to be pretty. As for oh those annoying truckers breaking the law, civil disobedience is always illegal and controversial but is a sight less so than proverbial pitchforks, tar and feathers or worse, so we need to take pause and ask ourselves if we are playing with fatal disaffection. KFkairosfocus_{March 19, 2022
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KF: Sc, EVERY protest that uses civil disobedience breaks the law. Were you similarly exercised over other such protests?
Some of them yes, some of them no. In general, when the protests target and cause suffering to innocent people for extended periods of time, they are unacceptable.
Ms Rosa Parks broke the laws on the books, so did Martin Luther King, so did Ghandi,
And, unless I am mistaken, they did not target and cause intentional suffering to innocent people. The only thing harmed by them was the sensibilities of self-entitled elites.
And more. Civil disobedience must be seen in context,
Which I have done. There is no context under which intentionally targeting and causing the suffering of innocent people is acceptable.
and the grievance at stake must not be sidestepped. KF
No grievance, regardless of its merit, justifies what the truckers did in Ottawa or at border crossings. The fact that you can’t see this speaks volumes, and not in your favour.Scamp_{March 18, 2022
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KF: PS, kindly consider: perhaps the person in question has more awareness of the ugly side of on the ground realities than you have.
Your condescension has been duly ignored.Scamp_{March 18, 2022
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Sc, EVERY protest that uses civil disobedience breaks the law. Were you similarly exercised over other such protests? No responsible person likes to see law breaking, however -- as has been repeatedly pointed out to you but dismissed the better to focus on illegality -- there are any number of cases where civil authorities have been deaf to mere remonstrance, and where civil disobedience has contributed to breakthrough. Ms Rosa Parks broke the laws on the books, so did Martin Luther King, so did Ghandi, so did Thoreau, so did the early trade union organisers, so did Luther at Worms, so did the early Christians refusing to offer salt in the altar fire and swear Caesar is Lord. So did Jesus, taking in mind that the traditions of the elders were thought to have force of law, and that the money changers were there in the court of the gentiles under approval of the civil authority. And more. Civil disobedience must be seen in context, and the grievance at stake must not be sidestepped. KFkairosfocus_{March 18, 2022
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F/N: on checking their site, they are still in Hagerstown, still rallying, protesting and convoying. They are probably trying to consolidate as a grassroots movement. KFkairosfocus_{March 18, 2022
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PS, kindly consider: perhaps the person in question has more awareness of the ugly side of on the ground realities than you have.kairosfocus_{March 14, 2022
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KF: Scamp, you are reacting to people whose cause you reject as though they have no rights and no grievance.
Please cite the comment or comments that state that I reject their cause. You are reacting to things that I have never said. My comments have always been about the inappropriate and illegal tactics used by the protesters. Not about the validity of the cause or the hazards of the vaccine. They are not relevant to my comments. Might I suggest that you make an attempt to understand a person’s argument before you respond to it. It makes for a more constructive discussion.Scamp_{March 14, 2022
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Scamp, you are reacting to people whose cause you reject as though they have no rights and no grievance. You have refused to recognise evidence of grievance and have failed to recognise malfeasance of officialdom. Yes, civil disobedience is always controversial, and it is always subject to demand to obey officials, but we must recognise that officials can be in the wrong or insensitive to grievance, too. In this case there is reason to believe or at least fear that the vaccines have been doing circulatory system damage, especially heart damage, and we know they are far less effective than traditional vaccines, meanwhile cumulative evidence of effectiveness of treatments has been sidelined and subjected to agit prop. At the same time, there are troubling signs of official overreach towards surveillance and control state. In that context it is clear police, including in Australia and Canada have done things that are questionable or outright abusive. In Canada, financial retaliation threatened to undermine confidence in the banks. Your insensitivity to such speaks, not in your favour. KFkairosfocus_{March 14, 2022
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Querius: Sure, when the video shows the assault and the injuries to her leg, so you have no choice but attack the person of the reporter who was beaten and shot.
When the person has a crowd funding site set up to fund her lawsuit against the police for brutality before the event she is suing for, what am I supposed to think?Scamp_{March 13, 2022
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Sure, when the video shows the assault and the injuries to her leg, so you have no choice but attack the person of the reporter who was beaten and shot. Was the Ottawa police goon who was clearly beating on her an imposter or was he legitimate? -QQuerius_{March 12, 2022
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Querius: And I guess you forgot this charming little encounter with the OTTAWA police:
Oh, yes. The Rebel News reporter who was targeted by the “goon squad”. The Rebel News reporter who had a crowd funding site created for her law suit against the police before the “event” occurred. Forgive me if I doubt the narrative of Rebel News.Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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Querius: Oh yes, they were! They were HONKING heir horns, shouting “Freedom,” slowing traffic, and disturbing the peace. All criminal offenses now in Fascist Canada.
Nice try.Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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But these protesters are not doing anything to warrant police intervention.
Oh yes, they were! They were HONKING heir horns, shouting "Freedom," slowing traffic, and disturbing the peace. All criminal offenses now in Fascist Canada. And I guess you forgot this charming little encounter with the OTTAWA police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=DhiIG3bEiY0 So I stand behind my assertion about the Canadian police cheerfully beating the tar out of Canadian citizens, including this journalist. Go on, keep defending the fascist goon squad. -QQuerius_{March 12, 2022
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Querius: Happily, I’m not yet seeing images of the Canadian police turning Canadians into Piñatas at a birthday party!
And you didn’t see it in Ottawa either. But these protesters are not doing anything to warrant police intervention. They are obviously smarter than those that occupied several blocks in Ottawa.Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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Another assessment of current Canadian politics by a Canadian. https://pjmedia.com/columns/david-solway-2/2022/03/11/canadas-real-prime-minister-n1565874jerry_{March 12, 2022
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But the grievances of the Canadian people are still unaddressed by your fascist government. Here's Victoria B.C. today: https://youtu.be/RY-T2iesuM4 Happily, I'm not yet seeing images of the Canadian police turning Canadians into Piñatas at a birthday party! -QQuerius_{March 12, 2022
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Querius: My contention is that every person on earth can be labeled a “fringe minority” of some kind.
I agree. I’m sure some of my views would be characterized as fringe and others would be more commonly held. That is the nature of human beings.
After scanning through many protest live streams, it was abundantly apparent that ALL the violence was initiated by the police or their proxies–none from the protesting truckers who were peaceful from the beginning. The Canadian police should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves!
When people resist police trying to move them along, there is violence on both sides. But with regard to the Canadian police, they have nothing to be ashamed of. They cleared the area with remarkably few incidents compared to many other police actions against resisting crowds. There may be a few where excessive force was used and they will be investigated.
No, an overthrow is where a group of people, arrest or kill the people in charge and take their place. None of this occurred in Canada except in the paranoid imaginations of your fascist leaders.
No, an overthrow is the change of government through means other than those allowed by legal, constitutional means. What they were asking the Governor General and senate to do does not fall under this category. An, attempt, even an inept one, is still an attempt.
A protest is by its very nature an impassioned communication of grievances made necessary by preoccupied, corrupt, and no-longer representative politicians and bureaucrats, which inconveniences the majority of people to the point that they and even the CBC cannot ignore.
By your definition, all protests are justified. I’m pretty sure that is not what you are intending to say.
I saw zero violence and zero harassment in the live streams that wasn’t initiated by the Canadian police. Did you even watch any of it live stream?
No, I was down there most days because I work there. I witnessed protesters yelling at people who were wearing masks. I witnessed the truckers honking their horns at all hours of the day. I witnessed them obstruct paramedics trying to get to calls. I know first hand of two people under home care who had to be transferred to the hospital because their home care nurses were unable to get to them because of the truckers.Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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My contention is that every person on earth can be labeled a "fringe minority" of some kind. After scanning through many protest live streams, it was abundantly apparent that ALL the violence was initiated by the police or their proxies--none from the protesting truckers who were peaceful from the beginning. The Canadian police should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves! No, an overthrow is where a group of people, arrest or kill the people in charge and take their place. None of this occurred in Canada except in the paranoid imaginations of your fascist leaders. A protest is by its very nature an impassioned communication of grievances made necessary by preoccupied, corrupt, and no-longer representative politicians and bureaucrats, which inconveniences the majority of people to the point that they and even the CBC cannot ignore. Every strike in history was initiated by some "fringe group." This time, it was truckers. I saw that many of your so-called innocent people in Ottawa also joined in the display of patriotism, party atmosphere, music, cheers and chants, honking, unregulated friendliness, sharing food, shoveling snow, and partially restricting traffic that the Canadian police then blocked off entirely. I saw zero violence and zero harassment in the live streams that wasn't initiated by the Canadian police. Did you even watch any of it live stream? Here's an Canadian who can explain it for you: https://youtu.be/v-6pveoCADg -QQuerius_{March 12, 2022
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Querius: Interestingly, everyone can be dismissed as a “fringe minority.”
When you only represent <10% of the population, you are on the fringe. That doesn’t mean that your grievances don’t have merit, just that they aren’t shared by a large proportion of the population.
And now an advisor to Trudeau claims that beating the tar out of the peaceful (though persistent) protesters was perfectly justified…
Obviously, nothing justifies beating the tar out of anyone. Thankfully, there were very few incidents, on either side, and those identified are being investigated.
… because they were secretly trying to overthrow the Canadian government!!!
Well, it wasn’t very secret. They published a MOU requesting that the Governor General and Senate remove Trudeau and overrule government directives. That sounds like an attempted overthrow. Not an effective or well thought out one, but what would you expect from people who see nothing wrong with occupying several blocks of a city and constantly harassing the innocent people living there. Not exactly the type of people that I am proud to call Canadians. But I guess every country has their share of people who act childishly and selfishly.Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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Interestingly, everyone can be dismissed as a "fringe minority." For example, what do you call a retired male who goes on cruises and drinks martinis and writes the same comments over and over? A fringe minority that can be safely ignored. In the U.S., at least one state senator already met with the truckers. And such blue-collar protests are happening all over the world! And now an advisor to Trudeau claims that beating the tar out of the peaceful (though persistent) protesters was perfectly justified because they were secretly trying to overthrow the Canadian government!!! -QQuerius_{March 12, 2022
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