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A couple of weeks ago a friend forwarded me a link to this recent article about “ongoing research to record the interaction of environment and evolution” by University of California, Riverside biologist David Reznick. Reznick’s team has been studying adaptive changes in guppies. Reznick’s work focuses on tracking what happens in real-world situations in the wild, rather than the somewhat artificial environments in the lab. As a result, Reznick has gathered some of the more trustworthy and definitive data about changes over time in a real-world environment, largely free from the intervention and interference of the coated lab worker.

The article states:

The new work is part of research that Reznick has been doing since 1978. It involved transplanting guppies from a river with a diverse community of predators into a river with no predators – except for one other fish species, an occasional predator – to record how the guppies would evolve and how they might impact their environment.

In the recent follow-up research, Reznick’s team studied “how male color pattern affected” their differential survival in the environment. Significantly, the team even gathered DNA from the guppies over time to track who their parents were and reconstruct a guppie pedigree to help determine the reproductive success. Without going into all the details, which are interesting in their own right, the key point for my purposes today is that this adaptive change occurred extremely quickly.

Graduate student, Swanne Gordon, noted,

Our research shows that these fish adapted to their new habitats in less than one year, or three to four generations, which is even faster than we previously thought.

Reznick adds,

People think of evolution as historical. They don’t think of it as something that’s happening under our nose. It is a contemporary process. People are skeptical; they don’t believe in evolution because they can’t see it. Here, we see it. We can see if something makes you better able to make babies and live longer.

What Really Happened?

Now normally when my friend forwards a link, I will just review the article, realize it is making claims beyond the data, and move on. But coincidentally, just days earlier I had been reading Chapter 7 of Lee Spetner’s 1998 book, Not by Chance!

Part of Spetner’s argument is that many adaptive changes we see in nature are in fact not examples of a Darwinian process of chance changes + natural selection, but instead the result of specific programming capabilities in the organism to allow it to respond to changes in the environment. Indeed, what caught my eye about the article my friend forwarded is that Spetner had discussed Reznick’s earlier experiments in that very context.

After describing two different predators of the guppies: (i) the cichlid, which prey on large mature guppies; and (ii) the killfish, which prey on small immature guppies, Spetner continues:

Reznick and his team took 200 guppies from the Aripo [river in Trinidad] and put them in a tributary of the river that is home to the killfish but has no cichlids and had no guppies. Changes soon appeared in the newly introduced guppies. The fish population soon changed to what would normally be found in the presence of the killfish, and Reznick found the changes to be heritable.

The full change in the guppy population was observed as soon as the first samples were drawn, which was after only two years. One trait studied, the age of males at maturity, achieved its terminal value in only four years. The evolutionary rate calculated from this observation is some ten million times the rate of evolution induced from observations of the fossil record [Reznick et al. 1997].

Reznick interpreted these changes as the result of natural selection acting on variation already in the population. Could natural selection have acted so fast as to change the entire population in only two years?

Spetner goes on to argue that the adaptive change observed in the guppies is more likely the result of a programmed response to environmental change, and provides several examples of such changes in other species.

Where is the Darwinian Evolution?

Darwinian evolution, as we know, is supposed to work by natural selection weeding out random variation. The Neo-Darwinian model has traditionally gone a step further, suggesting that those random variations are genetic in nature — taking place in the DNA as a copying error here, a misplaced sequence there, an accidental cut-and-paste elsewhere . . .

So the question arises: do the kinds of rapid, adaptive, reversible changes Reznick observed owe their existence to this kind of Darwinian process, or are they the result of a pre-programmed genetic response to environmental changes?

Spetner makes a good argument that we are observing the latter. He goes on to show that even many of the classical examples of Darwinian evolution — you know, the examples of random mutation + natural selection that even most evolutionary skeptics have tended to accept: convergent “evolution” of plants in similar environments, the “evolution” of bacteria to live on lactose or salicin — are not good examples of Darwinian evolution at all. Even that icon of icons, finch beaks in the Galapagos, is likely not a good example of the alleged Neo-Darwinian mechanism of random mutation + natural selection.

All of this prompts me to ask a simple, but pointed, question:

How many good examples are there of Darwinian evolution?

The more research I do the more I come to the same conclusion Spetner did, namely that most adaptive changes are not the result of the random, purposeless changes Darwinian evolution posits as the engine of biological novelty.

Even skeptics of the grand evolutionary claims tend to accept, either specifically or implicitly, that Darwinian evolution can produce all kinds of minor adaptive changes, the so-called microevolutionary changes: variations in finch beaks, insect resistance to insecticides, coloration of peppered moths, and so on. And indeed, the “selection” side of the formula seems to work well, which is simply the somewhat pedestrian observation that if an organism is poorly adapted to its environment it has a poor chance of surviving.

Yet the engine of the novelty, the alleged random variation that is supposed to provide all this adaptive variability on which selection can work its magic, seems stubbornly absent. Even these most common of examples, on closer inspection, do not support the Darwinian claim. Thus the doubts multiply. If Darwinian evolution cannot even claim explanatory credit for things like bacteria being able to metabolize lactose, what can it explain? The more closely we look, the more anemic the Darwinian claim becomes.

Now we could be intellectually lazy and call every adaptive change we observe an example of “evolution.” But the problem with observing a change and claiming that we have observed “evolution” is that (i) we rob the word of explanatory value if it is applied indiscriminately, and (ii) we trick ourselves into thinking we have an explanation for what occurred, when in fact we have have no idea what is happening at the molecular level or the organismal level to produce the change. Claiming that we are witnessing “evolution” in such circumstances becomes then not so much an explanation as a confession of ignorance.

Real Darwinian Evolution

There are no doubt quite a number of legitimate, confirmed examples of random mutation + natural selection producing an important biological effect. For example, I think Behe’s review of malaria/sickle cell trait is a legitimate example of Darwinian evolution in action. And the circumstances of that example are rather telling: (a) large population size, (b) meaningful amount of time, (c) very strong selection pressure, (d) and change that can be caused by one or two single-point mutations.

If we see adaptive change outside of these parameters — small population, short timeframe, an adaptation that requires significant genetic change — we might be better served to suspect that we are witnessing a programmed adaptive response, rather than Darwinian evolution. And rather than being naively impressed with the great power of Darwinian evolution to act more rapidly than anticipated, we should be prompted to look deeper to find what is actually taking place.

Your Turn

In addition to the malaria/sickle cell example, what other examples of legitimate, confirmed Darwinian evolution can you think of?

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Zachriel:
Mapou: refute my simple claim that the combinatorial explosion (CE) fully falsifies Darwinian evolution. No stochastic search mechanism (e.g., RM+NS) has a prayer against the mighty hammer of CE. Please be specific. How do you calculate the number of combinations? Do you mean bases ^ number of bases? If so, then it obviously depends on the landscape.
No it does not and it never does. It's only about whether or not the search is random. It could be as simple as bases ^ number of bases since this alone kills Darwinian evolution. But it's worse than that, much worse. Evolution has no way of knowing how many bases needs to be searched. Heck, it has no idea what it is searching for. The search space of evolution is infinite. Evolution is dead.Mapou
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Z: The hereditarily blue ones tend to leave fewer progeny *because* they are blue, and the hereditarily orange ones tend to leave more progeny *because* they are orange.
What the *hell* are you trying to tell me??
Z: The claim isn’t tautological because it depends on the observed facts.
Idiotic argument. Many tautological statements depend on observed facts, one example is "red barns are red" and here is another "what survives survives".Box
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Box: How is that different from “unfit creatures die”, as in: the blue ones die en the orange ones don’t? The hereditarily blue ones tend to leave fewer progeny *because* they are blue, and the hereditarily orange ones tend to leave more progeny *because* they are orange. In other words, it's not random happenstance, but a *result* of the environmental conditions and their hereditary character. The claim isn't tautological because it depends on the observed facts.Zachriel
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Mapou: If it’s not random, then it is not Darwinian evolution. Evolution isn't random, and its trajectory depends on the landscape. Consider a crawler on a simple two-dimensional landscape. It moves in a random direction. If the direction is down, then it stays where it is. If the direction is up, then it moves to the new location. If the direction is level ground, then it splits, so now there are two crawlers. It's a very simple model, but shows why it depends on the landscape. A trivially simple counterexample to the "combinatorial explosion" is a Mount Fiji landscape.Zachriel
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Zachriel is a lying psychopath. Why is the jackass even allowed on this board?Mapou
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WD400: I really don’t think it can be explained more simply Box. So I guess we are done.
There is nothing left to explain WD400. Your position is an empty shell.Box
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Liar for Darwin, Zachriel:
Mapou: The limitations of computers are irrelevant to the fact that the combinatorial explosion fully falsifies Darwinian evolution. Nope. It depends on the structure of the landscape.
That is a lie. It depends on no structure whatsoever. Either the search is random or it is not. If it is random, the CE kills it. If it's not random, then it is not Darwinian evolution.Mapou
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Mapou: refute my simple claim that the combinatorial explosion (CE) fully falsifies Darwinian evolution. No stochastic search mechanism (e.g., RM+NS) has a prayer against the mighty hammer of CE. Please be specific. How do you calculate the number of combinations? Do you mean bases ^ number of bases? If so, then it obviously depends on the landscape.Zachriel
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I really don't think it can be explained more simply Box. So I guess we are done.wd400
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Let me see Zachriel, wd400 and the other Darwinist liars on this discussion board refute my simple claim that the combinatorial explosion (CE) fully falsifies Darwinian evolution. No stochastic search mechanism (e.g., RM+NS) has a prayer against the mighty hammer of CE. It kills them dead before they are even born.Mapou
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Mapou: The limitations of computers are irrelevant to the fact that the combinatorial explosion fully falsifies Darwinian evolution. Nope. It depends on the structure of the landscape.Zachriel
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WD400: My “claim” is not simply that unfit creatures die, but that differential survival of heritable variants can lead to substantially phenotypic change in a population, making it well-adapted to its environment.
How is that different from "unfit creatures die", as in: the blue ones die en the orange ones don't? So, for the last time: 'is there something else going on or not?'Box
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Liar for Darwin, Zachriel:
Mapou: The question was whether the so-called computational resources of nature make a difference in the face of the dreaded combinatorial explosion. And the evidence was based on limitations of modern computational methods applied to various non-biological problems.
The limitations of computers are irrelevant to the fact that the combinatorial explosion fully falsifies Darwinian evolution. It's dead, Jim. LOL.Mapou
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Mapou: The question was whether the so-called computational resources of nature make a difference in the face of the dreaded combinatorial explosion. And the evidence was based on limitations of modern computational methods applied to various non-biological problems. Box: So, I was right, all you claim is the tautological “unfit organisms die”. All organisms die. Some leave many or fewer descendants. A heritable trait that provides a reproductive advantage results in natural selection. The definition is a tautology, as are all definitions. That coloration in a guppy can provide a reproductive advantage in a given environment, that is, the link of causation between color and reproductive success, is not tautological, but empirical.Zachriel
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Box, I'm fast beginning to think you are an idiot. Is it really that hard to read a plain sentence? My "claim" is not simply that unfit creatures die, but that differential survival of heritable variants can lead to substantially phenotypic change in a population, making it well-adapted to its environment.wd400
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EugeneS: Irreducible structures are called irreducible because they cannot be reduced to physicalistic causation. They're called irreducible because they are not able to be reduced, that is, "the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning." EugeneS: This is so because in practice they invariably require insight, foresight and decision making. Actually, there are plausible pathways to irreducibility. We offered to discuss one, the mammalian middle ear. EugeneS: For evolution to even start you need an irreducible structure requiring a symbolic representation. No, you just need replication, which can be as simple as a replicating molecule. See Robertson & Joyce, Highly Efficient Self-Replicating RNA Enzymes, Chemistry & Biology 2014. EugeneS: And that capability is evidenced by? Crick proposed, on evolutionary principles, that RNA formed the core of protein synthesis. This has since been confirmed. RNA can act as messenger and enzyme, including their own replication. RNA can also coopt peptides to enlarge their enzymatic capabilities, and as chaperones to aid in binding and stabilization. This provides a simple start to protein synthesis.Zachriel
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WD400,
Box: Okay, so you claim that something else is going on.
WD400: Nope. Why would you think this result required anything other than natural selection?
Great. So, I was right, all you claim is the tautological "unfit organisms die".Box
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Zachriel:
The question was whether a computer could represent the computational resources of nature. The answer, then, is no.
That is a lie. The question was whether the so-called computational resources of nature make a difference in the face of the dreaded combinatorial explosion. They don't. Again, get some education.Mapou
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Guppies with a certain coloring, that were already in the population - were not eaten. They survived and flourished. All the other colors were eaten. This is extermination. Guppy genocide. Oh heck, let's call it Natural Selection lol.ppolish
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Box, Okay, so you claim that something else is going on Nope. Why would you think this result required anything other than natural selection? You have picked up that these are heritable changes? And the experiment ran over successive generations?wd400
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Zachriel, Irreducible structures can evolve That is a side issue. Irreducible structures are called irreducible because they cannot be reduced to physicalistic causation. This is so because in practice they invariably require insight, foresight and decision making. I repeat. For evolution to even start you need an irreducible structure requiring a symbolic representation. “Symbolic representations” can evolve from simpler relationships. And that capability is evidenced by?EugeneS
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Zachriel:
Nonetheless, it shows that functional proteins are rather dense in protein space.
Small proteins that undirected evolution cannot account for, maybe. I should stop picking on poor Zachriel. It's a "taking candy from a baby" sort of thing. Besides Zachriel is incapable of learning.Virgil Cain
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Of related note:
African cichlid fish: a model system in adaptive radiation research: "The African cichlid fish radiations are the most diverse extant animal radiations and provide a unique system to test predictions of speciation and adaptive radiation theory(of evolution).----(surprising implication of the study?)---- the propensity to radiate was significantly higher in lineages whose precursors emerged from more ancient adaptive radiations than in other lineages" http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=16846905 Multiple Genes Permit Closely Related Fish Species To Mix And Match Their Color Vision - Oct. 2005 Excerpt: In the new work, the researchers performed physiological and molecular genetic analyses of color vision in cichlid fish from Lake Malawi and demonstrated that differences in color vision between closely related species arise from individual species’ using different subsets of distinct visual pigments. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051011072648.htm Is the outcome of evolution predictable? - Oct 28, 2014 Excerpt: There are only very few circumstances in which one can investigate the repeatability of evolution, because spatially independent environments that are populated by the same species are extremely rare in nature. "The young and completely isolated crater lakes along the Central American Volcanic Arc in Nicaragua provide an ideal setting to study parallel evolution. Several crater lakes house populations of Midas cichlid fish that have developed independently from the ancestral population in the nearby great lakes of Nicaragua. This setting is like a natural experiment", explains Axel Meyer. In two of these crater lakes, Apoyo and Xiloá, new types of Midas cichlids evolved, independently from each other, in less than 10,000 years. These new species show identical morphological adaptations that are not found in the ancestral population: from the shallow, murky water to the new habitat of the deep, clear water of the crater lakes. "In each of the two crater lakes new species of the Midas cichlid evolved with an elongated body – a phenotype that does not exist in ancestral lakes from which the colonisers of crater lakes came from", explains Meyer,,, "Our study shows that complex parallel phenotypes in similar environments can evolve very rapidly, repeatedly and yet via different evolutionary routes. This is a microevolutionary example of rewinding Gould's tape and resulting in the evolution of two very similar species, albeit by non-parallel evolutionary routes", sums up Axel Meyer. http://phys.org/news/2014-10-outcome-evolution.html
Dr. Arthur Jones, who did his Ph.D. thesis in biology on cichlids, (fish), comments
"For all the diversity of species, I found the cichlids to be an unmistakably natural group, a created kind. The more I worked with these fish the clearer my recognition of “cichlidness” became and the more distinct they seemed from all the “similar” fishes I studied. Conversations at conferences and literature searches confirmed that this was the common experience of experts in every area of systematic biology. Distinct kinds really are there and the experts know it to be so. – On a wider canvas, fossils provided no comfort to evolutionists. All fish, living and fossil, belong to distinct kinds; “links” are decidedly missing." Dr. Arthur Jones - did his Ph.D. thesis in biology on cichlids - Fish, Fossils and Evolution - Cichlids at 29:00 minute mark (many examples of repeated morphology in cichlids) - video http://edinburghcreationgroup.org/video/14
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Zachriel:
Irreducible structures can evolve. The mammalian middle ear is a canonical example.
Except the mammalian middle ear A) does not fit the definition of irreducible complexity and B) did not evolve from a simpler system.
“Symbolic representations” can evolve from simpler relationships.
Of course there isn't any evidence for such a thing.Virgil Cain
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WD400: I really can’t see how it could be any plainer — selection in this case (any many others) lead to a substantial change in phenotype.
So, the average phenotype of the fish population changed, because unfit creatures die?
WD400: As I said, it is unlikely any fish the ancestral populations had as much colouration in the evolved populations. So it’s not just “unfit creatures die”, as you claimed in in you translation.
Okay, so you claim that something else is going on. What exactly? And how do you explain it? Stop building up the suspense.Box
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Zach, your pathetic excuse making for the gross empirical shortcomings of neo-Darwinian claims reminds me of a little boy denying that he ate the chocolate cake all while he has the chocolate icing all over his face and mouth. If only a good spanking would cure you of your blatant, over the top, dishonesty as it would the child.bornagain
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EugeneS: one of the capabilities of intelligence is to use shortcuts. And because of the limitations of computation, many complex spaces can't be explored without help. The inability to completely simulate evolutionary dynamics with a computer doesn't imply that evolution doesn't work. Generally, computer simulations can only replicate simplified models of biological evolution, but this still allows the exploration of simple cases. EugeneS: In order for evolution to even start, there must be an already functioning heterogeneous cell. For evolution to occur, there has to be replication. This probably does entail a cell membrane of sorts to provide segregation, but it may not require the vast complexity of modern cells. EugeneS: The {data+processor} complex that is key to life, is irreducible. Irreducible structures can evolve. The mammalian middle ear is a canonical example. EugeneS: How can a naturally produced system use symbolic representations? "Symbolic representations" can evolve from simpler relationships.Zachriel
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Box, I really can't see how it could be any plainer -- selection in this case (any many others) lead to a substantial change in phenotype. As I said, it is unlikely any fish the ancestral populations had as much colouration in the evolved populations. So it's not just "unfit creatures die", as you claimed in in you translation.wd400
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Zachriel, Yes, one of the capabilities of intelligence is to use shortcuts. I'd like to have a look at the paper but I don't have access to full text. Without seeing the full text it is difficult to make a judgement. I suspect the authors make some assumptions that make life easy as it were. Many Thanks, anyway. However, I repeat from my previous comment. In order for evolution to even start, there must be an already functioning heterogeneous cell. The {data+processor} complex that is key to life, is irreducible. It is absolutely causally dependent on intelligence making decisions in the context of planning with foresight. How can a naturally produced system use symbolic representations?EugeneS
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bornagain: actually the ATP binding protein is regarded as a ‘man-made’ protein that was evolved independent of nature. Nonetheless, it shows that functional proteins are rather dense in protein space. bornagain: “First, Keefe and Szostak is not relevant as they were not seeking functional proteins, but merely mild ATP binding." ATP is the function. bornagain: Of related note, it is good to realize just how big 10^12 (a trillion) actually is Yes, it's about one trillionth of a mole. bornagain: Moreover, it is found that Szostak’s 1 in a trillion man-made protein, (i.e. ATP binding), is disruptive when expressed in a cell Which demonstrates that it exhibits ATP binding in a living cell.Zachriel
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