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A couple of weeks ago a friend forwarded me a link to this recent article about “ongoing research to record the interaction of environment and evolution” by University of California, Riverside biologist David Reznick. Reznick’s team has been studying adaptive changes in guppies. Reznick’s work focuses on tracking what happens in real-world situations in the wild, rather than the somewhat artificial environments in the lab. As a result, Reznick has gathered some of the more trustworthy and definitive data about changes over time in a real-world environment, largely free from the intervention and interference of the coated lab worker.

The article states:

The new work is part of research that Reznick has been doing since 1978. It involved transplanting guppies from a river with a diverse community of predators into a river with no predators – except for one other fish species, an occasional predator – to record how the guppies would evolve and how they might impact their environment.

In the recent follow-up research, Reznick’s team studied “how male color pattern affected” their differential survival in the environment. Significantly, the team even gathered DNA from the guppies over time to track who their parents were and reconstruct a guppie pedigree to help determine the reproductive success. Without going into all the details, which are interesting in their own right, the key point for my purposes today is that this adaptive change occurred extremely quickly.

Graduate student, Swanne Gordon, noted,

Our research shows that these fish adapted to their new habitats in less than one year, or three to four generations, which is even faster than we previously thought.

Reznick adds,

People think of evolution as historical. They don’t think of it as something that’s happening under our nose. It is a contemporary process. People are skeptical; they don’t believe in evolution because they can’t see it. Here, we see it. We can see if something makes you better able to make babies and live longer.

What Really Happened?

Now normally when my friend forwards a link, I will just review the article, realize it is making claims beyond the data, and move on. But coincidentally, just days earlier I had been reading Chapter 7 of Lee Spetner’s 1998 book, Not by Chance!

Part of Spetner’s argument is that many adaptive changes we see in nature are in fact not examples of a Darwinian process of chance changes + natural selection, but instead the result of specific programming capabilities in the organism to allow it to respond to changes in the environment. Indeed, what caught my eye about the article my friend forwarded is that Spetner had discussed Reznick’s earlier experiments in that very context.

After describing two different predators of the guppies: (i) the cichlid, which prey on large mature guppies; and (ii) the killfish, which prey on small immature guppies, Spetner continues:

Reznick and his team took 200 guppies from the Aripo [river in Trinidad] and put them in a tributary of the river that is home to the killfish but has no cichlids and had no guppies. Changes soon appeared in the newly introduced guppies. The fish population soon changed to what would normally be found in the presence of the killfish, and Reznick found the changes to be heritable.

The full change in the guppy population was observed as soon as the first samples were drawn, which was after only two years. One trait studied, the age of males at maturity, achieved its terminal value in only four years. The evolutionary rate calculated from this observation is some ten million times the rate of evolution induced from observations of the fossil record [Reznick et al. 1997].

Reznick interpreted these changes as the result of natural selection acting on variation already in the population. Could natural selection have acted so fast as to change the entire population in only two years?

Spetner goes on to argue that the adaptive change observed in the guppies is more likely the result of a programmed response to environmental change, and provides several examples of such changes in other species.

Where is the Darwinian Evolution?

Darwinian evolution, as we know, is supposed to work by natural selection weeding out random variation. The Neo-Darwinian model has traditionally gone a step further, suggesting that those random variations are genetic in nature — taking place in the DNA as a copying error here, a misplaced sequence there, an accidental cut-and-paste elsewhere . . .

So the question arises: do the kinds of rapid, adaptive, reversible changes Reznick observed owe their existence to this kind of Darwinian process, or are they the result of a pre-programmed genetic response to environmental changes?

Spetner makes a good argument that we are observing the latter. He goes on to show that even many of the classical examples of Darwinian evolution — you know, the examples of random mutation + natural selection that even most evolutionary skeptics have tended to accept: convergent “evolution” of plants in similar environments, the “evolution” of bacteria to live on lactose or salicin — are not good examples of Darwinian evolution at all. Even that icon of icons, finch beaks in the Galapagos, is likely not a good example of the alleged Neo-Darwinian mechanism of random mutation + natural selection.

All of this prompts me to ask a simple, but pointed, question:

How many good examples are there of Darwinian evolution?

The more research I do the more I come to the same conclusion Spetner did, namely that most adaptive changes are not the result of the random, purposeless changes Darwinian evolution posits as the engine of biological novelty.

Even skeptics of the grand evolutionary claims tend to accept, either specifically or implicitly, that Darwinian evolution can produce all kinds of minor adaptive changes, the so-called microevolutionary changes: variations in finch beaks, insect resistance to insecticides, coloration of peppered moths, and so on. And indeed, the “selection” side of the formula seems to work well, which is simply the somewhat pedestrian observation that if an organism is poorly adapted to its environment it has a poor chance of surviving.

Yet the engine of the novelty, the alleged random variation that is supposed to provide all this adaptive variability on which selection can work its magic, seems stubbornly absent. Even these most common of examples, on closer inspection, do not support the Darwinian claim. Thus the doubts multiply. If Darwinian evolution cannot even claim explanatory credit for things like bacteria being able to metabolize lactose, what can it explain? The more closely we look, the more anemic the Darwinian claim becomes.

Now we could be intellectually lazy and call every adaptive change we observe an example of “evolution.” But the problem with observing a change and claiming that we have observed “evolution” is that (i) we rob the word of explanatory value if it is applied indiscriminately, and (ii) we trick ourselves into thinking we have an explanation for what occurred, when in fact we have have no idea what is happening at the molecular level or the organismal level to produce the change. Claiming that we are witnessing “evolution” in such circumstances becomes then not so much an explanation as a confession of ignorance.

Real Darwinian Evolution

There are no doubt quite a number of legitimate, confirmed examples of random mutation + natural selection producing an important biological effect. For example, I think Behe’s review of malaria/sickle cell trait is a legitimate example of Darwinian evolution in action. And the circumstances of that example are rather telling: (a) large population size, (b) meaningful amount of time, (c) very strong selection pressure, (d) and change that can be caused by one or two single-point mutations.

If we see adaptive change outside of these parameters — small population, short timeframe, an adaptation that requires significant genetic change — we might be better served to suspect that we are witnessing a programmed adaptive response, rather than Darwinian evolution. And rather than being naively impressed with the great power of Darwinian evolution to act more rapidly than anticipated, we should be prompted to look deeper to find what is actually taking place.

Your Turn

In addition to the malaria/sickle cell example, what other examples of legitimate, confirmed Darwinian evolution can you think of?

Comments
Phinehas: As does artificial selection Sure. Artificial selection was discussed by Darwin to show the range of available variation over time. However, artificial selection doesn't explain the observed results with guppies or finches not under artificial selection. Phinehas: Natural selection doesn’t really involve any selection Darwin coined the term based on a parallel with artificial selection, but it's an inexact phrase. Natural selection refers to differential reproductive success due heritable traits.Zachriel
October 15, 2015
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Here's the thing, Z: Natural selection doesn't really involve any selection, so you're just left with "natural." Naturally, stuff happens. Naturally, stuff dies. Naturally, things change. ObeeKaybee.Phinehas
October 15, 2015
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Z:
Natural selection concerns differences in reproductive success.
As does artificial selection, which has the remarkable advantage of actually involving selection.
Organisms may or may not be reproductively successful for a variety of reasons, not all of them representing natural selection.
Sure. There could be actual selection involved, making it artificial instead of natural.
It’s when heritable traits result in differential reproductive potential that we have natural selection.
Or artificial selection, which has the remarkable advantage of actually involving selection. I get the feeling I'm missing the point somehow.Phinehas
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Phinehas: Stuff not dying is connected to the stuff that didn’t die and the stuff that happens around it. Got it. Natural selection concerns differences in reproductive success. Organisms may or may not be reproductively successful for a variety of reasons, not all of them representing natural selection. It's when heritable traits result in differential reproductive potential that we have natural selection.Zachriel
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Z:
Fitness is specific to the characteristics of the organism and the environment.
Stuff not dying is connected to the stuff that didn't die and the stuff that happens around it. Got it.
An organism may be perfectly viable, but leave fewer offspring on average due to differences in traits.
Stuff that didn't die may not have died, but might leave behind fewer things that die or don't die due to differences in them either being killed or not killed by the stuff that happens. Okay, I think I am tracking so far.
When we connect the differences in traits to differences in reproductive success, then that is called natural selection.
When we connect the differences in things that did or didn't die either by being killed or not killed by the stuff that happens to the difference in how many died or didn't die, we like to use an anthropomorphized term implying intelligent involvement prepended with an adjective that denies intelligent involvement to refer to the fact that stuff dies. Aaaaall righty then.
The result is a change in the mixture of traits that make up the population, and that is called adaptive evolution.
The result is that stuff changes in the differences in things that did or didn't die either by being killed or not killed by the stuff that does or doesn't happen, and that is called adaptive evolution, allowing someone like Dawkins to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist. Oooookay.Phinehas
October 15, 2015
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Phinehas: We keep asking for someone to point us to the “theory of evolution.” You could start with Darwin's Origin of Species, but it is a bit dated. http://darwin-online.org.uk/Francis_Darwins_Origin_of_species_1859.html You could check out an encyclopedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution Or you could take a class at your local university. http://evolution-textbook.org/Zachriel
October 15, 2015
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We keep asking for someone to point us to the "theory of evolution." No one seems to be able to do that. So, I propose the following, provisionally of course.
The Theory of Evolution: Stuff happens. Stuff dies. More stuff happens. More stuff dies. Voila! The human brain.
It is the above that allows someone like Dawkins to attain intellectual fulfillment. Mix in a little "God doesn't exist" and you might be able to stretch that into intellectual superiority.Phinehas
October 15, 2015
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Phinehas: Unfit stuff dies because it is unfit. Fitness is specific to the characteristics of the organism and the environment. An organism may be perfectly viable, but leave fewer offspring on average due to differences in traits. When we connect the differences in traits to differences in reproductive success, then that is called natural selection. The result is a change in the mixture of traits that make up the population, and that is called adaptive evolution.Zachriel
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Z:
In some cases, we can determine the cause involved.
The cause of what? Unfit stuff dies because it is unfit. Stuff is unfit because it dies. Stuff dies. Stuff happens. What a remarkable theory!Phinehas
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Zachriel: Crick proposed, on evolutionary principles, that RNA formed the core of protein synthesis. This has since been confirmed. EugeneS: Nothing of the sort! That is incorrect. See Nissen et al., The structural basis of ribosome activity in peptide bond synthesis, Science 2000: "we establish that the ribosome is a ribozyme and address the catalytic properties of its all-RNA active site." EugeneS: The more research is done, the more clear it becomes that the RNA-world hypothesis is bluff. It apparently led to a successful prediction regarding protein synthesis, tending to confirm the hypothesis. While the hypothesis may not be correct, it is hardly a "bluff". EugeneS: RNAs that are of any use even potentially are chemically unstable and require intelligent control in order to stay around. They probably do require segregation, but simple lipid bilayers can form membranes. EugeneS: Until such time as evolutionists face the challenge of explaining in detail how this could have formed without planning and foresight, no hand-waving about mammalian middle ears will be taken seriously. While no one knows how translation originally arose, the argument from irreducibility is not a valid argument. EugeneS: The major challenge still remains: how can symbolic representation come about in a system that is produced merely as a result of physical interactions? Sure it's a challenge, but there's no a priori reason it couldn't have evolved from a simpler relationship. Only an investigation of specifics can answer that question. EugeneS: The RNA-world hypothesis raises more questions than purports to resolve. That's the sign of a good hypothesis; it leads to all sorts of new investigations. This is contrary to ID, which is scientifically sterile. EugeneS: That in itself is right. Okay. The points raised above address your larger point. Successful predictions tend to confirm, but do not prove a hypothesis. Phinehas: And how do we know it is well-adapted? In some cases, we can determine the cause involved. With guppies, it has been shown that coloration depends on predation.Zachriel
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Phinehas #217, LOL!Box
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WD400: Darwinian evolution is selection acting on heritable variants.
Artificial selection is selection acting on heritable variants. Is artificial selection Darwinian?
WD400: but that differential survival of heritable variants can lead to substantially phenotypic change in a population, making it well-adapted to its environment.
And how do we know it is well-adapted? Because unfit stuff dies. What have you said above that isn't simply unfit stuff dies and fit stuff doesn't, where "unfit" and "fit" mean nothing other than that it did or didn't die? Stuff dies. Stuff happens. I feel so intellectually fulfilled now.Phinehas
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Andre @214, You do have a point.Mapou
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Zachriel, "“Crick proposed, on evolutionary principles, that RNA formed the core of protein synthesis. This has since been confirmed.” Sorry, I did not properly read this sentence. My fault. That in itself is right. However, that does not mean the RNA-world hypothesis has been confirmed, which is how I read your sentence the first time. All the other things I mentioned in 212 remain relevant to the discussion.EugeneS
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Mapou I think it's good that they post here onlookers can see what they say stuff like natural selection makes choices, is sensitive and is directed. Lay it open for all the world to see their utter stupidity. I personally encourage it. Sure when they blatantly lie it's unpleasant bit it is just another viewing of their character for all to see.Andre
October 15, 2015
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Why does UD give jackasses like Zachriel a free pulpit to spread their virulent disease? The jackasses already conquered the schools and the media. They are like some nasty avian flu or something. Why help them at all? Ban them all. That's what I would do.Mapou
October 15, 2015
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Zachriel, "Crick proposed, on evolutionary principles, that RNA formed the core of protein synthesis. This has since been confirmed." Nothing of the sort! The more research is done, the more clear it becomes that the RNA-world hypothesis is bluff. It just begs the question of what is necessary for life to kick-start. RNAs that are of any use even potentially are chemically unstable and require intelligent control in order to stay around. RNA translation in living organisms absolutely requires adapters that determine what the effect of translation should be. Until such time as evolutionists face the challenge of explaining in detail how this could have formed without planning and foresight, no hand-waving about mammalian middle ears will be taken seriously. The major challenge still remains: how can symbolic representation come about in a system that is produced merely as a result of physical interactions? Symbolic representations cannot be reduced to the motion of the particles of matter but are a special type of constraint on the motion of the particles of matter. Why is it that things you say are in stark contrast with reality? Do you even understand that this is the case? Mindless processes never could and will never be able to explain intelligence. Attempts to make believe they can are ideologically motivated. The RNA-world hypothesis raises more questions than purports to resolve. It is actually more complex to have a single structure providing metabolic function while serving as a memory. Do you understand that for replicating a heterogeneous system there must be provided a description of the system and stored in memory? This brings the issue of being able to write/read and interpret a symbolic representation from memory and execute instructions in the process of replication. Replication of the heterogeneous cell is not the same as replication of a crystal. Evolutionism cannot even get anywhere close to facing the challenge. This is because it fails to acknowledge the simple undeniable truth: life as a programmatically controlled prescription-based functional whole can only be explained in terms of decision making, control, planning and foresight.EugeneS
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By the way, has anybody ever figured out who the hell that anonymous jackass who calls himself Zachriel really is? Everybody knows who I am. A click on Mapou above takes you to my blog.Mapou
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Mapou: Whether or not the fitness function is random (a stupid idea since it is not random by definition) is irrelevant since it does not conduct the search. The fitness function is an abstraction, and represents the relationship of the hereditary reproductive potential of the organism to the environment. We provided a simple counterexample to your claim. Box: So you are telling me that blue is unfit and orange isn’t. You asked a question. How is that different from “unfit creatures die”, as in: the blue ones die en the orange ones don’t? The difference is the causal link between the hereditary characteristics of the organism and its reproductive potential in a given environment. Box: Nope, “red barns are red” and “what survives survives” are tautologies. Yes, those are tautologies, and neither depend on anything outside the statements themselves.Zachriel
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wd400:
but that differential survival of heritable variants can lead to substantially phenotypic change in a population, making it well-adapted to its environment.
And yet whatever is good enough gets to survive and reproduce. In a changing environment that is the best you can hope for.Virgil Cain
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Zachriel:
Variation is random with respect to fitness,...
Actually the word "random" with respect to mutations means they are accidents, errors and mistakes.
but natural selection is not random.
Natural selection is only non-random in the sense that not all individuals have the same probability of being eliminated (Mayr, "What Evolution Is"). In that sense mutations are non-random as some loci have a higher mutation rate than others. Natural selection is non-random in a very trivial way.Virgil Cain
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Z: You asked a question, How is that different from “unfit creatures die”, as in: the blue ones die en the orange ones don’t? The difference is a showing of causation. It’s not merely that the hereditarily blue ones died and the hereditarily orange ones lived, but that the blue ones died because they were blue, and the orange ones lived because they were orange.
So you are telling me that blue is unfit and orange isn’t. A question for you: what led you to believe that I, or anyone else, didn’t get that already?
Z: If the truth of the statement “depends”, then it’s not a tautology, by definition.
Nope, “red barns are red” and “what survives survives” are tautologies.Box
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You're pissing me off, Zachriel. I'm out of this discussion. I got better things to do. May you throw a clot or something, jackass.Mapou
October 15, 2015
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So natural selection is sensitive and it's directed and it can decide? Wow this is special stupid.Andre
October 15, 2015
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All Darwinists are traitors to their own species. It's one thing to lie to your neighbor but it's another to lie to the whole world. Jackasses, all of them.Mapou
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Zachriel:
Mapou: RM+NS is not random? That is news to me. Variation is random with respect to fitness, but natural selection is not random.
Whether or not the fitness function is random (a stupid idea since it is not random by definition) is irrelevant since it does not conduct the search. Random mutations, by contrast, are random by definition. They cannot possibly search through the combinatorial explosion unless your name is Zachriel, the liar for Darwin. All Darwinists are pathetic gutless liars. You should all be tarred and feathered and paraded down the street as an example for the other liars in the scientific community.Mapou
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Mapou: It could be as simple as bases ^ number of bases since this alone kills Darwinian evolution. A trivially simple counterexample is a Mount Fiji landscape. https://uncommondescent.com/evolution/real-time-evolution-happening-under-our-nose/#comment-583265Zachriel
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Mapou: RM+NS is not random? That is news to me. Variation is random with respect to fitness, but natural selection is not random.Zachriel
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Zachriel:
Evolution isn’t random, and its trajectory depends on the landscape.
RM+NS is not random? That is news to me. The "landscape" is just another deception you are inserting into the discussion. It's obviously bullshit. Random mutations must work randomly on all bases. Otherwise, it's intelligent design which calls for non-random processes.Mapou
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Box: What the *hell* are you trying to tell me?? You asked a question, How is that different from “unfit creatures die”, as in: the blue ones die en the orange ones don’t? The difference is a showing of causation. It's not merely that the hereditarily blue ones died and the hereditarily orange ones lived, but that the blue ones died because they were blue, and the orange ones lived because they were orange. Box: Many tautological statements depend on observed facts, one example is “red is red” and here is another “what survives survives”. If the truth of the statement "depends", then it's not a tautology, by definition.Zachriel
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